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List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« on: April 30, 2013, 08:11:09 pm »
As the title says, a list of dodgy sounding hardware crowd sourced projects on Kickstarter, Indigogo, Pozzible etc.
To make the list a project must have no real hardware to show (so essentially just promises and fancy marketing), or generally claims that don't seem to add up.
You can also list projects that have ultimately failed to deliver.
A project could also have gotten close to it's estimated shipping date with no hardware or evidence presented that it actually exists and will be delivered.
If you have one to add, email me dave@eevblog.com and I'll update this first post.

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mu-thermal-camera-a-great-tool-to-save-on-energy-costs
(No evidence of any real hardware, even with many backers demanding they show something)

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/meterplug-lower-your-electricbill-measure-real-electric-cost
(days away from the delivery date, only one photo of pre-production units, no updates)
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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2013, 08:29:13 pm »
Umm... Photoshop and why are the BS 1363s upside down in all the pictures?

 

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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2013, 09:53:10 pm »
I can't believe there is space for a relay or SSR in the UK one capable of switching 13 amps.
I also suspect the pin to edge distance is inadequate.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2013, 09:57:51 pm »
I can't believe there is space for a relay or SSR in the UK one capable of switching 13 amps.
I also suspect the pin to edge distance is inadequate.

I suspect the same. One of the resons why it's on the list  ;D
 

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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2013, 04:37:24 am »
Absolute bullshit detected right here:


"If you leave your Xbox 360 or Playstation 3 on, it continues to consume roughly 170 watts of power 24/7"

Tell me how would that pass any sort of Energy Star certifications or even run on its fan when on standby.
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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2013, 05:15:22 am »
Absolute bullshit detected right here:


"If you leave your Xbox 360 or Playstation 3 on, it continues to consume roughly 170 watts of power 24/7"

Tell me how would that pass any sort of Energy Star certifications or even run on its fan when on standby.

PS3: 0.5 W to 1 W in standby according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_hardware#Form_and_power_consumption However, I won't trust the figures completely. Whoever wrote the table didn't even know that it is always Watt, never Watts, even when it is about more than one Watt.
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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2013, 07:39:16 am »
Hm, at the 2:18 of the video you can see the circuit and the relay itself. It seems some kind of low profile relay, the smallest one I managed to find at my store is 15,8mm

http://www.omron.com/ecb/products/pdf/en-g5rl.pdf

which fits with video, and they can handle up to 16A, so that could be plausible. Also at 2:18 you can see the placement of circuit, and probably not in the UK plug casing, and it's blurred.

And there seems to be one more PCB with blue solder mask, what's that?

The numbers are pretty much off, 250$ a year for PS3 or XBox when they are turned on? In standby mode they won't draw that much power, not even in parallel universe. Or they calculated that by the maximum power draw of the consoles?  They probably aim at the market of hard core gamers who play 24/7 and want to see how much power they are consuming while gaming. That got to be it.

Now, how they handled isolation from and creepage distance in that small casing? That seems dodgy.


BTW A little joke about the receptacles, the US receptacles seem frightened by the ghostly face of the UK receptacles.
 

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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2013, 07:58:14 am »
BTW A little joke about the receptacles, the US receptacles seem frightened by the ghostly face of the UK receptacles.

It is rather ghostly, isn't it?
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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2013, 10:13:56 pm »
EU directive states that for a device to be in stand-by it must only draw 0.5W (I would quote numbers on pages here, but I know its this as I'm working on some kit that must conform to this).

There may be devices prior to this directive being implemented that may draw more than 0.5W, but they'd be junked by now! but if your device is drawing more than the 0.5W in standby, then your buying your kit from a dodgy source and would expect nothing less!

so the "vampire detect mode" or whatever bullshit its being flogged as is as much use as a chocolate fire guard, here in the UK and europe!
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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2013, 10:40:18 pm »
"If you leave your Xbox 360 or Playstation 3 on, it continues to consume roughly 170 watts of power 24/7"

It says ON not IN STANDBY. It's still deceptive wording though. Who leaves their console on 24/7? Both of them have auto shutdown timers enabled by default.

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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2013, 11:04:30 pm »
Doesn't look like a Photoshop job.   I thought all UK adapters etc had to be "shuttered" to stop kids poking things in them;  not sure these look shuttered to me.  They promise a lot of spec for such a small space; bet they wished they hadn't gone for the apple charger size format now ;-)
 

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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2013, 11:19:00 pm »
There is an update on the site today, saying they are sending them to UL for testing, for a 3rd time.  There is no need for the UK version to be so small, there is about 1cm of space between the Live/Neutral pins and the sides on a standard plug.  That's one of the reasons the photos look computer generated, they would look strange with a much wider plug plugged into them
 

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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2013, 11:27:44 pm »
The Schuko socket on these things looks dodgy to me. Looks like it's maybe halve as deep as a proper socket.
I have my doubts this would be legal as it seriously diminishes the contact area of the PE clips. A little wiggle and your class 1 appliance becomes a death trap.
 

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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2013, 12:51:43 am »
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mayan-quantum-energy-pyramid-in-the-usa

 :-DD   :palm:  :scared:

Their cost breakdown doesn't specify how much they plan to spend on catering so I think this sounds a bit dodgy!
 

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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2013, 12:57:20 am »
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/energy-multiplier-cleaner-efficient-energy-production?c=home

 |O

Check out all the cool stuff you get if you donate $10,000!

"Receive a paper certificate stating your level of contribution with your name and personally signed by the inventor. Also receive exclusive updates via indiegogo.com on the progress of development. Get exclusive access to our VIP Platinum Members area of our website. See website for details. ** This is redeemable through direct purchase of products offered only through our members area **"

... A piece of paper with the guy's name written on it! Wow!
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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2013, 09:28:24 am »
Umm. Wow. I just bought an energy consumption meter for £6 on eBay, but even "rip-off Maplin" sell them for around £10~£15.
Granted, it's not wifi, but it does everything you need it to do. Volts, Amps, Watts, PF, VA, Cost, kWh.

So, power consumption of some household appliances:

Panasonic 46" 1080p plasma TV. Standby: 0W (min 1W measure). Operational with no signal 130W. Average TV around 350W, peak 635W with random black/white noise pattern. (Power limiter kicks in after 20 seconds and drops power consumption to 550W max.)

Samsung 40" 1080p LCD TV. Standby: 0W. Operational: 180W.

Yamaha RX-V450 amplifier. Standby: 0W. Operational (no audio): 40W. Operational with average TV program audio 44W.

Desktop PC. Standby: 8W. Operational: 180W idle, 200W under load.

Cheap LCD monitor (24"). Standby: 0W. Operational: 40W.

Laptop (Thinkpad X201): Standby with charged battery: 0W. Operational with no battery: 13W.

PlayStation 3, 80GB early gen "fat". Standby: 0W. Operational: 145W**.

** This is probably where they get their "170W" figure from; while on the home screen (not playing a game) it does use a metric ton of power. However, it also makes quite a lot of noise. I doubt I'd leave this running.

As can be seen, almost everything, bar my desktop, uses less than one watt in standby. People fuss over standby power, but it really isn't a big deal. Watching my plasma TV for 2.4 seconds uses the same amount of power as it would in one hour being in standby (the service documentation rates it at 0.2W.)
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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2013, 12:17:11 pm »
"If you leave your Xbox 360 or Playstation 3 on, it continues to consume roughly 170 watts of power 24/7"

It says ON not IN STANDBY. It's still deceptive wording though. Who leaves their console on 24/7? Both of them have auto shutdown timers enabled by default.

My XBOX 360 consoles run for very large portions of every day. Not 24/7, but probably more like 12/7. I have a networked WMC system for DVR and inefficient older model XB360's running as "extenders" in 3 rooms of the house... I wouldn't be shocked to learn that they consume 170W in that mode, although I've not ever tested it.
 

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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2013, 04:58:31 pm »
Oh .....For FOOKS sake!

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fusion-powered-car-part-2

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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2013, 05:16:31 am »
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As can be seen, almost everything, bar my desktop, uses less than one watt in standby. People fuss over standby power, but it really isn't a big deal.

Not a big deal on its own, but there are billions of devices consuming standby power.

Is it worth spending $50 to save 1W of standby power? No. Is it worth spending $50,000,000,000 to save 1,000,000,000W of standby power? No.

Technical illiteracy of those determining energy policy is bad enough, arithmetic illiteracy is a double whammy.
 

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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2013, 08:20:57 am »
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/energy-multiplier-cleaner-efficient-energy-production?c=home

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Check out all the cool stuff you get if you donate $10,000!

"Receive a paper certificate stating your level of contribution with your name and personally signed by the inventor. Also receive exclusive updates via indiegogo.com on the progress of development. Get exclusive access to our VIP Platinum Members area of our website. See website for details. ** This is redeemable through direct purchase of products offered only through our members area **"

... A piece of paper with the guy's name written on it! Wow!

Yep believe it or not some people are that full of themselves.
 

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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2013, 09:31:54 am »
I've got one, its a the flying drone alarm, that's based on a raspy pi.
http://droneshield.org/

Its certainly one for the Alex Jones crowd.
Though it does kinda look legit, and supposed to be open source. 
Open hardware Alfoil hats any one?

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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2013, 09:36:16 am »
I've got one, its a the flying drone alarm, that's based on a raspy pi.
http://droneshield.org/

:-DD With the amount of ambient noise and the variation from one "drone" to the next, I don't think this thing's going to give a positive ID of the drone unless you stick it up the drone's ass. Is a three-inch warning enough?
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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2013, 10:06:13 am »
perhaps droneshield.org should go down the Acoustic mirror route http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_mirror .

"Here at Giant Acoustic mirror.com We build the best 20 ton concrete  non steerable acoustic mirror  money can by. Forget all that radar nonsense
and be the envy of all your crack pot fellow Alex Jones followers, with this gorgeous  monstrosity in your back yard."


