What Is Causing The Note 7 Phones To Explode?

[Ice-Tea]

Phones aren't constrained for physical size; in fact they're getting bigger with each generation. Making them as thin as possible is a fashion statement, not a technical requirement, and adding 1mm to the thickness to accommodate a removable battery cover won't stop the phone from working.

No, but it will stop it from selling.

If my nexus 6p had a fat variant with twice the battery life and a halfway rugged chassis, I would have bought that

The thinner phones get, the thicker the case needed to protect them

That's you. And then there's all the yups in Manhattan that are ticking the boxes: oh, 8 cores and the other only has 7, 7.3mm and the other is, like really fat at 7.5mm.

I agree with you and many of the others but the market is fixated on silly numbers. And odly, somehow, the concensus is that battery life is not an important number.

[iamdarkyoshi]

And odly, somehow, the concensus is that battery life is not an important number.

This. Right here.

There is no reason I should drain most of my 3.5Ah battery listening to music all day

Thats roughly 1.25w constantly, just playing music.

My old sansa fuse mp3 player could literally last a month doing that on one charge.

[TheSteve]

Phones aren't constrained for physical size; in fact they're getting bigger with each generation. Making them as thin as possible is a fashion statement, not a technical requirement, and adding 1mm to the thickness to accommodate a removable battery cover won't stop the phone from working.

No, but it will stop it from selling.

If my nexus 6p had a fat variant with twice the battery life and a halfway rugged chassis, I would have bought that

The thinner phones get, the thicker the case needed to protect them

Almost everyone I know wants a bigger battery. I have a Moto Maxx with a 3900 mAh battery and I love it.

[Cyberdragon]

And odly, somehow, the concensus is that battery life is not an important number.

This. Right here.

There is no reason I should drain most of my 3.5Ah battery listening to music all day

Thats roughly 1.25w constantly, just playing music.

My old sansa fuse mp3 player could literally last a month doing that on one charge.

Airplane mode, otherwise it will keep trying to receive and transmit data for all your apps.

[iamdarkyoshi]

And odly, somehow, the concensus is that battery life is not an important number.

This. Right here.

There is no reason I should drain most of my 3.5Ah battery listening to music all day

Thats roughly 1.25w constantly, just playing music.

My old sansa fuse mp3 player could literally last a month doing that on one charge.

Airplane mode, otherwise it will keep trying to receive and transmit data for all your apps.

A phone shouldn't have do that though. My dell venue 8 tablet has probably the best battery I have seen for a portable smart device, handling like 6 hours of screen time

[Monkeh]

And odly, somehow, the concensus is that battery life is not an important number.

This. Right here.

There is no reason I should drain most of my 3.5Ah battery listening to music all day

Thats roughly 1.25w constantly, just playing music.

My old sansa fuse mp3 player could literally last a month doing that on one charge.

Airplane mode, otherwise it will keep trying to receive and transmit data for all your apps.

A phone shouldn't have do that though. My dell venue 8 tablet has probably the best battery I have seen for a portable smart device, handling like 6 hours of screen time

Your Venue 8 has a huge battery and doesn't have a multi-watt RF transmitter in it.

[hamster_nz]

Anybody remember when Apple's phones were catching fire back in 2014???

https://9to5mac.com/2014/02/22/this-is-what-an-iphone-5s-looks-like-when-its-battery-catches-fire-and-explodes/

https://9to5mac.com/2014/02/03/14yo-schoolgirl-receives-2nd-degree-burns-when-iphone-5c-reportedly-catches-fire-in-her-pocket/

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/5-on-your-side/iphone-explodes-in-st-peters-mans-pocket/265410117

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/feature/apple/iphone-fires-what-you-need-know-3323855/

https://9to5mac.com/2016/08/02/iphone-6-fire-cycling-fall-australia/

http://www.phonearena.com/news/iPhone-6-Plus-catches-fire-in-mans-bed_id77021

Is the Note 7 really that bad? Why no pre-flight warning on Apple phones back in 2014 ?

[RGB255_0_0]

Those are pretty sporadic and you didn't see tens of them spontaneously combusting within hours and days of being released, suffering a recall, and the re-release suffering the same fate.

