I want to start an online charity will patreon work?

[Beamin]

I want to start a charity for the victims of all the BS that's going on in America right now. I have a domain picked out and have a general idea but was wondering how the money end works? Figured there are people here who live off the internet so I think you guys could help and you would also be kind of donating to the charity by helping me out.

I have two requirements:

I want it to be anonymous; people can use their real names if they like but I don't want to take any credit for it. I feel all charity should be like that but that's just me.

I want people to also be able to make one time donations as well. Patreon doesn't seem like it likes that.

Also I want as much money to go to the charity as possible so fees are to be taken into consideration. I would like it to be accountable so people can see its for real and all the money goes 100% to the people. None of this business like the redcross where they have advertising and other BS expenses like paying the board $47832948923 a year or holding the funds (I'm looking at you again red cross and wondering when Haiti is going to get that hurricane money?)

[Zero999]

Firstly you should start with a specific goal or objective. "The victims of all the BS that's going on in America right now" is pretty loose. What BS? As far as I know, there's lots of it. The lack of proper healthcare for the poor? People being killed by gangs? Innocent, more often than not black, people shot by police?

[Brumby]

Before you start worrying about how to raise funds, I'd be checking the legal requirements for setting up a charity - even something low-key.

Since there is going to be money involved, there will have to be accountability ... and probably a whole lot more.

[roffvald]

You'll really want to make some more research into what you actually want to achieve, you'll also want to look into a 501(c)(3) excemption. https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/exemption-requirements-section-501-c-3-organizations

[Bud]

POTUS needs no help from stinkin' charities.

[IanMacdonald]

Yep, I suppose it's not relevant to the mechanics of setting up a charity, but I think you have to be clear what's meant by BS if you want people to support it.

I mean, it could stand for Bataclan Shooting, and as far as I'm concerned, any reasonable measures to stop that kind of activity are not (the other kind of) BS.

 

[cdev]

Take a look at how organizations like Guidestar evaluate charities. Also, (gathering that you live in the US) Nolo Press might have some books on setting up a nonprofit.


Quote from: Beamin on Today at 08:56:29

I want to start a charity for...

[Beamin]

POTUS needs no help from stinkin' charities.

Its because of him: its for the people who were run over and the family of the girl that was killed by neonazi terrorists last weekend. I have a domain ready for them that I already bought. Its to help with their medical bills and time lost from work and emotional stress.

[Brumby]

While the circumstances are unfortunate and your motives might be honourable, there will be several impediments to you being able to start this up as a brand new concern.

As an example, there is the issue of ensuring the "charity" is not an excuse for someone to rort money out of others for their own personal gain.  The unscrupulous will try this on, so there is a duty of care by the authorities to make sure it's all above board.

Try starting something without the proper approvals ... and watch your world come crashing down.


You might be better off trying to enrol the aid of an established concern who will handle all the financial and regulatory requirements and are happy for you to do the rallying.

[MarkS]

Try IndieGoGo. The charity doesn't even need to be legitimate.

[cdev]

Just be honest.

 Most NGOS are honest. But, unfortunately, many also aren't. As legitimate business is squeezed out by the damands for higher and higher profits by speculation, charities have grown as a source of outsourcing-and globalization-proof jobs- (along with 'national security', especially when its privatized, which has some similar issues)

They are one of the biggest rackets around in the US due to our "hands off" approach to taking care of the ever growing numbers left behind.

This is seen as appalling by Europeans and many others who feel that its the governments responsibility to do many of the things charities in the US are supposed to do. But disinvestment/services liberalization has meant that public services are being dismantled due to international agreements to let corporations have their turn, leaving nobody to help the poor.
This is because starting January 1, 1995, major limits were placed on what governments can do by the WTO GATS agreement, and they basically had to come up with a timetable and plan to end doing even that. ("progressive liberalisation" its called)

Despite the growing need, you'll find that too many well-established "charities" when it comes down to it, don't or even won't do important things needed to solve the problems they are claiming to want to solve.

