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Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« on: January 15, 2019, 09:58:14 am »
 
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2019, 10:39:34 am »
Thanks for this giveaway. But I'm wondering why this year you still can select any country when it's only a limited number of countries for which giveaway actually works (hidden it terms and conditions)?
 
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2019, 10:41:55 am »
Thanks for this giveaway. But I'm wondering why this year you still can select any country when it's only a limited number of countries for which giveaway actually works (hidden it terms and conditions)?

I'm wondering why you are complaining.
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2019, 10:50:21 am »
Thanks for this giveaway. But I'm wondering why this year you still can select any country when it's only a limited number of countries for which giveaway actually works (hidden it terms and conditions)?

I'm wondering why you are complaining.
Maybe because it does not work for me. And entering is just a waste of time even though it says I'm in.
 

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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2019, 10:57:26 am »
Thanks for this giveaway. But I'm wondering why this year you still can select any country when it's only a limited number of countries for which giveaway actually works (hidden it terms and conditions)?

I'm wondering why you are complaining.
Maybe because it does not work for me. And entering is just a waste of time even though it says I'm in.


Be glad you dont' live in UK or USA.
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2019, 10:59:17 am »
Be glad you dont' live in UK or USA.
Living in UK or US is way better regardless of what you meant by that.
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2019, 11:07:37 am »
I would love to live in the USA, so much sources of cheap test equipment and electronics in general, in my country you cant get any second hand test equipment because it just isnt developed enough
 

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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2019, 11:11:54 am »
@wraper

It's honestly for marketing purposes. We have a few different Wave pages based on country/region, so it made since to use a full list instead of just a giveaway-eligible list of countries.
 

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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2019, 11:13:21 am »
Be glad you dont' live in UK or USA.
Living in UK or US is way better regardless of what you meant by that.

Guess why the previous Grand prize winner sold his msox6004a to me for peanuts? He couldn't afford the tax!

BTW, China was on the list the last year, but not this year. But this year the permanent resident requirement was changed to legal residents, so being legal resident alien in US, I'm in.

Hope I can grab that ADS license.
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2019, 11:14:33 am »
Weird conditions...

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In accordance with local laws, if the selected entrant is a Canadian or South African resident, that entrant will be required to answer a mathematical skill-testing question, without assistance of any kind (whether mechanical or otherwise), within the time frame provided above
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2019, 11:16:50 am »
Be glad you dont' live in UK or USA.
Living in UK or US is way better regardless of what you meant by that.

Guess why the previous Grand prize winner sold his msox6004a to me for peanuts? He couldn't afford the tax!

BTW, China was on the list the last year, but not this year. But this year the permanent resident requirement was changed to legal residents, so being legal resident alien in US, I'm in.

Hope I can grab that ADS license.

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2019, 11:18:33 am »
Weird conditions...

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In accordance with local laws, if the selected entrant is a Canadian or South African resident, that entrant will be required to answer a mathematical skill-testing question, without assistance of any kind (whether mechanical or otherwise), within the time frame provided above
Not really. Adding an element of skill is often done when the legal requirements for pure chance based draws are prohibitive. By adding skill into the equation often in the form of a trivial task or question, the stringent requirements are avoided.
 

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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2019, 11:19:30 am »
Be glad you dont' live in UK or USA.
Living in UK or US is way better regardless of what you meant by that.

Guess why the previous Grand prize winner sold his msox6004a to me for peanuts? He couldn't afford the tax!

BTW, China was on the list the last year, but not this year. But this year the permanent resident requirement was changed to legal residents, so being legal resident alien in US, I'm in.

Hope I can grab that ADS license.

Karma, or what ever your equivalent life force will work to ensure that you dont' win.

The god of keysight will think differently. He will think if I give this kid an ADS license, he will spend 50k on SAs and VNAs.
 

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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2019, 11:19:50 am »
I meant it sounds like the questions are only for people in Canada and South Africa. Then again, maybe I'm misreading this.
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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2019, 11:21:35 am »
I meant it sounds like the questions are only for people in Canada and South Africa. Then again, maybe I'm misreading this.

It sounds legit not to have non qualified persons to mess with RF and probe with mains.
 

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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2019, 11:23:42 am »
So is there a common agreement (which I'm not aware of) that people from Canada and South Africa are potentially less qualified to win Keysight equipment?
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2019, 11:23:58 am »
country list is really laughable, many 1st world countries are not included, I dont understand why can you do the giveaway in Venezuela but not in Croatia  :-//
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2019, 11:24:24 am »
Be glad you dont' live in UK or USA.
Living in UK or US is way better regardless of what you meant by that.

Guess why the previous Grand prize winner sold his msox6004a to me for peanuts? He couldn't afford the tax!

BTW, China was on the list the last year, but not this year. But this year the permanent resident requirement was changed to legal residents, so being legal resident alien in US, I'm in.

Hope I can grab that ADS license.
I don't think that I would get it here tax free. In any case I'm able to afford taxes.
 

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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2019, 11:26:38 am »
So is there a common agreement (which I'm not aware of) that people from Canada and South Africa are potentially less qualified to win Keysight equipment?

Nothing implied. Just there laws are made that way

Stupid laws are everywhere. Japan requires you to use non certified electronic modules only in an emi shielded room, as I found this out from a TI dev board legal notice.

So if you tinker in your own house, you will break the law in Japan, and apparently no one gives it a shot.
 

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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2019, 11:29:10 am »
Its a very short list of countrys, and i'm only on the B list, which has a much smaller list of lower value prizes..  It is what it is.
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2019, 11:32:44 am »
I think the quiz/test thing is to prevent bots from winning or something like that, but I let the lawyers figure out all that stuff! It has to do with the local laws and isn't us making those rules.
 

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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2019, 11:34:26 am »
Also, China is included but is running everything through WeChat
 
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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2019, 11:35:05 am »
I meant it sounds like the questions are only for people in Canada and South Africa. Then again, maybe I'm misreading this.
It is. They've got laws against contest which are pure chance. The question is a loophole since it adds a tiny element of skill. Look at http://www.mardenkane.com/articles/implications-running-sweepstakes-contest-quebec.html

country list is really laughable, many 1st world countries are not included, I dont understand why can you do the giveaway in Venezuela but not in Croatia  :-//
Every country has a huge pile of laws and regulations for running sweepstakes. Some require an element of "skill" such as the question. Some require you to put a certain amount of money into escrow. Some forbid you from running a contest unless you have a local business presence. Go look at http://www.mardenkane.com/articles/international-sweepstakes-contest-laws-may-cause-problems.html for some of the headaches you'll have if you wanted to run your own contest.

It isn't just a case of somebody sitting down and randomly picking countries out of a hat. They'll weigh up how big their market is in that country and how onerous the requirements are for running a contest there.
 
