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Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« on: August 13, 2017, 04:40:36 am »
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/08/12/531553/iran-lofti-zadeh-fuzzy-logic
AI researcher Lotfi Aliasker Zadeh, Fuzzy logic founder, has passed away
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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2017, 04:56:20 am »
R.I.P.
 

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Re: Originator of Fuzzy Logic dies
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2017, 08:19:31 am »
Bit unfortunate wording of the thread title -- "dies, more or less"?  :-\
Maybe you can edit that?
 

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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2017, 08:27:37 am »
Bit unfortunate wording of the thread title -- "dies, more or less"?  :-\
He shouldn't. It is a tribute to the person who passed away in several ways and IMHO it is very well put.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2017, 08:29:27 am by nctnico »
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 
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Re: Originator of Fuzzy Logic dies
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2017, 08:28:21 am »
Bit unfortunate wording of the thread title -- "dies, more or less"?  :-\
Maybe you can edit that?

No need. I see that as a tribute to the bloke.  :-+
 

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Re: Originator of Fuzzy Logic dies
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2017, 08:42:21 am »
Bit unfortunate wording of the thread title -- "dies, more or less"?  :-\
Maybe you can edit that?

No need. I see that as a tribute to the bloke.  :-+

Agree 100%.

That was my first reaction to the title - and I smiled at it being so appropriate.
 
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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2017, 08:53:59 am »
Bit unfortunate wording of the thread title -- "dies, more or less"?  :-\
He shouldn't. It is a tribute to the person who passed away in several ways and IMHO it is very well put.

OK -- I had not understood the title as a pun, but as an awkward way to say that Zadeh was the more-or-less inventor of Fuzzy Logic (and has now died). He did invent the term, but not the math, which had been studied as "infinite value logic" before.
 

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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2017, 09:25:59 am »
Bit unfortunate wording of the thread title -- "dies, more or less"?  :-\
He shouldn't. It is a tribute to the person who passed away in several ways and IMHO it is very well put.

OK -- I had not understood the title as a pun, but as an awkward way to say that Zadeh was the more-or-less inventor of Fuzzy Logic (and has now died). He did invent the term, but not the math, which had been studied as "infinite value logic" before.
Well, then he is right there with Einstein which also invented the term (relativity theory) but didn't invent the math.
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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2017, 09:43:21 am »
You win the internet for the day with that title.

Bravo sir.
 
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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2017, 09:51:18 am »
I didn't knew he were still living at the first place.

RIP
 

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Re: Originator of Fuzzy Logic dies
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2017, 09:58:42 am »
Bit unfortunate wording of the thread title -- "dies, more or less"?  :-\
Maybe you can edit that?

No need. I see that as a tribute to the bloke.  :-+

Agree 100%.

That was my first reaction to the title - and I smiled at it being so appropriate.

Yep, I got it straight away.
 
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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic, dies, more or less.
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2017, 10:25:04 am »
There should be another comma. I thought someone invented a fuzzy logic die, until I realised the true meaning.

Anyway, it's sad, but no one lives forever.
 

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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2017, 10:44:11 am »
Who taught you to put a comma between subject and verb?

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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2017, 04:18:23 pm »
Who taught you to put a comma between subject and verb?
Not generally, but the word dies can be used as a verb or a noun and adding a comma would have made it more clear. Anyway I don't want to get into a discussion about semantics.
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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2017, 05:22:11 pm »
I loved the title. Perfect, made me grin right away.

The fact that "dies" is lower case is certainly all that is needed. A comma would be entirely out of place there unless used in the appositive to say that "dies" is the inventor of Fuzzy Logic. https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/596/1/

I am sure most grammar nazis find technical engineer nazis annoying, and would be annoyed at people correcting their misuse of Volts vs. Amps or other things we on this forum would consider obvious :-DD

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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2017, 06:00:21 pm »
I loved the title. Perfect, made me grin right away.

The fact that "dies" is lower case is certainly all that is needed. A comma would be entirely out of place there unless used in the appositive to say that "dies" is the inventor of Fuzzy Logic. https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/596/1/

I am sure most grammar nazis find technical engineer nazis annoying, and would be annoyed at people correcting their misuse of Volts vs. Amps or other things we on this forum would consider obvious :-DD
Yes you're right. I shouldn't have started grumbling about grammar nazis and have edited my post.
 

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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2017, 06:31:56 pm »
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/08/12/531553/iran-lofti-zadeh-fuzzy-logic
AI researcher Lotfi Aliasker Zadeh, Fuzzy logic founder, has passed away
My next door neighbor as a kid.  Sad.  Everyone in the neighborhood was of that generation and passing one by one.
 

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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2017, 10:52:59 pm »
Who taught you to put a comma between subject and verb?
Not generally, but the word dies can be used as a verb or a noun and adding a comma would have made it more clear. Anyway I don't want to get into a discussion about semantics.
Nope nope nope. Comma there would be unequivocally wrong. It's not a subordinate clause, not an explanatory interjection, nor a list. Commas cannot just be added randomly!
 

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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2017, 11:22:34 pm »
Not only a very fine pun, but a intrigueing use of fuzzy logic! Maybe we should go through the process of defining the membership functions?
 

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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2017, 11:38:12 pm »
Thanks, but sadly so, I think it is a subordinate clause, most likely. HiHi.
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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2017, 12:00:50 am »
OK, this is weird.  He's more or less not dead!  Reload the article:
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/08/12/531553/iran-lofti-zadeh-fuzzy-logic

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Tehran University withdraws report on death of researcher
« Last Edit: August 16, 2017, 12:18:39 am by rfeecs »
 
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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2017, 01:45:13 am »
OK, this is weird.  He's more or less not dead!  Reload the article:
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/08/12/531553/iran-lofti-zadeh-fuzzy-logic

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Tehran University withdraws report on death of researcher

How apt!
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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2017, 10:44:28 am »
Who taught you to put a comma between subject and verb?
Not generally, but the word dies can be used as a verb or a noun and adding a comma would have made it more clear. Anyway I don't want to get into a discussion about semantics.
Nope nope nope. Comma there would be unequivocally wrong. It's not a subordinate clause, not an explanatory interjection, nor a list. Commas cannot just be added randomly!
Yes, as alm correctly said to me via PM, it should be "Inventor of fuzzy logic has died, more or less." I knew there was something wrong with the thread title, but for the life of me couldn't correct it. :-[
 

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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2017, 03:08:14 pm »
I'm getting as much of a chuckle over these grammar wars, as some got from the title.

To say 'has died' puts the subject in the past tense. To say 'dies' casts it as an event of indeterminate time, possibly happening as you watch. In which case to add the 'more or less' is more interesting, since it implies you can't actually tell precisely even if watching.

Also commas (I think) can be used both to sort out sentence elements, and also just to indicate a pause. Which is how I meant it.

Now the real question: Is the university picking up the joke?

Edit: Removed a comma. Lest this go round the circle again.
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Re: Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less.
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2017, 03:30:28 pm »
It seems he is alive after all.

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