If they did they often argue things like "they would lose their corporate funding", but the fact is, if government did its job, many NGOs would not be needed at all.
 

In the coming years, NGOs could be the main dysfunctional face seen of some real disasters by large portions of the American public, and as people in the developing world know, thats a truly awful situation to be in. Because there is ZERO accountability.

No matter how many trade deals they sign and how many services are auctioned off to multinational corporations, responsibility is ultimately demanded of governments (and if the electorate fails to pick up on something they do, it often ends up paying.) 

Corporations are designed to shield investors and leave the public with the bill for their mistakes.

Even though corporations can have their assets sold off (but often only after they have been already stripped of assets and left a debt ridden shell) they can leave problems which cause massive losses to a population, as when the environment and peoples health is destroyed.

As you pointed out NGOs do also often siphon off lots of $$$. Especially in "emergencies". But then again, so do various "emergencies" elicit extreme levels of looting elsewhere. (see image below)

[Ampera]

Hot damn, this topic seems about ready to catch fire in a flame war.

[cdev]

There are big differences between what various legal forms of charities can do.


Quote from: roffvald on 2017-08-16, 12:26:52

You'll really want to make some more research into what you actually want to achieve, you'll also want to look into a 501(c)(3) excemption.

https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/exemption-requirements-section-501-c-3-organizations

[Beamin]

While the circumstances are unfortunate and your motives might be honourable, there will be several impediments to you being able to start this up as a brand new concern.

As an example, there is the issue of ensuring the "charity" is not an excuse for someone to rort money out of others for their own personal gain.  The unscrupulous will try this on, so there is a duty of care by the authorities to make sure it's all above board.

Try starting something without the proper approvals ... and watch your world come crashing down.


You might be better off trying to enrol the aid of an established concern who will handle all the financial and regulatory requirements and are happy for you to do the rallying.

How do you know this? It almost sounds like you speak from experience or assumptions.

At the malls in America there are these people who are supper pushy sales "kids" that try to get you to donate to a charity like good will. When I asked them more about this told me they were a for profit company that raises money for charity. I told them that by not giving all the money to the charity they're essentially stealing from the needy. "Oh but if we weren't out here the charity would get nothing" That maybe true but that's just wrong. Like when a place asks for a donation but they say "donation are not tax deductible" That's a big red flag.

I never donate to the red cross anymore because last I checked it was three years after an earthquake in Haiti and the CEO said "We are waiting for the right time to give to the victims". The right time was the day it happened. By now the people have rebuilt or cut their losses and moved on.Best thing to do is give directly to a small charity.   

[cdev]

I always find myself referring to the nonprofit "industry" because thats really what it is. And fixing whatever problem their development efforts revolve around is sometimes it seems the very last thing they really want to do.  "We would lose our corporate funding" one person who I spoke with last year told me, when I asked her why didn't they tell the truth on something important, and its true, they would.

Politics are like that too. certain big problems are such consistent vote getters were they to do their job and fix them they would have to come up with actual ideas and solutions for much more than they do today. I hate to say that but the facts speak for themselves.

[Brumby]

While the circumstances are unfortunate and your motives might be honourable, there will be several impediments to you being able to start this up as a brand new concern.

As an example, there is the issue of ensuring the "charity" is not an excuse for someone to rort money out of others for their own personal gain.  The unscrupulous will try this on, so there is a duty of care by the authorities to make sure it's all above board.

Try starting something without the proper approvals ... and watch your world come crashing down.


You might be better off trying to enrol the aid of an established concern who will handle all the financial and regulatory requirements and are happy for you to do the rallying.

How do you know this? It almost sounds like you speak from experience or assumptions.

No single source.

It comes from several simple things - like watching the news; seeing the hoops a local church group is going through for a food distribution effort; a healthy cynicism about people who would be happy to rip off the community for their own gain - not to mention the expectation I have that government should be well and truly involved in keeping such organisations honest and accountable for the benefit of those that support the charity as well as those the charity purports to assist.

