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General => General Technical Chat => Topic started by: solarmist on September 04, 2013, 10:59:10 pm
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Hello all,
I just emailed Winfield Hill about the status of the third edition of Art of Electronics and they've finished writing it. They now in typesetting and it should be published by late spring/early summer next year (May 2014).
And it sounds like there will be a second volume to contain all the new material that wouldn't fit in the main work at a future date.
Hello Mr. Hill,
I hope everything is going well for you this year. I wanted to write once again to ask about the progress of the third edition of Art of Electronics. When we spoke last year you said you were planning on cutting off writing new material at some point last year if the writing didn't finish soon. Have you finished writing and moved on to editing yet?
Several people have contacted the publisher and have gotten responses to expect the book sometime around May 2014 (so a manuscript has been submitted and everyone is well into editing), but to me that feels like researcher's saying a new technology, like graphene transistors or brain to pc interfaces, should hit the market in the next 5-10 years. A great image, but not likely.
Where do you see the book in the pipeline? I'd like to share your opinion with the community again.
The complete 15-chapter book has gone through copy-
editing and we're doing our review pass now. Then on
to typesetting (editing of our TEX text, figure placement,
etc) and then galleys, etc. So next spring looks good.
They will be an additional five chapter eXtension
H&H AoE "x-chapter" book following in about a year
with new advance materials.
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Sounds promising, but I'm not holding my breath. The third edition has been just around the corner since forever. Will see when they are actually shipping books. The x-chapter book sounds interesting, though.
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True, but the uncertain part has always been the writing and that is now complete (for the main book), so the schedule could still slip by months, but it's no longer an issue of slipping by years any longer.
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Great news. Typesetting and proof-reading that thing will still take a while.
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Typesetting? Typesetting? They still do that in book publishing? ???
I would have assumed that part of the printing process is fairly quick and automated now.
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Mucking about with your latex to get it juuuust right can take some time every now and then. ;)
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Ha, I meant laying out the pages. Starting to show my age. Every little change that affects page length can have a flow-on effect which can be quite exponential.
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Ha, I meant laying out the pages. Starting to show my age. Every little change that affects page length can have a flow-on effect which can be quite exponential.
Are you saying that by adding a picture to the text, the reassignment of page numbers, references etc. takes more than 10 seconds on a computer?
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Ha, I meant laying out the pages. Starting to show my age. Every little change that affects page length can have a flow-on effect which can be quite exponential.
Are you saying that by adding a picture to the text, the reassignment of page numbers, references etc. takes more than 10 seconds on a computer?
No, but sometimes the physical number of pages is decided upon before final proofing which can cause problems.
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Ha, I meant laying out the pages. Starting to show my age. Every little change that affects page length can have a flow-on effect which can be quite exponential.
Are you saying that by adding a picture to the text, the reassignment of page numbers, references etc. takes more than 10 seconds on a computer?
As a graphic designer - the answer is yes, it does take more than 10 secs ;-)
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Ha, I meant laying out the pages. Starting to show my age. Every little change that affects page length can have a flow-on effect which can be quite exponential.
Are you saying that by adding a picture to the text, the reassignment of page numbers, references etc. takes more than 10 seconds on a computer?
Yes, deciding on size, layout and exact position takes time for each graphic, that doesn't include creating the graphic itself, which is often just a placeholder while writing. It could take hours for a single graph in the worst case.
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My wife edits etc books, had a bit of a chuckle when I said that the text just flows automatically.
The problem is that people use Word. For a few dozen pages it works, you get 800 pages of text, pictures and maths then it screws up big time on a regular basis, every few hours. And recovering is not an easy or quick job. Seems Word also doesn't understand multiple files per book, it all has to be in one huge, 50MB, file. Crap. Why not use another wordprocessor? Well, ask the author, you get what you are given and Word unfortunately is it.
Then you get authors who lay an equation out using spaces and underscores and smaller font sizes for powers.
Doesn't seem to have progressed beyond what Ventura managed a couple of decades ago.
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Quite a few books have been hammered out by lone authors in a relatively short amount of time with DocBook ... I have a few books done that way, perfectly functional ... but not pretty :)
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Do publishers really use Word for layout? Back when I was doing that stuff I would take the Word file, strip out all the formatting, import the text in DTP software, add formatting and place images. And yes, that would take more than 10 seconds ;).
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I wrote an 800 page book on embedded system programming about 6 years ago and did it all in Word. The publisher took the Word files and put them into Adobe InDesign for printing. (In fact, the InDesign layout and editing was sub-contracted to a one person shop and it took her about a month to do the layout and produce a PDF proof and then incorporate my edits.) The book had at least 200 drawings and photos, probably closer to 400, plus program snippets in different font and layout, etc.
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All that assuming that the person is very familiar with the tool. :)
Most word users know about 2% of what the program can do and that is enough. The same goes for all the other programs. If the user masters the software things can be accomplished rather quickly and yet putting together a manual or a book or even a flyer can be a tedious task where content is no problem but the cosmetics take most of the time.
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Do publishers really use Word for layout?
No, of course not. Read the post again, he was saying that authors submit manuscripts in Word. The big problem with that is how to handle authors' revisions... usually it's easiest to have them mark up paper proofs.
There's also a rule of publishing that states that the more work the author does to submit a production ready manuscript, the more likely it is that the publisher will decide to rekey it.
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Manuscripts should not contain in line equations, images, etc. These will have to be handled separately by the layout person anyhow, and using Word as a plain text editor with bold/italic hugely reduces its ability to mess things up.
For revisions PDF is a decent tool in my opinion.
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I just emailed Winfield Hill about the status of the third edition of Art of Electronics and they've finished writing it. They now in typesetting and it should be published by late spring/early summer next year (May 2014).
And it sounds like there will be a second volume to contain all the new material that wouldn't fit in the main work at a future date.
Wonder if this still holds true?
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Hello all,
I just emailed Winfield Hill about the status of the third edition of Art of Electronics and they've finished writing it. They now in typesetting and it should be published by late spring/early summer next year (May 2014).