I should get into marketing .


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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2013, 07:38:59 pm »
Oh! for furks sake....not the Papp Engine again!!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Papp
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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2013, 08:03:16 pm »
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/chargebite-a-social-charger

Well, at least these guys have working prototypes. Can't see the concept catching on though.
 

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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2013, 08:12:44 pm »
Tell me how would that pass any sort of Energy Star certifications or even run on its fan when on standby.
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10470.pdf

Even a fake gas powered alarm clock managed to get a certificate.
 

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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2013, 08:19:46 pm »
Why not charge your Iphone with a Wanko-Charger tm. patent pending
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« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2013, 04:26:48 am »
Kickstarter is supposed to be a source for crowdfunding of new and, hopefully, innovative projects, not as a way for some individual to come up with the front money to make bulk purchases of already-existing Chinese hardware to sell at a profit to the ignorant:

Ultra-high capacity battery for mobile devices ($144,516 pledged of $25,000 goal)

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/560071831/ultra-high-capacity-battery-for-mobile-devices?ref=card

This individual presented these battery packs of widely different styles (indicating different designers) which were undoubtedly already available from various Chinese manufacturers on alibaba.com as his own development at which point 2,461 clueless people who didn't know these sort of devices have been available for quite some time supported his "project."  All he actually was was nothing more than an eBay seller with people fronting the money to make his bulk purchases of already existing Chinese goods.  I mention this here in case he tries to pull something like this again.
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« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2013, 07:47:32 am »
He's got the money.
They're still waiting for their batteries.
Nice one dude  :-+

 

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« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2013, 08:06:18 am »
Kickstarter is supposed to be a source for crowdfunding of new and, hopefully, innovative projects, not as a way for some individual to come up with the front money to make bulk purchases of already-existing Chinese hardware to sell at a profit to the ignorant:

Ultra-high capacity battery for mobile devices ($144,516 pledged of $25,000 goal)

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/560071831/ultra-high-capacity-battery-for-mobile-devices?ref=card

This individual presented these battery packs of widely different styles (indicating different designers) which were undoubtedly already available from various Chinese manufacturers on alibaba.com as his own development at which point 2,461 clueless people who didn't know these sort of devices have been available for quite some time supported his "project."  All he actually was was nothing more than an eBay seller with people fronting the money to make his bulk purchases of already existing Chinese goods.  I mention this here in case he tries to pull something like this again.
Well, he does make up a fight though, as there is a long-ass post at the end of the FAQ where he claims to disprove the china-copy accusations.

TL;DR, he pretty much says that yes, the cases were designed by a Chinese company, but that they have 'our' one-of-a-kind charging circuit in them.
Best case scenario, if he is telling the truth?
He asked a Chinese manufacturer to make a USB charger with a circuit that he hired someone experienced to design just for him.
Not very kickstartery thing to be honest.
 

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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2013, 05:41:31 pm »
The incoherent designs of the three different products really does look suspicious to me.
 

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« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2013, 10:27:06 pm »
Has anyone heard of these Lutec dudes ? They are still at it with their "free" energy contraption after 10 years. Somehow they still need to drive it from a power source and can't get it to run itself and provide that extra "free" energy at the same time. They obviously failed high school calculus which is what you need to calculate average power ;)

Like PT Barnham said there is a sucker born every minute ;)

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THE world may soon be able to buy one of the Far North's most controversial yet revolutionary inventions.

The Cairns creators of the Lutec 1000 free energy machine have resurfaced after six years of steering clear of the public spotlight, having been granted patents in at least 60 countries around the world, including the US, China and India.

Engineers John Christie and Lou Brits, who have endured intense criticism after they first unveiled their invention in The Cairns Post in 2001, are now preparing to construct a prototype of their revolutionary power device they hope to market within the next two years.

The dynamic duo said they felt somewhat vindicated they had been able to land patents for their device and have had the Lutec verified by an independent engineer.

"When we first kicked off, there was a huge fuss about it and people said we’d never get patents for it," Mr Christie said.

"They said it would never work, so we couldn’t get patents, so it’s a good thing to see now."

The generator works as an energy amplifier, generating up to 10 times the amount of electricity it consumes.

The Lutec draws its power from a bank of batteries, with the motor turning due to powerful permanent magnets at its core being attracted and then repulsed from steel cores of fixed coils.

It does not work via perpetual motion, rather it relies on natural magnetic forces and a pulsed electrical input.

The results of the generator were verified by independent engineers from SGS Australia following a test earlier this year, which confirmed the energy output from the generator was indeed greater than its input.

Mr Christie said he and Mr Brits were currently working on a production prototype to suit the domestic market, which they hoped to produce locally.

"If we go with our plan now, there is no reason why it couldn’t be available in Australia in two years," he said.

The engineers’ invention has drawn the ire of many people over the years, including the Australian Sceptics Society.

Mr Christie said it had been a roller-coaster ride since they debuted their invention, involving occasional death threats and rumours of their untimely demise.

"Last year I was apparently killed in a hotel in north  Perth somewhere, according to the internet," Mr Christie said. "I was really quite  surprised."


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http://pesn.com/2011/08/16/9501896_Update_on_Lutec_and_Evergreen_Enterprise_International/
 

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« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2013, 12:14:40 am »
The point is if you really want to save money on the electric bill, just switch off the socket at the wall (UK), anywhere else. Unplug the device, or build an adapter that allows you to switch it off, plenty of power switches in old appliances.

This is related but no the same, One thing that makes me laugh when ever I see it is products such as TVs being advertised with "power saving switches". Yes because TVs have not had power switches since they were invented, the funny thing is that people actually buy into this crap.
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« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2013, 01:47:14 am »
TL;DR, he pretty much says that yes, the cases were designed by a Chinese company, but that they have 'our' one-of-a-kind charging circuit in them.
Best case scenario, if he is telling the truth?
He asked a Chinese manufacturer to make a USB charger with a circuit that he hired someone experienced to design just for him.
Not very kickstartery thing to be honest.
so what? this guy has an idea , went to a chinese manufacturer , specified i want these battery packs ( maH wise) i want to charge it through mini-usb , i want 4 leds and a button that show how much juice ie remainign and i want these colors.
chinese factory does engineering work , builds proto. dude looks at it , mods it a bit so it is more to his liking, contracts another company to make paper box , contracts desgn company to make logo.

there is nothing wrong with that. just because he didn't etch his own board , or knows nothing about electronics means this is a fake. he just sources various bits , has written a specification of what it needs to do and found a manufacturing partner.

his last post shows the chinese truck loaded with boxes coming this way.

its no different than the makerbot guys. their first version they simply bought an arduino and slapped on some bits of wood and two motors. they had no clue how to make a pcb. they simply sourced something. worse. they even 'found' their software. it's all slapped together bits from other people.. even today...

it' also no different from sony ... you buy a lcd tv from sony , take the shell off and what do you find ? samsung... all the way. sony specs it , desings the case and packaging and has samsung mass produce the . the 'design' is sony as far as the livery and logo. they didn't even specifiy one resistor in the whole thing. samsung produces that model for sony and sony only.

this is what a lot of OEM's do. they design 50 different products all variations on a theme and they publish a catalog. proespective buyers pick a model and pay for the rights to make it their own. that particular model is then 'tweaked' in dress colors and sold under the buyers name.

Haier , Taepo and Minhwa are a wellknown manufacturer of such things. they have a massive catalog of products. first come first pick and its yours's. nobody else will get that exact model.
almost any LCD tv you buy from off-name brands (coby, magnavox, memorex , westinghouse and others ) are made by taepo. they have over a thousand models. but model 734 is exclusively licences to coby and will get the coby logo on it. nobody else can use model 734.  these catalogues are updated every year or every 6 months.

So this batterypack dude did the same. he went through the catalogue, picked three models he likes ,specced blue lcd's ( all these models can be finetuned with options. the option mix is your exclusivity ), psecced batterygauge, specced the cables that need be in the box. then he picked a packaging supplier , signed contracts , plonked down money and off we go. he did the legwork.

condemning for him would be like blasting away at a car dealer becasue 'he doesn't build the cars.. he gets them for a manufacturer, marks em up and then peddles em to the masses.  same stuff.

i know one thing. when that aluminum one hits the store shelves, i'm getting one.
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« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2013, 05:27:30 am »
When trying to cut the electricity bill we tried turning off every device not being used by removing the plugs from the socket, and it made NO difference at all on the electric reading.
 

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« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2013, 07:45:40 am »
High capacity battery packs with usb are readily available from China and have been for several years.

http://tinyurl.com/d5tzaf5

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« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2013, 08:30:46 am »
High capacity battery packs with usb are readily available from China and have been for several years.

http://tinyurl.com/d5tzaf5

What part of SCAM don't you understand? |O

And just what part of 'i buy cheap battery packs in china, put em in nice packaging, throw in a few cables , take care of importing them in bulk to get price down ,  take all the work out of the process so you don't have to deal with shady sites and add a markup for this work' is part of a SCAM ?

Anything sold in western stores sails under the above flag...
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« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2013, 08:39:07 am »
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/560071831/ultra-high-capacity-battery-for-mobile-devices?ref=card
Read the pitch
Read the comments and updates.