Without some third party involvement to vet any "charity" efforts, the difference between an individual who is passionate about a genuine cause and one who is genuinely passionate about lining their own pockets is going to be imperceptible.  That's a bipartisan political football that begs for action.

Besides ... what bureaucracy wouldn't enjoy spreading their net across such opportunities...?

[ez24]

redcross where they have advertising and other BS expenses like paying the board $47832948923 a year or holding the funds (I'm looking at you again red cross and wondering when Haiti is going to get that hurricane money?)

$47,832,948,923

This is about 48 billion, seems too high.  BUT I live in San Diego which is a big city but not the biggest.  The local Red Cross chief makes over $500,000 a year (there was a local news story about the person taking the job about 4 years ago)!  This is just one person in one city.  I guess it is possible Red Cross pays themselves 48 billion. 

The Red Cross does one thing well and that is pay their big wigs well.   They will never get a penny from me.

[iampoor]

If you are forming a charity in the USA and you want to stay small, you want to qualify under the 501 (c)3 ez-file program. Yes I have expierence with this, and was part of a small successful charity that used this method.

[cdev]

In the United States you should be able to get the "form 990" of any charity you have questions about, that is the financial statement they all need to file every year.

Its public information.

[Beamin]

redcross where they have advertising and other BS expenses like paying the board $47832948923 a year or holding the funds (I'm looking at you again red cross and wondering when Haiti is going to get that hurricane money?)

$47,832,948,923

This is about 48 billion, seems too high.  BUT I live in San Diego which is a big city but not the biggest.  The local Red Cross chief makes over $500,000 a year (there was a local news story about the person taking the job about 4 years ago)!  This is just one person in one city.  I guess it is possible Red Cross pays themselves 48 billion. 

The Red Cross does one thing well and that is pay their big wigs well.   They will never get a penny from me.

I meant $498712984793287493832 that's how I came up with the first number. Here is another:$384750984735892473

[cdev]

Where did you get these figures?


Quote from: Beamin on Today at 19:33:48

The Red Cross does one thing well and that is pay their big wigs well.   They will never get a penny from me.

I meant $498712984793287493832 that's how I came up with the first number. Here is another:$384750984735892473

[Old Don]

To set up a charity where donors can take a tax credit for donating you need to set up a 501C3 non-profit corporation. Normally you start with creating a set of bylaws and a constitution and apply to your state (method varies for each state) and then get a EIN number from the IRS. The bylaws spell out the purpose, the number of board members and details on the usage for the money. Board and other personnel may be all volunteers or paid. Getting a Guidestar rating helps with fund raising since many larger companies screen their donations based upon Guidestar. No Guidestar ratings and you are SOL for getting one of the companies to give you a grant. Plus most larger companies issue grants only one or a couple times a year and you need to wait and hope they select your charity.

But since there's so many good charities now, why not just support an existing one? Unless you wish to pay yourself lots of bucks and pass on only a few percent to the group at the end. In that case, apply to Wounded Warriors or Red Cross - they've got that covered now!

Salvation Army or the American Legion's National Emergency Fund (NEF) are two charities with little overhead. You can use Charity Navigator to pick charities with little overhead too.

If you use Amazon, then logging into their Smile Amazon home page allows you to pick a charity and then about 0.5% of all your purchases goes to the charity of your choice without costing you any extra over their normal home page log-on.

[ez24]

If you use Amazon, then logging into their Smile Amazon home page allows you to pick a charity and then about 0.5% of all your purchases goes to the charity of your choice without costing you any extra over their normal home page log-on.

Never heard of this so now I am checking it out   

https://smile.amazon.com/

[Old Don]

Unless a charity is properly set up there's no way of knowing where the money is going. GuideStar is one way if investigating a charity and they make their money off big companies trying to not get ripped off with fake charities. I'm the post commander of the local American Legion post and so have investigated charities and how to raise money for our post and for the Legion programs to help local vet's and youth. Veteran organizations are 501.c19's and a lot of large companies only donate grant money to 501C3's and this puts a lot of pressure on veteran organizations. Our post took the time to get GuideStar rated and wanted Amazon to allow us to be in the smile program. But so far they are not allowing us to be one of the charities listed. Our post supports a lot local children and youth programs along with veteran programs and 100% of the money passes through us since we all war time veterans and volunteer our time. There's no salaries.

