We are soon gonna be replaced. Latest from Boston Dynamics...

[BrianHG]

It's becoming a cross between awesome and creepy...

[Mr. Scram]

Things I notice:

• No tether
• No noisy power source, which was the weakness of previous models
• Regularly looks like guy in robot suit

These guys going into combat doesn't seem far off, though battery life is an important one. I hope we can avoid the messiness and dubious legality of the current drone operations.

[bd139]

https://youtu.be/XcNXq5DUZnk

Mood music

[MrW0lf]

Still somewhat geriatric compared to this...

[wraper]

Still somewhat geriatric compared to this...

Then try doing that yourself?

[Kjelt]

Awesome demo but why should a robot resemble a human?
Depending on its task it should have the physics for that task.
Give it three or four legs it would have been much easier to hold the balance.

But yes we are for a lot of tasks going to be replaced, insaw a demo of an automated p&p line five rows only two operators which could be replaced by a robot. Trays in, with pcbs were robotcars or as they call them self travelling transport vehicles (stv) , trays out were stv's , they moved the pcbs to an assembly line were robot hands put multiple pcbs in plastick enclosures, connected and  glued or hotmelted it stuck and close , next stop put testleads in run automated test, stv, packaging robot, stv warehouse.
That is how the future factory look like, and very few human jobs left.

[Assafl]

Replaced doing what? Jumping on and off boxes?

[wraper]

Give it three or four legs it would have been much easier to hold the balance.

They have 4 legged robots. And even robot with two legs with wheels on them.

Depending on its task it should have the physics for that task.

Think about time when electronics were tailored very specific to the narrow task and there was no CPUs. Did it work that well? If you make 2 legged robot, it can access all spaces which were made for humans and do all general tasks. If you make specialized robot, it might be very good at it specific task but completely useless in general tasks. You cannot ask PNP machine to bring you pcb laying on the shelve. Think about computer which can do all sorts of things. Most of those things consist of tasks from so very different areas that it's completely not viable to make a specialized machine for that.

[bd139]

Awesome demo but why should a robot resemble a human?

We're a pretty good general purpose design. Makes sense to copy it rather than have to do the evolution bit.

[Kjelt]

If you make 2 legged robot, it can access all spaces which were made for humans and do all general tasks.

Good point. Humans do have problems accessing small spaces though so improve the design so it can have access to all spaces

We're a pretty good general purpose design. Makes sense to copy it rather than have to do the evolution bit.

I don't agree. Humans are instable design, we can not sleep standing up without falling over. A robot should be a steady design, upon power failure it should stop not fall over and wreck things. Look at retired humans and their difficulty of keeping vertical, that is a design weakness.

[Mjolinor]

It is not a design weakness, it is a result of having the design work properly for the time of its life when it is tasked with needing to work optimally.

Abilities during the time spent learning and time spent retired are not applicable to functionality during the working period.

Most things that humans make are the same. The functionality of a mountain of iron ore is pretty minimal, it then becomes a car then it is a pile of rust. The functionality of the time in the life of the thing is only relevant during the normal working life.

[MrW0lf]

Then try doing that yourself?

Irrelevant. This robot is supposed to be about the best there is. So I posted best there is human performance. Little to do with all the rest of the robots or humans.

[bd139]

We're a pretty good general purpose design. Makes sense to copy it rather than have to do the evolution bit.

I don't agree. Humans are instable design, we can not sleep standing up without falling over. A robot should be a steady design, upon power failure it should stop not fall over and wreck things. Look at retired humans and their difficulty of keeping vertical, that is a design weakness.

That's only because we don't scrap them when they break down due to emotional attachment

[wraper]

This robot is supposed to be about the best there is. So I posted best there is human performance.

Supposed to be by who's opinion? What you have posted has no practical use, only entertainment. But being able to jump indeed has practical uses. First things that come to my mind, rescue or military operations. Not always you have a flat surface you can walk through.

[MrW0lf]

Supposed to be by who's opinion?

Youre welcome posting some humanoid robot video with free movement comparable or better [smoothness and quietness] than good biological examples. Thinks this will require artificial muscles. IMHO these geared clunkers do not cut it, if we talk about replacing economical well trained [chinese] special unit soldier for example.

[wraper]

Supposed to be by who's opinion?

Youre welcome posting some humanoid robot video with free movement comparable or better [smoothness and quietness] than good biological examples. Thinks this will require artificial muscles. IMHO these geared clunkers do not cut it, if we talk about replacing economical well trained [chinese] special unit soldier for example.

You seem to be so close minded. Why do you assume humans necessarily will be replaced for solely economic reasons? Would you personally order people to go for a sure death or risk their lives? Like entering a burning building, enter radioactive area, neutralize bomb?

