I Smell Bullshit Overunity

[Brumby]

"The JouleBox® is a hybrid electricity generator developed by EcoGen Energy that produce clean energy 24/7/365"

Er .. shouldn't that be "24/365" or "24/7/52" or something?

(or "24/365.2425" or "24/7/52.1775")

Flash web site.

"24/7/365" is not incorrect, at least in the US that is a commonly used term meaning 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.

Doesn't make the product any less BS but that particular statement is fine.

Being "common" doesn't make it fine!

It's acceptable American English. I'm not going to push to make the rest of the world add it to official dictionaries but I don't personally take issue with it. There are any number of colloquial terms and slang in almost any language which probably sound odd to non-native speakers.

It is clearly understood in Australia as well.  Those who want to make an "issue" out of it are few and far between - and they pretty much get ignored.

The meaning is clear.  The pedantry is pointless.

[Cyberdragon]

What? I have achieved free energy once!
I tapped my neighbours pressurized air line with a long drill and a special adaptor through the wall and then I replaced all light fixtures with those from mines, which contain a little dynamo run by pressurized air!
And voila: free energy! But the whrrrrr-ing noise drove me nearly crazy and the neighbouring company went out of business. There I sat in the dark until I got a rental compressor.

What? There's such a thing as air powered lamps? Now you make me want to get some to play around with.

[mikeselectricstuff]

What? I have achieved free energy once!
I tapped my neighbours pressurized air line with a long drill and a special adaptor through the wall and then I replaced all light fixtures with those from mines, which contain a little dynamo run by pressurized air!
And voila: free energy! But the whrrrrr-ing noise drove me nearly crazy and the neighbouring company went out of business. There I sat in the dark until I got a rental compressor.

What? There's such a thing as air powered lamps? Now you make me want to get some to play around with.

AvE... Calling AvE....

https://www.wolfsafety.com/temporary-lighting/airlamps/turbolite

Surprisingly still using incandescent lamps, but probably as re-approvals are costly

[Halcyon]

How is it that the US Government haven't shut this crap down already? In Australia, it would be called "misleading" at best and the ACCC and Fair Trading would have a field day.

[james_s]

https://www.wolfsafety.com/temporary-lighting/airlamps/turbolite

Surprisingly still using incandescent lamps, but probably as re-approvals are costly

That is surprising, LED would lend itself well to this application, it's safer in that there is no white hot filament if the lamp does get broken, and there is much less maintenance.

Also surprising is the fact that they manage to get 36lm/W out of an incandescent source by overrunning it to the point that it lasts only 200 hours. I wouldn't have expected the efficiency to rise that high.

[Neomys Sapiens]

Also surprising is the fact that they manage to get 36lm/W out of an incandescent source by overrunning it to the point that it lasts only 200 hours. I wouldn't have expected the efficiency to rise that high.

In this detail, those seem to differ from the ones used in mines. They were rather dim.

[Cyberdragon]

Also surprising is the fact that they manage to get 36lm/W out of an incandescent source by overrunning it to the point that it lasts only 200 hours. I wouldn't have expected the efficiency to rise that high.

In this detail, those seem to differ from the ones used in mines. They were rather dim.

There seems to be three models from varying companies. One looks like a traditional cage lamp, one is a halide or mercury lamp that looks kind of like a safety strobe, and the third is a spot lamp.

It seems Aussie50 did a video on them back in 2010.

[IanMacdonald]

Air powered lamps are what the Greenies get their subsidies for, are they not? 

[Cyberdragon]

No, they're so you don't have to run wiring in a place full of explosive gasses where the tiniest spark could kill everyone. It is odd that they're still incandescent/gas-arc, but it maybe because LEDs could be damaged in those environements?

[beanflying]

Air powered lamps are what the Greenies get their subsidies for, are they not? 

All part of the Power Mix IMO. Where I grew up most of the States Power was produced by Brown Coal, the damage done to the inhabitants let alone the environment is terrible. That Graphic you showed smacks of Oil and Coal industry Propaganda and BS!