$150,000 raised and nothing delivered as yet.
Sharp business practice?
Scam?
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« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2013, 08:55:25 am »
Why the hell is an "ultra-high capacity battery for mobile devices" even worth backing for people?? The batteries are rechargeable! I've never had a phone that didn't last me almost all day at least. Get better phones...  ???
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« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2013, 09:41:55 am »
Has anyone heard of these Lutec dudes ? They are still at it with their "free" energy contraption after 10 years. Somehow they still need to drive it from a power source and can't get it to run itself and provide that extra "free" energy at the same time. They obviously failed high school calculus which is what you need to calculate average power ;)
Like PT Barnham said there is a sucker born every minute ;)

http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2010/08/10/121755_local-business-news.html

So, it's two years done the track, can I buy one?  :-DD
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« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2013, 10:20:10 am »
Has anyone heard of these Lutec dudes ? They are still at it with their "free" energy contraption after 10 years. Somehow they still need to drive it from a power source and can't get it to run itself and provide that extra "free" energy at the same time. They obviously failed high school calculus which is what you need to calculate average power ;)
Like PT Barnham said there is a sucker born every minute ;)

http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2010/08/10/121755_local-business-news.html

So, it's two years done the track, can I buy one?  :-DD
These Lutec guys have been pushing this forever it seems.

They claim to have patents in 60 countries so it must work except they can't seem to demonstrate it powering itself which is the true test of any of these claims. Why do they keep wanting money for if they claim it works ? If something like this worked as they claimed, it would easily sell itself in much the same way as a battery that never went flat !! The BS meter is working over time with these dudes  :bullshit:

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« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2013, 11:18:31 am »
When trying to cut the electricity bill we tried turning off every device not being used by removing the plugs from the socket, and it made NO difference at all on the electric reading.
Just maybe all of those devices you turned off and/or unplugged, had a negligible draw while idle or in standby mode...
And the last time I checked, most electric meters don't have a sub-unit resolution (e.g. won't indicate .1 or .01 kWh).
So, for example, let's unplug 20 devices, each of which draws 1 watt in idle/standby, all the time, 24/7...
1 W * 24 hours  * 31 Days = 744 WH = .744kWh.
In my area, that comes out to $.08USD.

Scale it up a bit...
50 devices, each drawing 5 watts in standby...
250 W * 24 H * 31 D = 186,000 WH = 186 kWh.  Again, @ $.11USD/kWh, comes out to about $20.46USD.

Can you really make a good call as to whether or not unplugging all those devices for a month can save you any money?
Is anybody's electrical usage bill that constant over time (and changing seasons) that they'll see a measurable, noticeable difference without some well thought out analysis and number gathering?
Me thinks not...
I didn't take it apart.
I turned it on.

The only stupid question is, well, most of them...

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« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2013, 11:36:01 am »
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/560071831/ultra-high-capacity-battery-for-mobile-devices?ref=card
Read the pitch
Read the comments and updates.

$150,000 raised and nothing delivered as yet.
Sharp business practice?
Scam?
 :-\

his timeline says delivery mid may. his last post from a few days ago shows a chinese truck full of cardboard boxes with his product on its way to the harbour ... so he's still on track.
as for the pitch . i understand from the pitch that it;s a box with a rechargeable battery in it that can be used as a powersource to recharge your phone. ideal as a mobile powerpack if you are going on a multiday hike where there are no poweroutlets around. you can recharge your gps , cellphone or whatever. ideal for devices with non-removable batteries as an extrnal mobile powerpack.

it's no more or less than that and he doesn;t make any claims beyond that either. it has a fancy charge status bargraph that tells you how full it is , comes in 3 capacities and the unit itself can be charged from a standard usb port allowing you to charge it from a desktop computer or a usb wall-wart.

i don't see what is wrong with this. it's in the same leage as that bearded dued trying to pitch his newest super shammy or silicone burger spatula or kaboom cleaner on tv.
he has a product idea. he will have em made according to his specs , cables thrown in as well as a carrying pouch , packaged , and will import them . he takes care of everything.
in order not to shell out a ton of money he basically takes pre-orders. anyone signing up through kickstarter basically buys one. he collects the orders and place the bulk order in china. once they arrive in us he sends them out to the end buyer. he pockets a markup for his work.

so again : where is the SCAM ? it's only a scam if you pocket the money and deliver nothing.

the fact that there are other power banks ( i vaguely remeber having seen something lableled 'power  bank' already . i believe energizer ) does not preclude this one.
after all there are already 500 other cleaners , burger spatulas made from non stick silicone, tomato slicers or super absorbent synthetic towels.
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« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2013, 11:44:38 pm »
How much of a percentage do indiegogo and kickstarter take from pledged payments?

What stops someone funding half of the required target themselves to make it appear as if there is big interest? They don't have much to lose since all the money will be going back to themselves anyway... I have seen a few where there are no pledges except one overly-enthusiastic individual who also posts comments.

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« Reply #45 on: May 09, 2013, 12:09:54 am »
How much of a percentage do indiegogo and kickstarter take from pledged payments?

Indigogo: http://www.indiegogo.com/how-pricing-works-on-indiegogo
Kickstarter: http://www.kickstarter.com/start (look for "What fees does Kickstarter charge?")

What stops someone funding half of the required target themselves to make it appear as if there is big interest? They don't have much to lose since all the money will be going back to themselves anyway... I have seen a few where there are no pledges except one overly-enthusiastic individual who also posts comments.

Nothing stops them. While potential con artists don't risk paying fees on Kickstarter if their con game doesn't play out, the involved fees are probably not much of an issue for a professional con. Their concerns are likely more about executing a convincing (faux) campaign than about the involved fees...

EDIT: And executing a Kickstarter campaign means to have a demonstratable(?) prototype, which creating can be a significant cost factor and requiring expertise the con artist doesn't have. So, although Kickstarter does not charge fees in case funding goals are not met, Kickstarter won't be easy-peasy for con artists -- in most cases it would presumably be more difficult than Indigogo...
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« Reply #46 on: May 09, 2013, 12:11:12 am »
he has a product idea. he will have em made according to his specs

His product idea was being sold on dealextreme 2 years ago, probably in same case with same electronics :)
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« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2013, 09:10:52 pm »
What do you think about this one: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/retrievor-the-complete-gps-tracking-retrieving-solution? I think it´s a scam. They were always talking about the GPS module and there is no information at all how the GPS positioning signal will be transferred (online?) to any receiving device. So at least the GPS module has to be connected to any 3G transceiving device to transmit the actual positioning data to a mobile phone or central positioning station via SMS or other message service. They also claim "Using satelites orbiting the earth to keep track of your RETRIEVOR is an expensive business, which means there is a $5.95 monthly subscription fee for your first RETRIEVOR." Isn´t that complete bullshit? - for me it is! And all the comments seem to be erased.
For me also it seems that in indiegogo there are a lot more scams than in kickstarter. Anyway, my problem is that I´m living in Germany and it seems a lot more easy to me to set a project in indiegogo than in kickstarter, because in kickstarter I need some "friend" in the US or UK.

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« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2013, 11:25:42 pm »
Similar GPS trackers are available for purchase
http://www.dhgate.com/hot-sale-mini-personal-tracker-for-pet-kids/p-ff8080813d66b868013d6cdc125872a0.html#s1-2-1

The "artists impressions" of the proposed Retreivor make it look very desirable.
It's a whole lot smaller than the real world models that you can buy at Aldis or on Ebay.
Always a good trick that.... it sounds nice....people will WANT to believe in it.

But wait.... here's another one...  http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/trax-gps-tracker/trax-gps-tracker-for-children-and-pets

Sounds almost Too Good To Be True!

I wonder how the kickstarter campaign is going

"Amit Shivkumar 7 days ago
Hi All at the TRAX team.
Just wondering if there has been any updates. Less than a month for the deliveries to start !!!
Very keen to get my hands on these gadgets
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The idiegogo version has had all the comments removed. The updates are enlightening though!

RETRIEVOR Development Team posted an announcement 9 days ago
AS already mentioned, we will re-launch a second campaign once this one has run it’s course. We feel that the campaign video and the project page design needs to be of a better standard for our follow on campaign, so we will be calling in help to sort this out for us.

As stated earlier, as a gesture of goodwill to those who have supported us from the beginning with this campaign, we will not be offering the $129 early bird perk on our follow on campaign. The early bird pricing will start at $149 ($30 less than our expected RRP)


What's that horrible ratty smell?
 :-DD
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« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2013, 02:58:43 am »
SUMPOD 3D printer. http://www.indiegogo.com/individuals/164862/campaigns

This guy has 7 campaigns going concurrently, 4 of which are for the same product!

My bullshit meter is going off the scale with this one.  :bullshit:
 

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« Reply #50 on: May 12, 2013, 08:02:55 am »
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/aluminium-3d-printer--8?c=comments
Richard Sum said 5 months ago
Hello,

Please could anyone who doesn’t have a shipping notification please send a phone number for the courier.

Thanks

SUMPOD


GOLLY, where did I hear that before?

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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:35:46 +1030
Subject: [FG]: SMOT Refunds

Hi All,

I need your help to rebuild my list of those who ordered & paid for SMOT
kits.  I lost my original files but do have bank records with dates &
amounts I paid in or came in via overseas funds transfers.

I intend to refund ALL the money whether you want it back or not but I
need you to send me (via the private email below) the date & amount you
sent me.  I can then put names to the dates.

I would prefer to do a direct bank to bank transfer but I can do US or
other currency bank cheques if you prefer.

Thanks for your help as I really do need to get your money back.

I do apologize for the delay but I just haven't been able to afford to do
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« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2013, 10:37:21 am »
Jeez how many 3D printers are they re-inventing and how many more can the market bear ?   |O

And this one takes the cake. A programmable torch. Are you fricken kidding me !!! :palm:

HexBright, an Open Source Light

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/527051507/hexbright-an-open-source-light?ref=category

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HexBright is a stylish, rugged, high-power compact light you can use as-is or reprogram however you want using open-source code.

Why do I need a programmable light? What can I do with that? I don't know yet. And that's the point. I want to release the HexBright Flex into the wild and let the community develop original source code. I want to see how brilliant (pun intended) people can be and supply an outlet (hexbright.com) where folks can swap and share ligthing code. I'm not fundraising just to make creative lights, I want to build online creativity.
 