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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2019, 11:35:28 am »
In any case I'm able to afford taxes.
I'd be glad to pay the tax for a price like a 1Ghz scope but to pay the tax for e.g. a $1000 (or whatever) BenchVue license that I can't really use (and most probably can't really sell either) would be more of a loss than a win.
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« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2019, 11:39:01 am »
I meant it sounds like the questions are only for people in Canada and South Africa. Then again, maybe I'm misreading this.
Yes, because those places probably place more stringent demands on games of pure chance. Hence adding the element of skill in those places. You'd be surprised how complicated organising a raffle can be in just one country. Games of pure chance are in some places seen as a form of gambling, which is often very heavily regulated.

Note that these don't tend to be questions of much actual skill. Just answering what 5+3 is means having an element of skill from the legal perspective, which circumvents much more stringent conditions on pure raffles.
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2019, 11:39:18 am »
Also, China is included but is running everything through WeChat

Interesting. Altium is doing the same thing. All their free training and other licensee's welfare are delivered and coordinated over WeChat instead of their official website.
 

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« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2019, 11:40:16 am »
In any case I'm able to afford taxes.
I'd be glad to pay the tax for a price like a 1Ghz scope but to pay the tax for e.g. a $1000 (or whatever) BenchVue license that I can't really use (and most probably can't really sell either) would be more of a loss than a win.
I guess you could ask them to not include licence. IIRC they changed prizes to something cheaper to those who could not afford taxes.
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2019, 11:43:07 am »
Also, China is included but is running everything through WeChat

Interesting. Altium is doing the same thing. All their free training and other licensee's welfare are delivered and coordinated over WeChat instead of their official website.
We do a lot of things through China-specific websites as well - tired of censorship BS.

Every year there are gobs of complaints about rules and countries. :popcorn:
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« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2019, 11:43:39 am »
As a side note, I find it highly problematic that these giveaways/sweepstakes ask you for your company. Now letting aside that my company tends to change its names every few years, I don't want to win a price for my company for sure. They already devour my soul so why would I win prices for them? Yet stating my company somehow sounds like it's not my price but theirs and not stating it feels like I'm unemployed.
I mean, I can understand the question from a "data kraken" point of view - i just don't like it.
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« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2019, 11:51:37 am »
As a side note, I find it highly problematic that these giveaways/sweepstakes ask you for your company. Now letting aside that my company tends to change its names every few years, I don't want to win a price for my company for sure. They already devour my soul so why would I win prices for them? Yet stating my company somehow sounds like it's not my price but theirs and not stating it feels like I'm unemployed.
I mean, I can understand the question from a "data kraken" point of view - i just don't like it.

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« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2019, 12:08:57 pm »
I meant it sounds like the questions are only for people in Canada and South Africa. Then again, maybe I'm misreading this.
Yes, because those places probably place more stringent demands on games of chance. Hence adding the element of skill in those places. You'd be surprised how complicated organising a raffle can bein just one country.

This pretty much sums it up ^ ^ ^.

This whole discussion has been hammered out many, many times before - and there is one thing that you need to understand - it is not Keysight that is responsible for such conditions ... it is the legal requirements of the various jurisdictions in which they want to conduct this promotion - that they can comply with and afford.

In some jurisdictions, a financial surety is required to be lodged that will ensure any prizewinners will receive their due.  That could be the total value of the promotion.  With $382K of prizes on offer, that means Keysight may have to stump up over $1M for every 3 jurisdictions that have this requirement.

In others, games of chance are only permitted with a gambling licence - the sort of thing you would need for a casino.  Sometimes there are loopholes - such as having a "Guessing competition" (technically a game of skill) and in the case of multiple correct entries, a random draw is permitted to select the winner.  Not surprisingly, this game of skill is "Fill in the missing letters:  G _ E _ S I N _   C _ M P _ _ I T _ _ N ".


Just remember - Keysight will WANT to get as many people across the world engaged in this promotion as possible.  They WANT people to imagine having this gear in their hands.  The only reason that everybody in the world can't enter is because of the practicalities of legal compliance.

If you're still not convinced, then think about this part of the eligibility criteria: " United States (excluding Florida, New York, and Rhode Island) ".  Why would you single out those 3 states without good reason?


Certainly make overtures to Keysight to consider including your country in the future - but don't think for a second that the reason you are excluded is for any vendetta, conspiracy or prejudice.  It's going to be your laws.
 
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« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2019, 12:11:02 pm »
As a side note, I find it highly problematic that these giveaways/sweepstakes ask you for your company. Now letting aside that my company tends to change its names every few years, I don't want to win a price for my company for sure. They already devour my soul so why would I win prices for them? Yet stating my company somehow sounds like it's not my price but theirs and not stating it feels like I'm unemployed.
I mean, I can understand the question from a "data kraken" point of view - i just don't like it.

Company = EEVBLOG. :-)

That's an interesting idea.

Normally I simply put "Independent Designer".
 

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« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2019, 12:13:57 pm »
As a side note, I find it highly problematic that these giveaways/sweepstakes ask you for your company. Now letting aside that my company tends to change its names every few years, I don't want to win a price for my company for sure. They already devour my soul so why would I win prices for them? Yet stating my company somehow sounds like it's not my price but theirs and not stating it feels like I'm unemployed.
I mean, I can understand the question from a "data kraken" point of view - i just don't like it.

Company = EEVBLOG. :-)

That's an interesting idea.

Normally I simply put "Independent Designer".


Mmm.. maybe you would then have to pay a dave tax.
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2019, 12:15:32 pm »
Is there going to be an Australian specific contest as well as I don't think Australia is covered in the main contest?

Put my entry in and then realised Australia is not included.
 

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« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2019, 12:17:37 pm »
Put my entry in and then realised Australia is not included.

Yes it is - but run separately.  Look further down the T&C...
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« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2019, 12:18:00 pm »
ok waiste of my time ..  Belgium not listed in Terms & Conditions ..  weird becaue  Holland , France, Germany is .. ( our neighbours . )
 

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« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2019, 12:38:54 pm »
Every country has a huge pile of laws and regulations for running sweepstakes. Some require an element of "skill" such as the question. Some require you to put a certain amount of money into escrow. Some forbid you from running a contest unless you have a local business presence. Go look at http://www.mardenkane.com/articles/international-sweepstakes-contest-laws-may-cause-problems.html for some of the headaches you'll have if you wanted to run your own contest.

That's why I only give away 2nd hand gear I find in the dumpster  ;)
 
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« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2019, 01:13:17 pm »
That's why I only give away 2nd hand gear I find in the dumpster  ;)
I think people would enter a contest just to have access to your office complex dumpster!
 
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« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2019, 02:34:38 pm »
Also, China is included but is running everything through WeChat

Interesting. Altium is doing the same thing. All their free training and other licensee's welfare are delivered and coordinated over WeChat instead of their official website.
Guess the Chinese government do not want to miss a thing when it comes to technologies.
 

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« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2019, 02:39:42 pm »
Guess the Chinese government do not want to miss a thing when it comes to technologies.