I was just wondering if there are any updates.
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I think i found some info saying that the older book still would be good since some of the material are replaced, so in meantime I bought the 2nd edition.. it was huge.. :)
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I've emailed Winfield again and will update the forum when I hear back.
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I got a response from Winfield today.
For the last several months we have been going over
the 1400 figures, which were drafted in India. We're
editing them in Adobe Illustrator, and are 75% done.
Then, after a last pass on text edits, we'll be making
the index. This involves thinking of all the alternate
words blokes use to describe the same thing. About
that time CUP will start doing the page layout. Then
we'll have a galley proof to study and approve.
Looking on wikipedia Galley Proofs are limited runs used for proof reading and sometimes advance copies, so that should be the final step before mass publication.
That said it sounds like there's a minimum of months of work remaining, but it does sound like less than six months of work to my, untrained, ears, so I'd expect to hear a real release date in about five or six months or shortly after (since people are horrible at estimates and always underestimate everything).
I'd give a couple more months for reviewing the remaining figures, a few weeks for a last editing pass, and couple of months for the index, then a few weeks, maybe a month or two for proofreading. Then production would start and that would take a minimum of a few weeks to a couple months to build stock.
One article I found on Chronicle of Higher Education described hand building his index (completely after the fact) in a month. I'd expect some of this work to be done already and this to be a much large work, I'd expect two months there.
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I've done indices before, albeit on much smaller documents. Definitely the kind of thing that you should be thinking about as you're writing, rewriting and checking your paragraphs. And that's in a medium which supports references and hyperlinking (LaTeX).
Tim
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Thanks for checking.
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I've done indices before, albeit on much smaller documents. Definitely the kind of thing that you should be thinking about as you're writing, rewriting and checking your paragraphs. And that's in a medium which supports references and hyperlinking (LaTeX).
Tim
Yup, that's exactly what I meant by expect some of it to be done already, honestly I'd expect most with just some expansion for alternative phrasings of things.
Thanks for checking.
NP. I figure he'd rather hear rarely from a single person rather than often from many people.
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Too bad he hasn't heard of safari rough cuts. Can publish finished chapters, get feedback before final press.
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Too bad he hasn't heard of safari rough cuts. Can publish finished chapters, get feedback before final press.
Maybe it's lot of work?
But an ebook version would be nice, 2nd ed is nothing you drag around with you..
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Good news: Amazon.ca is now accepting pre-orders for the 3rd edition.
Bad news: it seems it is going to be published in one year: 30.October 2015!
check here:
http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/0521809266/ref=pe_11530_125040350_emwa_email_title_1 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/0521809266/ref=pe_11530_125040350_emwa_email_title_1)
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Good news: Amazon.ca is now accepting pre-orders for the 3rd edition.
Bad news: it seems it is going to be published in one year: 30.October 2015!
check here:
http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/0521809266/ref=pe_11530_125040350_emwa_email_title_1 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/0521809266/ref=pe_11530_125040350_emwa_email_title_1)
Darn. I've been looking forward to this edition. I guess I can wait a year.
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Good news: Amazon.ca is now accepting pre-orders for the 3rd edition.
Bad news: it seems it is going to be published in one year: 30.October 2015!
check here:
http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/0521809266/ref=pe_11530_125040350_emwa_email_title_1 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/0521809266/ref=pe_11530_125040350_emwa_email_title_1)
Ha! Amazon keeps doing that and dropping it. If the authors don't have a publish date Amazon's not gonna have a clue.
That said I've been touching base with Winfield every six months to a year.
Hi Mr. Hill,
I was just thinking it'd be nice to get the new edition for Christmas
and thought I'd send an email to see if that was realistic. Any chance
of seeing this on shelves this year? Or is page layout, indexing and
galley proofing still in process? Or have I complete messed up how
long things take in publishing a book this size?
Tell me about it! Right now we're going through the
book fixing errors. We're still few weeks away from
starting on the indexing, after that comes the page
layout and then the galleys to inspect.
They're telling us it may be on the streets by spring.
This is the first time he's mentioned an actual publish date coming back from the publishers, so that's good news, but he's been very optimistic every time I've talked to him, so I'd expect closer to summer or maybe even the fall date Amazon guessed at, but we're down to only three items left on the check list: Indexing, Layout and Proofing. So I do think next fall is likely an upper limit on the work left.
That said the last six months have been spent almost exclusively on fixing errors, so I certainly can't be confident in any predictions.
Indexing is a large difficult project, but probably not the size of editing and fixing error in the entire volume, so my guess is probably around 3 months or so.
Layout isn't huge deal normally, but this is a huge project so I'd expect it to take as long as indexing. If the authors aren't doing this themselves then it can be done concurrently with indexing. This article says it takes about a month to layout a normal book. http://www.stevenpressfield.com/2012/10/why-it-takes-so-long-to-publish-a-book/ (http://www.stevenpressfield.com/2012/10/why-it-takes-so-long-to-publish-a-book/). So maybe another three months for this tome.
Galley Proofs are the final approval of pages and last minute typo catches, so I'd expect another month or so.
Finally they have to do the actual print run and plan a release. I really hope they just push this through and do it in like a month to get it out.
That puts it at around 5-9 months of additional work left.
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Finally some hint from the publisher:
http://www.cambridge.org/at/academic/subjects/physics/electronics-physicists/art-electronics-3rd-edition (http://www.cambridge.org/at/academic/subjects/physics/electronics-physicists/art-electronics-3rd-edition)
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Finally some hint from the publisher:
http://www.cambridge.org/at/academic/subjects/physics/electronics-physicists/art-electronics-3rd-edition (http://www.cambridge.org/at/academic/subjects/physics/electronics-physicists/art-electronics-3rd-edition)
Now thats a good news... Its fast turning from unobtainium to something real... I do hope they will publish ebook version also.. If they do i will probably buy both, electronic and paper...
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"Planned for August 2015".
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"Jun 30 2015"!!!
