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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #75 on: December 05, 2017, 10:48:07 am »
Signing 1000 multimeters is a lot of extra work. How long would it take to open each box and unpack it, sign it, repack it?

I really have no wish for anyone to sign, mark or otherwise deface the product. It should be untouched, new in box.

Aren't they gonna be placing the eevblog sticker on the meter ? I think it will be "defaced" anyhow, also i guess, no other way to place a sticker without opening the box..  ;)
What sticker? It's already eevblog branded.
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #76 on: December 05, 2017, 10:50:23 am »
Signing 1000 multimeters is a lot of extra work. How long would it take to open each box and unpack it, sign it, repack it?

I really have no wish for anyone to sign, mark or otherwise deface the product. It should be untouched, new in box.

Aren't they gonna be placing the eevblog sticker on the meter ? I think it will be "defaced" anyhow, also i guess, no other way to place a sticker without opening the box..  ;)
What sticker? It's already eevblog branded.
Dave said he has some holographic EEVblog serial number stickers, separate from the manufacturer's serial number, that he'll add to the meter.
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #77 on: December 05, 2017, 11:29:37 am »
Would go for it but $30 shipping plus import taxes, duties, and fees from DHL would all add up.
$30 is a solid deal for DHL express though, I certainly don't blame dave for going with one shipping company and hope it goes well (261k USD atm).

I will investigate re-shippers in the EU.
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #78 on: December 05, 2017, 11:43:21 am »
I will investigate re-shippers in the EU.

I think you have time. Unfortunately for EU residents the campaign went live in the middle of the night and the early bird batch was all sold out by the time they woke up. Not sure what you could have done about that though. It's always going to be night time somewhere in the world.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #79 on: December 05, 2017, 11:45:02 am »
FWIW, my prediction is Dave sells 1842 DMMs in the Kickstarter campaign.
He already sold 1268 in 22 hours. IMO it will be at least 5k.
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #80 on: December 05, 2017, 12:03:42 pm »
Since Dave is going to sell them through his store it is not imperative you buy on KS.
If you wait for the store you could be waiting quite awhile since all the Kickstarter orders need to be done first.

No problems for people willing to wait, but some of us have been waiting for 2 years with little hints dropped every now and then.  ;)
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #81 on: December 05, 2017, 12:52:10 pm »
Since Dave is going to sell them through his store it is not imperative you buy on KS.
If you wait for the store you could be waiting quite awhile since all the Kickstarter orders need to be done first.

Yep, KS will be done first. There simply isn't any extra stock for me to do anything else.
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #82 on: December 05, 2017, 12:53:22 pm »
FWIW, my prediction is Dave sells 1842 DMMs in the Kickstarter campaign.
He already sold 1268 in 22 hours. IMO it will be at least 5k.

Nope, not a chance. I'll be surprised if it even gets to 2k.
I have blown my wad on marketing, unless I want to keep hammering it, but that will only pick up the stragglers.
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #83 on: December 05, 2017, 12:54:19 pm »
FWIW, my prediction is Dave sells 1842 DMMs in the Kickstarter campaign.

I might stop it at 1885, just because that would be a cool date ;D
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #84 on: December 05, 2017, 01:48:28 pm »
FWIW, my prediction is Dave sells 1842 DMMs in the Kickstarter campaign.
He already sold 1268 in 22 hours. IMO it will be at least 5k.

Nope, not a chance. I'll be surprised if it even gets to 2k.
I have blown my wad on marketing, unless I want to keep hammering it, but that will only pick up the stragglers.
I place my bet it will get 2k. Although I have more multimetrs than I need, if it does not reach 2k in 5 days (I think it will happen much faster), I'll buy one myself.
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #85 on: December 05, 2017, 02:54:03 pm »
Dave, when you claim "Low Burden" voltage, which meters did you have in mind for comparison? I initially thought the low current ranges on this meter would be as good as having a built-in µCurrent, but the specs seem about the same as Fluke and Brymen's offerings.
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #86 on: December 05, 2017, 05:32:00 pm »
Dave, when you claim "Low Burden" voltage, which meters did you have in mind for comparison? I initially thought the low current ranges on this meter would be as good as having a built-in µCurrent, but the specs seem about the same as Fluke and Brymen's offerings.

