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Electronics => Crowd Funded Projects => Topic started by: Nioonmo on October 22, 2018, 02:38:44 am

Title: E.box
Post by: Nioonmo on October 22, 2018, 02:38:44 am
Hi,
E.box is a completely new all-in-one device, it combines an oscilloscope, a multimeter and an audio capture device. Can be simply used like a smart plug for your home or a power analyzer for your lab. You can control E.box with our open source pc software or from your smartphone using the web interface.
It simply works like an extension cord: connect E.box between the power source and the appliance. E.box has three communication interfaces: a usb port for a fast data transfer and raw samples streaming, a dual CAN bus connector to chain multiple devices using ethernet cables and a CAN to USB adapter, a wifi web-server that allows you to monitor the device from a browser even remotely.

Have you ever wanted to monitor the power consumption of an appliance in your home, turning it on or off remotely? Are you a hobbyist tinkering with an electronic device and you want to view the current and voltage waveform of a transformer or a power supply? Are you a professional looking for a portable and light device to help you identifying faults? Are you a crypto miner and you want to monitor the power consumption of your farm? Now you can.

(https://i.imgur.com/WdkUYxM.jpg)

How to use:
E.box can be used as:

Features:

What makes it special?

Why did you make it?
Our goal is to create a simple, reliable and easy to use device at an affordable price. E.box not only is specialized in energy metering but also mixes multiple instruments, allowing you to see voltage and current waveforms, helping you recognize faults. You can diagnose motor speed controllers, uninterruptible power supplies, and many other appliances.
Title: Re: E.box a completely new All-in-One test instrument now available on Tindie
Post by: awallin on October 22, 2018, 03:13:22 am
with euro-plugs that plug in two ways you can't be sure which is L and which is N. Isn't that a good motivation for breaking both L and N (but not PE) when you want to switch things off?
Title: Re: E.box a completely new All-in-One test instrument now available on Tindie
Post by: Nioonmo on October 22, 2018, 03:31:06 am
E.box is able to measure voltage between neutral and ground, so if you connect in the wrong way you can notice it
We have planned a software update to display a warning message if E.box is connected incorrectly
Title: Re: E.box a completely new All-in-One test instrument now available on Tindie
Post by: dunkemhigh on October 22, 2018, 11:48:32 am
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Our goal is to create a simple, reliable and easy to use device

A mains controller with built-in multimeter? That's not really a simple device - when or why would I want to use it? I have mains controllers that control mains well. I have (too many) multimeters that do multimetering very well. I can't envision a situation where it would be worth the time to take this out of its box for those features.

It sounds to me like you've made some mains monitoring thing and figured that the bit that measures the waveform could also be tapped into to provide low voltage input too, so you've added that because you could. But in doing so I think you are confusing the message of what this device is really about.

I would suggest that you forget the multimeter stuff. Sure, leave it in and it's a nice surprised to a purchaser, but that's all it is and shouldn't appear in the blurb. Making it a feature detracts from the more unusual features that are what will sell this. Concentrate instead on the mains waveform and power monitoring, and the relay stuff is a sub-feature of those.
Title: Re: E.box a completely new All-in-One test instrument now available on Tindie
Post by: Nioonmo on October 22, 2018, 07:32:51 pm
We have designed E.box as a powerful and flexible device, having direct access to voltage and current samples offers numerous opportunities. E.box is not intended to replace your multimeter, its main purpose is to monitor a power rail but can be useful in many other situations.
Title: Re: E.box a completely new All-in-One test instrument now available on Tindie
Post by: 2N3055 on October 22, 2018, 08:12:51 pm
Not a single word mentioning safety standards.   Not a single one.  It is something connected to mains, and human operated equipment.
Something you would have connected to mains for days, increasing statistical probability it would be exposed to over-voltage spikes..

I would be very cautious...
Title: Re: E.box a completely new All-in-One test instrument now available on Tindie
Post by: julianhigginson on October 22, 2018, 08:24:43 pm
Yikes! What safety compliance testing have you done?
Title: Re: E.box a completely new All-in-One test instrument now available on Tindie
Post by: Nioonmo on October 22, 2018, 09:01:51 pm
Thank you for asking this, sorry if we didn’t write anything about this topic.
E.box is rated for 2400V 50A overload for a few seconds.
Insulation is rated for 800V continuous, 5kV for 1 minute.
Title: Re: E.box a completely new All-in-One test instrument now available on Tindie
Post by: julianhigginson on October 23, 2018, 04:45:39 pm
Thank you for asking this, sorry if we didn’t write anything about this topic.
E.box is rated for 2400V 50A overload for a few seconds.
Insulation is rated for 800V continuous, 5kV for 1 minute.