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Oddly, it's available April 30th on amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/0521809266), and two months later, June 29th on amazon.co.uk (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/0521809266). Considering it's published by Cambridge University Press I would have thought the UK would be the first market.
At least it's available for £46.13 in the UK vs $108.00 in the USA, which is also a strange turn of events. Publishers usually have a rip off exchange rate of $1 = £1 in my experience.
I think I'll get my UK pre-order in before amazon change their mind! :-+
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I have just preordered mine.
Amazon.es doesn't list it.
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According to the publishers (CUP), the hardback will be £60 and it is not available until June. The hardback 2nd edition is £80 :)
http://www.cambridge.org/gb/academic/subjects/physics/electronics-physicists/art-electronics-3rd-edition?format=HB (http://www.cambridge.org/gb/academic/subjects/physics/electronics-physicists/art-electronics-3rd-edition?format=HB)
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According to the publishers (CUP), the hardback will be £60 and it is not available until June. The hardback 2nd edition is £80 :)
http://www.cambridge.org/gb/academic/subjects/physics/electronics-physicists/art-electronics-3rd-edition?format=HB (http://www.cambridge.org/gb/academic/subjects/physics/electronics-physicists/art-electronics-3rd-edition?format=HB)
Good to see UK price confirmation from the publisher. It's a bit higher than the pre-order price on amazon.co.uk (which makes it look like mispricing), but even without amazon.co.uk's discount it is still a pretty penny cheaper than the price asked in other countries...
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Does anyone have any idea if there will be a big difference in the 3rd edition compared to the 2nd edition? For example, will it be easier to understand for a beginner? I'm just starting on the 2nd edition which is quite old (1989?) but I'm sure very useful. However, I am wondering if I should wait to get the 3rd if it will make the concepts easier to understand or if the 2nd edition is sufficient.
Any thoughts? I am not keen on waiting so I think I will read the 2nd edition anyways, unless I know the 3rd is around the corner which is hard to predict. I see it listed here but not yet available:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/product-description/0521809266/ref=dp_proddesc_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books (http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/product-description/0521809266/ref=dp_proddesc_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books)
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However, I am wondering if I should wait to get the 3rd if it will make the concepts easier to understand or if the 2nd edition is sufficient.
The 2nd will have stuff the 3rd won't, so you'll still need it as a resource.
As for how much easier, I think it will be pretty much the same, just covering newer and more stuff.
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I wouldn't class it as a beginners title, while it is not that maths heavy it does take a certain amount of existing understanding of the subject to follow it.
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Thanks for the quick reply. I will start then on the 2nd edition and brush up on the topics as I encounter each one by one. I see it is quite widely available and relatively inexpensive for such a large volume. Provided the 3rd won't really be any easier to understand, there will be no advantage to waiting.
I've also recently subscribed to Colin Mitchell's Talking Electronics site (thanks to Dave for reviewing it in a recent Mailbag) so I am running through his material and waiting for the kit to arrive from Australia (not Austria!). Can't wait to see what I get and build something!
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Personally I think Colin Mitchell's Talking Electronics approach is much better for beginners. It just seems to be easier for most people to learn by building simple example circuits and figuring out how and why they work. Then later delve deeper into the theory behind them. Learning electronics starting with the theory first I think is a lot harder.
the one exception is learning ohms law is something worth doing from the outset.
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Personally I think Colin Mitchell's Talking Electronics approach is much better for beginners. It just seems to be easier for most people to learn by building simple example circuits and figuring out how and why they work. Then later delve deeper into the theory behind them. Learning electronics starting with the theory first I think is a lot harder.
the one exception is learning ohms law is something worth doing from the outset.
If you only aspire to be a tinkerer, and there's nothing wrong with that, then I think your approach isn't wrong. But if you aspire to being an innovative engineer that can make circuits "right first time", then it is highly beneficial to iterate between theory and practice from day one.
Concentrating solely on the practical without understanding the theory (including the theory of messy practical components) leads to frustration and random tinkering in the vain hope of improving a circuit. That's fine if you want to demonstrate darwinian evolution, but not if you have limited time and patience!
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I'm just getting through the first chapter and trying to intuitively understand differentiators and integrators. Thevevin equivalent circuits I take at face value having not done the math yet. But using RC circuits and flipping the position of the R and C and why it behaves the way it does I am still working to grasp. I am thinking when C is connected to ground, it essentially allows the one side of the cap to charge which keeps building up or integrating the source. When the C is flipped with the R (which is now downstream of the cap and draining it to ground) the C acts like a filter allowing high frequency edges like in a square wave to make it through while low ones don't. So the faster the rate of change on the signal the more voltage the signal gets. I hope I am understanding this correctly. You are right, it is a great book and very dense with fundamentals which I need to know in addition to tinkering.
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I'm just getting through the first chapter and trying to intuitively understand differentiators and integrators. Thevevin equivalent circuits I take at face value having not done the math yet. But using RC circuits and flipping the position of the R and C and why it behaves the way it does I am still working to grasp. I am thinking when C is connected to ground, it essentially allows the one side of the cap to charge which keeps building up or integrating the source. When the C is flipped with the R (which is now downstream of the cap and draining it to ground) the C acts like a filter allowing high frequency edges like in a square wave to make it through while low ones don't. So the faster the rate of change on the signal the more voltage the signal gets. I hope I am understanding this correctly. You are right, it is a great book and very dense with fundamentals which I need to know in addition to tinkering.
Look at the maths, then all will become clear. That's the real advantage of "theory" - it enables you to visualise new and different possibilites.
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Does anyone have any idea if there will be a big difference in the 3rd edition compared to the 2nd edition? For example, will it be easier to understand for a beginner? I'm just starting on the 2nd edition which is quite old (1989?) but I'm sure very useful. However, I am wondering if I should wait to get the 3rd if it will make the concepts easier to understand or if the 2nd edition is sufficient.