[TerraHertz]

Comedy value, as the Note 7 farce continues.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/19/13333386/samsung-galaxy-note-7-gta-mod-youtube-takedown
Samsung made YouTube remove video of GTA mod that turns Note 7 into a bomb

[ConKbot]

Don't forget dumb people putting their phones in their jeans back pocket and sitting on it...and then crying that their phone malfunction...

Makes me feel bad for the phone when i see it in the backpocket of someone's skinny jeans getting sat on and all that, must be rough on the phone.   

For iPhone 6 and 6 Pluses it's leading to touch IC "disease". So, yes, it is bad for at least some phones.

Hah, saw a louis rossman video a few months ago where he more that the bga touch IC on the 6 didn't have underfill like everything else in the area on the phones and he predicted there was going to be a bunch of touch screen failures. Looks like he was right.

[Don Hills]

Quote from: TerraHertz on Today at 10:29:46 AM

  ... Samsung made YouTube remove video of GTA mod that turns Note 7 into a bomb

[JPortici]

Phones aren't constrained for physical size; in fact they're getting bigger with each generation. Making them as thin as possible is a fashion statement, not a technical requirement, and adding 1mm to the thickness to accommodate a removable battery cover won't stop the phone from working.

No, but it will stop it from selling.

If my nexus 6p had a fat variant with twice the battery life and a halfway rugged chassis, I would have bought that

The thinner phones get, the thicker the case needed to protect them

Always made me laugh and facepalm at the same time.
thinner and thinner phones but need a cover + screen protector so it doesn't fall apart at the first incident. Final thickness is greater than the previous generation phone and absudly hight profit margin on accessories are made

[AndyC_772]

I agree with you and many of the others but the market is fixated on silly numbers. And odly, somehow, the concensus is that battery life is not an important number.

Battery life isn't hugely important to me in terms of the number of hours' usage I can get from the phone between charges. The only time I ever find myself in danger of running out is when services I'm not using somehow end up remaining enabled, and that's a software problem, not a hardware one.

I do, however, absolutely care about battery life in terms of how many years' service I can get out of a phone before the battery no longer holds a useful charge. I absolutely do want a phone in which I can change the battery when it wears out, but of course, the industry has collectively agreed it's beneficial for manufacturers (not me) if no such option is available.

That's why I'd like to hope that this incident serves as a kick up the arse for the industry. I don't care if the official justification for going back to replaceable batteries is "safety" or "environment" or <insert corporate BS about meeting customer expectations here>. I just care that it happens.

[gnavigator1007]

Phones aren't constrained for physical size; in fact they're getting bigger with each generation. Making them as thin as possible is a fashion statement, not a technical requirement, and adding 1mm to the thickness to accommodate a removable battery cover won't stop the phone from working.

No, but it will stop it from selling.

If my nexus 6p had a fat variant with twice the battery life and a halfway rugged chassis, I would have bought that

The thinner phones get, the thicker the case needed to protect them

Almost everyone I know wants a bigger battery. I have a Moto Maxx with a 3900 mAh battery and I love it.

I bought a 9000 mAh zero lemon battery for my lg v10 a few months back. Phone is quite thick now. I've never been someone that drops their phone anyway, but it definitely feels more secure in my hand now. Went with the v10 specifically because it was the only phone with a large screen that still had an easily removable battery and micro sd support. The stock lg 3000 mAh battery was a joke for this phone. Now if I desire to, I can stream HD video for over 20 hours without needing to charge. Much of my city lost power to a hurricane last month and it was crazy seeing everyone trying to find outlets to charge their devices in stores and restaurants. Luckily, my wife and I only went four days with no power and the phone battery was not an issue. I could probably make it a week or more with light use, but I lurk here far too often.

[NiHaoMike]

What we really need is a portable pedal or crank charger that's actually decent. Fat is about 50 times as energy dense as lithium ions, about 10 after conversion losses. And at least in the US, there seems to be an almost unlimited surplus of it.

[John Heath]

What should be remembers is it is only 1 out of 40,000 note 7 that are burning up. For unreported cases and still to burn call it 1 in 5000. I know someone that hard his garage burn down from charging his lithium electric drill. At best I only know 50 people with lithium batteries. Of the 50 people one had his garage burn down. Could it be that problems with lithium batteries is larger than the latest Samsung note 7 NEWS.   

[iamdarkyoshi]

What should be remembers is it is only 1 out of 40,000 note 7 that are burning up. For unreported cases and still to burn call it 1 in 5000. I know someone that hard his garage burn down from charging his lithium electric drill. At best I only know 50 people with lithium batteries. Of the 50 people one had his garage burn down. Could it be that problems with lithium batteries is larger than the latest Samsung note 7 NEWS.