If interested in the national American Legion charities, see:   https://www.legion.org/donate  plus:     https://www.legion.org/programs

[cdev]

I've been using Guidestar for years and thats not unusual. (NGOs not paying anybody)  Its not unusual at all.


Quote from: Old Don on Today at 20:08:47

Unless a charity is properly set up there's no way of knowing where the money is going. GuideStar is one way if investigating a charity and they make their money off big companies trying to not get ripped off with fake charities. I'm the post commander of the local American Legion post and so have investigated charities and how to raise money for our post and for the Legion programs to help local vet's and youth. Veteran organizations are 501.c19's and a lot of large companies only donate grant money to 501C3's and this puts a lot of pressure on veteran organizations. Our post took the time to get GuideStar rated and wanted Amazon to allow us to be in the smile program. But so far they are not allowing us to be one of the charities listed. Our post supports a lot local children and youth programs along with veteran programs and 100% of the money passes through us since we all war time veterans and volunteer our time. There's no salaries.

If interested in the national American Legion charities, see: 

https://www.legion.org/donate  plus:     https://www.legion.org/programs

[Old Don]

Going back to the OP's question, no using Patreon to funnel money to someone is not a a method to set up a non-profit 501C3 charity. Any so-called charity that isn't even a non-profit corporation per the IRS could be nothing but a scam.

[Beamin]

If you use Amazon, then logging into their Smile Amazon home page allows you to pick a charity and then about 0.5% of all your purchases goes to the charity of your choice without costing you any extra over their normal home page log-on.

Never heard of this so now I am checking it out   

https://smile.amazon.com/

I don't trust amazon since twice they have stuck amazon prime on my account when I know for a fact I never signed up for it. They did this to a family member a few years ago so I was extra careful not to accidentally click on it. And normally when you accidentally click on something these companies will fight tooth and nail not to give it back. At amazon they sounded like this was 34th time this cust serv. rep had refunded it today. I know so many people who got amazon prime without agreeing to pay for it or wanted it. I KNOW they do it on purpose hoping you won't notice. They will get sued soon.

I really just wanted to raise money then paypal or write a check to the person and then shut it down. Looks like America has made it way to hard to give people free money that aren't banks or credit cards. The corporations want it for themselves and don't want you "wasting" your possible shopping money. 

[cdev]

This is exactly whats been and is being done.

 Looks like America has made it way to hard to give people free money that aren't banks or credit cards. The corporations want it for themselves and don't want you "wasting" your possible shopping money. 

[Brumby]

Looks like America has made it way to hard to give people free money that aren't banks or credit cards. The corporations want it for themselves and don't want you "wasting" your possible shopping money.

No - it's not that at all.

The reason it is not easy is hidden in this statement:

I really just wanted to raise money then paypal or write a check to the person and then shut it down.

Let's say there are two people standing side by side that say the same thing.  Both look and sound genuine.

One is you, who wants to do the right thing - and the other is a person who just wants to take the money for themselves.

A person walks up with one $10 note to give to one of you.  How do they know who to give it to?

[ez24]

A person walks up with one $10 note to give to one of you.  How do they know who to give it to?

By their avatar.  I would bet they would give it to my avatar and not me.   

[Brumby]

Now, now ....

I'm sure somebody would take you out based on your avatar.  I am also sure that someone would take you out based on a face-to-face meeting with you, personally.



What I'm not sure about is which definition of "take you out" that might be applied in each case.   

[iampoor]

I really just wanted to raise money then paypal or write a check to the person and then shut it down. Looks like America has made it way to hard to give people free money that aren't banks or credit cards. The corporations want it for themselves and don't want you "wasting" your possible shopping money.

They build a non profit using the proper process, and dont expect an easy ride. You have to remember, none of us know you in person, or what your intentions are. Or just make a paypal account and ask people to give you money. 