We now in this state run a Coal/Gas/Hydro/Wind mix which works fairly well with Gas and Hydro providing the Peak Response generation. Until the storage issue is sorted most alternate sources of energy will be only part of the solution.

20km from me is this http://bps.energy/projects

[Neomys Sapiens]

The one's that I really saw in the 70's were probably installed in the 50's of the last century! So, of course incandescent.

[mikeselectricstuff]

How is it that the US Government haven't shut this crap down already?

They're too busy banning words like "science based"
https://boingboing.net/2017/12/16/party-over-pathogens.html

[lundmar]

Air powered lamps are what the Greenies get their subsidies for, are they not? 

All part of the Power Mix IMO. Where I grew up most of the States Power was produced by Brown Coal, the damage done to the inhabitants let alone the environment is terrible. That Graphic you showed smacks of Oil and Coal industry Propaganda and BS!

We now in this state run a Coal/Gas/Hydro/Wind mix which works fairly well with Gas and Hydro providing the Peak Response generation. Until the storage issue is sorted most alternate sources of energy will be only part of the solution.

20km from me is this http://bps.energy/projects

The cartoon is well... a cartoon. It is also dead wrong.

I wish the world would invest and focus more on renewable energy. In Denmark we are building 9 MW wind turbines. In 2015, 43% of our energy production came from wind energy and on good days we cover 100%. This proves it is simply a matter of innovation and political will to do good for the future environment.

Many countries could learn from our example and follow suit.

[mc172]

AvE... Calling AvE....

https://www.wolfsafety.com/temporary-lighting/airlamps/turbolite

Surprisingly still using incandescent lamps, but probably as re-approvals are costly

What! How the hell is that safe?!

I had a brief go at designing an electric screwdriver for use in explosive environments (namely for use around and on live warheads) before "they" told me that they didn't like the chance of the enamel on the windings of a brushless DC motor flexing and flaking off their enamel. How the hell did they let glowing-hot metallic filaments into the mix? Mad.

I will say though that not all explosive environments are equal. There are classifications. I don't enjoy being in any of them, regardless of classification.

The good news is that it's not rated for Gas Zone 0, and bloody rightly so.

[ludzinc]

We also need grid storage tech developed before renewables become a 100% solution for all.

But that takes time and money. Politicians don’t see votes in that, so they just whack up more turbines.

Btw - I’m from South Australia, we’re we now have the biggest Tesla battery and 500MW of Diesel generator to prop up our poorly managed grid....

[Cyberdragon]

AvE... Calling AvE....

https://www.wolfsafety.com/temporary-lighting/airlamps/turbolite

Surprisingly still using incandescent lamps, but probably as re-approvals are costly

What! How the hell is that safe?!

I had a brief go at designing an electric screwdriver for use in explosive environments (namely for use around and on live warheads) before "they" told me that they didn't like the chance of the enamel on the windings of a brushless DC motor flexing and flaking off their enamel. How the hell did they let glowing-hot metallic filaments into the mix? Mad.

I will say though that not all explosive environments are equal. There are classifications. I don't enjoy being in any of them, regardless of classification.

The good news is that it's not rated for Gas Zone 0, and bloody rightly so.

They're completely sealed, your screwdriver was probably not. Remember, the first safety lamps used an enclosed flame, and from then until now the only electric light was incandescant or gas discharge. They even had sealed arc lamps in the late 19th and early 20th centuries (I don't know if they were safety rated though). The whole point is to not damage safety equipment, IE break the seal, or you void any safety ratings.

[Neomys Sapiens]

They are also safe by being pressurized from the inside by the operating air, so that the potentially combustible atmosphere can not reach the potential source of ignition.

[james_s]

I suspect they're also designed such that the air feeding the turbine comes from the inside of the lamp housing so if the glass were to break the pressure would be dumped and stop the turbine from spinning. Having never seen one up close I can't say for sure, but that's how I would design one.

[mikeselectricstuff]

What! How the hell is that safe?!

