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Offline Jarrod Roberson

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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #125 on: April 12, 2014, 02:35:38 PM »
They went and purged their blog entries from "lets make robots" apparently. I didn't get to see what noob questions they were asking, but I can guess they didn't paint their "experience" in a good light.

Anyone with any common sense and critical thinking can see that this thing will NEVER track straight enough to print out anything resembling the laser printouts they are "simulating" ( scamming ).

Apparently kickstarter and igg are taking the old adage "there is a sucker born every minute" and "a fool and his money are soon parted" to the most extreme social experiment possible.
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Offline Duane Degn

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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #126 on: April 12, 2014, 03:10:38 PM »
Jarrod,

I don't think he had any blogs. His questions were in the forum. You can see this questions by clicking "track". Here's a link.
http://letsmakerobots.com/user/20833/track

They might be ignorant enough to think what they propose is possible.
 

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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #127 on: April 14, 2014, 02:38:09 AM »
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/beta-bioled-the-first-hand-held-blood-analyzer
Well, I don't have guts ti say it's scam right away, but it is at least very suspicious.
 
As I have some background in light measurements and chemistry (spectroscopy, radiospectrometry) - claiming, that their setup consisting of few assorted LEDs spread over the spectrum without any further filtering plus light integrator provided better results than commercital absobrtion spectrometers is just bullshit in my opinion.
Even with basic low cost miniautre spectrometer modules you have FWHM in 5nm range at least - and they are trying to convince me, that they can do better with LEDs, which spectra is gaussian shaped, spreaded over tens of nanometers will provide better results ? I don't think so. Based on this measurement, I would be able to resolve between basic colors of sample and mabye little bit about its transmittance, but hell no somethning about chemical composition of sample.
Only semiconductor light source capable of producing narrow enough spectra is laser diode, but then you are stucked basically to a few points in whole spectra - how could you estimate composition based on that (yep, Raman scattering, I know, but it really doesn't seem they are that far - and you are still tied to full spectra measuring and cost and effort for propper light filtering added) ? You simply won't get away without using prism, or diffraction grating - or am I missing something important ?
Oh, and did I mentioned that most valuable data about chemical composition of sample in case of optical spectrometry does not lie in visible part of spectra, but UV and infra ?

I'd like to hear somebody else opinion about this.
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Offline Jarrod Roberson

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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #128 on: April 16, 2014, 03:41:16 AM »
I figure anything making medical or energy claims is 100% bogus and a scam and stop reading immediately.
 

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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #129 on: April 30, 2014, 07:17:38 PM »
"Meet SCiO. It is the world's first affordable molecular sensor that fits in the palm of your hand. SCiO is a tiny spectrometer and allows you to get instant relevant information about the chemical make-up of just about anything around you, sent directly to your smartphone."

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/903107259/scio-your-sixth-sense-a-pocket-molecular-sensor-fo

Some claims:

* Get nutritional facts about different kinds of food: salad dressings, sauces, fruits, cheeses, and much more.
* See how ripe an Avocado is, through the peel!
* Find out the quality of your cooking oil.
* Know the well being of your plants.
* Analyze soil or hydroponic solutions.
* Authenticate medications or supplements.
* Upload and tag the spectrum of any material on Earth to our database. Even yourself !
 

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« Reply #130 on: May 01, 2014, 08:14:53 PM »
"Meet SCiO. It is the world's first affordable molecular sensor that fits in the palm of your hand. SCiO is a tiny spectrometer and allows you to get instant relevant information about the chemical make-up of just about anything around you, sent directly to your smartphone."