You have to compare to the ranges. The worst is usual the high mA range where a 5xxxx meter can drop about 1V at 0.5A (1ohm shunt + 1ohm fuse), in the 121GW the worst is 0.1V at 50mA. The 500mA range is much lower because it uses the 10A shunt and fuse.
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #87 on: December 05, 2017, 05:33:13 pm »
Dave, when you claim "Low Burden" voltage, which meters did you have in mind for comparison? I initially thought the low current ranges on this meter would be as good as having a built-in µCurrent, but the specs seem about the same as Fluke and Brymen's offerings.

The uCurrent does not have any fuse protection, that's one of the reasons why it's low.
And it depends on the range.
The Brymen 869 as an example, their best meter has 3.3mV/mA, so that's 1.65V on the 500mA range, insanely high. The 121GW is only about 10mV on the 500mA range,  165 times lower!
50mA range, 121GW is 100mV vs 165mV
5mA range, 121GW is 10mV, vs 750mV!

You need to read the specs closer.
 
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #88 on: December 05, 2017, 06:43:07 pm »
Would go for it but $30 shipping plus import taxes, duties, and fees from DHL would all add up.
$30 is a solid deal for DHL express though, I certainly don't blame dave for going with one shipping company and hope it goes well (261k USD atm).

I will investigate re-shippers in the EU.
I think DHL is better than FEDEX and certainly UPS for brokerage fees.  It was the last time I had one, but that was a very long time ago.  Canada Post is by far the cheapest in this regard but depending on country of origin they'll take their time.  Stuff from the UK Royal Mail comes in a couple days while stuff from China Post takes 4-6 months!  Naturally you're going to be on the hook for taxes and customs.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #89 on: December 05, 2017, 06:50:42 pm »
Regarding shipping to EU, measuring equipment should be free from import duties (other than tax).
Please clearly indicate on the shipping form it is an "instrument for measuring electrical quantities."

I do not know if the specific clauses are the same in the EU. In the Netherlands (at least) it should fall under

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SECTION XVIII - Optical, photographic, cinematographic, measuring, checking, precision, medical or surgical instruments and apparatus; clocks and watches; musical instruments; parts and accessories thereof (chapter 90 - 92)
CHAPTER 90 - OPTICAL, PHOTOGRAPHIC, CINEMATOGRAPHIC, MEASURING, CHECKING, PRECISION, MEDICAL OR SURGICAL INSTRUMENTS AND APPARATUS; PARTS AND ACCESSORIES THEREOF
9030       Oscilloscopes, spectrum analysers and other instruments and apparatus for measuring or checking electrical quantities, excluding meters of heading 9028; instruments and apparatus for measuring or detecting alpha, beta, gamma, X-ray, cosmic or other ionising radiation
 
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #90 on: December 05, 2017, 08:35:38 pm »
Regarding CE certification, Dave please read this!!!!!
Not to criticize you. I think you are doing a great job, but you might have been slightly ill-advised regarding CE compliance. Just want to prevent you from running into troubles. Don't be afraid, it is probably only paperwork that needs correcting.
BTW on the technical side it looks like a fantastic product. I also signed up for one.

In the clip I see certificates that contain directives that are not applicable in the EU for this product.
Since the meter contains a bluetooth transmitter, the product as a whole is considered to be a radio, and should fall under the RED directive (2014/53/EU).

Relax, it's fine. It's fully tested to RED Directive 2014/53/EU and will be marked as such on the CE Declaration of Conformity
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #91 on: December 05, 2017, 08:45:18 pm »
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The 121GW is only about 10mV on the 500mA range,  165 times lower!
50mA range, 121GW is 100mV vs 165mV
5mA range, 121GW is 10mV, vs 750mV!
Do those figures include the fuse?
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #92 on: December 06, 2017, 03:11:01 am »
Dave said he has some holographic EEVblog serial number stickers, separate from the manufacturer's serial number, that he'll add to the meter.

Good point. He'd have to unpack them anyway to put the stickers on.

Hopefully Dave comes to his senses when confronted with so much work. It made sense for the uCurrent which just had to be packed and didn't already have a serial number sticker.