Fair enough, but how many iphone 7's have violently exploded so far?

[John Heath]

Can not say how many note 7s have the pocket warming feature other than a yahoo video saying it was 1 in 45,000. I would guess 1 in 5,000 by the time it is over. However consider how many 380 air planes are flying. A wild guess would be 20 or 30. 1 of those 30 air planes had a fire in the side caused by the new and nifty lithium batteries to save weight. The 380 has been redesigned with a different battery. That is 1 out of 30 ! and you can imagine they tested the pieces out of it before deciding to go with lithium.  To give this balance technology has to be pushed to the limits in today's competitive market. 

[NiHaoMike]

Wasn't it the Boeing 787 that had a bunch of battery issues? The interesting part is that if they used the slightly heavier (but much safer) lithium manganese batteries rather than the highly flammable lithium cobalt batteries, replacing just one average American passenger with one as skinny as Tiffany Yep would cancel out the weight difference! If that small amount of weight made such a difference, they should encourage sustainable weight loss.

[IanB]

I do, however, absolutely care about battery life in terms of how many years' service I can get out of a phone before the battery no longer holds a useful charge. I absolutely do want a phone in which I can change the battery when it wears out, but of course, the industry has collectively agreed it's beneficial for manufacturers (not me) if no such option is available.

It seems to be really straightforward to replace an iPhone battery, especially with the later models. It is barely more complicated than replacing a watch battery. I would have no hesitation in taking on the job if my phone battery needed replacing.

[iamdarkyoshi]

I do, however, absolutely care about battery life in terms of how many years' service I can get out of a phone before the battery no longer holds a useful charge. I absolutely do want a phone in which I can change the battery when it wears out, but of course, the industry has collectively agreed it's beneficial for manufacturers (not me) if no such option is available.

It seems to be really straightforward to replace an iPhone battery, especially with the later models. It is barely more complicated than replacing a watch battery. I would have no hesitation in taking on the job if my phone battery needed replacing.

I really hope to never have to take my nexus 6p apart.

Somehow, they made it even harder to take apart than iphones, which I really didn't think was possible.

[IanB]

I really hope to never have to take my nexus 6p apart.

Somehow, they made it even harder to take apart than iphones, which I really didn't think was possible.

With the iPhone 6 all you have to do is remove two screws and pop the case apart. With the iPhone 7 it got more complicated as they made it waterproof, which means the case is glued together to keep water out.

[tszaboo]

And odly, somehow, the concensus is that battery life is not an important number.

This. Right here.

There is no reason I should drain most of my 3.5Ah battery listening to music all day

Thats roughly 1.25w constantly, just playing music.

My old sansa fuse mp3 player could literally last a month doing that on one charge.

Airplane mode, otherwise it will keep trying to receive and transmit data for all your apps.

Nope, it is the stupid android draining the battery. I have 2-3 days of battery life from my Nokia 830, because it is running Windows.

[John Heath]

Wasn't it the Boeing 787 that had a bunch of battery issues? The interesting part is that if they used the slightly heavier (but much safer) lithium manganese batteries rather than the highly flammable lithium cobalt batteries, replacing just one average American passenger with one as skinny as Tiffany Yep would cancel out the weight difference! If that small amount of weight made such a difference, they should encourage sustainable weight loss.

With a little googling I see  you are right. It was the 787 

[Alexei.Polkhanov]

And odly, somehow, the concensus is that battery life is not an important number.

This. Right here.

There is no reason I should drain most of my 3.5Ah battery listening to music all day

Thats roughly 1.25w constantly, just playing music.

My old sansa fuse mp3 player could literally last a month doing that on one charge.

Airplane mode, otherwise it will keep trying to receive and transmit data for all your apps.

Nope, it is the stupid android draining the battery. I have 2-3 days of battery life from my Nokia 830, because it is running Windows.

I am still using my Nokia N900, with Maemo Linux, battery lasts 4 days. You can drain battery in 2 hours on any OS if you play games or watch videos or run service apps.

BTW I am still looking for replacement for my N900, Jolla which runs Sailfish seems like a perfect choice, but it looks like they are downsizing now and I have to go through hoops to buy it in Canada