Any thoughts? I am not keen on waiting so I think I will read the 2nd edition anyways, unless I know the 3rd is around the corner which is hard to predict. I see it listed here but not yet available:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/product-description/0521809266/ref=dp_proddesc_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books (http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/product-description/0521809266/ref=dp_proddesc_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books)
I've talked to the author a few times and although this is a new edition it seems like it's almost volume 2 rather than 3rd edition. I.e. there's going to be a significant amount of material that's covered in 2nd and not in 3rd and visa-versa. He's specifically mentioned that you're going to want to have a copy of 2 ed. along with 3 ed.
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Oddly, it's available April 30th on amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/0521809266), and two months later, June 29th on amazon.co.uk (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/0521809266). Considering it's published by Cambridge University Press I would have thought the UK would be the first market.
If they are producing a proper UK version it will require translation from US English. Maybe that's where the delay comes from.
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I just pre-ordered the AOE, 3rd edition on amazon.de.
Although i have already many books about electronics fundamentals, i think, it would do no harm, if i get an aggregation on electronics and practices and a good reference, and, besides of that, i love encyclopedic-like publications, where i can imagine to have a concise book, which covers broad fundamentals. (It´s the same with "The art of programming", although i´ve never worked a lot with this edition (or the "Brockhaus" in 23 volumes)). I know, that i have to get rid of "outdated" books to release space in the shelf.
Thank you solarmist for the correspondence with the author and the information.
regards
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https://blog.adafruit.com/2015/01/29/breaking-news-the-art-of-electronics-3rd-edition-by-horowitz-hill-hardcover-third-edition/ (https://blog.adafruit.com/2015/01/29/breaking-news-the-art-of-electronics-3rd-edition-by-horowitz-hill-hardcover-third-edition/)]
Picture is fake but, I am sure the real hardcover will be just as heavy.
I'll wait for the Kindle version :)
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Just noticed from Daves amazon.com link (http://amzn.to/1wC7IwY) that the US price has dropped from $108 to just $79 :-+ All existing pre-orders should be price guaranteed.
The UK price is still only £46 but we do not pay VAT on books in the UK.
I hope the EUR price also drops for all our European friends too, though I believe the rest of the EU has to pay VAT at 20-25% on books which seems a bit Dr. Evil to me.
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For my Austalian friends. Price drop hasnt updated. See if things improve towards release.
https://booko.com.au/9780521809269/The-Art-of-Electronics
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I'm guessing pre-order demand had been good, so they're able to do a bigger print run to bring the price down.
Glad that Amazon has the pre-order price guarantee. :-+
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Just noticed from Daves amazon.com link (http://amzn.to/1wC7IwY) that the US price has dropped from $108 to just $79 :-+ All existing pre-orders should be price guaranteed.
The UK price is still only £46 but we do not pay VAT on books in the UK.
I hope the EUR price also drops for all our European friends too, though I believe the rest of the EU has to pay VAT at 20-25% on books which seems a bit Dr. Evil to me.
Amazon.de price has already corrected their pre-order price to 80,88 Euro, making almost as cheap as the amazon.co.uk offer (£54.45 for delivery to Germany).
Amazon France does not (yet?) have adjusted their pre-order price, which currently still is 112 EUR. But i guess that they too will adjust their price soon.
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I'm hoping a pdf will come out, eventually. or some e-book.
on the amazon link, there is a clickable link to tell the publisher you want to see a kindle version. please consider clicking that so that we get more votes to have an electronic copy (which will be searchable!). kindle files can be ported to non-kindles, too, of course.
I can't remember the last time I bought a paper edition book. 10 or 20 or even more years ago! collecting deadtree editions is just a non-starter for me. I have enough clutter at home already ;)
and as for workbench use, I often print pages that I might need on my laser printer and bring them to my bench. less bulk on the bench and I can write on the pages if need be. so, books don't really do much for me, in physical form.
maybe if enough people tell amazon they want an ebook version, we'll have that extra choice.
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I'm just getting through the first chapter and trying to intuitively understand differentiators and integrators. Thevevin equivalent circuits I take at face value having not done the math yet. But using RC circuits and flipping the position of the R and C and why it behaves the way it does I am still working to grasp. I am thinking when C is connected to ground, it essentially allows the one side of the cap to charge which keeps building up or integrating the source. When the C is flipped with the R (which is now downstream of the cap and draining it to ground) the C acts like a filter allowing high frequency edges like in a square wave to make it through while low ones don't. So the faster the rate of change on the signal the more voltage the signal gets. I hope I am understanding this correctly. You are right, it is a great book and very dense with fundamentals which I need to know in addition to tinkering.
Look at the maths, then all will become clear. That's the real advantage of "theory" - it enables you to visualise new and different possibilites.
Maths alone doesn't always help. There were plenty of people at college who were better at maths than me but didn't seem to understand the basic principles so well.
If you know about potential difference and really understand Ohm's law, RC circuits aren't that difficult to understand, even if your grasp of calculus is poor.
If doesn't matter which way round the capacitor and resistor are connected. When the power is initially applied, the capacitor initially behaves like a piece of wire, so the full supply voltage will appear across the resistor. Then as the capacitor charges, it develops a potential difference across it which counteracts the supply voltage, causing the current to fall towards zero. The current though the resistor falls exponentially because the more the capacitor charges, the slower it charges because the voltage developed across it opposes the supply voltage.
If you don't understand that, the hydraulic analogy explains this. Firstly think of a tank filled water with a hole in the bottom, plugged with a bung. When the bung is first removed, the water will flow very quickly but as the water pressure falls, the flow rate will slow down. If you plot a graph of the height of the water level, you'll find it decays exponentially.
This will work in reverse if you pump the water back into the tank through the same hole, using a pump which only generates enough pressure to fill the tank but not overfill it: the flow rate will reduce exponentially until the back pressure by the water in the tank equals the pressure generated by the pump.