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« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2013, 10:45:01 am »
And this one takes the cake. A programmable torch. Are you fricken kidding me !!! :palm:

No, the torch enthusiast market is HUGE. It will likely have a big ready market.
Visit the Candlepower forum sometime and see the passion the torch enthusiasts have.
 

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« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2013, 11:22:05 am »
And this one takes the cake. A programmable torch. Are you fricken kidding me !!! :palm:

No, the torch enthusiast market is HUGE. It will likely have a big ready market.
Visit the Candlepower forum sometime and see the passion the torch enthusiasts have.

Torch enthusiasts !!  That's a new one to me. Now I have heard everything  :-DD

I was mucking around with torches in 1st grade in primary school. Looks like I went in the wrong direction when I gave up on torches :(

If I'd had of known this I would have left school early instead of getting an engineering degree ;)

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« Reply #54 on: May 12, 2013, 11:33:57 am »
Torch enthusiasts !!  That's a new one to me. Now I have heard everything  :-DD

I was mucking around with torches in 1st grade in primary school. Looks like I went in the wrong direction when I gave up on torches :(

If I'd had of known this I would have left school early instead of getting an engineering degree ;)

There is hope for us engineers yet ;)

There are people with flashlight fetish.
http://youtu.be/bypi7h6WOGg?t=5m1s

Hexbright took almost two full years, time you could spend using one of the $20 Dealextreme flashlights instead of waiting. On the other hand it appears to be a high quality product, and at the very least ships (I sure hope so :P) with genuine high bin CREE LED (unlike ebay/dealextreme/alliexpress ones).
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« Reply #55 on: May 12, 2013, 11:35:23 am »
There are people with flashlight fetish.
http://youtu.be/bypi7h6WOGg?t=5m1s

Nonono, that's not a flashlight...  ::)
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« Reply #57 on: May 14, 2013, 12:10:15 pm »
Kickstarter is supposed to be a source for crowdfunding of new and, hopefully, innovative projects, not as a way for some individual to come up with the front money to make bulk purchases of already-existing Chinese hardware to sell at a profit to the ignorant:

Ultra-high capacity battery for mobile devices ($144,516 pledged of $25,000 goal)

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/560071831/ultra-high-capacity-battery-for-mobile-devices?ref=card

This individual presented these battery packs of widely different styles (indicating different designers) which were undoubtedly already available from various Chinese manufacturers on alibaba.com as his own development at which point 2,461 clueless people who didn't know these sort of devices have been available for quite some time supported his "project."  All he actually was was nothing more than an eBay seller with people fronting the money to make his bulk purchases of already existing Chinese goods.  I mention this here in case he tries to pull something like this again.
Well, he does make up a fight though, as there is a long-ass post at the end of the FAQ where he claims to disprove the china-copy accusations.

TL;DR, he pretty much says that yes, the cases were designed by a Chinese company, but that they have 'our' one-of-a-kind charging circuit in them.
Best case scenario, if he is telling the truth?
He asked a Chinese manufacturer to make a USB charger with a circuit that he hired someone experienced to design just for him.
Not very kickstartery thing to be honest.


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Aldi have just released in Australia the Traveller MPP-7400 7400mAH battery pack for about $20.  It includes mains charger, 10 output adapters. I believe it is a limited time sale probably ending 9th to 11th Nov. There is I think a smaller unit that will be $12.99 from the 9th to the 15th.

Not a bad thing at all for the price.

http://www.traveler-service.de/popups/MPP_7400_au_popup/index.php

The thing is it has 5 charging LEDs on the front panel.  The instruction book says 4 LEDs means it is fully charged, but in practice no-one can get past 3 LEDs. So I had to take it apart, and photos will be coming. I can confirm that with 3 of the 5 LEDs lit, the battery is fully charged.

The main charger IC has had the most thorough milling job I have ever seen to erase the identity, so now I want to work out what it is.

More photos soon, but I am just giving some advanced notice in case anyone else is interested.

Richard

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WTF?
These batteries were already available from Aldi but these gentlemen could still run their silly kickstarter campaign?

Aaaaaaarrrgh!
 

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« Reply #58 on: May 18, 2013, 12:36:04 am »
What do you think about this one: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/retrievor-the-complete-gps-tracking-retrieving-solution? I think it´s a scam. They were always talking about the GPS module and there is no information at all how the GPS positioning signal will be transferred (online?) to any receiving device. So at least the GPS module has to be connected to any 3G transceiving device to transmit the actual positioning data to a mobile phone or central positioning station via SMS or other message service. They also claim "Using satelites orbiting the earth to keep track of your RETRIEVOR is an expensive business, which means there is a $5.95 monthly subscription fee for your first RETRIEVOR." Isn´t that complete bullshit? - for me it is! And all the comments seem to be erased.
For me also it seems that in indiegogo there are a lot more scams than in kickstarter. Anyway, my problem is that I´m living in Germany and it seems a lot more easy to me to set a project in indiegogo than in kickstarter, because in kickstarter I need some "friend" in the US or UK.

Best regards, Markus

Quite easy to do that, battery management is a slight issue though.   But the subscription is for the data costs on the simcard.  Unless of course it uses WiFi/BT/USB and only dumps the data when its back home.
 

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« Reply #59 on: May 23, 2013, 01:31:19 pm »
How about a magnetic battery?

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-magnetic-battery

Through the magic of IndieGoGo's "flexible funding", he gets to pocket all the money raised and not give anyone anything.

From the project page:

What the Magnetic Battery is:

Following in the footsteps of Tesla, Maxwell, Farraday & Crookes, I've used concepts from electrodynamics, chemistry, magnetism and physics to devise a modified electrodynamic generator that accepts Alternating Current (AC) electricity to be converted into an electromagnetic field. Circulating without resistance (heat) and stored in-phase, the magnetic flux acts as both a seal between the surrounding alloys (preventing damage to circuitry) and as a plentiful power source.
 

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« Reply #60 on: May 23, 2013, 08:20:00 pm »
How about a magnetic battery?

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-magnetic-battery

Through the magic of IndieGoGo's "flexible funding", he gets to pocket all the money raised and not give anyone anything.

From the project page:

What the Magnetic Battery is:

Following in the footsteps of Tesla, Maxwell, Farraday & Crookes, I've used concepts from electrodynamics, chemistry, magnetism and physics to devise a modified electrodynamic generator that accepts Alternating Current (AC) electricity to be converted into an electromagnetic field. Circulating without resistance (heat) and stored in-phase, the magnetic flux acts as both a seal between the surrounding alloys (preventing damage to circuitry) and as a plentiful power source.

they need to stop this kind of sh.t. It doesn't do much for the reputation of the website :(

At least kickstarter has the right idea of forcing people to come up with a working prototype and hopefully an un-doctored video to prove its credibility ;)
 

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« Reply #61 on: May 24, 2013, 12:46:54 am »
Following in the footsteps of Tesla, Maxwell, Farraday & Crookes, I've used concepts from electrodynamics, chemistry, magnetism and physics to devise a modified electrodynamic generator that accepts Alternating Current (AC) electricity to be converted into an electromagnetic field. Circulating without resistance (heat) and stored in-phase, the magnetic flux acts as both a seal between the surrounding alloys (preventing damage to circuitry) and as a plentiful power source.

Suggested applications:  Detecting cloaked Romulan warbirds, powering time machines, triggering supernovae.
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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #62 on: May 24, 2013, 09:18:29 am »
That SumPod 3D printer guy had at least 3 of his 7 campaigns fail to meet funding goals, yet still earned over $20,000 total as flexible funding.  Two of his campaigns ( for the same product no less ) exceeded funding goals by several thousand dollars and there doesn't seem to be any updates, or anyone complaining, for several months up to a year... what's up with that ?

 

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« Reply #63 on: May 25, 2013, 12:30:26 am »
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what's up with that ?

Could it be a fun way to do money laundering? I guess most funds would come via PayPal, and that would be tricky (not to mention tedious) to channel anonymous cash.
 

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« Reply #64 on: May 25, 2013, 05:08:49 am »
Looks like these guys are just reselling an existing product?

Headphone With Touch Technology and Bluetooth
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/headphone-with-touch-technology-and-bluetooth?c=home
http://www.hammacher.com/Product/83551?promo=search
 

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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #65 on: May 27, 2013, 09:08:52 am »
Looks like these guys are just reselling an existing product?

Headphone With Touch Technology and Bluetooth
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/headphone-with-touch-technology-and-bluetooth?c=home
http://www.hammacher.com/Product/83551?promo=search

Wow, check out that impendance!

The real question is, if they're reselling the HS product, how will they be able to make ones in black, red or "limited edition platinum," or any combination thereof? (My money's on spray paint.)
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« Reply #66 on: June 05, 2013, 04:30:42 am »
I see only $155 from two donors, both anonymous. Shills?
 

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« Reply #67 on: June 06, 2013, 06:49:34 am »
This one is so obviously a fraud I don't understand how even indiegogo allowed it to post:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/home-health-care--2

At least no one has put any money into it, but this guy obviously has nothing but a shell to try and dupe people into giving him money.

Additional links:
http://www.ezcourses.org/

His over-the-top, psychotic response to some simple inquiries regarding his product & business plan is the most telling of all:
http://www.linkedin.com/groupItem?view=&gid=2359356&type=member&item=244937141&commentID=141351408&report%2Esuccess=8ULbKyXO6NDvmoK7o030UNOYGZKrvdhBhypZ_w8EpQrrQI-BBjkmxwkEOwBjLE28YyDIxcyEO7_TA_giuRN#commentID_141351408
 

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« Reply #68 on: June 06, 2013, 09:21:10 am »
It seems to be a pretty good idea to just avoid IGG unless they take some steps to prevent scams. At least Kickstarter has some moderation in place. IGG just seems to not give a sh*t if their platform is a vector for criminal activity.
 