[rstofer]

You seem to be so close minded. Why do you assume humans necessarily will be replaced for solely economic reasons? Would you personally order people to go for a sure death or risk their lives? Like entering a burning building, enter radioactive area, neutralize bomb?

I missed the point here...

Every single day, firefighters VOLUNTEER to enter burning buildings.  Given proper equipment, technicians have been working around the Fukushima reactor and every day, trained military and civilian personnel work on disarming bombs (or blowing it up in place).  They're still recovering WWII bombs in the UK and Germany and the earth is littered with anti-personnel mines.  Disarming a deteriorated WWII bomb has to be exciting!

Would I order it?  Well, if that's my job then I do it.  It's my job!

[wraper]

You seem to be so close minded. Why do you assume humans necessarily will be replaced for solely economic reasons? Would you personally order people to go for a sure death or risk their lives? Like entering a burning building, enter radioactive area, neutralize bomb?

I missed the point here...

Every single day, firefighters VOLUNTEER to enter burning buildings.  Given proper equipment, technicians have been working around the Fukushima reactor and every day, trained military and civilian personnel work on disarming bombs (or blowing it up in place).  They're still recovering WWII bombs in the UK and Germany and the earth is littered with anti-personnel mines.  Disarming a deteriorated WWII bomb has to be exciting!

Would I order it?  Well, if that's my job then I do it.  It's my job!

And if you had an alternative to send a robot instead?

[Mr. Scram]

I missed the point here...

Every single day, firefighters VOLUNTEER to enter burning buildings.  Given proper equipment, technicians have been working around the Fukushima reactor and every day, trained military and civilian personnel work on disarming bombs (or blowing it up in place).  They're still recovering WWII bombs in the UK and Germany and the earth is littered with anti-personnel mines.  Disarming a deteriorated WWII bomb has to be exciting!

Would I order it?  Well, if that's my job then I do it.  It's my job!

I feel you're the one missing the point. We send people into horrible situations because we don't have a better way of doing it. In every case where a robot is already viable, the robot gets the job. With properly agile robots, we don't have to risk human lives any more. No one is sending humans in simply because it's their job. Do you think the poor men who secured the Chernobyl site would have volunteered for certain death if a robot could do the job?

Even if you look at it from a purely economical perspective, it makes a lot of sense. Humans are incredibly expensive to train en the upkeep is ridiculous too. You can blown up a lot of expensive robots instead, and the PR isn't as terrible either.

[MrW0lf]

You seem to be so close minded. Why do you assume humans necessarily will be replaced for solely economic reasons? Would you personally order people to go for a sure death or risk their lives? Like entering a burning building, enter radioactive area, neutralize bomb?

In general my interest is technology of tomorrow, maybe even one indistinguishable from magic. There is long way from clunkers of today to something really robust and agile, self repairing and comparable in efficiency to biology. Im not saying there is no tasks for clunkers to do, just that they are not that impressive yet and depend very heavily from infrastructure and suitable only for narrow operating conditions.

[Mr. Scram]

In general my interest is technology of tomorrow, maybe even one indistinguishable from magic. There is long way from clunkers of today to something really robust and agile, self repairing and comparable in efficiency to biology. Im not saying there is no tasks for clunkers to do, just that they are not that impressive yet and depend very heavily from infrastructure and suitable narrow operating conditions.

I bet not even 5% of the population is able to do what that robot does, no matter how they manipulate the conditions in their favour.

Besides, our technology has surpassed our biology an almost every way imaginable. My voice carries 200 meters if I try, but I can pick up the phone and talk to someone on the other side of the world or even on another planet. I can run over 10 km/h for an hour or so, but get in my car and travel an order of magnitude faster all day. I can draw with reasonable precision if I try, but I can print a sheet of millimeter perfect graphics almost instantly.

[MrW0lf]

I bet not even 5% of the population is able to do what that robot does, no matter how they manipulate the conditions in their favour.

If this tech seems superior to trained personnel for wideband conditions to you then you are free to gaze in wonder and prepare to be replaced
Now what would impress me is pony sized biological ant with high IQ and hopefully very mellow mood and low ambitions. Unless latter conditions met would be not only impressed but also depressed and picking best possible god to pray to.

[Mr. Scram]

If this tech seems superior to trained personnel for wideband conditions to you then you are free to gaze in wonder and prepare to be replaced
Now what would impress me is pony sized biological ant with high IQ and hopefully very mellow mood and low ambitions. Unless latter conditions met would be not only impressed but also depressed and picking best possible god to pray to.

It's not an if. People are being replaced every day.

[Mjolinor]

It doesn't matter how good they get they will never self repair as well as we can.

[Mr. Scram]

It doesn't matter how good they get they will never self repair as well as we can.

Our self repair is fairly limited without outside help. Our success is in large part thanks to technology aiding repair. We're all technological hybrids.