It's an explosion-proof enclosure.
Sealed from the environment, and sufficiently strong, and with long paths through the seams, so that if it fills with gas, and that gas ignites, the flame won't get out. Hence the thick glass dome and protective cage round it.
Standard practice for making safe devices where it isn't practical  to use intrinsically safe design.
The coupling between the turbine and generator could either be magnetic, so completely sealed, or via a long, thin flame path that would cool any flame-front to prevent ignition.
Nowadays you could probably make an intrinsically safe LED based one to avoid the need for heavy castings, or have the generator and LED completely encapsulated, though battery-powered LED lamps, or low-voltage ones  may be more practical nowadays.

[TheDane]

There's a lot going on in regards to 'magnetic motors', so don't go van nuts 


Here's an article in Danish in regards to magnetic vortices and optimizing.
https://ing.dk/artikel/nanomagnetisme-skal-forbedre-energilagring-svinghjul-208344

Google does a somewhat job of translating:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=da&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fing.dk%2Fartikel%2Fnanomagnetisme-skal-forbedre-energilagring-svinghjul-208344&edit-text=

[StillTrying]

There's a lot going on in regards to 'magnetic motors', so don't go van nuts 
..
Google does a somewhat job of translating:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=da&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fing.dk%2Fartikel%2Fnanomagnetisme-skal-forbedre-energilagring-svinghjul-208344&edit-text=

Sounds mostly cobblers to me.  https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/cobblers

[TheDane]

I googled 'cobblers' - it seems to be something you eat (mostly).

Danish isn't an easy language to comprehend, speak and talk. Physics and science isn't either.

Try read up on the Stoner criterion, it is electron-electron repulsion, and the magnetic properties of the materials of the system. It is (some of the causes?) what is causing losses in motors/spin wheels over time, as the varying electron magnetic spin properties work against each other = motion/heat, losses. 

The article on ing.dk talks about nano-sized magnets, and the way to order the magnets - in order to minimize losses. Some large companies are working on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoner_criterion

On a different note - it seems the system linked to here does not have an usable output, only input - as I have seen on the simplified schematics page.

And, working light, solar cells aren't over unity and perpetual motion machines. All they do is having their electrons knocked out of orbit when hit by a photon. Oh, and they do break when hit by meteors and other rocks 
Wind power, oh - don't get me started on Tvind.

[Sovereign Wealth]

Ok seriously Dave having reviewed your generally value added work,  I do appreciate the majority of your contributions. My problem is not with you but with Academia that has poisoned your mind. That said, you need to retract your statements around Over Unity and read Moray, Whittaker, Bearden, Courcier just for a start. Honestly you really need to look into this because you are making an ass of yourself and filling these trusting folks heads with BS. 

I'll be back and sincerely hope we can move forward on the same page as I've provided a preponderance of empirical evidence verified by multiple laboratories.   

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18Wqwy8R5oUckHP60l9_JwaEJozga60CCItWYlmMOcTo/edit?usp=sharing 
(YES THIS IS A DIFFERENT DOCUMENT THAN EARLIER SHARED)

DO THE ACTUAL RESEARCH YOURSELF QUESTION AUTHORITY 

[beanflying]

You sir are a TOOL 

[daqq]

Ok seriously Dave having reviewed your generally value added work,  I do appreciate the majority of your contributions. My problem is not with you but with Academia that has poisoned your mind. That said, you need to retract your statements around Over Unity and read Moray, Whittaker, Bearden, Courcier just for a start. Honestly you really need to look into this because you are making an ass of yourself and filling these trusting folks heads with BS. 

I'll be back and sincerely hope we can move forward on the same page as I've provided a preponderance of empirical evidence verified by multiple laboratories.   

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18Wqwy8R5oUckHP60l9_JwaEJozga60CCItWYlmMOcTo/edit?usp=sharing 
(YES THIS IS A DIFFERENT DOCUMENT THAN EARLIER SHARED)

DO THE ACTUAL RESEARCH YOURSELF QUESTION AUTHORITY 

The abundance of smileys, the general language of your post and linked document make you sound extremely reasonable and legit.

I'm pretty sure that if you have a non-bullshit working device and send it to Dave he will review it. It's very easy to convince and engineer that has the appropriate measurement equipment of a truth.