Altium makes enough money in China, so much that it moved its HQ to Shanghai.
If I get to make so much money, I sure will get the marketing done properly.
It has nothing to do with Chinese government, besides some policies (read: privilege) given to foreign companies.
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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2019, 02:49:09 pm »
I'm in!  :box:
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2019, 02:53:06 pm »
Still not elegible, but hoping for next year.
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2019, 03:01:39 pm »
Every country has a huge pile of laws and regulations for running sweepstakes. Some require an element of "skill" such as the question. Some require you to put a certain amount of money into escrow. Some forbid you from running a contest unless you have a local business presence. Go look at http://www.mardenkane.com/articles/international-sweepstakes-contest-laws-may-cause-problems.html for some of the headaches you'll have if you wanted to run your own contest.

That's why I only give away 2nd hand gear I find in the dumpster  ;)

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« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2019, 03:51:02 am »
We use WeChat mainly because that's what the population uses there. There's also a lot of native support for things like this in the WeChat system, so it makes it pretty easy to setup & run. The China part of the event is run pretty much exclusively by the local China team, too.
 
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2019, 10:10:38 am »
Hmmm I call dips on 33622A. I could really put that to good use.  :P But I never win anything...  :'(
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« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2019, 10:50:58 am »
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2019, 08:19:29 am »
Slightly off topic but I was wondering if you were ever considering doing an any-manufacturer trade in event again like when the 1000X series was first launched. I like my 1054Z but lately the clunky software has really been pissing me off, and I'm finding I rarely (if ever) need more than 2 analogue channels at once. Short of winning one, I'd be keen to trade it in and upgrade to a 11-or-1200X.
 

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« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2019, 09:09:14 am »
I think the quiz/test thing is to prevent bots from winning or something like that, but I let the lawyers figure out all that stuff! It has to do with the local laws and isn't us making those rules.

Quiz/tests are sometimes used in giveaways to make it a 'game of skill' rather than a 'lottery' under the law.
Different rules apply for each, and the rules for a lottery are much harder to comply with.
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2019, 09:26:06 am »
Interesting. Here in the UK (and EU) giveaways/competitions are fine as long as they are free to enter (otherwise it counts as a lottery). Often this is circumvented for competitions found in food/drink packaging by stipulating 'no purchase necessary' and providing some means to enter without having to purchase the product. This process is usually made intentionally inconvenient, such as sending a letter by post to the head office within a certain 1 week window.
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2019, 11:05:52 am »
@ElectronicCat

I'll definitely pass that feedback along, it's not out of the question!
 

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« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2019, 12:06:28 pm »
@ElectronicCat

I'll definitely pass that feedback along, it's not out of the question!

Whats happening with the demand notices / letters that Keysight is sending out.  Its left me wondering when i'll get one, and kinda put my off keysight.
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2019, 12:44:42 pm »
No one has pointed out yet that the subject line is unintentionally hilarious?  :-DD
 

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« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2019, 01:31:01 pm »
Maybe they need all that gear back for the prizes.
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« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2019, 03:39:08 pm »
I get the feeling that was originally phrased for some legal butt-covering and was simply copied into the title.

But it did make me look twice.
 

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« Reply #54 on: February 12, 2019, 01:33:58 am »
 If I win I promise I won't give Slughorn your Everlasting Gobstoppers, Keysight.
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #55 on: February 12, 2019, 09:40:10 am »
Not the everlasting gobstoppers!

@mrpackethead, I can't really comment further on the letters. But, know that they are a pretty limited in distribution and we're not going to go crazy on people or anything like that. Once I can say more I absolutely will, but want to leave that to the experts.

I wouldn't worry about it.

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #56 on: February 12, 2019, 09:44:38 am »

I wouldn't worry about it.


When someone has lawyers sending out letters, and i bought some 2nd hand gear that may or may not be related to it, and then somone says " dont' worry about it".. It just reinforces that i do need to be concerned. 
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« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2019, 05:29:30 am »
When someone has lawyers sending out letters, and i bought some 2nd hand gear that may or may not be related to it, and then somone says " dont' worry about it".. It just reinforces that i do need to be concerned.
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #58 on: February 13, 2019, 11:54:30 pm »
Do we really need to turn this into yet another 'keysight sent letters out' topic? I think it would be better to keep this on-topic regarding the WAVE event - the people hosting WAVE probably don't know, can't know and can't comment on anything regarding the letters, so no need harassing them about it.
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #59 on: February 15, 2019, 06:48:54 am »
Thanks @TheUnnamedNewbie,

For posterity and clarity, the link to the thread in question:
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/keysight-ip-intimidation/

I'm happy to answer questions to the best of my ability there, and Wave 2019 questions here.
 
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #60 on: February 15, 2019, 11:15:56 pm »
What do you fill in company, when you doesn't work? And how high are the chances to win? I bet less than 0.1% :) But there will always be the chance of winning:)
 

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« Reply #61 on: February 16, 2019, 01:33:29 am »
Whenever I fill out forms that insist on a company name, I put "Independent Designer".  I did that for my Maxim freebie and to get into Electronix.
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #62 on: February 20, 2019, 09:26:08 am »
You can honestly put in whatever you'd like, but if you work for a company putting that name would be nice.

We never reveal the odds/# of entries, but my answer tends to be "good enough to make it worth the time, but not so good that it'll hurt your odds if you have all your friends & coworkers enter.
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #63 on: March 01, 2019, 01:50:31 pm »

WOW!

Silence since 8 days till now? Only 5 hours (assuming californian time zone is valid) before the start of the probably biggest sweepstake regarding testgear. Is the "Wave XXXX" really gone so much normal and usual?
I have somehow expected a little more excitement.
Just wondering...   :-//

Anyhow: First things first.

I would like to thanking Keysight for giving us the opportunity to win such testgear. (Additional: In such an unpresidented amount. No other manufacturer of testgear does this!)   :clap: :clap: :clap:

Right now there is for me only one thing left to do:
I wish us all a fair and honest sweepstake and good luck  :-+ for all eligible participiants (my rivals >:D)!

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #64 on: March 01, 2019, 10:22:30 pm »
Wow, It starts today.

btw, how to participate in the daily event? I have already registered and revisiting the event page is asking to register again  :-//

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From FAQ:
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Q. How often can I enter?
A. Once per day during the event period, March 1 – 15.

Q. What time does the “day” reset, so I can enter again for the following day?
A. 12:00 AM, Pacific Time Zone (UTC-8)

Q. Do I have to enter every day to be eligible for that day’s drawing?
A. No, all valid entries for the duration of the entry period are included in each day’s drawing.

Q. I think I accidentally entered twice in one day! Am I disqualified?
A. We screen all winners after drawing their names to make sure they were following the rules. We will be reasonable and give people the benefit of the doubt (at our discretion).
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #65 on: March 02, 2019, 04:25:24 am »
Maybe your cookie wasn't preserved. Just enter again.