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/903107259/scio-your-sixth-sense-a-pocket-molecular-sensor-fo

Some claims:

* Get nutritional facts about different kinds of food: salad dressings, sauces, fruits, cheeses, and much more.
* See how ripe an Avocado is, through the peel!
* Find out the quality of your cooking oil.
* Know the well being of your plants.
* Analyze soil or hydroponic solutions.
* Authenticate medications or supplements.
* Upload and tag the spectrum of any material on Earth to our database. Even yourself !

not a scam, its an ir spectrometer in a very small form factor. same thing nasa uses to analyze stars hundreds of light years away
+ company lets journalists touch and use their _working prototypes_
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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #131 on: May 03, 2014, 11:35:56 PM »
Seen this new project? what do you think about it...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lix3d/lix-the-smallest-3d-printing-pen-in-the-world

Seems that the project is getting very popular... few things that I would put a warning are:

- Power from USB, let's say limited to 2.5W. This will limit a lot the melting speed of the filament
- I think that supports only one type of filament material /speed-temperature settings (for optimal extrusion)?



 

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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #132 on: May 09, 2014, 01:19:31 PM »
It's taken a while, but it looks like government is starting to take notice of crowdfunding scams. State of Washington vs. Asylum 5/1/2014

Interestingly, within a day of that being posted to the comments page of a kickstarter project that's been mostly ignored by the creator for a year, they've made two update posts already. Might not have anything to do with them being a Washington state company / resident. But then again, maybe it's not a coincidence.
 

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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #133 on: May 09, 2014, 10:12:18 PM »
Seen this new project? what do you think about it...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lix3d/lix-the-smallest-3d-printing-pen-in-the-world

Seems that the project is getting very popular... few things that I would put a warning are:

- Power from USB, let's say limited to 2.5W. This will limit a lot the melting speed of the filament
- I think that supports only one type of filament material /speed-temperature settings (for optimal extrusion)?

It "prints" at about a snail's pace.(most all of the videos are speed up) - I'm sure they shot day's worth of video to get something usable looking.

But as a consumer it screams "YES, I can 3d print something!  I don't need to know arduino, or C or wire up a bunch of stuff!  I can 3D print in the AIR!"

You might laugh at it.  But that's what they want. (I'll call them/they "pro-sumers" - not quite consumers, and not pro)

That is how you start up a great kickstarter.  Like it or not.  Not that I would ever do that.  You'll sell 10,000 of something that is kinda pointless.






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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #134 on: May 17, 2014, 11:18:34 AM »
Not a scam....but this is an interesting breakdown of a kickstarter art poster project. It's a poster of the The Brooklyn Bridge made using typography.

The guy misspelled Brooklyn ("Brookyln"), and not him or any of his backers ever saw the error until most of them had shipped.

https://medium.com/@cameronmoll/5b374cfeb43c

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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #135 on: May 17, 2014, 01:10:17 PM »
The guy misspelled Brooklyn ("Brookyln"), and not him or any of this backers ever saw the error untill most of them had shipped.
That's quite an interesting story! Thanks for sharing. I guess the focus was on that guy's amazing artwork, and not on the text at the bottom. :)
 

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« Reply #136 on: May 18, 2014, 06:07:09 PM »
The guy misspelled Brooklyn ("Brookyln"), and not him or any of his backers ever saw the error until most of them had shipped.
Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteres are at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a tatol mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe.
 
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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #137 on: May 18, 2014, 07:03:25 PM »
Google Disemvoweling.  And make you you spell it right...or you might get some NSFW results.

..........a piece of alphabetic text is rewriting it with all the vowel letters removed.[1][broken citation] This original sentence:

    The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog

would, after being disemvowelled, look like this:

    Th qck brwn fx jmps vr th lzy dg







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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #138 on: May 22, 2014, 08:35:29 PM »
There is a Kickstarter a couple years ago that successfully funded and complete a first run of such a '3-d' pen - the 3doodler: http://the3doodler.com/

I have one now for printing out simple toys and things for my nieces - it's ~ok~, and this new project isn't going to make a better one.
 

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« Reply #139 on: May 27, 2014, 05:45:05 AM »
100% efficient drivechain invention, seems legit :)

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/367465572/chi-eer-a-real-efficient-engine-motor?ref=category

What the heck was he washing? Clothes covered in blood? Geeze.

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« Reply #140 on: May 27, 2014, 06:30:22 AM »
What the heck was he washing? Clothes covered in blood? Geeze.