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I'm just getting through the first chapter and trying to intuitively understand differentiators and integrators. Thevevin equivalent circuits I take at face value having not done the math yet. But using RC circuits and flipping the position of the R and C and why it behaves the way it does I am still working to grasp. I am thinking when C is connected to ground, it essentially allows the one side of the cap to charge which keeps building up or integrating the source. When the C is flipped with the R (which is now downstream of the cap and draining it to ground) the C acts like a filter allowing high frequency edges like in a square wave to make it through while low ones don't. So the faster the rate of change on the signal the more voltage the signal gets. I hope I am understanding this correctly. You are right, it is a great book and very dense with fundamentals which I need to know in addition to tinkering.
Look at the maths, then all will become clear. That's the real advantage of "theory" - it enables you to visualise new and different possibilites.
Maths alone doesn't always help.
Never claimed it would.
In the context of this conversation, as quoted above, my statement remains valid.
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Just noticed from Daves amazon.com link (http://amzn.to/1wC7IwY) that the US price has dropped from $108 to just $79 :-+ All existing pre-orders should be price guaranteed.
The UK price is still only £46 but we do not pay VAT on books in the UK.
I hope the EUR price also drops for all our European friends too, though I believe the rest of the EU has to pay VAT at 20-25% on books which seems a bit Dr. Evil to me.
Amazon.de price has already corrected their pre-order price to 80,88 Euro, making almost as cheap as the amazon.co.uk offer (£54.45 for delivery to Germany).
Amazon France does not (yet?) have adjusted their pre-order price, which currently still is 112 EUR. But i guess that they too will adjust their price soon.
At the moment the US price + shipping is still cheaper than buying on an Europe Amazon with free shipping (3 euro cheaper than what amazon.de asks after their price drop).
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At the moment the US price + shipping is still cheaper than buying on an Europe Amazon with free shipping (3 euro cheaper than what amazon.de asks after their price drop).
No, not at all.
Ordering the book at Amazon.com with a delivery address in Europe costs about USD 87.
USD 87 = EUR 77.
USD 87 = GBP 58. Compare this with the amazon.co.uk price of GBP 46.20 (Brits have 0% VAT on books). Erm...
Ordering the book from amazon.co.uk to German delivery address costs £54.45. This includes 7% VAT. Adjustment to Belgian 6% VAT makes £53.95 (i assume shipping costs will remain the same). This is about EUR 72.
If you pay with credit card you might need to add a fee because of payment in GBP (depending on the terms of your CC institute). Assuming this fee being 2% you will end up with a price of EUR 73.44 that is being deducted from your CC account.
So, as a European do you really want to order from amazon.com?
Even in the possible best case scenario (i.e., your customs office not collecting VAT) Amazon.com is still more expensive than amazon.co.uk.
Note that the calculated amazon.co.uk prices i wrote in red already include shipping costs and VAT(!).
The meager saving of 3 Euro you mentioned compared to amazon.de you only get if you have a lazy customs office which does not collect VAT, and if there are no additional credit card fees involved. If your customs office is not totally incompetent, it will charge you with the VAT, lifting the amazon.com purchase cost above the amazon.de price.
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So Cambridge Press are going to send me a review copy in May, because, well, I'm Australian, and it's not released in Australia until June ::)
It seems they don't quite understand the global market and what reach a youtube channel has.. :palm: :clap:
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Can you buy it? Or they won't ship to Australia?
Alexander.
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Dave doesn't need to buy it - he gets "everything" for free :-DD
For the rest of us in Australia, we can just order it from amazon.com and get it in May also (and probably cheaper than locally, even with the crap AUD exchange rate).
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Just noticed from Daves amazon.com link (http://amzn.to/1wC7IwY) that the US price has dropped from $108 to just $79 :-+ All existing pre-orders should be price guaranteed.
Interesting... it seems to have gone back up to $108
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It seems they don't quite understand the global market and what reach a youtube channel has.. :palm: :clap:
You have an excellent means of educating them at your disposal :)
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Can you buy it?
I already have a pre-order on Amazon. Just trying to get one pre-release.
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Does it help to remind them your key demographic is U.S.? ...And Germany? :-DD
Tim
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Just noticed from Daves amazon.com link (http://amzn.to/1wC7IwY) that the US price has dropped from $108 to just $79 :-+ All existing pre-orders should be price guaranteed.
Interesting... it seems to have gone back up to $108
The US site is also charging that $108 now.
Amazons pricing algorithm probably saw all these orders and realized it can charge more.
Thankfully I locked one in at the lower price
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I think the cutoff for insta-buy was under $150USD for me. That's what I expected it to come out at anyway.
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Just received an update from Amazon.uk:
Estimated arrival date changed from July 10 to May 7.
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Just received an update from Amazon.uk:
Estimated arrival date changed from July 10 to May 7.
Same here - was July7th/9th, is now May 8th/11th
Exciting!
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First reviews are available now:
http://www.cambridge.org/at/academic/subjects/physics/electronics-physicists/art-electronics-3rd-edition?format=HB (http://www.cambridge.org/at/academic/subjects/physics/electronics-physicists/art-electronics-3rd-edition?format=HB)
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First reviews are available now:
http://www.cambridge.org/at/academic/subjects/physics/electronics-physicists/art-electronics-3rd-edition?format=HB (http://www.cambridge.org/at/academic/subjects/physics/electronics-physicists/art-electronics-3rd-edition?format=HB)
Seeing as one of the 'advance' reviewers quoted is the late Jim Williams, that must have been reviewed well in advance! I presume that chapter 5 was the first written sample chapter for the publisher.
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Just been notified by Amazon that the Dispatch date has been brought forward from July 6th to May 7th. :-+
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Just been notified by Amazon that the Dispatch date has been brought forward from July 6th to May 7th. :-+
Now due to arrive on my doorstep in April :)
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amazon.co.uk no longer offering discount now. It's back up to £60. Release date 30th April.
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I suggest US guys place preorders on the amazon.ca store if they can.
Amazon.com currently lists the book at USD 114 while Amazon.ca has it for $105.80, in CURRENTLY CRAPPY CANADIAN DOLLARS which should cost you about 75-80c each...