[Beamin]

Looks like America has made it way to hard to give people free money that aren't banks or credit cards. The corporations want it for themselves and don't want you "wasting" your possible shopping money.

No - it's not that at all.

The reason it is not easy is hidden in this statement:

I really just wanted to raise money then paypal or write a check to the person and then shut it down.

Let's say there are two people standing side by side that say the same thing.  Both look and sound genuine.

One is you, who wants to do the right thing - and the other is a person who just wants to take the money for themselves.

A person walks up with one $10 note to give to one of you.  How do they know who to give it to?

You spend years getting to know them, hire profilers from the FBI and psychologists, order back ground checks and credit reports, kidnap their family and torture them and see if they do the right thing. Then after you have done all that give them $10 with a GPS tracker and video camera on it to make sure it goes to the right cause.

[Old Don]

Or you use:

http://www.guidestar.org/Home.aspx

and/or

https://www.charitynavigator.org/

You do not send money to a bunch of actors that don't even know what planet they are on, but will shill for any could be charity with a great sounding name.

[Corporate666]

This thread is utterly ridiculous.

"I want to start a charity for the victims of all the BS that's going on in the USA right now".... "and I've already registered the domain name".

You have no idea about starting a business nor a charity, nor have you done any research whatsoever.  There is no shortage of people who claim to want to help.  Some of them even think they are actually helping.  But there is almost certainly a charity already in existence that caters to the group you claim to want to help.  What is the purpose of setting up another one?

And if your intention is to aggregate funds and then deliver them to the needy person, then what is your added value?  What is your role?  Why can't the people just give the funds to the needy person themselves?  Are you going to identify the needy persons, advertise for donors/donations, handle all of the logistics and such for free?  That raises red flags... unless you're independently wealthy or you care deeply about this topic, then why work for free?  Isn't your time worth something?  And if you care deeply about the subject, why isn't it better defined than "victims of all the BS that's going on in the USA right now".

Do you live in the USA?  If so, why not get involved with the charities that already help those you deem needy?  And if not, why on earth would you want to start a charity in another country for people in the USA?

This whole thing smells like week old tuna left in the sun. 

[Beamin]

This thread is utterly ridiculous.

"I want to start a charity for the victims of all the BS that's going on in the USA right now".... "and I've already registered the domain name".

You have no idea about starting a business nor a charity, nor have you done any research whatsoever.  There is no shortage of people who claim to want to help.  Some of them even think they are actually helping.  But there is almost certainly a charity already in existence that caters to the group you claim to want to help.  What is the purpose of setting up another one?

And if your intention is to aggregate funds and then deliver them to the needy person, then what is your added value?  What is your role?  Why can't the people just give the funds to the needy person themselves?  Are you going to identify the needy persons, advertise for donors/donations, handle all of the logistics and such for free?  That raises red flags... unless you're independently wealthy or you care deeply about this topic, then why work for free?  Isn't your time worth something?  And if you care deeply about the subject, why isn't it better defined than "victims of all the BS that's going on in the USA right now".

Do you live in the USA?  If so, why not get involved with the charities that already help those you deem needy?  And if not, why on earth would you want to start a charity in another country for people in the USA?

This whole thing smells like week old tuna left in the sun.

I have no idea how to start a business? Last business I sold I started as a part time sales person went to part owner in two years then to a majority owner in three. Your assumptions are just ignorant. I purposely left out details because I want to be anonymous; if I start a charity I wouldn't even want it, or any of my businesses, linked to an internet forum where I talk about my political views or other such ideas. I have seen what happens when people brag about their businesses tell people what its called then piss people off on the internet.

[cdev]

A charity isn't a business. Thats the whole point, its non-profit.

The reason non-profit information is public is because their governance needs to be squeaky clean, or should be.

I have no idea how to start a business? Last business I sold I started as a part time sales person went to part owner in two years then to a majority owner in three. Your assumptions are just ignorant. I purposely left out details because I want to be anonymous; if I start a charity I wouldn't even want it, or any of my businesses, linked to an internet forum where I talk about my political views or other such ideas. I have seen what happens when people brag about their businesses tell people what its called then piss people off on the internet.