Even at 1 minute per DMM it would take a week for 2000 signatures. Will it get to 2000 in the next 9 days? Would a sweep on who gets closest without going over be a good competition idea? Win a signed 121GW.  8)  ;D


David probably can do some overtime ;P
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #93 on: December 06, 2017, 04:26:10 am »
David probably can do some overtime ;P

You joke, but I've seen it happen.

I once worked at an unnamed video game company. We were going to give away 100 footballs signed by a very famous football player (ie. "soccer").

The football player turns up, signs half a dozen balls and leaves. What to do?

Well... you can't disappoint the fans, can you? We got one of the artist guys to do all the others.

 
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #94 on: December 06, 2017, 05:18:22 am »
We got one of the artist guys to do all the others.

 :-DD That's a good one. Probably also tells you why you shouldn't ever buy autographed stuff…
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #95 on: December 06, 2017, 06:07:48 am »
You joke, but I've seen it happen.

I once worked at an unnamed video game company. We were going to give away 100 footballs signed by a very famous football player (ie. "soccer").

The football player turns up, signs half a dozen balls and leaves. What to do?

Well... you can't disappoint the fans, can you? We got one of the artist guys to do all the others.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #96 on: December 06, 2017, 06:26:28 am »
Regarding CE certification, Dave please read this!!!!!
Not to criticize you. I think you are doing a great job, but you might have been slightly ill-advised regarding CE compliance. Just want to prevent you from running into troubles. Don't be afraid, it is probably only paperwork that needs correcting.
BTW on the technical side it looks like a fantastic product. I also signed up for one.

In the clip I see certificates that contain directives that are not applicable in the EU for this product.
Since the meter contains a bluetooth transmitter, the product as a whole is considered to be a radio, and should fall under the RED directive (2014/53/EU).

Relax, it's fine. It's fully tested to RED Directive 2014/53/EU and will be marked as such on the CE Declaration of Conformity

Sorry for having been too panicky. I just got afraid with you waiving around 'illegal' certificates and with the current (kickstarter) manual being a big mix-up between old and new regulations.
I can imagine, a lot of this stuff has been prepared before June 13 (The day the radio regulations have changed).

With a recent market survey of led flood lights, only 2 out of 90 were compliant to CE regulations, with 87% having serious problems (not just paperwork). This in combination with the new RED regulations being in force for half a year now causes customs to be much more stringent regarding the CE regulation. Especially Germany and Finland block a lot of stuff at customs.

I am happy now that you now have a proper DoC. Less chance of having issues with customs.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #97 on: December 06, 2017, 08:28:44 am »
Some questions about the features after reading the user manual (2017-11-25 edition):

Page 26, RANGE button: the manual suggests that it is just for selecting the range of the diode test. Is this true? Doesn't it also allow to switch between manual and auto ranging in all the regular measurement functions and to manually select a specific range for e.g. dc voltage etc.? I mean even the Aneng AN8008 cheapo has selectable manual and auto ranging...

Page 46, CSV format: the manual suggests that the CSV data stored on sd card doesn't contain date and time of each data point. This would severly impact usability of this feature, as you'd have to manually note the exact time you started logging to be able to correlate the data to external events later. Especially since the meter contains a coin cell and a RTC to keep date and time this is a feature I'd expect the meter to have.

Another feature I hope the meter would have: remember the secondary function selected last time on a specific rotary switch position. So when I selected continuity test last time, I'd like the meter to automatically go to continuity (instead of ohms) when I move the rotary switch to ohms/continuity/diode. I think this should be possible since the coin cell and rtc is surely able to store a few bytes in battery backed ram without needing to wear out the flash over time.
 

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #98 on: December 06, 2017, 03:33:31 pm »
Thanks for posting the live video replay on youtube, I could not get it to play on Kickstarter  :-+
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: 121GW Multimeter on Kickstarter
« Reply #99 on: December 06, 2017, 07:46:44 pm »
@electronic_eel No need to manually note the time as the file creation date already contains that. And storing both date and time for each measurement would be a waste of storage when you can just calculate it from the start time and number of measurements.
 


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