The live kickoff and drawing today was supposed to start at 9 am (I assume Pacific Standard Time since the contest rules say the day ends based on PST), but no show so far. Maybe they decided to broadcast live from Hawaii at 9 am, instead. ;D

New stream URL:
« Last Edit: March 02, 2019, 04:32:09 am by bitseeker »
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #66 on: March 02, 2019, 07:56:07 am »
Thanks @bitseeker for the new stream URL. Everything was working great until 10m before the stream was supposed to start  :palm:
 

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« Reply #67 on: March 02, 2019, 07:59:08 am »
Glad to be able to help out. Sorry to hear that the live stream didn't get relocated to Hawaii. That would've been nice. ;D
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #68 on: March 02, 2019, 08:20:47 am »
Will there be a test to impress video contest this year?  ^-^
If not, no worries  ;)
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #69 on: March 02, 2019, 08:24:01 am »
Thanks @bitseeker for the new stream URL. Everything was working great until 10m before the stream was supposed to start  :palm:
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« Reply #70 on: March 02, 2019, 09:57:50 am »
Thanks @bitseeker for the new stream URL. Everything was working great until 10m before the stream was supposed to start  :palm:
That's how that works. It's the rules.

Maybe not a rule. Much more probably a law, called:

>>>>> Murphy´s Law <<<<<

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #71 on: March 02, 2019, 10:02:35 am »
Maybe not a rule. Much more probably a law, called:

>>>>> Murphy´s Law <<<<<

It gets you every time! Welcome to the story of my life...
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #72 on: March 02, 2019, 10:48:37 am »
Will there be a test to impress video contest this year?  ^-^
If not, no worries  ;)

We're not doing one this year, but a little birdie told me that one of the YouTubers might be giving out some to folks that need them :).

It's honestly a LOT of work to do on our end, and we just didn't have the time to make it happen this year.
 

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« Reply #73 on: March 02, 2019, 10:54:52 am »
Awesome season opening video, nice folks on the Keysight team!
 

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« Reply #74 on: March 02, 2019, 11:06:38 am »
Yeah, the panel segment was cool. :-+
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« Reply #75 on: March 02, 2019, 01:59:59 pm »
keysight, i'm really suprized that you are still using Youtube as a platform while they continue to to let it be used by people who are grooming children for sex.

Hundreds of big corporations have pulled their channels.

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #76 on: March 02, 2019, 03:05:21 pm »
Will there be a test to impress video contest this year?  ^-^
If not, no worries  ;)

We're not doing one this year, but a little birdie told me that one of the YouTubers might be giving out some to folks that need them :).

It's honestly a LOT of work to do on our end, and we just didn't have the time to make it happen this year.

Haha. No worries! I bet it took a lot of work to coordinate and judge all those entries. Well, here's to my old entry. It's just as equally embarrassing now as it has ever been  ;)

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #77 on: March 02, 2019, 11:01:18 pm »
keysight, i'm really suprized that you are still using Youtube as a platform while they continue to to let it be used by people who are grooming children for sex.

Hundreds of big corporations have pulled their channels.
This is utterly ridiculous - believing that Youtube "lets bad actors groom children for sex" does not hold water. This is bad for their business as advertisers pull their campaigns every time such things happen.

Since you are at it, also shame Dave, Shahriar, Mehdi, Alan Wolke, Mike Harrison, Martin Lorton and so many others that share their knowledge through the same platform.
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« Reply #78 on: March 03, 2019, 07:23:15 am »
keysight, i'm really suprized that you are still using Youtube as a platform while they continue to to let it be used by people who are grooming children for sex.

Hundreds of big corporations have pulled their channels.
It's these ridiculous overreactions which have lead to the adpocalypse and subsequent decrease of Youtube video quality. It's apparently better for Youtube to heavy handedly overreact, rather than to surgically remove the actual problem. It's all about that show of force! Preventing child abuse and not overreacting and destroying many other things can go together.
 
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« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2019, 10:13:55 am »
It was nice to see the human side of the developers, for the panel segment in the video.

Contrast that with to trying to submit a product S/W bug to Keysight. I find it impossible and gave up.
The Keysight website is all about service, warranty, licensing etc.

I've never recovered from seeing a blank (no trace) on a $28K InfiniiVision while the lowly Tektronix had no issues what so ever showing the waveform. Then adding insult to injury was trying to write up the bug and submit it to Keysight  |O
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #80 on: March 04, 2019, 12:13:53 pm »
@floobydust - sorry you had that trouble! Did you give our support center a call? That's where a lot of our user bug reports come from, and they're super helpful.

@salvagedcircuitry - I remember watching your entry! I thought it was put together quite well :). Speaking from personal experience, it's always very hard to watch old videos of yourself.
 
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« Reply #81 on: March 05, 2019, 04:14:02 am »
Whats with your stream ???? There are many echos and the sound goes up and down. Is there a ghost, who haut the stream? :)
 

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« Reply #82 on: March 05, 2019, 04:21:09 am »
Whats with your stream ???? There are many echos and the sound goes up and down. Is there a ghost, who haut the stream? :)

The audio console has higher control input latency than a Tek scope.
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth &lt;$375k
« Reply #83 on: March 05, 2019, 04:44:25 am »
Watching the live stream on the same PC broadcasting it?
 

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« Reply #84 on: March 05, 2019, 04:49:15 am »
And have soundmix on.
 

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« Reply #85 on: March 05, 2019, 09:07:02 am »
Oof, the stream today was rough, sorry for the inconsistency. It seems that YouTube is having some significant trouble with their streaming servers today. The streaming control room pages have been pretty intermittent. However, I can't rule out error on our end. Thanks for sticking with it, we'll have it fixed for next Monday.
 
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« Reply #86 on: March 05, 2019, 09:20:25 am »
Oof, the stream today was rough, sorry for the inconsistency. It seems that YouTube is having some significant trouble with their streaming servers today. The streaming control room pages have been pretty intermittent. However, I can't rule out error on our end. Thanks for sticking with it, we'll have it fixed for next Monday.

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #87 on: March 05, 2019, 10:19:00 am »
Oof, the stream today was rough, sorry for the inconsistency. It seems that YouTube is having some significant trouble with their streaming servers today. The streaming control room pages have been pretty intermittent. However, I can't rule out error on our end. Thanks for sticking with it, we'll have it fixed for next Monday.

Daniel, thanks for sharing the link for the engineering joke faceoff video in the comments. That was a good revival.  :-DD
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« Reply #88 on: March 05, 2019, 10:20:25 am »
That would be nice :) That would cost them ca. 55 billion dollar, whey everyone who singed up in this forum gets a DSOX1204A. I think no one wish that Keysight goes bankkrupt :)
 

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« Reply #89 on: March 05, 2019, 12:28:33 pm »
keysight, i'm really suprized that you are still using Youtube as a platform while they continue to to let it be used by people who are grooming children for sex.