[Beamin]

This thread is utterly ridiculous.

"I want to start a charity for the victims of all the BS that's going on in the USA right now".... "and I've already registered the domain name".

You have no idea about starting a business nor a charity, nor have you done any research whatsoever.  There is no shortage of people who claim to want to help.  Some of them even think they are actually helping.  But there is almost certainly a charity already in existence that caters to the group you claim to want to help.  What is the purpose of setting up another one?

And if your intention is to aggregate funds and then deliver them to the needy person, then what is your added value?  What is your role?  Why can't the people just give the funds to the needy person themselves?  Are you going to identify the needy persons, advertise for donors/donations, handle all of the logistics and such for free?  That raises red flags... unless you're independently wealthy or you care deeply about this topic, then why work for free?  Isn't your time worth something?  And if you care deeply about the subject, why isn't it better defined than "victims of all the BS that's going on in the USA right now".

Do you live in the USA?  If so, why not get involved with the charities that already help those you deem needy?  And if not, why on earth would you want to start a charity in another country for people in the USA?

This whole thing smells like week old tuna left in the sun.

What do I offer? I offer my time and the ability to organize groups of people and make sure things get done right and efficiently. I have started many political causes and worked on campaigns for politicians starting when I was 8. I have worked down in Washington at the house and senate (If you ever go there look at the cabinets in each office: one is not a cabinet but an emergency escape hatch; coolest thing I have ever seen and I have always wanted to open one). I had a lady get insurance for life from Blue cross blue shield by getting Obama to pressure them publicly when they cut her insurance when she got cancer. I have met the president to talk about issues, met many senators and reps to propose bills, I have had press meetings on Cable TV and local news that I organized and had several protests that actually made change. That's what I offer.

That post actually got me pissed off then I remembered its only the internet. 

[cdev]

Wow,
please tell us more ... 

What do I offer? I offer my time and the ability to organize groups of people and make sure things get done right and efficiently. I have started many political causes and worked on campaigns for politicians starting when I was 8. I have worked down in Washington at the house and senate (If you ever go there look at the cabinets in each office: one is not a cabinet but an emergency escape hatch; coolest thing I have ever seen and I have always wanted to open one). I had a lady get insurance for life from Blue cross blue shield by getting Obama to pressure them publicly when they cut her insurance when she got cancer. I have met the president to talk about issues, met many senators and reps to propose bills, I have had press meetings on Cable TV and local news that I organized and had several protests that actually made change. That's what I offer.

That post actually got me pissed off then I remembered its only the internet. 

Are you sure this wasnt just one of those OLD filing systems where there is a large metal wheel that looks like the steering wheel on a ship or the door to a safe.. they used to be quite common in government offices.. etc.. used for paper files..

[Brumby]

Somebody with such credentials, comes here for charity advice?

Incongruous.  (Look it up)

[iampoor]

Somebody with such credentials, comes here for charity advice?

Incongruous.  (Look it up)

My thought too.

Beamin, starting a charity is really not that difficult. It's just time consuming and you must be VERY organized. Patreon is not a good website to find a charity though, from what I know.

Good luck.

[Old Don]

A charity isn't a business. Thats the whole point, its non-profit.

The reason non-profit information is public is because their governance needs to be squeaky clean, or should be.

A charity is a corporation, a 501C3 tax exempt business, that has to report to the IRS just as any other business.

https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/exemption-requirements-section-501c3-organizations

Here's the rules:  https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/application-process

[cdev]

Beamin,

Nolo Press sells books which will tell you how to start your nonproft.

https://store.nolo.com/products/nonprofits

[Beamin]

Wow,
please tell us more ... 

