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Offline tggzzz

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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #50 on: April 24, 2018, 08:32:33 pm »
DOS

echo The Rain In Spain Falls Mainly On The Plain > The_Rain_File.txt

type the_rain_file.txt

8.3?
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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #51 on: April 24, 2018, 08:45:38 pm »
IT'S AN IMPOSTER!

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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #52 on: April 24, 2018, 08:51:43 pm »
CP/M:

A>PIP TEST.TXT=CON:
THIS IS A TEST<ctrl-Z>
A>

CP/M's PIP was a copy of RSX-11's.

Yup.  I didn't write it.  Only used (and use) it.
 

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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #53 on: April 24, 2018, 09:09:45 pm »
Editor wars, always going to create a firestorm.

My history:
EDT - VAX screen editor (still remember what GOLD stands for)
EDIX - Obscure DOS editor...
QEDIT/TSE - switched as it was more available under DOS
JOE - Under Unix, still my fave editor on my Unix/Linux systems (I watch over 1400 of them for work)
EDITPLUS, later NOTEPAD++ under Windows.  Very capable

I always laugh, for years in Unix interviews they'd always ask "do you know vi well", and my stock response was "well enough to use it to configure the Makefile for something better (like joe)"
 

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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #54 on: April 24, 2018, 09:24:43 pm »
Editor wars, always going to create a firestorm.
Wouldn't be any fun otherwise...

My history:

Hmmm...
1) Does an IBM 026 count as an editor?
2) Does the interactive mode of HP timeshare BASIC count as an editor?
3) WordStar! <ctrl-K><ctrl-D>
4) XEDIT CMS/VM370 and MS-DOS
5) vi,vim,Brief,Emacs
6) Abysmal Micro$oft IDE editors (no choice)


 

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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #55 on: April 24, 2018, 09:56:58 pm »
RIP OP, we hardly knew ye.  :palm:

"Posts:   16 (16 per day)"    ^-^
An appropriately nice round number in binary.

Edit:
SDBFG'a post history reads like someone wrote a first attempt at an AI that is mostly a Markov chain text generator, and gave it Net access. The programmers could have had more success with it, if they hadn't permitted it to create threads.
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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #56 on: April 24, 2018, 09:59:37 pm »
I always laugh, for years in Unix interviews they'd always ask "do you know vi well", and my stock response was "well enough to use it to configure the Makefile for something better (like joe)"
See previous comment - my only motivation for learning (minimal) vi was to be able to edit emacs Makefiles  :)
 

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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #57 on: April 24, 2018, 10:19:40 pm »
I always laugh, for years in Unix interviews they'd always ask "do you know vi well", and my stock response was "well enough to use it to configure the Makefile for something better (like joe)"
See previous comment - my only motivation for learning (minimal) vi was to be able to edit emacs Makefiles  :)

Back when I was a (part time) Unix admin, we actually banned Emacs due to resource problems using it on the main "user" shell server, a respectably equipped but near EOL Sun 4/690. However 20 instances of GNU Emacs running every conceivable extension could bring the damn thing to its knees.

So one afternoon we static linked /usr/bin/emacs to vi and set "no more emacs!" in motd.

Joy of joys, resource usage went down that day bar some email flames. That was until around 3pm when everyone suddenly started compiling copies of GNU emacs to run out of their home dir :palm: ... Eventually the machine thrashed itself into the ground and we had to bounce it.

Lesson learned: on 1990s kit, don't leave the compiler suite installed. Also don't piss off the Emacs users.
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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #58 on: April 24, 2018, 10:56:46 pm »
My first DOS editor....
copy con myfile.txt <press enter>
CTRL-Z
Now I'm a nano user
 
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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #59 on: April 24, 2018, 11:12:27 pm »
Also don't piss off the Emacs users.

A very wise rule of thumb :)

By definition they are "power users", and emacs is their shell.
There are lies, damned lies, statistics - and ADC/DAC specs.
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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #60 on: April 24, 2018, 11:24:49 pm »
Actually perhaps more correctly, if you’re going to piss off the emacs users, ulimit them first :D
 

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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #61 on: April 25, 2018, 03:34:28 am »
Well, funny thing, normally when I do DOS programming in a Unix/Linux environment, I start off using GNU Nano to do the work because of it's ease of use (to a plebeian like myself) and (normally) nice text highlighting. After a few runs to DOSBox and TC (now BC++ for me) I end up having to fix a minor thing in the 80 column TC editor until I say screw it and end up purely using that editor.
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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #62 on: April 25, 2018, 03:35:15 am »
I think (almost) nothing of loading a 60 megabyte sized text file into emacs and actually expect it to be responsive to searching and editing it.

Since MULE was added to Emacs 20, this is much less of a sure thing, since you cannot in general expect roundtrip data preservation in the presence of different character encodings.
 

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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #63 on: April 25, 2018, 04:19:48 am »
I have been "99% Emacs" for the past 34 years. I will resort to vi when doing minor edits as root.

