I think the rate of adoption of automation - whether its well planned - orderly, logical automation or a knee jerk response to changes- even panic- is an open question.
The worst kind of change would likely be due to panic- How might that happen? - The following many will think of as a worst case scenario, but I think its more likely than we think..
There are a great many examples of bad things that are being done which will inevitably lead to a total loss of trust if not exposed -
The ceding away of democracy's ability to regulate in economic matters is an attempt to scale back whats called by some "mob rule", just when its most needed, as jobs are going away..
The corporate world wont limit its own behavior.. Its trying to limit government's ability to do so too.
Thats what it clearly is attempting to do.
We're going down a path of no return where trust in government held by society will eventually just disintegrate.
This is why its going to happen.. this deal..
This is because everybody has expectations which are no longer supported by norms of government behavior (a situation known as "state capture"- sort of the apex of corruption) but people (and companies, to to a large extent) don't realize it yet.
This will cause a huge mess soon. You can bet on that. The reaction to that will likely be a backlash of both companies and people doing everything they possibly can to protect their own interests. But much of it will be for naught because the unforeseen consequences of back-room trade deals, particularly those on "services" which nobody realizes even exist, will be happening on such a large scale that anybody getting a good outcome will be well night impossible.
This will lead to massive increases in automation, even if its not ready yet.
But not in a manner which would be economically profitable for vendors of such services at the level to which they are accustomed. Instead the system by then will likely be falling apart.
Look at automation under that unfortunate future
as an act of rebellion to the state capture situation.
It may happen, though due to the path were being coerced into via secretive, slimy trade agreements- They capture the future and enact a second enclosure of all that has any value, for corporations. When many people have very serious and well founded reservations as to their legitimacy.. and the legitimacy of any system that would sign away democracy.
This is done by the creation of new rules against "indirect expropriation" which deliberately undemine the power of the vote, taking away the ability of politicians to fix anything and guaranteeing that only liars become politicians.
Locking in an extremist ideology that almost nobody would support- - in every area of economic relevance have already been
traded away to others. Its a situation reminiscent of feudalism and serfdom. As Franz Zappa put it "the rights to you have already been sold".
Instead of rights to be treated well, all Americans are left with is rights to be treated equally. (unless they are guilty of any crime and "duly convicted" which could lead to real, literal slavery.)
Under state capture, because they have been in Arendt's words, "atomised".. the population has been quietly dis-empowered of the abilities they once had to demand accountability- his is to support new "rights" which have been given to multinational corporations to sell them any service which has been charged for anywhere in a country, without interference. This is basically a green light to any kind of usury or exploitation which is allowed if foreign corporations get equal or in many cases superior rights to domestic corporations to continue it. (For example, they will get to pay their own employees whatever wages they agreed upon elsewhere, this will give them a huge price advantage in services because they may be able to pay their workforce less than US legal minimum wage, rotating them in and out every few years in order so they remain "temporary". They have for some time had a legal right to visas for them, however these were limited in the US by quotas which are now being challenged before the WTO in a case many overseas are watching closely. )
This, along with many other facts- the same 1994 agreement - as well as a new one, the GPA- also limits what the US can do in health-care, another fact which has been kept from the public, also government procurement - for example, infrastructure projects, have to be open to globalized bidding and this means that stimulus packages are not going to stimulate local hiring unless no foreign firms successfully bid the work.. All of this has been brewing for 20 years but kept out of the media.. So the changes all will come as a shock to many Americans. If tehy are even told about them. But judging by the past, they wont be.
The governments and the well connected multinational corporations that now own them - especially the US, concocted an entire new moral values agnostic global governance system, and quietly substituted it for the one most people still think is there, over the last 20 years. this system basically is based on the divine right of kings.. and its meant to provide a "stable" environment for an expected global pillage as jobs vanish, wages fall and peoples lives collapse. Think of the deals as deals to share the wealth among thieves..
This is a disaster waiting to happen.