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« Reply #69 on: June 06, 2013, 02:01:22 pm »
Agreed. IGG does not care, at least that is my perception based on my interactions with their "support" staff.  Basically report a shady project, and you'll get a form like letter response. Keep pressing, you get told they'll pass on your comments to their fraud department, and they would contact you IF they have more questions-- you never hear back again.

As an example: I reported a project that violated the first law of thermodynamics, and basically told them so... the response I got was the following [I didn't keep pressing on this one, as it obviously wasn't going anywhere]

"Indiegogo empowers campaign owners and contributors to raise money for, or support, the things that matter to them. Because Indiegogo is an equal opportunity platform, a wide variety of subject matter and opinions may be expressed through campaigns. Because we do not curate these campaigns, the views reflected by campaign owners are not necessarily those of Indiegogo."

I wasn't aware that the laws of thermodynamics were a matter of "opinion".

My take is that they think they can provide a platform, and by turning a blind eye they are free and clear. I'd like to see what happens when it inevitably ends up in court... that position didn't play well for Napster back in the day.
 

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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #70 on: June 06, 2013, 03:20:29 pm »
To summarize, Indiegogo is in on the fraud.
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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #71 on: June 06, 2013, 04:58:02 pm »
To summarize, Indiegogo is in on the fraud.

No,

I think it's a much simpler explanation.  I also don't think IGG lets things slide because they only care about their cut.

I think, rather, that if IGG takes on a moderation role, then they take on liability in case things go wrong.  If their position is "we just provide the venue, it's up to you to do your due diligence on the project", and they apply that rule to all projects, then they are in the clear.  If they start exercising a level of oversight beyond the most basic items, then they are now in a role of subjectively critiquing and vetting each project for authenticity/legitimacy.  And when they get it wrong, people will want (all) their $$ back from IGG, despite the fact that IGG only has a small portion of that money.


They ought to follow Kickstarter's lead and require a real prototype. 

The main issue with all these sites is that there is zero qualification done on the ability of the project creator to actually get the job done.  Most projects are about getting sales, not about "raising funds", but KS plays dumb about that while they claim to be enacting rules to protect users, but that which do anything but.
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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #72 on: June 07, 2013, 04:46:52 am »
Speaking of law suits - someone here poked the hornets nest (not that I mind) and Joe apparently feels the need now to sue LinkedIn, the venture capital firm he posted in (DFM Ventures) and our own aussie "Village Idiot" as a result.   :palm:

http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&discussionID=244937141&gid=2359356&commentID=142538721&trk=view_disc&ut=20YAiEKk8lz5M1

What a turd.  Who the F does this guy think he is?
 

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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #73 on: June 07, 2013, 05:57:56 am »
This is probably distracting from the original thread topic, but it's entertaining as hell.  Whoever made Village Idiot and taunted this fruad - you have a brilliant sense of humor!   :clap:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/village-idiot/63/bab/9bb
 

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« Reply #74 on: June 07, 2013, 11:48:35 am »
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/scanadu-scout-the-first-medical-tricorder

WHAT IS THE TECHNOLOGY BEHIND THE SCANADU SCOUT™, IS IT SAFE?

The device uses passive sensors (electrodes, visible and IR light sensors, accelerometers, thermistors, gyroscopes, microphones etc.) to acquire your vitals. The only energy being delivered to the body is in the form of low-power LED light pulses.  To acquire your data, just place the device on the forehead.

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« Reply #75 on: June 07, 2013, 11:53:34 am »
To acquire your data, just place the device on the forehead.

HeadOn. Apply directly to the forehead.
HeadOn. Apply directly to the forehead.
HeadOn. Apply directly to the forehead.

Sorry. All I could think of.
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« Reply #76 on: June 07, 2013, 12:04:23 pm »
Three related products are currently produced by former manufacturer of HeadOn Miralus Healthcare:
ActivOn - described on the company's website as a topical analgesic for arthritis-like joint pains, in multiple formulations. Additionally, the product originally named FirstOn, a topical anti-itch product, is now called ActivOn Maximum Strength Anti-Itch.
PreferOn - A topical product containing Vitamin E, claimed to improve the appearance of scars.
RenewIn - A pill claimed to improve joint comfort, flexibility and mobility, in multiple formulations.
A homeopathic hemorrhoid cream, FREEdHem, was withdrawn from the market. Like HeadOn, FREEdHem featured repetition in its ads, which said "Freedom from hemorrhoids, FREEdHem hemorrhoid cream" or "FREEdHem, the only one-application hemorrhoidal cream" three times.

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« Reply #78 on: June 11, 2013, 10:06:55 am »
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And Limon will arrive in discreet, unmarked packaging so you don't have to worry about ruining the surprise when it arrives.

That's a funny way to spell "so your mailman won't know what he's delivering"...
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« Reply #79 on: June 11, 2013, 12:35:13 pm »
Is nobody else bothered by the fact they keep that thing in a bowl of lemons on the dining room table?
 

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« Reply #80 on: June 11, 2013, 12:38:35 pm »
Is nobody else bothered by the fact they keep that thing in a bowl of lemons on the dining room table?

It's all part of their halfhearted attempt to pretend it's not really for sex. The whole language of the thing says "I'm making this thing that I'm embarrassed of".
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« Reply #81 on: June 11, 2013, 02:31:29 pm »
Is nobody else bothered by the fact they keep that thing in a bowl of lemons on the dining room table?

That's got to bring tears to your eyes  :-DD
 

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« Reply #82 on: June 13, 2013, 05:06:49 pm »
It's all part of their halfhearted attempt to pretend it's not really for sex. The whole language of the thing says "I'm making this thing that I'm embarrassed of".

Standard marketing fare for anything related to such "taboo" subjects. You'll see the same thing with condom ads, feminine hygiene products etc.
 

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« Reply #83 on: June 15, 2013, 07:31:33 am »
This article is about a crowdfunding project that isn't technology related, but wow.

http://www.reddit.com/r/kickstarter/comments/1g9utn/likely_major_kickstarter_fraud_uncovered_kobe_red/

And to think, this one was stopped just in the nick of time. It would have sailed right on through on IGG, and if these guys hadn't really dug in and done the research it would have succeeded on KS too.
 

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« Reply #84 on: August 18, 2013, 08:20:49 pm »
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And Limon will arrive in discreet, unmarked packaging so you don't have to worry about ruining the surprise when it arrives.

That's a funny way to spell "so your mailman won't know what he's delivering"...

He will if the thing has managed to *turn itself on* in the post :D
 

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Re: List of Dodgy Crowd Source Funded Projects
« Reply #85 on: August 18, 2013, 09:25:38 pm »
If it is vibrating then the post office will blow up the bag containing it when it is detected. Had the bomb squad blow up the bag of cement mix the plumber left outside my door one day while he went around the corner to park. Hear the bang, open the door and look out to see the whole lot of them behind the APC looking back. I asked them to replace the bag but they declined. They were a little paranoid about security with the summit at the convention centre, even going to the point of welding shut the manhole covers ( you really cannot weld cast iron, it just goes brittle there and cracks) and painting marks on the concrete covers. Real Kabuki theatre.
 

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« Reply #86 on: August 20, 2013, 01:32:13 pm »
If it is vibrating then the post office will blow up the bag containing it when it is detected. Had the bomb squad blow up the bag of cement mix the plumber left outside my door one day while he went around the corner to park. Hear the bang, open the door and look out to see the whole lot of them behind the APC looking back. I asked them to replace the bag but they declined. They were a little paranoid about security with the summit at the convention centre, even going to the point of welding shut the manhole covers ( you really cannot weld cast iron, it just goes brittle there and cracks) and painting marks on the concrete covers. Real Kabuki theatre.

That's crazy, how long did it take him to find parking? It sounds as if they set up shop across the street eying your front yard like a hawk the whole time and went bananas the moment the plumber showed up.

And condolences to your door, must have been a bitch sweeping up cement everywhere.
 

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« Reply #87 on: August 22, 2013, 03:35:19 am »
About 15 minutes to hoof it back, the SWat were alittle paranoid as the G8 was in town for a convention. Even had the one cop shoot a bus that tried to drive through the closed road right in front of my door one Friday, made him a cup of tea afterwards to help with the stress of being shouted at all week. Happened as I was on the phone to the control room asking them to send him extra reinforcement.
 

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« Reply #90 on: September 15, 2013, 11:15:36 am »
This one is creating quite a buzz  http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/minna-limon-couples-vibrator :clap:

I guess this changes the saying:

If life gives you lemons, ask for batteries.


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« Reply #92 on: September 26, 2013, 07:45:08 am »
60$ worht of electronics in a "scope"watch. As if the fluke123 wasn't bad enough (and don't mention the dsonano)
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/920064946/oscilloscope-watch?ref=category
 

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« Reply #93 on: September 26, 2013, 03:41:34 pm »
60$ worht of electronics in a "scope"watch. As if the fluke123 wasn't bad enough (and don't mention the dsonano)
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/920064946/oscilloscope-watch?ref=category
It might be a toy, but is it dodgy as a kickstarter?
 

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« Reply #94 on: September 29, 2013, 06:56:27 pm »
Clang, $500K and 1 year later:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/260688528/clang/posts/604023

Shame. That was the coolest Kickstarter video ever!
 

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« Reply #95 on: October 02, 2013, 06:20:59 pm »
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« Reply #96 on: October 02, 2013, 06:39:40 pm »
Totally bogus project: http://www.pozible.com/project/35309
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« Reply #97 on: October 05, 2013, 04:05:13 pm »
60$ worht of electronics in a "scope"watch. As if the fluke123 wasn't bad enough (and don't mention the dsonano)
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/920064946/oscilloscope-watch?ref=category
It might be a toy, but is it dodgy as a kickstarter?

Given that the guy's pulled off two successful kickstarters before in a similar vein, I don't expect he'll have any trouble getting it made - that doesn't mean it's actually useful, though.
 