Hundreds of big corporations have pulled their channels.

I wastn bagging keysight. ( sorry on review it migth have read that way ).. i was just suprized that they did'tn jump like the rest of them.
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« Reply #90 on: March 06, 2019, 04:01:06 am »
I can't believe the amount of technical issues they've been having with the attempts at a live stream. Lets face it, the goal is to get more people interested in their product and generate sales -- I'd love to win one, but the production quality of the stream is on par with amature night at the AV Club. 30 minutes of technical issues one day, 3 stream failures on a different day... not good.
 

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« Reply #91 on: March 06, 2019, 06:24:29 am »
@electromotive, I totally agree and am honestly a bit embarrassed with the tech trouble we've had. We suspect there were some server issues, as the stream control room pages kept crashing/glitching and we saw some other channels have streaming/audio issues in the last couple days. We're waiting on some sort of statement from YouTube, but since it's creator-side I'm not sure what we'll hear.

I don't want to blame it on YT, though, and we're taking all kinds of extra steps to make sure the next couple run smoothly.
 

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« Reply #92 on: March 06, 2019, 06:41:33 am »
Very nice video today... except, of course, for the fact that I didn't win a scope!  :P
 
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« Reply #93 on: March 06, 2019, 06:45:10 am »
@electromotive, I totally agree and am honestly a bit embarrassed with the tech trouble we've had. We suspect there were some server issues, as the stream control room pages kept crashing/glitching and we saw some other channels have streaming/audio issues in the last couple days. We're waiting on some sort of statement from YouTube, but since it's creator-side I'm not sure what we'll hear.

I don't want to blame it on YT, though, and we're taking all kinds of extra steps to make sure the next couple run smoothly.

There's probably some weird integration issues going on, because every other Keysight production has been quite good. Hopefully it all gets resolved in time, because a lot of great info has been presented otherwise.   :-+
 
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #94 on: March 06, 2019, 07:07:47 am »
These contests are great, and I enter when I can, but watching the live streams shows how these contests get over bloated.
There were so many people on there posting such childish comments, and not adding value to the discussion, and just wanting free stuff. And it takes away from the genuine people participating and watching the information, who could really benefit from winning a nice piece of gear, and may not have the resources yet to purchase something.
But, I'll keep participating in the hopes that I can win, but also to gather whatever great information I can on your products.
Good luck everyone!! :D
 
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« Reply #95 on: March 07, 2019, 08:43:52 pm »
At work You Tube is blocked (thank God). If the stars are alligned and I win does KS will contact me or not?

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« Reply #96 on: March 07, 2019, 10:55:26 pm »
Where's all the whining this year? Surely Keysight must have ruined somebody's life via the winner's own country's tax demands?
 

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« Reply #97 on: March 07, 2019, 11:00:53 pm »
At work You Tube is blocked (thank God). If the stars are alligned and I win does KS will contact me or not?

Sorry if it was a stupid or double questions.
They will contact you in a few days if you win.

Also - winner list is here: https://connectlp.keysight.com/Wave_2019_Winners
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #98 on: March 07, 2019, 11:53:34 pm »
Anyone else having browser issues trying to enter??
I entered, and when I go back in the next day, it still says come back tomorrow, like it's caching something.
I clear out all of the browser settings and it still happens. I switch browsers, and I can enter, but the issue returns.
And sometimes it just says entry received, when I really didn't enter anything.
I have no way of knowing if I'm even entering the contest. I set confirmation email when I enter, but then get only one email, not one per entry.
So confused.
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #99 on: March 08, 2019, 04:53:45 am »
Notification Emails have stopped for me after the first few days after entering. But the browser display works for me in Firefox.
Looking at the winners list i almost had a heart attack  ;D One winner has almost the same first name than mine, just one letter different, with the same initial... I'm still hoping i maybe mistyped and will soon get an Email  >:D
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #100 on: March 08, 2019, 05:18:10 am »
I got the impression that when you entered initially, giving your details etc, that you are then entered into the draw each day. After that, if you go back you can re-enter that day for an extra chance to win.

https://blogs.keysight.com/blogs/tech/bench.entry.html/2019/01/12/wave_2019_overview-HU1Q.html

If there is something you are particularly interested, then you can go back to the competition page and add an extra entry for that particular day. So on Monday, I will go back and add another entry as the 120MHz waveform generators are up for grabs, and that is what I am particularly interested in. After that, I am not particularly interested in much else, so won't re-enter.

That is my understanding, but of course, I could be completely wrong.

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #101 on: March 08, 2019, 09:10:39 am »
Where's all the whining this year? Surely Keysight must have ruined somebody's life via the winner's own country's tax demands?

It's always the Germans  >:D.   As soon as enough Germans have been awarded prizes, (they somehow get a disproportionate share of them), one or more whiners will emerge. 
 

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« Reply #102 on: March 08, 2019, 09:45:05 am »
I would love a reason to whine  ;D
Though i would deny a copy of just the BenchVue Software ;)

But i can understand that people are somewhat miffed about having to pay VAT (and duties?) for a prize.
Normally, in Germany, any winnings, whether items ore money, are tax free. So there is the first surprise that many people are not aware of. And customs of course uses the list price for an item, if there is no actual invoice. Listprice of a DSOX3104T seems to be around 12.500 Euro, so that would already be 2375 Euro VAT, plus additional duties if appicable. More, if shipping is invoiced separately. If shipping is not invoiced, customs might declare a "standard" shipping rate anyway. Plus likely a DHL handling fee.
A 0$ invoice is not a solution, for a brand new expensive scope that might even be declared fraudulent.

Keysight is an international company. They easily could import the scope to any EU location themselves, and ship from there to the winner.

Anyway, rant over  ;D Congrat's to any winners :)
 

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« Reply #103 on: March 08, 2019, 09:50:18 am »
Where's all the whining this year? Surely Keysight must have ruined somebody's life via the winner's own country's tax demands?

That's how I was able to buy a fully loaded MSOX6004A for $9k -- the grand prize winner was too broke to pay the income tax.

Instead of paying $48k*0.25 and makes $0, he now only pays $9k*0.25 and makes $9k.

Maybe in the coming month someone will post a thread titled like "[FS/US] MSOX6004A". Keep an eye on it!
 

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« Reply #104 on: March 08, 2019, 12:24:58 pm »
Normally, in Germany, any winnings, whether items ore money, are tax free. So there is the first surprise that many people are not aware of.
This is not entirely true btw. Actually prices are only free of taxes in Germany if they are won by mere luck. If any kind of achievement is involved like winning a quiz show, a beauty contest of even a science award, they are taxed. Besides, indeed I fear that customs is a totally separate matter. Potentially, import sales tax has to be paid for everything >22€ including shipping, no matter if it's a gift or winning. For something smallish with a 0€ invoice, you might get lucky and pay nothing. For a 10k€ scope in a big cardboard box I would suspect chances are very high that they will apply the retail price.
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« Reply #105 on: March 08, 2019, 02:29:26 pm »
Notification Emails have stopped for me after the first few days after entering. But the browser display works for me in Firefox.