Looks like he was washing the bane of anyone who washes clothing (especially parents): new, brightly-colored shirts. :) Either that, or he added some dye for color...
 

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« Reply #141 on: June 06, 2014, 08:05:38 AM »
I am speechless that some one actually is going to pay $199 or one of their early prototypes.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sparqee/umbrella-usb

Not really dodgy since most people wouldn't know how to make one of this but charging $99 for a custom engraved yellow anodized aluminum edition sound like they don't care about taking advantage of ignorant people

 

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« Reply #142 on: June 06, 2014, 10:24:37 AM »
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charging $99 for a custom engraved yellow anodized aluminum edition

They are not a shop, and people coughing the dosh are not customers. They are looking for funding, and punters are investing in their vision. The 'perks' are what you get for investing.

How do you feel about the $5 perk on most kickstarters that give you nothing at all except a warm feeling? Is that overpriced? Doesn't that "sound like they don't care about taking advantage of ignorant people"?

With the perk you express amazement about, no-one is buying a $3 USB plug for $99. They are investing $99 in this project, and the project people are gifting an anodised USB plug (limited edition) as a thank-you.
 

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« Reply #143 on: June 10, 2014, 01:07:57 AM »
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charging $99 for a custom engraved yellow anodized aluminum edition

They are not a shop, and people coughing the dosh are not customers. They are looking for funding, and punters are investing in their vision. The 'perks' are what you get for investing.

How do you feel about the $5 perk on most kickstarters that give you nothing at all except a warm feeling? Is that overpriced? Doesn't that "sound like they don't care about taking advantage of ignorant people"?

With the perk you express amazement about, no-one is buying a $3 USB plug for $99. They are investing $99 in this project, and the project people are gifting an anodised USB plug (limited edition) as a thank-you.

and in addition there are people out there which will pay whatever they need to pay just to have something different/unique.
so  why not let them pay and support the project if they're willing to pay much more for unique/limited edition item ?

and btw.. this project is not dodgy - that little thingy is useful and pretty doable. it's not only useful just because of security (for real end-users unaware of possible risks and ways to protect themselves ), but also to get rid of the annoying  "charge only/mass storage" prompt on many phones  while charging from a computer ;)
 

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« Reply #144 on: June 10, 2014, 05:26:40 AM »
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that little thingy is useful and pretty doable

It is not just doable: I have one I bought a couple of years ago (mini-USB to micro-USB adaptor, and I wanted a data connection so thought it was crap at the time!). Indeed, a quick search of Ebay turns up:

eBay auction: #321254386023

 

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« Reply #145 on: June 10, 2014, 05:42:59 AM »
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that little thingy is useful and pretty doable

It is not just doable: I have one I bought a couple of years ago (mini-USB to micro-USB adaptor, and I wanted a data connection so thought it was crap at the time!). Indeed, a quick search of Ebay turns up:

eBay auction: #321254386023

the description seems to be dodgy. they're reffering to the  "dumb USB mode" which is the 0,5A spec. while they're talking about boost to 1A... most of the usb ports are not even capable of 1A (physically).
 

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« Reply #146 on: June 10, 2014, 05:59:31 AM »
I included that as an example of stuff already out there (negating the need for the kickstarter, possibly). I didn't intend to suggest anything about the quality or implementation of it.
 

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« Reply #147 on: June 10, 2014, 06:05:10 AM »
I included that as an example of stuff already out there (negating the need for the kickstarter, possibly). I didn't intend to suggest anything about the quality or implementation of it.

i know how you meant it ;) i was just commenting on the product itself, since i spotted something dodgy in the description ;)
 

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« Reply #148 on: June 10, 2014, 07:34:17 AM »
Oh, right. Have at it, then  :box:
 

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« Reply #149 on: June 14, 2014, 12:03:52 AM »
Umbrella USB :
Why not just making a USB A->micro USB cable with only 2 wires (5V + GND) in it ?
It would just be more practical than a big/ugly dongle plugged in the wall...
 


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