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« Reply #98 on: October 09, 2013, 02:09:02 pm »
60$ worht of electronics in a "scope"watch. As if the fluke123 wasn't bad enough (and don't mention the dsonano)
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/920064946/oscilloscope-watch?ref=category
It might be a toy, but is it dodgy as a kickstarter?

Given that the guy's pulled off two successful kickstarters before in a similar vein, I don't expect he'll have any trouble getting it made - that doesn't mean it's actually useful, though.

About as useful as those calculator watches, but way cooler IMHO  O0
 

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« Reply #99 on: October 09, 2013, 02:12:01 pm »
Shhh.... don't let Dave hear you say that!
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« Reply #100 on: November 02, 2013, 09:27:32 am »
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/energy-multiplier-cleaner-efficient-energy-production?c=home

 |O

Check out all the cool stuff you get if you donate $10,000!

"Receive a paper certificate stating your level of contribution with your name and personally signed by the inventor. Also receive exclusive updates via indiegogo.com on the progress of development. Get exclusive access to our VIP Platinum Members area of our website. See website for details. ** This is redeemable through direct purchase of products offered only through our members area **"

... A piece of paper with the guy's name written on it! Wow!
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« Reply #102 on: December 20, 2013, 01:21:12 pm »
Well that was taken down quickly.

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« Reply #103 on: December 20, 2013, 08:15:31 pm »
Clang, $500K and 1 year later:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/260688528/clang/posts/604023

CLANG is really more an example of a project biting off a little more than it could chew, rather than a scam.  The hardware side of things, primarily.
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« Reply #104 on: January 05, 2014, 03:40:06 pm »
So these guys show big time media outlets like FOX ABC CBS, but I can't find a single article from any of the big media outlets they show at the front of their page.  Am I missing something or is this totally fraudulent marketing?

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/thingcharger-the-awesome-new-charger-for-all-your-things

Other than that it seems like a bad product to me.  I'd not want to balance a phone or tablet vertically on the tiny connector of this thing without any other mechanical support.  Again am I missing the point?  It seems like a great way to break stuff.
 

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« Reply #105 on: January 06, 2014, 01:59:08 am »
Other than that it seems like a bad product to me.  I'd not want to balance a phone or tablet vertically on the tiny connector of this thing without any other mechanical support.  Again am I missing the point?  It seems like a great way to break stuff.

Also looks a bit of a fire risk to me. This is the sort of thing I'd probably fail on PAT testing, like when you get loads of plug in adapters stacked up on top of each other.
 

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« Reply #106 on: January 19, 2014, 12:41:45 pm »
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/smarty-ring

Seems too small to do what they claim, but hey maybe I just don't know how to push the tech envelope.
 

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« Reply #107 on: January 20, 2014, 11:44:44 am »
20% fuel savings.
http://igg.me/p/650364

Well at least that one is fixed funding, meaning it's all or nothing.
 

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« Reply #108 on: January 21, 2014, 02:41:21 am »
20% fuel savings.
http://igg.me/p/650364

Well at least that one is fixed funding, meaning it's all or nothing.
And you can have smooth skin if you don't own a car or don't want to pay full fare to buy the fuel-saver..  :-DD
 

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« Reply #109 on: February 06, 2014, 06:46:56 am »
How about this one; http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/rawlemon-solar-devices

Replace you solar panels now with 6 ton glass bowls filled with water. Hope you have a strong roof!  :palm:

I guess the name gives it away; rawlemon... I prefer my lemons cooked (under a bowl of glass)
 

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« Reply #110 on: February 06, 2014, 07:47:44 am »
How about this one; http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/rawlemon-solar-devices

Replace you solar panels now with 6 ton glass bowls filled with water. Hope you have a strong roof!  :palm:

I guess the name gives it away; rawlemon... I prefer my lemons cooked (under a bowl of glass)

well why not?

http://www.rehnu.com/technology/receivers-and-cooling

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« Reply #111 on: February 06, 2014, 07:47:52 am »
How about this one; http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/rawlemon-solar-devices

Replace you solar panels now with 6 ton glass bowls filled with water. Hope you have a strong roof!  :palm:

I guess the name gives it away; rawlemon... I prefer my lemons cooked (under a bowl of glass)

while i dont think it's dodgey, it does seem a bit niche!
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« Reply #112 on: February 25, 2014, 03:58:40 am »
I don't think this one is mentioned in this thread?
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/home-quantum-energy-generator
Look at the fundings :wtf:  :palm:
 

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« Reply #113 on: March 08, 2014, 11:04:03 pm »
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/meterplug-lower-your-electricbill-measure-real-electric-cost
(days away from the delivery date, only one photo of pre-production units, no updates)

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« Reply #114 on: March 09, 2014, 07:37:33 am »
How about this one; http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/rawlemon-solar-devices

Replace you solar panels now with 6 ton glass bowls filled with water. Hope you have a strong roof!  :palm:

while i dont think it's dodgey, it does seem a bit niche!

It is dodgy!

A major part of the production cost of today's silicon solar cell modules is the flat sheet of glass on its front. And this is a plain sheet of glass! Not a sphere, whether solid or strong enough to hold water...
 

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« Reply #115 on: March 09, 2014, 04:33:13 pm »

A major part of the production cost of today's silicon solar cell modules is the flat sheet of glass on its front. And this is a plain sheet of glass! Not a sphere, whether solid or strong enough to hold water...

Where did you come up with THAT data?  The glass on top is most certainly not a major cost in a module.
If that were TRUE then thin film solar cells (which are on a glass substrate and then have the additional glass layer on top) wouldn't be significantly cheaper than silicon cells.  Also see this marketing report for a breakdown of material costs.

http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy12osti/53938.pdf
 

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« Reply #116 on: March 10, 2014, 12:32:22 am »
A major part of the production cost of today's silicon solar cell modules is the flat sheet of glass on its front.

Where did you come up with THAT data?  The glass on top is most certainly not a major cost in a module.
If that were TRUE then thin film solar cells (which are on a glass substrate and then have the additional glass layer on top) wouldn't be significantly cheaper than silicon cells.  Also see this marketing report for a breakdown of material costs.

http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy12osti/53938.pdf

Thinfilm solar cells are not significantly cheaper than silicon solar cells!

And neither are organic or dye-sensitized solar cells.

I did not say that the glass was the biggest cost in a solar cell module, I stated that it was a major (one of several) cost factors.

I am working as a university researcher in the field of thinfilm solar cells and have been part-time working in a company which we still have close collaborations with. The data I have is from recent international conferences on photovoltaics and up-to-date news.

Here you can find a breakdown of the costs in silicon solar cell modules as of 2012: http://www.cleanenergystates.org/assets/Uploads/Solar-PV-Manufacturing-Combined-Presentations.pdf slide 19 shows that about 20% of the cost of the module is in the front glass, lamination film and backsheet - and since then the price of the silicon cells themselves has gone down further, while glass has not become cheaper.

Even in the report from NREL which you have quoted, and which is yet another year older, the orange part in the breakdown of costs on the last page is significant.

Here is another source, analyzing the cost breakdown for major Chinese manufacturers of silicon solar cell modules - the purple part "Module" is the important part:

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/top-chinese-manufacturers-will-produce-solar-panels-for-42-cents-a-wat

Here is a newer report from NREL (2013): http://www.uspvmc.org/proceedings/2ndAnnualCSiWorkshop0710/14.%20NREL%20c-Si%20Roadmap.pdf
 

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« Reply #118 on: April 06, 2014, 02:01:11 am »
This one is not going to succeed either, kind of telling how NONE of the pictures of the actual device show the screen, just a plastic wrist band!

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-rufus-cuff-more-than-a-smartwatch-a-wrist-communicator
 

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« Reply #119 on: April 06, 2014, 05:05:18 am »
Well IGG just promoted it in an email, so lets wtch and see... hopefully IGG users are smarter than IGG staff.
 

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« Reply #120 on: April 07, 2014, 10:55:50 am »
This one is not going to succeed either, kind of telling how NONE of the pictures of the actual device show the screen, just a plastic wrist band!

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-rufus-cuff-more-than-a-smartwatch-a-wrist-communicator
Take a phone, make a case with a 3D printer... Done!  :bullshit:
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« Reply #121 on: April 12, 2014, 01:50:29 pm »
I think this one fall under the "Dodgy" category.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1686304142/the-mini-mobile-robotic-printer

Their hardware demo video and what they are claiming don't agree.

Anyone with any robotics experience will recognize what they are claiming to deliver is next to impossible.

I'll quote from the other thread:

This has received a lot of backers and I'm afraid a lot of people are going to be disappointed in the final product.

The images on the Kickstarter page give the impression the robotic printer can print full page technical drawings and graphics. Yet the video just shows the robot printing single line of text.

Trying to get a robot to travel in a straight line with the precision required to print the type of documents they imply it will be able to print is a near impossibility.

These guys are business students dabbling in robotics and they don't have clue how to accomplish what they are promising. You can see some of the "development" work in posts at Let's Make Robots. The LMR member kkffiirr http://letsmakerobots.com/user/20833 has asked several questions revealing his lack of robotics knowledge.

I don't think they have been honest in describing the risks backers are taking by supporting the project. To make a robot capable of printing as well as they imply their robot will, is next to impossible.

Their "prototype" is a Parallax ink jet printer kit mounted on some omni wheels (normal wheels would have worked for their "demo" video). Here's a video of the printer kit used free hand.



This printer might work reasonably well printing text only documents if you didn't need the print to be high quality, but it's certainly not going to be able to print the type of documents shown in the photos.

I think this qualifies as a scam.

I thought Kickstarter projects had to have a working prototype?

BTW, I like to build robots myself and I've made many different kinds including robots with omni wheels. I won't post links to my stuff by it's easy to find by searching my name.

I think I'm particularly annoyed by this one since I had some interaction with one of the developers prior to the Kickstater launch.
 