The last notification email I received was on March 4. It seems to have broken or been turned off after that.
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« Reply #106 on: March 08, 2019, 05:58:42 pm »
Never received any notification emails too. Oh well. :blah:
I wonder who's collecting them. :wtf:
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #107 on: March 08, 2019, 10:41:23 pm »
Normally, in Germany, any winnings, whether items ore money, are tax free. So there is the first surprise that many people are not aware of.
This is not entirely true btw. Actually prices are only free of taxes in Germany if they are won by mere luck. If any kind of achievement is involved like winning a quiz show, a beauty contest of even a science award, they are taxed. Besides, indeed I fear that customs is a totally separate matter. Potentially, import sales tax has to be paid for everything >22€ including shipping, no matter if it's a gift or winning. For something smallish with a 0€ invoice, you might get lucky and pay nothing. For a 10k€ scope in a big cardboard box I would suspect chances are very high that they will apply the retail price.

Sounds like a similar approach to the UK. Import taxes are for items brought in to the country from outside the EU. Income tax is paid on earnings above certain thresholds and is separate to Import tax.

If the Import tax is paid on your behalf by the courier, then that can also add a charge. If they have a fixed charge for this, it may not be too bad, but some do charge a percentage of the goods, so that could become a sizeable fee.

Whilst Keysight can't cost the item as 0$, they may be within their rights to cost it as a reduced value,  closer to the manufacturing cost rather than the retail cost, that the Import tax could be applied to. It may be that they cannot ship from within the country as the competition is run from America and therefore the prizes have to be shipped from there.

The main problem of course, is that tax authorities tend to start from the idea that everything is taxable, and you are left to argue that it isn't.

 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #108 on: March 08, 2019, 11:24:25 pm »
Oh dear. I didn't mean to bring up discussion of various country's tax laws again. Can we just agree that it's not Keysight's fault and it's not Keysight's problem? Either pay what your government has demanded or decline the prize (or maybe not enter).
 

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« Reply #109 on: March 09, 2019, 04:19:55 am »
It is their fault in the sense that they could easily ship the prizes from a local branch. E.g. shipping from anywhere within the European Union would solve the issue for everybody in the EU.
Then again, admittedly this is nothing I personally have to worry about as I never won anything anyway.
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« Reply #110 on: March 09, 2019, 04:24:47 am »
I'm still getting confirmation emails.
 

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« Reply #111 on: March 09, 2019, 05:01:44 am »
I started getting confirmation emails again, today.
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #112 on: March 09, 2019, 05:08:58 am »
Death & Taxes (well, at least the taxes part)

Rather than rehash what's been hashed, check out what Keysight has done before and what winners encountered:

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/contests/wave-2018-(formerly-scope-month)/
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/contests/scope-month-2017-megathread/

There may be other threads with additional discussion, but these will get you started.
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #113 on: March 09, 2019, 05:12:45 am »
It is their fault in the sense that they could easily ship the prizes from a local branch. E.g. shipping from anywhere within the European Union would solve the issue for everybody in the EU.

I am reasonably confident that due to the laws on the way competitions are run, they will have to ship the prizes from America, or the country that originated the competition. Keysight aren't alone in this, there are other companies that run worldwide competitions but still ship prizes from America.

Then again, admittedly this is nothing I personally have to worry about as I never won anything anyway.

Well you certainly aren't alone with that theory.
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #114 on: March 09, 2019, 06:28:35 am »
Regarding VAT/taxes/etc., we've worked it out that these don't hit recipients - something about shipping out of a duty-free Penang entity or something like that. I can't officially guarantee you won't get hit, but we've not had anyone get hit with that to date. There's also potential income-tax or prize-tax laws you may be subject to if you win, but that's between you and your government :).

We fixed the e-mail issue, sorry for the trouble!

And, yes, there's always complainers  :-//
 
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« Reply #115 on: March 09, 2019, 12:23:06 pm »
Reminds me of way back in the early Compaq computer days.   If salespersons sold X amount of product they would get Compag Dollars".    I was just a lowly tech so I never qualified. 


They had to order from a catalog and of course all of the prices were at MSRP.  We had one salesman that would complain, "I can get this VCR at Moe Ginsberg for $150 and here it is for $225, what a ripoff"!   I had to explain to the salesperson that it is free!      I guess he could complin that he is paying tax on $225 as opposed to $150 but still!  ::) 
 

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« Reply #116 on: March 09, 2019, 12:24:11 pm »
Yeah, math is hard. ::)
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #117 on: March 10, 2019, 04:08:15 pm »
Just wanted to say thanks for the videos, the new DC load modules for the 6705 look great, although I suspect are only supported in the 6705C, which is a shame since I have a 6705A with a spare slot & they'd make a great upgrade from my 6051A.
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« Reply #118 on: March 10, 2019, 10:51:07 pm »
Reminds me of way back in the early Compaq computer days.   If salespersons sold X amount of product they would get Compag Dollars".    I was just a lowly tech so I never qualified. 


They had to order from a catalog and of course all of the prices were at MSRP.  We had one salesman that would complain, "I can get this VCR at Moe Ginsberg for $150 and here it is for $225, what a ripoff"!   I had to explain to the salesperson that it is free!      I guess he could complin that he is paying tax on $225 as opposed to $150 but still!  ::)
That's not exactly free, is it? The Compaq dollars represent a real life value as they can be converted into real life goods. The more expensive the products in the catalogue are, the fewer he will be able to obtain for a given amount of sales which represent real life work.
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #119 on: March 12, 2019, 09:50:05 am »

Hello!

Sorry, but I have some questions about the prizes.
I apologize, but I'm German and therefore almost obligated to be direct, straightforward, rude, rough and mean. Without any beating around the bush, you know?
Just the bad guy, as usual.  >:D  So, here we go:

1. N2140A Passive Probe, 10:1, 200 MHz, 2-Pack
It seems, the probes are only working with infinivision oscilloscopes.What, if the winner doesn´t have such a scope? Or doesn´t have an oscilloscope at all?  :-BROKE

2. BenchVue License
This data aquisiton and proceeding software seems to work only with Keysight (Agilent or HP) test gear.
What, if the winner doesn´t have any of this Keysight test gear?  :(

3. EEsof ADS Simulation Bundle
Without any doubt a very mighty, powerful and sophisticated software bundle. But, is it really somehow useful (or even usable) in any way for an amateur? Or even not useful for some professionals? Somehow I have doubts...  ???

All other prizes (scopes, DMM´s  :-DMM , WaveGen) are just working stand alone. Their purpose and advantage is immediately pretty clear. But the three items above...