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Book depository is currently the cheapest for AUS customers, and possibly everywhere else. Currently at AUD $105.34, USD $81.82 and £53.69 including worldwide shipping. Works out to about the same as Amazon.com price with shipping back when it was USD ~$77. Sorry Dave I will try to order through your link if the Amazon price drops again otherwise I will stick with book depository:
http://www.bookdepository.com/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/9780521809269 (http://www.bookdepository.com/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/9780521809269)
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I´ve just got an information from amazon, they told me, that the book will be delivered to me in germany at 5th of May. (I pay 66€ (about 74 USD) )
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I've seen a chapter from the AoE 3rd Edition (all 100 pages of it), and can confirm the holy books awesomeness! :-+
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It seems they'll gonna publish it only as physical book and not as ebook.
Does anybody know why?
I'd love to have full text search, the ability to access it from anywhere without carrying it around, and not have it wasting space on my shelves.
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I also sneaked into the sample chapter.. very nice... (ordered already, w/o seeing that before!)
We also have something similar in Germany, the electronics bible "Halbleiter-Schaltungstechnik" (semiconductor circuits techniques) from Tietze - Schenk, 14th edition, quite academic style, and also heavy (> 1800 pages).
The AoE is much more light-footed, and provides much more applied electronics.
Can't expect to receive my exemplar in May!
Frank
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For those in the US, here's a book search engine link (shows the lowest price available): http://www.addall.com/New/submitNew.cgi?query=9780521809269&type=ISBN&location=10000&state=MT&dispCurr=USD (http://www.addall.com/New/submitNew.cgi?query=9780521809269&type=ISBN&location=10000&state=MT&dispCurr=USD)
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Thanks! Very useful link. :-+
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New arrival date from Amazon: april 15.
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For me: Est. May 26-Jun 15
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For me: just updated to April 16th - 18th
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I have just been informed that the release date is April 15th, it begins to look like a Dutch auction on the release date.
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I have just been informed that the release date is April 15th, it begins to look like a Dutch auction on the release date.
Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/0521809266/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1427302710&sr=8-1&keywords=art+of+electronics+3rd+edition) is saying 31 March! As in next week!
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I have just been informed that the release date is April 15th, it begins to look like a Dutch auction on the release date.
Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/0521809266/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1427302710&sr=8-1&keywords=art+of+electronics+3rd+edition) is saying 31 March! As in next week!
Great!, In an Norwegian online bookstore the book was already orderable, so I ordered it now.. :)
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We're not worthy, we're not worthy, we're not worthy...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBAGhTvUgAAiyNy.jpg:large)
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I wish we could find someone to review the book. Anyone of note getting an advanced copy?
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I wish we could find someone to review the book. Anyone of note getting an advanced copy?
Do you really need a review with Dave's endorsement picture above?
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Can a worshipper be an unbiased reviewer? ???
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Can a worshipper be an unbiased reviewer? ???
No. Next video will be how to build a a shrine for the book, out of old crap from the dumpster room and plywood from bunnings.
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The original AoE is one of the few electronics books (in addition to Diefenderfer) that sits on my bookshelf collecting dust. Does the third edition really live up to the hype?
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We're not worthy, we're not worthy, we're not worthy...
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image... Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them..."
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Will it have an ebook version? Being in Brazil it will be very hard (and very pricey) to get a hard printed copy.
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Book depository is currently the cheapest for AUS customers, and possibly everywhere else. Currently at AUD $105.34, USD $81.82 and £53.69 including worldwide shipping. Works out to about the same as Amazon.com price with shipping back when it was USD ~$77. Sorry Dave I will try to order through your link if the Amazon price drops again otherwise I will stick with book depository:
http://www.bookdepository.com/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/9780521809269 (http://www.bookdepository.com/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/9780521809269)
Bookdepository has now gone up to $131.57, but fishpond is still at $104.
http://www.fishpond.com.au/Books/Art-of-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz-Winfield-Hill/9780521809269 (http://www.fishpond.com.au/Books/Art-of-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz-Winfield-Hill/9780521809269)
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pre ordered it from amazon.de for €76.- :)
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Amazon changed date to 15th of April. :-+
Price is still 66.95€ :-+ :-+
Preordered in January
Frank 8)
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Mine arrived on Saturday!
(http://sdgelectronics.co.uk/images/eev/artofelec3.png)
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I have just been notified by Amazon that mine has been dispatched :)
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I sure hope there's just a little little bit of padding material in the parcel. I think it's the one thing that really pisses me off with Amazon.
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Why is it so much cheaper in Europe? 66 euros? 76 euros? That's roughly 30 dollars cheaper than Amazon.com is listing it for.
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Finally something that is cheaper here than in the US most stuff esp. Home electronics is much cheaper in the US ;)
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Why is it so much cheaper in Europe? 66 euros? 76 euros? That's roughly 30 dollars cheaper than Amazon.com is listing it for.
Well, the publisher is British.
The Book Depository (based in the UK but now owned by Amazon) is currently (http://www.bookdepository.com/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/9780521809269) selling it for $89 with free worldwide delivery.
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Why is it so much cheaper in Europe? 66 euros? 76 euros? That's roughly 30 dollars cheaper than Amazon.com is listing it for.
Well, the publisher is British.
The Book Depository (based in the UK but now owned by Amazon) is currently (http://www.bookdepository.com/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/9780521809269) selling it for $89 with free worldwide delivery.
Thanks!
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The Book Depository (based in the UK but now owned by Amazon)
Wait, what? I did not know that. Yet their prices are consistently cheaper than buying from Amazon. I feel like I've been Marketed to.
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Gee the price of this book changes by the hour, investors will start speculating soon.
I got a copy for $104AU from Fishpond, it then went down to about $100AU, now it's at $126AU!!! So now Book Depository is cheaper again at $120AU :o
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Just a question, from looking at the table of contents there is a section on switching power supplies. Did the 2nd edition have this as well?