What do I offer? I offer my time and the ability to organize groups of people and make sure things get done right and efficiently. I have started many political causes and worked on campaigns for politicians starting when I was 8. I have worked down in Washington at the house and senate (If you ever go there look at the cabinets in each office: one is not a cabinet but an emergency escape hatch; coolest thing I have ever seen and I have always wanted to open one). I had a lady get insurance for life from Blue cross blue shield by getting Obama to pressure them publicly when they cut her insurance when she got cancer. I have met the president to talk about issues, met many senators and reps to propose bills, I have had press meetings on Cable TV and local news that I organized and had several protests that actually made change. That's what I offer.

That post actually got me pissed off then I remembered its only the internet. 

Are you sure this wasnt just one of those OLD filing systems where there is a large metal wheel that looks like the steering wheel on a ship or the door to a safe.. they used to be quite common in government offices.. etc.. used for paper files..

No they have plaques on them them say "EMEMGENCY ESCAPE DOOR IS ALARMED DO NOT OPEN" I have pictures on a hard drive that I will find.


I wasn't so much asking for advice on the charity but rather the technical end making sure the site is https: etc etc and the people here seem much more computer savvy than I am. Also people on here have youtube channels with patreons and I was more asking for what they think of it as end users as in "this feature sucks, this is easy, they don't let you do this, they take this cut of the money if you pay this way" etc etc. I found with computers rather than reading every detail it's better to learn from others as you waste time reading about features you will never use. Its like studying for your series 7, probably 250 pages out of 1000 are devoted to municipal bonds and you will never have to deal with them. 


Now to find the picture of the cabinet inside the cabinet.


This is what they look like. I'm still trying to find the picture. See the low cabinet in the back under the picture in the middle? I really don't see how a fat person like chris Christie could fit down them they are really narrow.

[Brumby]

I wasn't so much asking for advice on the charity but rather the technical end making sure the site is https: etc etc and the people here seem much more computer savvy than I am. Also people on here have youtube channels with patreons and I was more asking for what they think of it as end users as in "this feature sucks, this is easy, they don't let you do this, they take this cut of the money if you pay this way" etc etc.

Well that got lost among the noise very quickly.

[Beamin]

I wasn't so much asking for advice on the charity but rather the technical end making sure the site is https: etc etc and the people here seem much more computer savvy than I am. Also people on here have youtube channels with patreons and I was more asking for what they think of it as end users as in "this feature sucks, this is easy, they don't let you do this, they take this cut of the money if you pay this way" etc etc.

Well that got lost among the noise very quickly.

I often find it amusing to give a little bit of detail and watch how many assumptions people will make. Their assumptions often reflect their own experience and short falls. But I really don't tolerate negativity. If someone is trying to do something nice; help them; don't be a dick. If you can't be nice then skip over to the next post. No one wants to hear about their nonexistent short comings that someone else imagines you have. My time frame on this one has expired anyways.

[Brumby]

With an approach like that, I could forgive someone if they labelled you a troll.

... especially when assumptions are allowed to run uncorrected.

[Old Don]

I want to start a charity for the victims of all the BS that's going on in America right now. I have a domain picked out and have a general idea but was wondering how the money end works? Figured there are people here who live off the internet so I think you guys could help and you would also be kind of donating to the charity by helping me out.

I have two requirements:

I want it to be anonymous; people can use their real names if they like but I don't want to take any credit for it. I feel all charity should be like that but that's just me.

I want people to also be able to make one time donations as well. Patreon doesn't seem like it likes that.

Also I want as much money to go to the charity as possible so fees are to be taken into consideration. I would like it to be accountable so people can see its for real and all the money goes 100% to the people. None of this business like the redcross where they have advertising and other BS expenses like paying the board $47832948923 a year or holding the funds (I'm looking at you again red cross and wondering when Haiti is going to get that hurricane money?)

Last statement above - "I would like it to be accountable so people can see its for real and all the money goes 100% to the people."

So informing you on how to make it "REAL" setting up a 501C3 becomes:

"I often find it amusing to give a little bit of detail and watch how many assumptions people will make. Their assumptions often reflect their own experience and short falls. But I really don't tolerate negativity. If someone is trying to do something nice; help them; don't be a dick. If you can't be nice then skip over to the next post. No one wants to hear about their nonexistent short comings that someone else imagines you have. My time frame on this one has expired anyways."