Greetings


P.S.: Right now I have sensed a giant disruption in the force. It was like... as if my chances to win anything were crashing on the sudden to sub zero, because of this post...
 

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« Reply #120 on: March 12, 2019, 01:51:09 pm »
It is marketing. What if you did not have a lab or use for any of the equipment? What's your argument?

I do not see other top tier or any other second or third tier players here. Keysight is doing something different and inciting potential new and rewarding loyal customers.

Other companies are not playing... so enjoy it.
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #121 on: March 12, 2019, 06:48:46 pm »
Why would a passive scope probe not work with any other oscilloscope besides a Keysight unit?

Anyway, its a prize draw, sometimes you win, sometimes you don't and sometimes you win something you don't know what to do with. You either accommodate it or move it on.

There is always the option of not accepting the prize and they will probably draw another winner, or you could donate it to a local makers club, school etc.
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #122 on: March 13, 2019, 03:24:17 am »
@ProBang2

Those are good questions!

The passive probes should work with just about any standard BNC-connector scope inputs. We generally target the event towards people that would already have some gear. If folks don't we're more than happy to have them join us, but we had to make some decisions there.

BenchVue - kinda true for now. But, we thought it couldn't hurt to add it on as a prize to see what happens.

ADS - this was a bit of an experiment to see what would happen, same philosophy as BenchVue.

And no, you didn't hurt your chances of winning  :phew:. I really appreciate the open dialog and honesty of folks on this forum!
 
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #123 on: March 13, 2019, 06:54:55 pm »
Daniel, I think your presence here cannot be appreciated enough :)
Sure, you are a "marketing instrument", (sorry if that sounds harsh ;)) but you also try to help when possible.
I would like more companies doing marketing like that.

I especially like that you are not here with an anonymous company account and actually have a name ;)
 
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« Reply #124 on: March 14, 2019, 12:13:34 am »
Kudos to Daniel from Keysight for being in this forum and participating/listening to user feedback and questions.
I know I am so interested in the triple output power supply, and as soon as I can justify the cost, I may buy one. I sure was hoping I could score one in the contest, but that didn't happen. LOL
It's great to have vendors involved in these forums.
 
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« Reply #125 on: March 14, 2019, 02:05:49 am »
You can do a heck of a lot with the ADS simulation package for RF simulation and optimization, i'd be happy to win one, unless the license has expiry-that would not have value to me. I would also welcome a pair of 200MHz probes as i am updating my EDUX 1002 to 200MHz and they'd come very handy replacement to the stock 70MHz or so probes.

Edit: As to BenchVue - meh, i want knobs.
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« Reply #126 on: March 14, 2019, 02:44:20 am »
One small note: the ADS is not a perpetual license. It's ba one year time limited license.
 

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« Reply #127 on: March 14, 2019, 04:03:00 am »
Daniel, I think your presence here cannot be appreciated enough :)
Sure, you are a "marketing instrument", (sorry if that sounds harsh ;)) but you also try to help when possible.
I would like more companies doing marketing like that.

Thanks! I do have an EE degree, but have really enjoyed trying out the marketing thing! I always hated marketing stuff (like a good engineer should  :-DD), but later found out I just hated bad marketing!

Also, my time spent on this forum is ad hoc and not an official mandate from on-high. What can I say, you all make me feel at home :).
 
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« Reply #128 on: March 14, 2019, 08:38:05 am »
I can't explain why, but for some reason, while reading your response, I was overcome with a mental image and find myself compelled to share it.  I understand that Keysight is a major corporation with customers all over the world but anyway...
 
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« Reply #129 on: March 14, 2019, 09:15:29 am »
Daniel, I think your presence here cannot be appreciated enough :)
Sure, you are a "marketing instrument", (sorry if that sounds harsh ;)) but you also try to help when possible.
I would like more companies doing marketing like that.

Thanks! I do have an EE degree, but have really enjoyed trying out the marketing thing! I always hated marketing stuff (like a good engineer should  :-DD), but later found out I just hated bad marketing!

Also, my time spent on this forum is ad hoc and not an official mandate from on-high. What can I say, you all make me feel at home :).

Keysight should really value you if they know what's good for 'em :)

It is VERY refreshing to have someone with an EE degree being in marketing.. it's quite profound how much it helps the company's image. I really like the method of taking on a teaching role to explain more complicated features in your instruments and principles in EE measurement - which at the same time is showing off the company's product and acting as effective marketing.
 

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« Reply #130 on: March 14, 2019, 09:23:03 pm »
I always hated marketing stuff (like a good engineer should  :-DD), but later found out I just hated bad marketing!
That is a trait that you have in common with a lot of members here - if not all.

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Also, my time spent on this forum is ad hoc and not an official mandate from on-high. What can I say, you all make me feel at home :).
You come across as a kindred spirit and you listen.  This is a positive starting point.

You work at Keysight - and that gives all of us a sort of vicarious satisfaction  :D  - so, of course we want to make you feel at home!
 

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« Reply #131 on: March 15, 2019, 07:18:33 am »
Thanks everyone :).

Also @bsudbrink, that picture is terrifying. It might also be printed off and pinned to my cubicle wall...
 

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« Reply #132 on: March 15, 2019, 07:34:32 am »
Well, my Photoshop-foo is pretty weak.  I have to say I spent a while sifting through all of the photos of you I could find, looking for one that matched the original face, in terms of pupil width, chin to mouth distance, eye to ear distance and looking in the right direction.  Also, I wanted a serious expression (you're always smiling! ^-^).

I think that the reason that it still looks a bit "pasted on" is the lighting.  I just couldn't find one of you anywhere that matched it.  I'm sure there's someone in your art department that could do a better job... just credit me with the concept.  :-+

Good luck with the weather!  Stay warm!
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« Reply #133 on: March 15, 2019, 10:20:53 am »
Well, my Photoshop-foo is pretty weak.  I have to say I spent a while sifting through all of the photos of you I could find, looking for one that matched the original face, in terms of pupil width, chin to mouth distance, eye to ear distance and looking in the right direction.  Also, I wanted a serious expression (you're always smiling! ^-^).

I think that the reason that it still looks a bit "pasted on" is the lighting.  I just couldn't find one of you anywhere that matched it.  I'm sure there's someone in your art department that could do a better job... just credit me with the concept.  :-+

Good luck with the weather!  Stay warm!
It's the brightness and the saturation. If they're too dissimilar, it'll look like two pictures stuck together. I tweaked the sliders for a few minutes, although it needs a lot of additional finenessing to be very convincing.

 
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #134 on: March 15, 2019, 11:12:58 am »
Thanks everyone :).

Also @bsudbrink, that picture is terrifying. It might also be printed off and pinned to my cubicle wall...

I've done worse to former Keysight employees, Ahh, maybe not...  :-DD
 
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #135 on: March 16, 2019, 07:31:17 am »
You should definitely have a Keysight swag store. A Keysight sticker on the ol' bench would look pretty good.
 