3rd Ed. Table of Contents: http://artofelectronics.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/AoE_3e_table-of-contents.pdf (http://artofelectronics.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/AoE_3e_table-of-contents.pdf)
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Just a question, from looking at the table of contents there is a section on switching power supplies. Did the 2nd edition have this as well?
3rd Ed. Table of Contents: http://artofelectronics.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/AoE_3e_table-of-contents.pdf (http://artofelectronics.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/AoE_3e_table-of-contents.pdf)
Very briefly. Basic operation is explained, but there isn't enough detail on how to actually design one.
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Is the bold part still true?
Are there plans for translations to other languages such as Spanish?
Hello all,
I just emailed Winfield Hill about the status of the third edition of Art of Electronics and they've finished writing it. They now in typesetting and it should be published by late spring/early summer next year (May 2014).
And it sounds like there will be a second volume to contain all the new material that wouldn't fit in the main work at a future date.
Hello Mr. Hill,
I hope everything is going well for you this year. I wanted to write once again to ask about the progress of the third edition of Art of Electronics. When we spoke last year you said you were planning on cutting off writing new material at some point last year if the writing didn't finish soon. Have you finished writing and moved on to editing yet?
Several people have contacted the publisher and have gotten responses to expect the book sometime around May 2014 (so a manuscript has been submitted and everyone is well into editing), but to me that feels like researcher's saying a new technology, like graphene transistors or brain to pc interfaces, should hit the market in the next 5-10 years. A great image, but not likely.
Where do you see the book in the pipeline? I'd like to share your opinion with the community again.
The complete 15-chapter book has gone through copy-
editing and we're doing our review pass now. Then on
to typesetting (editing of our TEX text, figure placement,
etc) and then galleys, etc. So next spring looks good.
They will be an additional five chapter eXtension
H&H AoE "x-chapter" book following in about a year
with new advance materials.
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Just a question, from looking at the table of contents there is a section on switching power supplies. Did the 2nd edition have this as well?
3rd Ed. Table of Contents: http://artofelectronics.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/AoE_3e_table-of-contents.pdf (http://artofelectronics.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/AoE_3e_table-of-contents.pdf)
Very briefly. Basic operation is explained, but there isn't enough detail on how to actually design one.
To me that's not a problem. The virtue of TAoE is that it gives you enough information that you can understand a very wide range of topics in sufficient detail that
- you know whether you can ignore the topic, or need to understand it (see comment below)
- you can understand where the dragons lie
- when you are "surprised", you have a starting point for figuring out how to remove the surprise
- most importantly, you know the questions you need to ask and answer when you delve into the topic
There's no way any one book could teach you the depth of all the topics, and there's no need for that anyway! There are many many detailed topics very readily available on the web.
Nowadays the key learning skill is being albe to quickly decide which information you can safely ignore. Before the web the key skill was in being able to glean the maximum from whatever information you could locate.
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Is the bold part still true?
Kind of true. I don't have the book yet, but in the freely available chapter 9 there are a few references like "We explore this important topic further in §9x.4".
So I guess the structure of this X-File book is already fixed. However, in the post where Hill released chapter 9, the planned date "about a year" has changed to "in a few years".
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Is the bold part still true?
Kind of true. I don't have the book yet, but in the freely available chapter 9 there are a few references like "We explore this important topic further in §9x.4".
So I guess the structure of this X-File book is already fixed. However, in the post where Hill released chapter 9, the planned date "about a year" has changed to "in a few years".
It's a shame it took so many years to finish and they do this. They wmshould have divided the book in two or more volumes and merge the student manual with it.
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Just a question, from looking at the table of contents there is a section on switching power supplies. Did the 2nd edition have this as well?
3rd Ed. Table of Contents: http://artofelectronics.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/AoE_3e_table-of-contents.pdf (http://artofelectronics.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/AoE_3e_table-of-contents.pdf)
Very briefly. Basic operation is explained, but there isn't enough detail on how to actually design one.
Ok thanks, I guess there is no rush for me to get the 2nd edition then. ;)
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It arrived today, so I will be a bit distracted for the rest of Easter.
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Just a question, from looking at the table of contents there is a section on switching power supplies. Did the 2nd edition have this as well?
3rd Ed. Table of Contents: http://artofelectronics.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/AoE_3e_table-of-contents.pdf (http://artofelectronics.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/AoE_3e_table-of-contents.pdf)
Very briefly. Basic operation is explained, but there isn't enough detail on how to actually design one.
To me that's not a problem. The virtue of TAoE is that it gives you enough information that you can understand a very wide range of topics in sufficient detail that
- you know whether you can ignore the topic, or need to understand it (see comment below)
- you can understand where the dragons lie
- when you are "surprised", you have a starting point for figuring out how to remove the surprise
- most importantly, you know the questions you need to ask and answer when you delve into the topic
There's no way any one book could teach you the depth of all the topics, and there's no need for that anyway! There are many many detailed topics very readily available on the web.
Nowadays the key learning skill is being albe to quickly decide which information you can safely ignore. Before the web the key skill was in being able to glean the maximum from whatever information you could locate.
It wasn't a criticism. I was merely answering the question.
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What is going on with this book... just shot up from $88 to $110 on bookdepository... shouldn't have waited, I guess.
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What is going on with this book... just shot up from $88 to $110 on bookdepository... shouldn't have waited, I guess.
Strange, for me it still shows USD$82.16, which includes a 7% discount... (I have not created an account there.)
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What is going on with this book... just shot up from $88 to $110 on bookdepository... shouldn't have waited, I guess.
Strange, for me it still shows USD$82.16, which includes a 7% discount... (I have not created an account there.)
Very strange indeed. Still showing $110 for me. I think we should start speculating... as someone else suggested.
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What is going on with this book... just shot up from $88 to $110 on bookdepository... shouldn't have waited, I guess.
Strange, for me it still shows USD$82.16, which includes a 7% discount... (I have not created an account there.)
Very strange indeed. Still showing $110 for me. I think we should start speculating... as someone else suggested.