It includes an across the board freeing of both governments and companies from any responsibility to or for people's welfare. This is happening because the economic power workers once had under scarce labor conditions has eroded away as technology made it more and more possible to replace more and more of them. To preserve rights to things thought gained, power has to be maintained. It hasnt been, instead people have been deceived into thinking it has when its been quietly eliminated.
These changes have been sold by buying off the various groups that were in a position to help with special perks.. like access to what they think will be rapidly growing markets (but that again is highly unlikely) cheap labor, and the ability to resell the services of that cheap labor at a tremendous profit.
Even under bad business conditions, that likely looks awfully good to many multinational corporations and large business executives, until they dig a bit deeper and see that the cost of that cheap labor will be a societal collapse. A collapse f trust- the glue that holds society together.
That collapse will mean that none of these various groups that have been bought off will get what they were bargaining for, all will get an unparalleled disaster.
We already see how newer stores are built in a sort of fortress like manner, planners are planning for a future where the bulk of the population will be disenfranchised and dispossessed. In that future, business is only too happy to do whatever it takes to automate in order to reduce their attack surfaces vulnerable to banditry on all levels. In the second phase of the collapse having employees will signify a business seen ripe for taxation. Employees will be seen as a hook for taxation by governments only too eager to shift the costs of taking care of the people who they can to them as much as possible, based on the numbers of employees they have.
Lets not forget that taxes of all kinds will be falling, including property taxes because one of the main drivers of a homes value is its proximity to places of employment.
This next wave of redundancies as Brits would put it will be like no previous ones in that the hopes for re-employment for most losing jobs will be nil because of services liberalization (to cut costs for businesses they will use trade agreements to legally import very low wage skilled workforces) and automation. So when people in developed countries with high costs of living and high expectations for future earnings suddenly lose their jobs as well as their plans for the future they will likely drop off the economic maps for good, and they will know it and they wont be happy campers.
So as the number of people employed drops, state and local governments main sources of income will also dry up. At the same time, they will have large numbers of people, suddenly depending on them for healthcare and social services. They will panic, seeing their tax base suddenly drying up, and they will attempt to drive their unemployed residents away and replace them with rich people coming here from elsewhere. But its clear that the "supply" of rich people is swollen by people who work for a living who will also be losing jobs (middle managers made redundant by automation in management) And since many of them will have been replaced by temporary workers whose permission to live in a country is directly tied to their being employed by a foreign company there, (thats how Mode Four, what I am talking about, works, in that way its a little like slavery) this will cause mass confusion.
People's homes values will be crashing and their investments will all be losing value rapidly because of panic selling and millions "taking early retirement" at the same time.
Countries will be doing everything they can to shed their responsibilities to anybody.
This will be a global phenomenon. Will prices for everything fall? They will have to, because people simply wont have any money to spend except on the barest essentials, but what happens and when is still too complex a situation to model.
Uncertainty which always existed but which an accelerated rate of drove all these bad decisions in backroom FTAs which lock in, will have led to a total collapse of trust that acts as the glue that keeps society together. Suddenly everything will cost more and deliver less. By abandoning the people's legitimate "expectations" for corporations, writing legally binding new internationally "agreed" "rights" for them that "Trump" the people's - (this- and the desire to move capital investments to higher and higher profit markets- but not take any risks- is whats driving all the changes (trade deals) and the business community's fixes to lock "their" profits and properties in forever.)
This greed and back room dealing to screw the people everywhere by the ultra wealthy of the world, will have created a real monster.
Then, OF COURSE, the surviving businesses will see
even more automation as "their only way" to keep their heads above water,
causing still more job losses. It will be much much cheaper then than it is now, as there will be a lot of used equipment on the market selling for just a few millions of worthless post collapse dollars, in other words, almost nothing.
Wages will also be almost nothing, as the few professionals who still can find work will likely be desperate and working just for food. They will likely demand payment in food, as each employed person will probably have an extended family of dozens or even hundreds of hungry mouths to feed.
Pray!
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Quote from: cdev on Yesterday at 23:36:17Yes indeed, global value chains.