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #136 on: March 16, 2019, 08:41:22 am »
How about cardboard replicas of the test equipment? People could put them on their bench, giving it a touch of class.
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #137 on: March 16, 2019, 10:20:01 am »
That's a good one. It's the budget way to upgrade your bench with new Keysight "gear."
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #138 on: March 16, 2019, 11:00:26 am »
When I applied for an earlier contest, my video used a printed front panel of the prize over another instrument. Maybe that was a mistake...
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #139 on: March 16, 2019, 11:46:53 am »
Of course I did not win anything, as I had only noted on the 13th. |O
And it did have a bug - via my workplace I could enter a second application, at home not. (at the same time)
But as I already told the TEA crew, it was HPAK where I won the single useful thing ever - my first WedgeProbe.
So I'll keep trying and I would take everything except a scope, because there are only... (must not be said, suppose you know)... :box:

( HP8116A, HP3312A, HP4261A, HP5334A, HP1230A, HP466A, HP8447E, HP E2377A, HP6274B, HP6177B, HP6825A, HP7475A and 2x HP28S, ha!)
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #140 on: March 16, 2019, 01:21:56 pm »
Being in the Asia-Pacific competition, I only had one chance - a race to answer a series of questions made available at a specific point in time.  I was otherwise occupied at that time - unplanned an inescapable.  I didn't think it would be worth trying two and a half hours later.   :(

I now wait to see how I fare with Dave's dumpster finds.
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #141 on: March 17, 2019, 02:55:45 am »
I never expect to win something.
But it,s cool that Keysight gives the chance to win something realy usefull.
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #142 on: March 17, 2019, 04:32:57 am »
While I couldn't realistically expect to win anything, the event and effort put into it is very much appreciated. Thanks Keysight!
 
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #143 on: March 19, 2019, 01:52:51 am »
Will the list of winners of the South Asia Pacific region Wave competition be posted somewhere? It is currently not in this list https://connectlp.keysight.com/Wave_2019_Winners?cmpid=postWave2019list and was not mentioned in the Wave videos.
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #144 on: March 19, 2019, 01:56:16 am »
Thanks Keysight for yet another great event! I really appreciate the effort of everyone involved.
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #145 on: March 19, 2019, 08:17:19 am »
Somehow I got lucky for the first time in forever and won a scope on the 11th.  I've been studying the manual ever since I found out and I'm hoping to make a thread about it when it comes in.    The email said it will take a while, though.  It gives me time to get to know it on paper first.

Huge thanks to  Daniel and all the Keysight team!!
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #146 on: March 19, 2019, 09:09:07 am »
Somehow I got lucky for the first time in forever and won a scope on the 11th.

Congrats!
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #147 on: March 19, 2019, 09:15:53 am »
Somehow I got lucky for the first time in forever and won a scope on the 11th.  I've been studying the manual ever since I found out and I'm hoping to make a thread about it when it comes in.    The email said it will take a while, though.  It gives me time to get to know it on paper first.

Huge thanks to Dave and all the Keysight team!!
That's because Daniel is delivering them personally on his bicycle.
 
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #148 on: March 19, 2019, 09:46:53 am »
Somehow I got lucky for the first time in forever and won a scope on the 11th.  I've been studying the manual ever since I found out and I'm hoping to make a thread about it when it comes in.    The email said it will take a while, though.  It gives me time to get to know it on paper first.

Huge thanks to Dave and all the Keysight team!!
That's because Daniel is delivering them personally on his bicycle.
:-DD

Man, he must be good!  It's a LOOONG way from Colorado Springs  to New Jersey!!!
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #149 on: March 19, 2019, 07:08:57 pm »
The email said it will take a while, though.  It gives me time to get to know it on paper first.

If some of the reports from last year are anything to go on, you'll probably be able to recite the manual.
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #150 on: March 20, 2019, 01:35:02 am »
So are the scopes they give away typically fully optioned up or just the base models?
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #151 on: March 20, 2019, 08:29:11 am »
I'm not sure.  But it doesn't matter to me. I am grateful for whatever it has. 
On video of the last day of WAVE 2019, Daniel mentioned that he thinks that it has all options turned on.  On the video starting at 10:15.  But that is no guarantee, just his guess I suppose.

Also, after I sent in the release forms they required, I received a confirmation email back.  But it was an automatic reply and  said the person was on vacation and out of the office until 6/18.  That is a really nice long vacation but is probably a typo of some sort I guess. 

I just hope that the email and form was received properly.
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #152 on: March 20, 2019, 01:15:41 pm »
So are the scopes they give away typically fully optioned up or just the base models?

I believe it said it was fully optioned just like the BV-L's. The BenchVue licenses are fully optioned.
 

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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #153 on: March 21, 2019, 11:48:06 am »
Thanks! I do have an EE degree, but have really enjoyed trying out the marketing thing! I always hated marketing stuff (like a good engineer should  :-DD), but later found out I just hated bad marketing!
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #154 on: March 22, 2019, 08:11:24 am »
Delivery will probably take a while. We bribe work with our factory and use some special processes that are outside of our normal fulfillment activities. We also try to make sure we aren't messing up any orders/stocking by sending out prizes.

So are the scopes they give away typically fully optioned up or just the base models?

I'm like 98% sure the prize scopes come with options. If yours doesn't let me or Boon know and we'll make sure to get them to you.


Also, after I sent in the release forms they required, I received a confirmation email back.  But it was an automatic reply and  said the person was on vacation and out of the office until 6/18.  That is a really nice long vacation but is probably a typo of some sort I guess. 

Typo! Boon also picked up some malware from one of the forms from someone, so he's been in IT jail this week. If you sent it he got it.


Somehow I got lucky for the first time in forever and won a scope on the 11th.  I've been studying the manual ever since I found out and I'm hoping to make a thread about it when it comes in.    The email said it will take a while, though.  It gives me time to get to know it on paper first.

Huge thanks to Dave and all the Keysight team!!
That's because Daniel is delivering them personally on his bicycle.
:-DD

Man, he must be good!  It's a LOOONG way from Colorado Springs  to New Jersey!!!

I actually make air deliveries on my bike, and I've never been accused of being a slow biker :) ( https://imgur.com/a/MByMZYy )
 
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #155 on: March 22, 2019, 08:47:59 am »
I actually make air deliveries on my bike, and I've never been accused of being a slow biker :)



Possible sighting of the deliveries of all that Keysight alien technology....Maybe we'll have to rename it the EETblog.
 
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Re: Wave 2019 - Over 100 Prizes worth <$375k
« Reply #156 on: March 28, 2019, 02:11:14 pm »
South Asia Pacific region Wave contest winners are posted at the end of the list here now https://connectlp.keysight.com/Wave_2019_Winners?cmpid=postWave2019list but it doesn't say what prize each person won. Any chance this can be updated?
 


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