OBTW, I've set up 2 commercial businesses prior to retiring. I run part of a nation non-profit and do thousands of hours of community service work per year. I do not draw a salary. I do interface with town, county, state and national veteran and political members on a daily basis and not once have I insulted the very people trying to help me like you did in this thread. I hope you learn to take advice as you grew older and mature.

[Beamin]

I want to start a charity for the victims of all the BS that's going on in America right now. I have a domain picked out and have a general idea but was wondering how the money end works? Figured there are people here who live off the internet so I think you guys could help and you would also be kind of donating to the charity by helping me out.

I have two requirements:

I want it to be anonymous; people can use their real names if they like but I don't want to take any credit for it. I feel all charity should be like that but that's just me.

I want people to also be able to make one time donations as well. Patreon doesn't seem like it likes that.

Also I want as much money to go to the charity as possible so fees are to be taken into consideration. I would like it to be accountable so people can see its for real and all the money goes 100% to the people. None of this business like the redcross where they have advertising and other BS expenses like paying the board $47832948923 a year or holding the funds (I'm looking at you again red cross and wondering when Haiti is going to get that hurricane money?)

Last statement above - "I would like it to be accountable so people can see its for real and all the money goes 100% to the people."

So informing you on how to make it "REAL" setting up a 501C3 becomes:

"I often find it amusing to give a little bit of detail and watch how many assumptions people will make. Their assumptions often reflect their own experience and short falls. But I really don't tolerate negativity. If someone is trying to do something nice; help them; don't be a dick. If you can't be nice then skip over to the next post. No one wants to hear about their nonexistent short comings that someone else imagines you have. My time frame on this one has expired anyways."

OBTW, I've set up 2 commercial businesses prior to retiring. I run part of a nation non-profit and do thousands of hours of community service work per year. I do not draw a salary. I do interface with town, county, state and national veteran and political members on a daily basis and not once have I insulted the very people trying to help me like you did in this thread. I hope you learn to take advice as you grew older and mature.

Good for you. If you want to engage in a "yeah well I did that too only I have done it 3 times and bla bla bla" better then thou contest you are not going to find it. Why do people say things like "I hope... as you grow older and more mature". No you don't, you want to start an argument over the internet. No one can validate either of our credentials and nor should they waste their time trying. Speaking of advice what have you offered? A copy and paste link from the first result on google? Thanks I didn't think of using google or clicking on the first link that came up. I could never imagine being so insecure I have to prop myself up by comparing myself to random people on the internet. Takes a bit more for me to feel some sense of accomplishment. It sounds like you are bragging about how you are retired and spend thousands of hours for free. Most people do good things for the sake of doing good things not so they can tell other people about how charitable they are. Well some do but they are doing it for the wrong reasons.

Also I never doubted you or even asked what your back ground was: you haven't provided anything that wasn't known. And honestly I don't really care I have never even heard of you up until this post.

[Old Don]

Unbelievable. 

[Beamin]

Unbelievable. 

Is it really? I would have to disagree given the quality of people posting on the internet. Yes this forum is orders of magnitude better in the quality of posts vs youtube comments, but really: what were, you, expecting?

[Zero999]

Somebody with such credentials, comes here for charity advice?

Incongruous.  (Look it up)

I agree.

He's done this kind of thing before: ask newbe questions, then reveal he's an expert. Remember the one about PCB etching, only to reveal he knows it all and is studying chemistry? Just ignore it.

[Beamin]

Somebody with such credentials, comes here for charity advice?

Incongruous.  (Look it up)

I agree.

He's done this kind of thing before: ask newbe questions, then reveal he's an expert. Remember the one about PCB etching, only to reveal he knows it all and is studying chemistry? Just ignore it.

I must say that's the first time I have been called an expert. I really do enjoy the back and fourth it helps me to understand points of view I wouldn't normally consider if I just said "I know everything I don't want to hear things I already know." I always say listen to everyone sometimes an answer you always considered wrong is the right one.