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Offline MT

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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2018, 10:25:48 am »
I think "treez" provides the highest level of comedy and entertainment on this forum by far. I think everyone must wait with eager anticipation to find out what kind of crazy thing he is going to ask about next.

Ahh, yes i just realized it is the guy who thanks everybody for everything all the time guy! ^-^

treez are actually right loads of UK companies are crocks tax avoids and other scams!
 
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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2018, 11:08:02 am »
They dodge taxes on their profit, not customs duty.

In the end it's the same: Look Tim, dear, you'll just pay this/here and we'll discount that/there, see my friend? And Mario Puzo wrote "Michael, I had other plans for you"  >:D
 
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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2018, 11:18:41 am »
They dodge taxes on their profit, not customs duty.

In the end it's the same: Look Tim, dear, you'll just pay this/here and we'll discount that/there, see my friend? And Mario Puzo wrote "Michael, I had other plans for you"  >:D
It's completely different beast. You can legally shift your profits abroad somewhere where you don't need to pay high taxes. You cannot legally not pay customs duties to the country into which you are importing goods.
Also there is a type of fraud to dodge VAT when company which bought stuff asks for VAT return but company which sold stuff goes poof before paying VAT to the country. That very likely in the end will put you in jail as well.
 
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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2018, 12:21:51 pm »
It's completely different beast. You can legally shift your profits abroad somewhere where you don't need to pay high taxes. You cannot legally not pay customs duties to the country into which you are importing goods.
Also there is a type of fraud to dodge VAT when company which bought stuff asks for VAT return but company which sold stuff goes poof before paying VAT to the country. That very likely in the end will put you in jail as well.
I assume there are loopholes, but those are unlikely to be available to mortals.
 
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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2018, 12:36:30 pm »
If I understand this correctly, the OP is literally asking us how to set up a smuggling company to knowingly defraud his own government? Simultaneously asking how to avoid customs, stating that customs doesn't care, and stating that everyone does it?

As I recall, this is the same poster that has in the past complained about legal requirements in the lighting industry that the competition does not always follow.

Ironic, no?
 
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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2018, 07:28:33 pm »
There are legal ways (morally and ethically dubious) of reducing the sum you pay to the R part but the C part of HMRC is a part you do not want to mess with, they have some heavy duty powers which can exceed those of the police and if you find yourself in their gaze you will wish you had never met your dodgy friend. 

See if you can find customs seizure auctions, you may discover some very interesting things about their powers from the pictures of the auction lots.
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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2018, 07:36:38 pm »
If I understand this correctly, the OP is literally asking us how to set up a smuggling company to knowingly defraud his own government? Simultaneously asking how to avoid customs, stating that customs doesn't care, and stating that everyone does it?

As I recall, this is the same poster that has in the past complained about legal requirements in the lighting industry that the competition does not always follow.

Ironic, no?
I think he's asking for loopholes, which are almost by definition legal. They could be considered immoral, though.
 
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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2018, 09:09:56 pm »
The 292V remark was a joke about another thread.

Yes, anything imported into the UK, from China incurs the same tariff charges, as any other part of the EU, until Brexit, which might change that.

Of course everything you import has to comply with the safety and environmental relevant standards. If a child is injured or killed, because their toy car caught fire, because it didn't have a thermal fuse in the battery charger or the battery caught fire, then it's your fault and you can face manslaughter charges.
 
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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2018, 09:29:05 pm »
And the ONE THING that trading standards **ALWAYS** have time for is safety problems in toys, other things not so much, but you sell a toy with a fire risk or small removable part, or plastic that contains something it shouldn't, and you will get all kinds of stick for it.

Product recalls and destroying all the product (as WEEE) will kill any profit you might have made, and if the customs get involved (And trading standards are quite happy to ask them to become involved) you could be looking at BIG personal liability.



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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2018, 05:28:42 am »
Thankyou but the regulations of safety started out well, but then got corrupted by big corporations who use them to shut smaller rivals out of the market.



..just look at grenfell, it was started by a fridge, but the fridge maker never got fined.......and why , if it really is all about safety, then why is the faulty schematic not published on the web so we can all see how not to do it....i guess they relly dont care if grenfell happens again.
 

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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2018, 05:44:49 am »
That fridge probably complied with the rules (Which are being looked at fairly closely), the cladding actually probably also complied for certain uses, that one maybe, maybe not.

The lesson to take away is that rules are specific, and that provided you comply with them they act as a somewhat useful shield in court.

If you are looking to import a million quids worth (at wholesale) of toys, spending 25k or so to get TUV or UL or Intertek or whoever to certify them as compliant with the appropriate standards should not be a big deal, providing they do comply with the standards. 

Seriously, certification costs are just not a big deal if you are doing that sort of volume.

I work for a small UK owned electronics company, turnover <£10M (The kind you keep saying don't exist anymore), and this stuff has never stopped us yet. 

Regards, Dan.
 
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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2018, 10:48:23 pm »
Look at TÜV/PIP scandal, still not resolved in court after years of various trials...
 
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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2018, 02:14:35 am »
Here's a different approach. If the only way you can make money on product X is by scamming the system, perhaps it is not worth doing this business. You should be able to still make a reasonable enough profit and sell enough product, safely, abiding by all regulations and government import regulations, etc... to make it worthwhile. Perhaps sell a different toy, one with added value? One with larger margins? Or market it to a different demographic or in combination with a kit or to people who want to self-assemble?

