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Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« on: November 12, 2018, 12:15:26 am »
Today I sat down and decided to give the 2016 movie Star Trek: Beyond” a go. I suspended disappointment until I couldn’t take it any longer. I shut it off about halfway through. To remind myself, I started watching Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982?) and found myself captivated once more. Star Trek II did the job of telling a compelling story 36 years ago with a budget that was probably less than 5% of that which was allotted to the soulless piece of shite that is Star Trek: Beyond. In my opinion the two
films are incomparable. It’s like comparing The Godfather to something made as a YouTube special today. I was almost waiting for Chris Pine (I think that’s the actors name?) to say “Please like, share, subscribe and comment below!”
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Filmmaking is a lost art. I will never be able to relate to today’s generation.
 
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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2018, 01:54:54 am »
Yeah I'm with you, while I haven't seen one, I don't have any love for the J.J. Abrams Star Trek movies. To me, they don't have the lore, the backstory, or the style like regular Star Trek.

However, the movies are just small blips of action, the real good stuff is in the Star Trek TV shows (not counting the load of whallock that is Star Trek: Discovery, appropriately abbreviated to STD). That's when you can really get into the action and be captivated.

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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2018, 03:30:42 am »
The whole reboot, beginning with the 2009 version, has been a disaster in my opinion. The only thing good about any of them are performances from a few of the actors.
 
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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2018, 08:30:02 am »
Today I sat down and decided to give the 2016 movie Star Trek: Beyond” a go. I suspended disappointment until I couldn’t take it any longer. I shut it off about halfway through. To remind myself, I started watching Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982?) and found myself captivated once more. Star Trek II did the job of telling a compelling story 36 years ago with a budget that was probably less than 5% of that which was allotted to the soulless piece of shite that is Star Trek: Beyond. In my opinion the two
films are incomparable. It’s like comparing The Godfather to something made as a YouTube special today. I was almost waiting for Chris Pine (I think that’s the actors name?) to say “Please like, share, subscribe and comment below!”
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Filmmaking is a lost art. I will never be able to relate to today’s generation.
You need to leave Hollywood and go watch these:
https://www.youtube.com/user/StarTrekContinues
More high quality full fan series exist...

And yes, film making has become too involved with the visual and audio illusion/effects, and less to do with creating and filming a truly embracing script.  Sadly, I can only find around 2 truly worthy movies a year nowadays where in the past, the number was closer to 10 a year.

Except for those around 2 movies a year, for the rest, I'm stuck in the trap just watch the big blockbusters for the action and ignore/expect a 0 story line.

As for story line and movie creativity, I just recently saw 'Beetlejuice' from 1988.  Wow, for a comedy oddball Halloween type flic, it roasts a good majority the crap being produced today.
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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2018, 09:56:13 am »
Star Trek original series: cheesy sci-fi, kirk beating the crap out of everything and chatting up the girls and not to forget, flashing lights.

Star Trek Next Generation (and derivatives from that universe): original story telling, engineering, politics, ethics, futurism and Picard. Lots of Picard. Everything that ticks it for me.

New Star Trek: pow pow zam zam boom bosh special effects, stupid settings, too much makeup, fisty kirk again, lax stories designed to cram a wankfest in a couple of hours. Also enterprise engine room was a fucking brewery - what?!?!?!?

I'm done. I'll watch the new stuff but only to rip it a new one.

This is reality:

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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2018, 12:31:28 pm »
Dont worry, they are in trouble with the films. All the Kirks quit and they appointed a director, who never made a movie (probably as a scapegoat).

I just dont understand why these companies like CBS just kill themselves while pushing a political agenda.
 

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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2018, 01:13:54 pm »
I tried to watch a bootleg copy of one of them also, I don't even remember which one.  Got part way though and quit.  I can't stand the "reboot" garbage.  Ick.

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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2018, 02:08:03 pm »
Somehow I never considered the new movies as part of Star Trek universe. I can stand them as standalone flick with no connection to anything other, and never as prequels or sequels to the series.
Also, obnoxious lens flares. :--
 
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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2018, 02:24:34 pm »
For me they lost me with a production brainstorming session that must have went something like this:

"So, how do we..."
"Bigger guns."
"Yeah, but, I haven't asked a question yet!"
"It doesn't matter. The answer is: bigger guns."
 
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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2018, 02:54:59 pm »
I can't honestly say I hated the newer star trek movies, I just didn't like them as much.
That fake film grain just feel wrong, as does a lot of the technology and styling.

The worse part of Insurrection was the interior of the ship, something they fixed by crashing it.
 

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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2018, 03:34:27 pm »
For me they lost me with a production brainstorming session that must have went something like this:

"So, how do we..."
"Bigger guns."
"Yeah, but, I haven't asked a question yet!"
"It doesn't matter. The answer is: bigger guns."
Mindless violence in lieu of compelling storytelling.
 
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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2018, 04:19:55 pm »
Somehow I never considered the new movies as part of Star Trek universe. I can stand them as standalone flick with no connection to anything other, and never as prequels or sequels to the series.
Also, obnoxious lens flares. :--
It's not. It is called the "Kelvin timeline" and it is considered to be in a separate universe altogether.
 
