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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #100 on: September 01, 2015, 08:43:24 PM »
Apparently, the guy's mangina still hurts from those comments.
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« Reply #101 on: September 01, 2015, 09:33:53 PM »
Apparently, the guy's mangina still hurts from those comments.
I went and read the thread. I think Mojo was not treated fairly. I don't think the comments relating to Mojo were justified. The thread could have been closed without specific personal public comment. That thread went off the rails long before. Stronger reasons to close it existed.
 

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« Reply #102 on: September 01, 2015, 11:48:45 PM »
I went and read the thread. I think Mojo was not treated fairly. I don't think the comments relating to Mojo were justified. The thread could have been closed without specific personal public comment. That thread went off the rails long before. Stronger reasons to close it existed.

I have not read the thread, all I know is that Mojochan will continue to rant about feminism ad nauseum, there will be no end, he's done it countless times before, that's why it was shut down.
 

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« Reply #103 on: September 03, 2015, 01:17:35 AM »
"Mojochan our resident feminist obsessed poster will drag it into the toilet."

The thread could have been closed without specific personal public comment.

But compared to how that guy is the champion in badgering and commenting on others, the comment on him was still really friendly.
No need for him to pull the hurt victim card.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #104 on: September 03, 2015, 01:20:32 AM »
But compared to how that guy is the champion in badgering and commenting on others, the comment on him was still really friendly.
No need for him to pull the hurt victim card.

I'm really surprised Dave has put up with him for so long.

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« Reply #105 on: September 03, 2015, 10:00:21 AM »
But compared to how that guy is the champion in badgering and commenting on others, the comment on him was still really friendly.
No need for him to pull the hurt victim card.

I'm really surprised Dave has put up with him for so long.

Was he really playing the hurt victim card? If you wanted to report to a moderator a post in a locked thread how should you do it? This was Mojo's method.

"I'd like to report a post but the report link doesn't appear on it, presumably because it is by a moderator. Is there some way I can do it?"

I don't follow the history of Mojo's posts particularly closely and it seems apparent from Dave's response that there is an undercurrent. It is to Dave's credit that he does tolerate quite a bit in terms of what he let's people say that a lesser man might not. Rather than apply a variable scale that relies on comparison to what others say and do he has a fairly fixed set of standards against which he makes the judgement. He particularly avoids censoring posts that are diametrically opposed to his own position.

As for the feminism issue, the thread in question was about some device for picking up women (I don't really know exactly what it is) and the thread meandered all around and across the issue of respect for and treatment of women in the lead up to Mojo's posts. If Mojo has a greater sense of justice and fairness for others and women too then that is no bad thing that he is willing to stand up and express them. Judging Dave's own position by his history of forum posts leads me to think they are not at all dissimilar. That was what surprised me most and caused me to chime in with my own two cents worth. I would have thought some of the earlier posts were more likely to get up Dave's nose.

Consequently the thread could have been locked sooner. After 5 years here I ignored it just based on the title alone because it went just where I expected it would. I'm finding myself revelling in being able to ignore the objectionable (to me) threads with the "ignore topics" facility Dave provided. I think Mojo would benefit from using it more if he uses it at all.
 

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #106 on: September 03, 2015, 10:15:48 AM »
Moderation is not "black and white", and moderators cannot view every thread, it's primarily a report based system.
By not black and white, I mean that those who have a history of something on the forum will not be cut the same slack as everyone else, as it is often clear they will never let up on topic and will ultimately drag it down into the toilet. This is the case here, Mojochan has a history in feminism/sexism/gender threads and simply will not let up on the subject, so I shut it down. I do not want it going off-topic and polluting the Unread Posts list.
Same thing happens on other topics like conspiracy theories or religion for example.
I do not want to ban otherwise good and productive posters because they have a pet off-topic subject they won't let up on occasionally, that can be delt with in other ways.
 

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #107 on: September 03, 2015, 11:26:47 AM »
Moderation is not "black and white", and moderators cannot view every thread, it's primarily a report based system.

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #108 on: September 03, 2015, 07:03:53 PM »
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It's Dave's attitude that is the problem.

It's my "attitude" that allows this forum to operate as smoothly as it does. I think it's working pretty well.

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Despite repeated attempts to reach out and normalize relations all I get is this. This is what I was afraid of:
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I mean that those who have a history of something on the forum will not be cut the same slack as everyone else

And what's the problem with that? It's a perfectly legitimate and sensible way to run a forum.
If someone who has no history of getting carried away on say politics or religion make a few posts on that topic, then moderators don't have to be too concerned that they will escalate the thread and there is a good chance the thread will just die out.
But if someone with a known history of banging on and on and on about a particular topic jumped into a thread about that and starts, there is a very high chance the thread will get out of control. Hence they might very well be told to stay out of the thread, or the thread might get locked, or at worst, put on temporary ban (rare).

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It's become such a problem that Dave even banned criticism of himself for use of certain problematic language

Rubbish, cite proof.

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Apparently there is nothing I can do or say to change this.