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« Reply #122 on: April 12, 2014, 02:35:38 pm »
They went and purged their blog entries from "lets make robots" apparently. I didn't get to see what noob questions they were asking, but I can guess they didn't paint their "experience" in a good light.

Anyone with any common sense and critical thinking can see that this thing will NEVER track straight enough to print out anything resembling the laser printouts they are "simulating" ( scamming ).

Apparently kickstarter and igg are taking the old adage "there is a sucker born every minute" and "a fool and his money are soon parted" to the most extreme social experiment possible.
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« Reply #123 on: April 12, 2014, 03:10:38 pm »
Jarrod,

I don't think he had any blogs. His questions were in the forum. You can see this questions by clicking "track". Here's a link.
http://letsmakerobots.com/user/20833/track

They might be ignorant enough to think what they propose is possible.
 

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« Reply #124 on: April 14, 2014, 02:38:09 am »
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/beta-bioled-the-first-hand-held-blood-analyzer
Well, I don't have guts ti say it's scam right away, but it is at least very suspicious.
 
As I have some background in light measurements and chemistry (spectroscopy, radiospectrometry) - claiming, that their setup consisting of few assorted LEDs spread over the spectrum without any further filtering plus light integrator provided better results than commercital absobrtion spectrometers is just bullshit in my opinion.
Even with basic low cost miniautre spectrometer modules you have FWHM in 5nm range at least - and they are trying to convince me, that they can do better with LEDs, which spectra is gaussian shaped, spreaded over tens of nanometers will provide better results ? I don't think so. Based on this measurement, I would be able to resolve between basic colors of sample and mabye little bit about its transmittance, but hell no somethning about chemical composition of sample.
Only semiconductor light source capable of producing narrow enough spectra is laser diode, but then you are stucked basically to a few points in whole spectra - how could you estimate composition based on that (yep, Raman scattering, I know, but it really doesn't seem they are that far - and you are still tied to full spectra measuring and cost and effort for propper light filtering added) ? You simply won't get away without using prism, or diffraction grating - or am I missing something important ?
Oh, and did I mentioned that most valuable data about chemical composition of sample in case of optical spectrometry does not lie in visible part of spectra, but UV and infra ?

I'd like to hear somebody else opinion about this.
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« Reply #125 on: April 16, 2014, 03:41:16 am »
I figure anything making medical or energy claims is 100% bogus and a scam and stop reading immediately.
 

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« Reply #126 on: April 30, 2014, 07:17:38 pm »
"Meet SCiO. It is the world's first affordable molecular sensor that fits in the palm of your hand. SCiO is a tiny spectrometer and allows you to get instant relevant information about the chemical make-up of just about anything around you, sent directly to your smartphone."

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/903107259/scio-your-sixth-sense-a-pocket-molecular-sensor-fo

Some claims:

* Get nutritional facts about different kinds of food: salad dressings, sauces, fruits, cheeses, and much more.
* See how ripe an Avocado is, through the peel!
* Find out the quality of your cooking oil.
* Know the well being of your plants.
* Analyze soil or hydroponic solutions.
* Authenticate medications or supplements.
* Upload and tag the spectrum of any material on Earth to our database. Even yourself !
 

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« Reply #127 on: May 01, 2014, 08:14:53 pm »
"Meet SCiO. It is the world's first affordable molecular sensor that fits in the palm of your hand. SCiO is a tiny spectrometer and allows you to get instant relevant information about the chemical make-up of just about anything around you, sent directly to your smartphone."

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/903107259/scio-your-sixth-sense-a-pocket-molecular-sensor-fo

Some claims:

* Get nutritional facts about different kinds of food: salad dressings, sauces, fruits, cheeses, and much more.
* See how ripe an Avocado is, through the peel!
* Find out the quality of your cooking oil.
* Know the well being of your plants.
* Analyze soil or hydroponic solutions.
* Authenticate medications or supplements.
* Upload and tag the spectrum of any material on Earth to our database. Even yourself !

not a scam, its an ir spectrometer in a very small form factor. same thing nasa uses to analyze stars hundreds of light years away
+ company lets journalists touch and use their _working prototypes_
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« Reply #128 on: May 03, 2014, 11:35:56 pm »
Seen this new project? what do you think about it...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lix3d/lix-the-smallest-3d-printing-pen-in-the-world

Seems that the project is getting very popular... few things that I would put a warning are:

- Power from USB, let's say limited to 2.5W. This will limit a lot the melting speed of the filament
- I think that supports only one type of filament material /speed-temperature settings (for optimal extrusion)?



 

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« Reply #129 on: May 09, 2014, 01:19:31 pm »
It's taken a while, but it looks like government is starting to take notice of crowdfunding scams. State of Washington vs. Asylum 5/1/2014

Interestingly, within a day of that being posted to the comments page of a kickstarter project that's been mostly ignored by the creator for a year, they've made two update posts already. Might not have anything to do with them being a Washington state company / resident. But then again, maybe it's not a coincidence.
 

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« Reply #130 on: May 09, 2014, 10:12:18 pm »
Seen this new project? what do you think about it...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lix3d/lix-the-smallest-3d-printing-pen-in-the-world

Seems that the project is getting very popular... few things that I would put a warning are:

- Power from USB, let's say limited to 2.5W. This will limit a lot the melting speed of the filament
- I think that supports only one type of filament material /speed-temperature settings (for optimal extrusion)?

It "prints" at about a snail's pace.(most all of the videos are speed up) - I'm sure they shot day's worth of video to get something usable looking.

But as a consumer it screams "YES, I can 3d print something!  I don't need to know arduino, or C or wire up a bunch of stuff!  I can 3D print in the AIR!"

You might laugh at it.  But that's what they want. (I'll call them/they "pro-sumers" - not quite consumers, and not pro)

That is how you start up a great kickstarter.  Like it or not.  Not that I would ever do that.  You'll sell 10,000 of something that is kinda pointless.






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« Reply #131 on: May 17, 2014, 11:18:34 am »
Not a scam....but this is an interesting breakdown of a kickstarter art poster project. It's a poster of the The Brooklyn Bridge made using typography.

The guy misspelled Brooklyn ("Brookyln"), and not him or any of his backers ever saw the error until most of them had shipped.

https://medium.com/@cameronmoll/5b374cfeb43c

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« Reply #132 on: May 17, 2014, 01:10:17 pm »
The guy misspelled Brooklyn ("Brookyln"), and not him or any of this backers ever saw the error untill most of them had shipped.
That's quite an interesting story! Thanks for sharing. I guess the focus was on that guy's amazing artwork, and not on the text at the bottom. :)
 

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« Reply #133 on: May 18, 2014, 06:07:09 pm »
The guy misspelled Brooklyn ("Brookyln"), and not him or any of his backers ever saw the error until most of them had shipped.
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« Reply #134 on: May 18, 2014, 07:03:25 pm »
Google Disemvoweling.  And make you you spell it right...or you might get some NSFW results.

..........a piece of alphabetic text is rewriting it with all the vowel letters removed.[1][broken citation] This original sentence:

    The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog

would, after being disemvowelled, look like this:

    Th qck brwn fx jmps vr th lzy dg







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« Reply #135 on: May 22, 2014, 08:35:29 pm »
There is a Kickstarter a couple years ago that successfully funded and complete a first run of such a '3-d' pen - the 3doodler: http://the3doodler.com/

I have one now for printing out simple toys and things for my nieces - it's ~ok~, and this new project isn't going to make a better one.
 

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« Reply #136 on: May 27, 2014, 05:45:05 am »
100% efficient drivechain invention, seems legit :)

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/367465572/chi-eer-a-real-efficient-engine-motor?ref=category

What the heck was he washing? Clothes covered in blood? Geeze.

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« Reply #137 on: May 27, 2014, 06:30:22 am »
What the heck was he washing? Clothes covered in blood? Geeze.

Looks like he was washing the bane of anyone who washes clothing (especially parents): new, brightly-colored shirts. :) Either that, or he added some dye for color...
 

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« Reply #138 on: June 06, 2014, 08:05:38 am »
I am speechless that some one actually is going to pay $199 or one of their early prototypes.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sparqee/umbrella-usb

Not really dodgy since most people wouldn't know how to make one of this but charging $99 for a custom engraved yellow anodized aluminum edition sound like they don't care about taking advantage of ignorant people

 

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« Reply #139 on: June 06, 2014, 10:24:37 am »
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charging $99 for a custom engraved yellow anodized aluminum edition

They are not a shop, and people coughing the dosh are not customers. They are looking for funding, and punters are investing in their vision. The 'perks' are what you get for investing.

How do you feel about the $5 perk on most kickstarters that give you nothing at all except a warm feeling? Is that overpriced? Doesn't that "sound like they don't care about taking advantage of ignorant people"?

With the perk you express amazement about, no-one is buying a $3 USB plug for $99. They are investing $99 in this project, and the project people are gifting an anodised USB plug (limited edition) as a thank-you.
 

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« Reply #140 on: June 10, 2014, 01:07:57 am »
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charging $99 for a custom engraved yellow anodized aluminum edition

They are not a shop, and people coughing the dosh are not customers. They are looking for funding, and punters are investing in their vision. The 'perks' are what you get for investing.

How do you feel about the $5 perk on most kickstarters that give you nothing at all except a warm feeling? Is that overpriced? Doesn't that "sound like they don't care about taking advantage of ignorant people"?