that answer is actually worse than the initial lack of info about electrical safety standard compliance in the first place.
Title: Re: E.box a completely new All-in-One test instrument now available on Tindie
Post by: Nioonmo on October 23, 2018, 07:13:37 pm
We don't understand why you don't like the specified ratings.
Every E.box is tested with high current transformers (up to 50A) and high voltage transformers (up to 2kV).
From these data you can understand that E.box tolerates larger overloads than the overload immunity of most of the domestic appliances that are plugged in 24/7 like power supplies and chargers.
E.box is our first product, we are not a company, we are a team of young electronic designers.
We wrote in this forum to receive advice on how to improve E.box. We can respond to your questions, just tell us what you want to know precisely.
Title: Re: E.box a completely new All-in-One test instrument now available on Tindie
Post by: 2N3055 on October 23, 2018, 07:28:57 pm
We don't understand why you don't like the specified ratings.
Every E.box is tested with high current transformers (up to 50A) and high voltage transformers (up to 2kV).
From these data you can understand that E.box tolerates larger overloads than the overload immunity of most of the domestic appliances that are plugged in 24/7 like power supplies and chargers.
E.box is our first product, we are not a company, we are a team of young electronic designers.
We wrote in this forum to receive advice on how to improve E.box. We can respond to your questions, just tell us what you want to know precisely.

That is an honest answer. That is good.

Please look here :
http://www.ni.com/white-paper/2827/en/ (http://www.ni.com/white-paper/2827/en/)

That should get you started.
Title: Re: E.box a completely new All-in-One test instrument now available on Tindie
Post by: Nioonmo on October 23, 2018, 10:51:18 pm
Thank you for your advice.
We are now performing more overvoltage tests in our lab to better understand E.box transient immunity
Title: Re: E.box a completely new All-in-One test instrument now available on Tindie
Post by: timgiles on October 24, 2018, 12:05:22 am
Its refreshing to have a group of EEs asking for advice and taking the time to process that advice :-)
Title: Re: E.box a completely new All-in-One test instrument now available on Tindie
Post by: Cyberdragon on October 24, 2018, 01:58:23 am
Thank you for your advice.
We are now performing more overvoltage tests in our lab to better understand E.box transient immunity

You still have to get the device certified. Unless you are qualified for in-house certification, you have to actually send the device to their testing labs to be certified.

https://www.ul.com/customer-resources/preparing-for-your-ul-mark-evaluation/ (https://www.ul.com/customer-resources/preparing-for-your-ul-mark-evaluation/)

You also have to get your CE certification.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/product/ce-mark/index_en.htm (https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/product/ce-mark/index_en.htm)
Title: Re: E.box a completely new All-in-One test instrument now available on Tindie
Post by: Nioonmo on October 24, 2018, 04:02:21 am
We think that only companies have the possibility to obtain this type of certification.
As we wrote above, we are a group of students not a company.
This is why our product is only available on Tindie (a store for hobbyists) in limited quantities, we do not do it for business and we are not interested in mass production.

We are happy to answer any questions or perform any tests in our lab and share it with the community.
Title: Re: E.box a completely new All-in-One test instrument now available on Tindie
Post by: Bassman59 on October 24, 2018, 06:20:35 am
We think that only companies have the possibility to obtain this type of certification.
As we wrote above, we are a group of students not a company.
This is why our product is only available on Tindie (a store for hobbyists) in limited quantities, we do not do it for business and we are not interested in mass production.

The lawyer who sues you for wrongful death doesn't care whether you are a company or a group of students, nor does he care whether the product was sold through standard retail channels or through Tindie.
Title: Re: E.box a completely new All-in-One test instrument now available on Tindie
Post by: Mr. Scram on October 24, 2018, 06:26:40 am
The lawyer who sues you for wrongful death doesn't care whether you are a company or a group of students, nor does he care whether the product was sold through standard retail channels or through Tindie.
While true, the ability to show you did due diligence should make a relevant difference. The CE certification can be self certified in a lot of cases.
Title: Re: E.box a completely new All-in-One test instrument now available on Tindie
Post by: 2N3055 on October 24, 2018, 07:13:13 am
The lawyer who sues you for wrongful death doesn't care whether you are a company or a group of students, nor does he care whether the product was sold through standard retail channels or through Tindie.
While true, the ability to show you did due diligence should make a relevant difference. The CE certification can be self certified in a lot of cases.
This..
But you do have to do the process, do it according to ALL applicable standards, have technical file and all diligently documented.
In which case you can self certify. Unless one of the standards stipulate that some measurements have to be done by certified lab.

It's not easy.
Title: Re: E.box a completely new All-in-One test instrument now available on Tindie
Post by: Mr. Scram on October 24, 2018, 09:37:17 am
This..
But you do have to do the process, do it according to ALL applicable standards, have technical file and all diligently documented.
In which case you can self certify. Unless one of the standards stipulate that some measurements have to be done by certified lab.

It's not easy.
I suspect that a lot of products wouldn't make the cut if you'd look hard enough, but that's a different discussion.
Title: Re: E.box a completely new All-in-One test instrument now available on Tindie
Post by: Nioonmo on October 24, 2018, 09:52:05 pm
Putting the CE mark on a product, as many do, is not sufficient (for example most of the products from china).
Obtain the self-certification is not simple: one of the fundamental aspect is that you have to sign up your company in the register of manufacturers, and do it for business.

Regarding the security aspect of the product, this has been one of the fundamental aspect in the development of E.box: the circuit board is safe and insulated.
Thanks to the requests of the community, we are dedicating more time to perform advanced overload tests, and we will share the results with you when they will be available.
We want to inform you that every E.box is shipped with a safety precaution manual to keep you and E.box safe.