No, because your actions have spoken well enough for you in the past.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #109 on: September 03, 2015, 08:56:00 PM »
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It's become such a problem that Dave even banned criticism of himself for use of certain problematic language

Rubbish, cite proof.

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-767-super-regenerative-receiver-problems/msg711333/#msg711333

You later clarified that "PLONKED" meant banned.

Wow, you are complaining about that? Really?
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Well here's a little heads up, people who continually harp on about the same thing about my videos over and over tend to get themselves PLONKED.

You seriously expect me to take criticism about the same thing over and over and over again from the same person?
Really?
Why should I?
If you have criticism, say it, I encourage it. I have never, and will never censor one-off criticism. Cite one example were I have done this.
But you can bet your arse if you just pester me with the same crap over and over, I'll ban your arse. That's when criticism becomes harassment and I will not tolerate it.

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Honestly, don't you think that is a bit unreasonable?

Nope.
I've been dealing with people on forums for 25+ years, and there is one thing I have learned, people don't change.
In your case your reputation of jumping on anything feminism, sexism etc related is very well earned, through your own hand and also reports about you, it's not a figment of my imagination or any persona vendetta.

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I'm trying to improve the situation, but you are saying there is literally nothing I can say or do. If you want me to leave then just ask, because that's the impression I get.

If I wanted you gone, you'd be gone.
You once asked me to remove all your posts on the forum because you had had enough, I could simply have done that and you were gone, by your own request. But I didn't do it, I was polite, I explained things, and gave you a chance to reconsider. You're welcome.
 

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #110 on: September 03, 2015, 11:59:01 PM »
Someone else brought it up, I responded. It wasn't even really about feminism, it was about how poor the quality of the argument in the video was. Feminism seems to be a trigger word for Dave.

Mojo Chan, here is an explanation that you can understand. Your posts here create a lot of externalized distraction and waste of time and offend some people so Dave's is looking out for the interests of the community and is regulating the posts for the common good. 

You see, it all makes sense now!
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #111 on: September 04, 2015, 12:29:44 AM »
Oh my god. Please, just ban mojo-chan already. If he's not talking about his SUPER KAWAII JAPANESE GIRLFRIEND FROM JAPAN he's playing up the feminist/genderist/environmentalists/whateverist card to the extreme. He has zero common sense, a complete lack of introspection and absolutely no shame.

To top all this off, I have never seen a single electronics post that he has contributed to in any significant manner. In fact, I could write a forum "chatbot" plugin that grepped certain keywords and then posted random feminist Tumblr entries as replies to replace him with and I bet nobody would notice the difference.

I don't know if you have ass-burgers or what mojo, but you seriously need to slow your roll and take stock. If you're anything like you are on this forum IRL, then you must be "that guy" and I feel sorry for you.

That's just my twenty eight cents.


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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #112 on: September 04, 2015, 12:30:24 AM »
Mojo, man you gotta let it go. I'm sympathetic to you but, enough, it's time to move on.

I'm reminded of a Dr Seuss story about The Zax.
 

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« Reply #113 on: September 04, 2015, 09:53:00 AM »
You seriously expect me to take criticism about the same thing over and over and over again from the same person?
If by "over and over again" you mean ONCE for that particular video, then yes. If you mean "I keep doing it, and people keep pointing it out each time" then still yes.

So you admit to harassing me over and over with complaint?

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Just so we are all on the same page, here is the entirety of what I said about that video in my comment (no previous posts by me in that thread):

No one cares, I don't care, just let it go, ok?

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Nope. I have the emails and PMs to prove it. If that's the way you remember it then it just re-enforced my earlier point.

I don't have the remember it. Direct quote from you in your first email to me (Gmail never forgets), with the subject title "Removal of my data":
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Can you please remove all my posts, but keep my account open? I'd like to use it to keep track of what threads I have read. If you can for some reason then please just remove the ban and I'll delete them myself. Thanks.

Please let me know if that request still stands, I'm happy to oblige.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #114 on: September 05, 2015, 10:04:38 AM »
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It's clear there is no reasoning with you. I'll consider what to do.

May I politely recommend that you consider fucking off?

Edit in the cold light of day: Sorry, that might have sounded a bit nasty, but I was attempting to be humorous whilst pointing out that you are entitled to leave if you so wish.
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« Reply #115 on: September 05, 2015, 09:14:55 PM »
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... I'll consider what to do.

Oh no, please don't shut down your account and restart as a new user.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #116 on: September 06, 2015, 06:00:12 PM »
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Why do you think Dave's favourite phrase annoys me so much? Could it be because we have both been on the wrong end of it before?

Dave seems to have a lot of favourite phrases, which one annoys you and why?
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« Reply #117 on: September 06, 2015, 06:21:11 PM »
I will hazard a guess at the annoying phrase being "One Hung Low". Can be very insulting if you are going to take affront to a saying not directed at you specifically.

Then again, i have been called many things. There are a few trigger words, but I cannot use them on this forum, because I would be banned, and if you use them to my face you might get your teeth handed to you on a plate. But I learned from the military a whole lot of words that are insulting, so most times it rolls off like water off a duck's back. Some of those words have been used on this forum, but as they were not directed at me in particular I just ignore them.
 