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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2018, 05:09:53 pm »
 This is SO typical Hollywood - J J Abrams even admitted he didn't like Star Trek, yet he signed on to direct the movies anyway. Sheesh. Granted he didn;t write the screenplay, so it's not all his fault, but did he REALLY put in his best effort if he didn't like the original material to begin with.

 ANd yes - do give a go to Star Trek Continues on YouTube. It's every bit as cheesy as the original series, but it ties in perfectly (some really nice surprises, too) and it clearly was done by people who love and appreciate what TOS was.  The only shame is that they had to end it per an agreement with Paramount or whoever the heck now owns the rights so they wouldn;t be sued out of existence.
 
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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2018, 05:15:08 pm »
This is SO typical Hollywood - J J Abrams even admitted he didn't like Star Trek, yet he  ANd yes - do give a go to Star Trek Continues on YouTube.

Damn straight!....

Very impressive for a shoestring-budget fan-funded production.

I really wish they had been allowed to continue.  I think it was a great follow-on to TOS.
(...and I'm not even really that much of a fan of TOS...)
 

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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2018, 05:21:40 pm »
I thought the new star treks were awesome but i paid to see them under the best conditions. If you watch it on some shitty home tv i can see a problem. They use scenery and action to tell a story.
 

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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2018, 07:14:50 pm »
I thought the new star treks were awesome but i paid to see them under the best conditions. If you watch it on some shitty home tv i can see a problem. They use scenery and action to tell a story.
I remember being far more moved watching Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan for the first time on a computer monitor and desktop speakers than I was sitting in theaters watching several of the new Abrams movies.

Maybe the problem is the lack of compelling chemistry between the actors. It was glowing and present in Star Trek II for obvious reasons. The acting made the movie. The story was tremendous.

Although to be honest I never cared for the original series, yet I did become a TNG aficionado. I really dread to see how JJ Abrams reimagines the TNG series for today. I hope it doesn't happen. TNG was the pinnacle of quality television, telling a great story with a minimum of flashiness, cursing and violence.
 

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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2018, 07:17:42 pm »
If he did that we’d probably have Vin Diesel playing Picard  :-DD
 
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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2018, 07:35:30 pm »
No. you're not alone. I watched the first reboot movie and sat through half of the second before leaving, I haven't even bothered watching the third one. Give me six or seven hours and I will quite happily watch Star Trek II-IV because they're damn good movies, made when someone cared about the final product.
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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2018, 07:49:18 pm »
Hollywood has passed it’s use by date, I walked away from it 10 years ago. This generation of film makers and musicians and artists and actors grew up in a different world to the generation that came before them and their creative output reflects their different world view.
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« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2018, 08:08:22 pm »
I actually liked the motion picture the best from all the star treks but other then the ones after Search for Spock and before First Contact I thought they were all great. I thought the new Khan was pretty badass. The wrath of khan had a bit of a glam metal feel to it with their looks but I liked it all the same.

The newer ones by JJ Abrams remind me of the old TOS episodes. But made into full length movies. And I prefer Kirk to Picard.

And some of the scenery from the new startreks is amazing. The scene where they are parachute jumping off the station... or seeing the enterprise crash land in 'into the darkness'. And they managed to make photon torpedos look cool. I did not think it was possible until into the darkness, it had interesting enough space combat to be similar to BSG. Granted in real life it might just end up with a bunch of crap painted completely black with lasers sneaking up on other crap painted black with lasers but still.
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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2018, 08:18:15 pm »
You need to leave Hollywood and go watch these:
https://www.youtube.com/user/StarTrekContinues
More high quality full fan series exist...

Also worth mentioning:

https://www.youtube.com/user/startrekphase2DE/videos

And, of course, there's the non-profit trailer that scared the stuffing out of Star Trek Inc. and caused them to kill the new fan shows - Prelude to Axanar.



 

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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2018, 08:29:02 pm »
I find that reboots and remakes, as well as sequels and prequels that are made numerous years after the original are almost always crap and have a completely different feel. The remakes are what I find most irritating because it creates confusion having multiple movies of the same name and storyline.
 

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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2018, 08:29:11 pm »
What scares me the most is that one of the new films is set to be directed by Tarantino. I think I pretty much hate everything he produced besides like 1/2 of pulp fiction. I wonder if its going to be in black and white with picard running around with a katana. The phasers might knock people back like 15 feet too. I bet all the people that hate new films are gonna love that one even more for the reasons cited in this thread :-\

I think he must have walked into the studio with a bag of 'gold myers flour' when he got the startrek directors role.

I know, maybe they will get stuck in the holodeck during a sin city or kill bill simulation. ugh. They need to drug test him on set daily.
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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2018, 08:40:38 pm »
The fan made videos and audio dramas provide much better entertainment: http://startrekreviewed.blogspot.com/
 

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Re: Please tell me I’m not alone (new Star Trek movies)
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2018, 01:02:58 am »
You’re not alone. I can’t stand anything JJ Abrams touches — to me, he’s like the King Midas of turning things to shit.

As for the (real) Star Trek, I’ll be a bit of a heretic and say that DS9 is my favorite, with it being a tie between TNG and VOY for second favorite, as TNG begins to really show its age (especially seasons 1-3). I enjoy TOS, but it never captivated me quite the same way as TNG and later did.

Discovery is looking promising. It has more lens flare than I’d choose, but the storytelling feels like proper Trek.

Enterprise... took a while to get off the ground and was killed more or less right as it began to find its stride.
 
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