Well, if i switch to Australian Dollar, then it will show $108 :)
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Hi all, this was the thread I was following in anticipation for the book release, admittedly only a reader and not a member of the forums here. Just wanted to say thanks to all those that shared updates and other information. I per-ordered my book back in November 2014 from Amazon.ca, and it arrive yesterday, April 7, 2015. I did an unboxing and quick flip through of the 3rd edition, which you can check out here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84NNqCwV2Ok (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84NNqCwV2Ok)
I'm still a student. I don't have Dave's finesse or electrical background but tried to comment as a noob anyway.
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Just ordered AoE 2 (£19 used hardcover) and AoE 3 (£53 from Amazon).
Looking forward to delving inside these much respected books :-+
Aurora
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$79.17 from SuperBookDeals via Amazon.com
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$79.17 from SuperBookDeals via Amazon.com
DO NOT ORDER FROM THIS SELLER!!!! I placed an order on the 12th at a price of $77 + S&H. Today, I received a notice that my order has been canceled due to the book being "out of stock". Upon visiting their seller store today, I see that the book is still listed as in stock, but the price has gone up $20. Very unscrupulous seller -- unwilling to honor a sale having already taken my money.
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$79.17 from SuperBookDeals via Amazon.com
DO NOT ORDER FROM THIS SELLER!!!! I placed an order on the 12th at a price of $77 + S&H. Today, I received a notice that my order has been canceled due to the book being "out of stock". Upon visiting their seller store today, I see that the book is still listed as in stock, but the price has gone up $20. Very unscrupulous seller -- unwilling to honor a sale having already taken my money.
I received a confirmation from Amazon that my copy was shipped on the 9th. Warning sign though of no package tracking info available, with package delivery between 15 and 30 April. I'll let you know if I receive the book.
Best to leave negative feedback with Amazon if you already haven't done so. Just be specific in your complaint.
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My AoE 3 arrived yesterday from Amazon. Packing was nothing special....a box slightly bigger than the book and some crushed thick packing paper on top of it. Little edge damage though.
No chance to read any of it yet but it is certainly quite a tome !
Still awaiting delivery of my used copy of AoE 2 to compare with it.
Glad to have got a copy of this book as, if it lives up to its reputation on this forum, it will be very useful in the years ahead.
Aurora
UK
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$79.17 from SuperBookDeals via Amazon.com
DO NOT ORDER FROM THIS SELLER!!!! I placed an order on the 12th at a price of $77 + S&H. Today, I received a notice that my order has been canceled due to the book being "out of stock". Upon visiting their seller store today, I see that the book is still listed as in stock, but the price has gone up $20. Very unscrupulous seller -- unwilling to honor a sale having already taken my money.
I received a confirmation from Amazon that my copy was shipped on the 9th. Warning sign though of no package tracking info available, with package delivery between 15 and 30 April. I'll let you know if I receive the book.
Best to leave negative feedback with Amazon if you already haven't done so. Just be specific in your complaint.
I will be leaving negative feedback for sure. I also chatted with Amazon and they're gonna sell me a copy for the same price. Amazon CS is second to none IMO.
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$79.17 from SuperBookDeals via Amazon.com
DO NOT ORDER FROM THIS SELLER!!!! I placed an order on the 12th at a price of $77 + S&H. Today, I received a notice that my order has been canceled due to the book being "out of stock". Upon visiting their seller store today, I see that the book is still listed as in stock, but the price has gone up $20. Very unscrupulous seller -- unwilling to honor a sale having already taken my money.
I received a confirmation from Amazon that my copy was shipped on the 9th. Warning sign though of no package tracking info available, with package delivery between 15 and 30 April. I'll let you know if I receive the book.
Best to leave negative feedback with Amazon if you already haven't done so. Just be specific in your complaint.
I will be leaving negative feedback for sure. I also chatted with Amazon and they're gonna sell me a copy for the same price. Amazon CS is second to none IMO.
Glad to know you got some satisfaction out of the deal. Why people have to make life so unnecessarily complicated, I will never really understand.
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Mine came last week.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Mine arrived last week, and became my birthday present!
Wow, so much to read....
Ozwolf
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$79.17 from SuperBookDeals via Amazon.com
DO NOT ORDER FROM THIS SELLER!!!! I placed an order on the 12th at a price of $77 + S&H. Today, I received a notice that my order has been canceled due to the book being "out of stock". Upon visiting their seller store today, I see that the book is still listed as in stock, but the price has gone up $20. Very unscrupulous seller -- unwilling to honor a sale having already taken my money.
I received a confirmation from Amazon that my copy was shipped on the 9th. Warning sign though of no package tracking info available, with package delivery between 15 and 30 April. I'll let you know if I receive the book.
Best to leave negative feedback with Amazon if you already haven't done so. Just be specific in your complaint.
I will be leaving negative feedback for sure. I also chatted with Amazon and they're gonna sell me a copy for the same price. Amazon CS is second to none IMO.
I got mine from them. It took 3 weeks for it to arrive, and they packaged it in a really flimsy way, so the cover got beat up. I left negative feedback, but overall I got this great book at a significant discount; and I heard that Amazon's own packaging was also below standards for many people.
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I just got my copy from Amazon UK - £55 incl shipping to DK
/Bingo
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It would be interesting to know if anybody who got his copy recently, already received the 2nd printing.
It should be indicated on the copyright page (one of the first pages of the book). Or you could look at page 37, figure 1.78. In the 1st printing it has a very obvious error with two diodes in parallel (the text makes it clear that the intention is to have them anti-parallel). This should certainly be fixed in the 2nd printing. And other errors too, here is the errata list:
http://artofelectronics.net/errata/ (http://artofelectronics.net/errata/)
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Yowser ! Lots of errors in the published version :o
I thought these things were proof read many times to avoid such.
I expect too much me thinks ;D
Thanks for bringing my attention to the errata page :-+
Aurora
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Yowser ! Lots of errors in the published version :o
That's not a lot. That's surprisingly few for the first print of a >1000 page technical textbook.