A friend of mine had a license plate frame that read: "vi not emacs" when he lived in Silicon Valley.
It triggered quite a few red light conversations.
 
 
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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #64 on: April 25, 2018, 04:53:32 am »
Years ago I spent a lot of time building minimal embedded systems and forced myself to learn vi as it was one thing I could rely on to be ever-present (the busybox implementation is reasonable). These days I can't imagine using anything else, although when given the opportunity I cheat and install vim. That at least buys me syntax highlighting.
 
 

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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #65 on: April 25, 2018, 05:48:17 am »
I have been "99% Emacs" for the past 34 years. I will resort to vi when doing minor edits as root.
Same here. Tried to search through a 60MB log file with Sublime on a 16GB RAM Mac lately just to bring the machine to a halt (had to kill the damn thing). Emacs would fly through the results. They were written differently (with all the jokes what a hog it was on a 640KB machine or whatever)...
 

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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #66 on: April 25, 2018, 07:21:54 am »
Only reason I answered the OP was for  :popcorn:. Some fun cannot be missed.

My history:
A frigging IBM card puncher at uni. Unfortunately the mainframe was Univac. The different EBCDIC flavour made it a mess to use.
The various editors in Turbo-whatever. ETA: and Brief, a revelation!
EDT on VMS.
EVE on VMS, with a lot of personal macros/keydefs.
sed to edit the emacs makefile. I gave up on vi really quickly.
Emacs and EVE with an emacs keymap. It was fun the day someone thought of reconfiguring all the VT220 terminals for XON/XOFF, and any Ctrl-S would block the screen...
Emacs...
Emacs...
Take a walk on the dark side
Visual Studio and emacs
VS Code

Edit: I almost forgot an early love!
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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #67 on: April 25, 2018, 11:32:47 am »
Ok, the original poster is back again as nhdyhh asking terse questions again...  :palm:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/how-this-processor-work/msg0/?topicseen#new
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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #68 on: April 25, 2018, 11:54:18 am »
Ok, the original poster is back again as nhdyhh asking terse questions again...  :palm:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/how-this-processor-work/msg0/?topicseen#new

Oh no, hopefully its not the swarm coming, another one is happening ...

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/help-needed-to-repair-hp-spectrum-analyser/

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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #69 on: April 26, 2018, 12:38:39 am »
Ok, the original poster is back again as nhdyhh asking terse questions again...  :palm:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/how-this-processor-work/msg0/?topicseen#new

Oh no, hopefully its not the swarm coming, another one is happening ...

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/help-needed-to-repair-hp-spectrum-analyser/
Although still sub-par, that guy has far more intelligence than this one. AT least he continues by saying what he did. This one just writes single-sentence posts.
 

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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #70 on: April 30, 2018, 01:59:44 am »
> By definition they are "power users", and emacs is their shell.

We're just very... opinionated. >.< And well the shell is just more text, why bother opening a shell when you got emacs open already?

I use org-mode to compile my emacs configuration. I'm a... odd duck even amongst emacs users.
 

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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #71 on: April 30, 2018, 06:49:42 am »
> By definition they are "power users", and emacs is their shell.

We're just very... opinionated. >.< And well the shell is just more text, why bother opening a shell when you got emacs open already?

I use org-mode to compile my emacs configuration. I'm a... odd duck even amongst emacs users.

Does emacs allow you to press the "quote" link on the top right of a posting? :)
« Last Edit: April 30, 2018, 06:51:38 am by tggzzz »
There are lies, damned lies, statistics - and ADC/DAC specs.
Glider pilot's aphorism: "there is no substitute for span". Retort: "There is a substitute: skill+imagination. But you can buy span".
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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #72 on: April 30, 2018, 07:27:46 am »
The question was: "what is Emacs?"

The answer is an acronym for
Eight
Megs
And
Constantly
Swapping.

/quote]

That was big once. Of course now eight megs is smaller than a snapshot of your lunch from your "phone", and your web browser is using eight GIGs.

I can no longer distinguish between the startup times of vi and emacs, so I use "emacs -nw" for even the most trivial tasks.
 

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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #73 on: April 30, 2018, 12:00:13 pm »
> By definition they are "power users", and emacs is their shell.

We're just very... opinionated. >.< And well the shell is just more text, why bother opening a shell when you got emacs open already?

I use org-mode to compile my emacs configuration. I'm a... odd duck even amongst emacs users.

Does emacs allow you to press the "quote" link on the top right of a posting? :)

Yes, but I use too many forums to remember which site I'm on and end up being lazy.
 

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Re: what is Emacs?
« Reply #74 on: April 30, 2018, 12:04:18 pm »
Does emacs allow you to press the "quote" link on the top right of a posting? :)

Yes, but I use too many forums to remember which site I'm on and end up being lazy.

Hmm, either emacs or you really seem to struggle with quotes and replies... ::)
Never mind; be lazy and let the readers deal with it.  :P
 


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