You shouldn't have to put your life (or your customers) in danger for this business. If price is the only thing you can possibly compete on and your competition is already doing all this illegal mumbo-jumbo, then you'd be better off whistleblowing the competition than joining their ranks. Just my $0.02.
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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2018, 04:14:09 am »
Honestly Treez?

Using the deaths of 72 people to attempt to justify your tawdry little scam?

Beneath contempt.

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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #39 on: Yesterday at 03:35:13 am »
A Chinese friend ( he was a coursemate on my electronics degree course)

I assume he, unlike you, completed his?
 
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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #40 on: Yesterday at 04:18:57 am »
Thankyou but the regulations of safety started out well, but then got corrupted by big corporations who use them to shut smaller rivals out of the market.



..just look at grenfell, it was started by a fridge, but the fridge maker never got fined.......and why , if it really is all about safety, then why is the faulty schematic not published on the web so we can all see how not to do it....i guess they relly dont care if grenfell happens again.
Because it's not proven the fridge was faulty and even if it was, it would have only been one burnt out flat, if it wasn't for the dangerous cladding.
 
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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #41 on: Yesterday at 06:35:36 am »
as an electronics engineer i have designed a vast array of useless items which wouldnt sell at a profit...

Haven't we all, treez. Haven't we all...
 
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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #42 on: Yesterday at 05:18:22 pm »
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Honestly Treez?
Using the deaths of 72 people to attempt to justify your tawdry little scam?
Beneath contempt.
Sorry but i believe we must talk of such things in order to have it not happen again.
We would not  allow cars that could catch fire.
I was just pointing out that the elec regs have often been used by the large corporations to make it more difficult for smaller competitors to get into the market....which is horrendous when you consider that this is really adding to causing tragedys like Grenfell.
 

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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #43 on: Yesterday at 05:42:11 pm »
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Honestly Treez?
Using the deaths of 72 people to attempt to justify your tawdry little scam?
Beneath contempt.
Sorry but i believe we must talk of such things in order to have it not happen again.
We would not  allow cars that could catch fire.
I was just pointing out that the elec regs have often been used by the large corporations to make it more difficult for smaller competitors to get into the market....which is horrendous when you consider that this is really adding to causing tragedys like Grenfell.
I can see your point. The worst thing is lots of standards aren't free and have to be purchased for silly money, which makes it more costly for smaller businesses and individuals to comply. I think standards are quite often revised, just to sell more and make money. All safety standards should be freely available and paid for by taxes, gathered from those who can afford them.
 
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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #44 on: Yesterday at 05:48:24 pm »
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Honestly Treez?
Using the deaths of 72 people to attempt to justify your tawdry little scam?
Beneath contempt.
Sorry but i believe we must talk of such things in order to have it not happen again.
We would not  allow cars that could catch fire.
I was just pointing out that the elec regs have often been used by the large corporations to make it more difficult for smaller competitors to get into the market....which is horrendous when you consider that this is really adding to causing tragedys like Grenfell.

The enquiry into Grenfell is ongoing and the outcome of that is highly likely to lead to prosecution for those found liable so your argument is complete bullshit, a pathetic attempt to justify your flouting of safety regulations and by extension, your attempt at tax fraud.
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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #45 on: Yesterday at 07:00:39 pm »
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Honestly Treez?
Using the deaths of 72 people to attempt to justify your tawdry little scam?
Beneath contempt.
Sorry but i believe we must talk of such things in order to have it not happen again.
We would not  allow cars that could catch fire.
I was just pointing out that the elec regs have often been used by the large corporations to make it more difficult for smaller competitors to get into the market....which is horrendous when you consider that this is really adding to causing tragedys like Grenfell.

The enquiry into Grenfell is ongoing and the outcome of that is highly likely to lead to prosecution for those found liable so your argument is complete bullshit, a pathetic attempt to justify your flouting of safety regulations and by extension, your attempt at tax fraud.
I think it's too soon to make such judgements about the original poster. I think he's most likely naive. I hope he takes our advice about his so-called friend being a scammer. I think treez will be the one who ends up in trouble if he goes along with this as his "friend" will know how to keep himself out of trouble and keep all the money.
 
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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #46 on: Yesterday at 07:18:57 pm »
I must admit, to this day, i wonder how what a witness (the woman living opposite the flat  where the fire started) saw as a  "small fire in the kitchen", ended up with flames licking up out of the front room window, when there is a wall in the way, and many metres of distance. Presumably the window of the front room was closed when the fire started...or you would hope so.
Apparently, according to the witness, the occupant had managed to have time to  pack his bags and had them out on the landing.

I hope they get the full details, so this cannot happen again.

I mean, surely if you were in there you would flip the breaker to the kitchen equipment, then toss a damp rag over the "small fire".

Actually i suspect this may all be irrelevant after Brexit, as i suspect that the UK government will  charge  (and directly enforce) its own tariffs on Chinese imports to UK. I believe  that many UK electronics companies are only surviving because of the Chinese imports that they bring in......and believe that  such companies will close down and go bust as soon as Brexit comes in.
 

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Re: Wish to bring electric toy cars to market
« Reply #47 on: Yesterday at 10:36:02 pm »
Honestly Treez?
Using the deaths of 72 people to attempt to justify your tawdry little scam?
Beneath contempt.

And the difference of UK as a nation for their little tawdry scam invading Iraq killing 100 000+ is?
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