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« Reply #118 on: September 06, 2015, 06:55:37 PM »
"One Hung Low" was initially a comical assembly of Chinese sounding syllables that when Anglicised  made an indirect reference to one testicle hanging lower than the other.  It is not in common usage in Australia but at least as far as I encounter it, it still means nothing more than that.

However on this forum it seems to have morphed into a not even veiled insult to the Chinese and all things Chinese made. I think its use-by date has passed. Whether or not it is a racial slur depends more on how it is received than spoken.
 

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« Reply #119 on: September 06, 2015, 09:04:28 PM »
However on this forum it seems to have morphed into a not even veiled insult to the Chinese and all things Chinese made. I think its use-by date has passed. Whether or not it is a racial slur depends more on how it is received than spoken.

Agreed.

Think about what the effect of using it is for a moment. It re-enforces the stereotype that all Chinese goods are shoddy, and that Chinese people do shoddy work or have no interest in quality. It's basically the same stuff that was said about the Japanese once, and black people before that, and Spanish/Italian people in Europe etc. The result is that Chinese people have to deal with this automatic assumption, which disadvantages them.

A lot of people can't seem to understand this. They are generally the ones with a lot of privilege. Being white in a country like Australia is not going to hinder you much, but being Chinese might. Take Dave's recent Mailbag #787. He reviews the Zhiyun Z1-Evolution, and say "yes it's made in China, but..." As in, "yes it starts from a disadvantaged position (being made in China), but despite that it's good anyway".

The term for this kind of thing is "microaggression". Sadly Dave does it a lot, less in his videos but more so on his Twitter feed which I guess is a bit more "raw". On this forum though, there are many who are much, much more overt and well into bigotry.

One of the "rites of passage" of countries developing their industrial capacity is the manufacture of low cost & often low quality products.
At the time that Japanese products were regarded as poor quality,that was largely true of the cheap stuff ,but as everyone saw a bit too late,it was patently not the case with their WW2 military equipment.

After the War,they had to start again from scratch,going through the same stages,with the additional burden of being  the "former enemy".
As the higher value items became the common products from Japan,the quality improved,as there was more money available for quality control.etc.

China had to come out of a fairly rigid Communist state,where consumer items were of low priority,with all the best Engineering going into "Nation-building" projects & the Military.
That country has had to go,(& is still largely,going) through the same steps.

Other countries have had a reputation for junk-------just after WW2,some incredibly regrettable products came out of Germany.

Some UK products have  had poor reputations ,see:- "Joseph Lucas--Prince of Darkness",the term "Brummy" for cheap costume jewellery out of Birmingham,etc.
Of course,it was all "British & Best" to the Brits--but often "Pommy crap" to Aussies stuck on outback roads!

I'm presently battling with a USA made MFJ Antenna tuning unit which has a fairly complex rotary inductor.
The common name among Hams for MFJ stuff is "Mighty Fine Junk!"---a bit unfair,but "give dog a bad name".

By the way,being Australian,of whatever ethnicity,in Australia is no "bowl of cherries" as the popular image of Australian workers among some parts of the Employer community,is that they are all "Bludgers"(Oz slang for Loafers).

Chinese people are regarded as "clever, well educated & hard working"---somehow,as soon as they get an Oz Passport,they undergo a frightening metamorphosis,& become "Bludgers"!
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #120 on: September 06, 2015, 09:23:07 PM »
The term for this kind of thing is "microaggression".
And the whole-covering term is cultural marxism.
Used very often by racists these days against white hetero man.
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« Reply #121 on: September 06, 2015, 10:03:03 PM »
Mojo, the reason Chinese goods are regarded as junk is, for the most part, they are built to a price and of low quality. That's not to say they can't produce good quality items; they often do. They just have a bad reputation of making low quality copies, outright IP theft, cutting corners, poor workmanship and low quality. Is this reputation deserved? Right now: Yes.

In time, I'm sure they'll produce high quality goods on a whole; just like Japan.

It's not racism to say Chinese goods are crap; it's true of a lot (but not all) the stuff produced there.

They certainly don't need you white knighting them.

As for your SUPER NI HAIO GIRLFRIEND, unless she runs a factory that produces such goods, the sentiment in no way applies to her.

You should spend more time worried about yourself and less time dying for everyone else's sins. You're like an Aspie Jesus or something.


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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #122 on: September 06, 2015, 10:11:24 PM »
Guys, this thread is for moderation report talk only, not general arguments.
 

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #123 on: September 07, 2015, 01:46:36 AM »
Guys, this thread is for moderation report talk only, not general arguments.

Okay, no problem.

But I would like to say to everyone: don't take expressions that convey a sentiment too seriously. They're often only meant to be taken comically.
E.g.: there are a lot of expressions in the English language with the word "Dutch" in it that are not particularly positive, but they are only expressions...

"Sticks and stones will break my bones
But words will never harm me."
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #124 on: September 07, 2015, 04:44:42 AM »
Guys, this thread is for moderation report talk only, not general arguments.

We need a section dedicated for Mojochanism.
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