With the perk you express amazement about, no-one is buying a $3 USB plug for $99. They are investing $99 in this project, and the project people are gifting an anodised USB plug (limited edition) as a thank-you.

and in addition there are people out there which will pay whatever they need to pay just to have something different/unique.
so  why not let them pay and support the project if they're willing to pay much more for unique/limited edition item ?

and btw.. this project is not dodgy - that little thingy is useful and pretty doable. it's not only useful just because of security (for real end-users unaware of possible risks and ways to protect themselves ), but also to get rid of the annoying  "charge only/mass storage" prompt on many phones  while charging from a computer ;)
 

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« Reply #141 on: June 10, 2014, 05:26:40 am »
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that little thingy is useful and pretty doable

It is not just doable: I have one I bought a couple of years ago (mini-USB to micro-USB adaptor, and I wanted a data connection so thought it was crap at the time!). Indeed, a quick search of Ebay turns up:

eBay auction: #321254386023

 

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« Reply #142 on: June 10, 2014, 05:42:59 am »
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that little thingy is useful and pretty doable

It is not just doable: I have one I bought a couple of years ago (mini-USB to micro-USB adaptor, and I wanted a data connection so thought it was crap at the time!). Indeed, a quick search of Ebay turns up:

eBay auction: #321254386023

the description seems to be dodgy. they're reffering to the  "dumb USB mode" which is the 0,5A spec. while they're talking about boost to 1A... most of the usb ports are not even capable of 1A (physically).
 

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« Reply #143 on: June 10, 2014, 05:59:31 am »
I included that as an example of stuff already out there (negating the need for the kickstarter, possibly). I didn't intend to suggest anything about the quality or implementation of it.
 

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« Reply #144 on: June 10, 2014, 06:05:10 am »
I included that as an example of stuff already out there (negating the need for the kickstarter, possibly). I didn't intend to suggest anything about the quality or implementation of it.

i know how you meant it ;) i was just commenting on the product itself, since i spotted something dodgy in the description ;)
 

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« Reply #145 on: June 10, 2014, 07:34:17 am »
Oh, right. Have at it, then  :box:
 

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« Reply #146 on: June 14, 2014, 12:03:52 am »
Umbrella USB :
Why not just making a USB A->micro USB cable with only 2 wires (5V + GND) in it ?
It would just be more practical than a big/ugly dongle plugged in the wall...
 

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« Reply #147 on: June 14, 2014, 12:08:19 am »
Umbrella USB :
Why not just making a USB A->micro USB cable with only 2 wires (5V + GND) in it ?
It would just be more practical than a big/ugly dongle plugged in the wall...

because your Windows computer will provide only a fraction of the available power without correct device identification, so the umbrella has to identify itself to the operating system, ask for the highest possible power and pass through that power to the phone being charged.
 

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« Reply #148 on: June 14, 2014, 12:47:05 am »
Umbrella USB :
Why not just making a USB A->micro USB cable with only 2 wires (5V + GND) in it ?
It would just be more practical than a big/ugly dongle plugged in the wall...

because your Windows computer will provide only a fraction of the available power without correct device identification, so the umbrella has to identify itself to the operating system, ask for the highest possible power and pass through that power to the phone being charged.

Yes and no, it requires the computer [not just "windows"] HARDWARE to have a power management chipset that supports this [most desktops don't - many laptops do ... though this is changing]. Otherwise the port will be limited anywhere between 100mA and 900mA depending on the implementation. The phone in this case will follow the "low power" profile, as it was unable to negotiate more power with a host chipset.
 

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« Reply #149 on: June 14, 2014, 01:40:40 am »
Umbrella USB :
Why not just making a USB A->micro USB cable with only 2 wires (5V + GND) in it ?
It would just be more practical than a big/ugly dongle plugged in the wall...

because your Windows computer will provide only a fraction of the available power without correct device identification, so the umbrella has to identify itself to the operating system, ask for the highest possible power and pass through that power to the phone being charged.

Yes and no, it requires the computer [not just "windows"] HARDWARE to have a power management chipset that supports this [most desktops don't - many laptops do ... though this is changing]. Otherwise the port will be limited anywhere between 100mA and 900mA depending on the implementation. The phone in this case will follow the "low power" profile, as it was unable to negotiate more power with a host chipset.

but mainly it's a windows problem - most of the drivers (all of them ?  :-//) allow the 100mA (low power) without identification on windows. on linux systems (with the same hardware) the drivers usually allows you to draw 500mA without identification. all of the controllers have power management, and it's the job of the driver (OS specific) to setup the controller and and control the power schemes.
 

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« Reply #150 on: June 15, 2014, 07:31:46 pm »
Not really crowd funded but with preorder: https://www.myvessyl.com

It seems that some marketing guys had a lot of fun.
Interesting projects, tipps and tricks (in German).
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« Reply #151 on: June 15, 2014, 08:04:36 pm »
Umbrella USB :
Why not just making a USB A->micro USB cable with only 2 wires (5V + GND) in it ?
It would just be more practical than a big/ugly dongle plugged in the wall...

because your Windows computer will provide only a fraction of the available power without correct device identification, so the umbrella has to identify itself to the operating system, ask for the highest possible power and pass through that power to the phone being charged.
But in this case, it's exactly that. The umbrella intentionally doesn't have any USB power negotiation chips or bias resistors; it is purely disconnects the data lines.
 

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« Reply #152 on: June 15, 2014, 09:35:21 pm »
Umbrella USB :
Why not just making a USB A->micro USB cable with only 2 wires (5V + GND) in it ?
It would just be more practical than a big/ugly dongle plugged in the wall...

because your Windows computer will provide only a fraction of the available power without correct device identification, so the umbrella has to identify itself to the operating system, ask for the highest possible power and pass through that power to the phone being charged.
But in this case, it's exactly that. The umbrella intentionally doesn't have any USB power negotiation chips or bias resistors; it is purely disconnects the data lines.

actually it MUST HAVE a chip and it must disconnect the data lines on it's OUTPUT ONLY. otherwise it would be a piece of junk providing only 100mA of charging current.
 

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« Reply #153 on: June 15, 2014, 10:24:34 pm »
Umbrella USB :
Why not just making a USB A->micro USB cable with only 2 wires (5V + GND) in it ?
It would just be more practical than a big/ugly dongle plugged in the wall...

because your Windows computer will provide only a fraction of the available power without correct device identification, so the umbrella has to identify itself to the operating system, ask for the highest possible power and pass through that power to the phone being charged.
But in this case, it's exactly that. The umbrella intentionally doesn't have any USB power negotiation chips or bias resistors; it is purely disconnects the data lines.

actually it MUST HAVE a chip and it must disconnect the data lines on it's OUTPUT ONLY. otherwise it would be a piece of junk providing only 100mA of charging current.
Hmm, it looks like I could be wrong here. I had the impression that they didn't want to 'fry USB ports by pulling to much current through them' based on the comments section, but they may be specifically talking about >500mA.
 

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« Reply #154 on: June 17, 2014, 04:08:40 pm »
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actually it MUST HAVE a chip and it must disconnect the data lines on it's OUTPUT ONLY. otherwise it would be a piece of junk providing only 100mA of charging current.

In this case, THIS is a piece of junk, but in most cases, you will have 500mA (most of computers don't really care and just have a 500mA overcurrent protection on USB ports...)
 

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« Reply #155 on: June 20, 2014, 01:20:43 am »
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actually it MUST HAVE a chip and it must disconnect the data lines on it's OUTPUT ONLY. otherwise it would be a piece of junk providing only 100mA of charging current.

In this case, THIS is a piece of junk, but in most cases, you will have 500mA (most of computers don't really care and just have a 500mA overcurrent protection on USB ports...)

That's actually not true on most modern motherboards. The USB ports typically are 'grouped' in groups of 2 or 4, and have a current limit of 1 or 2A. So yes, technically, you could only draw 500mA per port simultaneously, but you can draw more from a single port if the other ports are not drawing.
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« Reply #156 on: June 20, 2014, 07:06:08 am »
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actually it MUST HAVE a chip and it must disconnect the data lines on it's OUTPUT ONLY. otherwise it would be a piece of junk providing only 100mA of charging current.

In this case, THIS is a piece of junk, but in most cases, you will have 500mA (most of computers don't really care and just have a 500mA overcurrent protection on USB ports...)

That's actually not true on most modern motherboards. The USB ports typically are 'grouped' in groups of 2 or 4, and have a current limit of 1 or 2A. So yes, technically, you could only draw 500mA per port simultaneously, but you can draw more from a single port if the other ports are not drawing.

link to wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Charging_ports

it's described there :
standard USB port -> 100mA max without negotiation, 500mA (some boards more) after negotiation with the host (switching to "high power")
charging port -> whatever current (within the limits of the board) without negotiation with the host.

so that umbrella shield must have a chip in order to be able to charge a phone from a standard USB port (it simply must negotiate with the host).
 

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« Reply #157 on: June 20, 2014, 10:30:03 am »
Some info I looked up for an Amazon review:

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USB Battery Charging Specification 1.2
Chinese Telecom Standard YD/T 1591-2009
Divider Mode, Compliant with Apple iPod, iPhone (1A), and iPad (2A) Mobile Digital Devices

Non-Apple devices that I know of don't use divider mode. They actually use a 2-step process to determine what kind of port they're connected to. For reference, there are 3 USB charge port-type acronyms used:

SDP (Standard Downstream Port), limited to 500mA (900 mA w/USB3)
CDP (Charging Downstream Port), limited to 1500mA
DCP (Dedicated Charging Port), limited to 1500mA

Here's the process that a device being charged uses to determine how fast it can charge:

The device will output 0.6V on pin 3 (D+) and check the voltage returned on pin 2. If the voltage returned on pin 2 (D-) is less than 0.3V, it thinks it's connected to an SDP. If the returned voltage is between 0.3V and 0.8V, it thinks it's connected to a CDP or DCP.

Next, the device will output 0.6V on pin 2 (D-) and check the voltage returned on pin 3. If the voltage returned on pin 3 (D+) is less than 0.3V, it thinks it's connected to a CDP. If the returned voltage is between 0.3V and 0.8V, it thinks it's connected to a DCP. To qualify as a DCP, there's one additional twist: both the USB Battery Charging Specification 1.2 and the Chinese Telecom Standard YD/T 1591-2009 require that pins 2 & 3 be shorted together (USB BCS 1.2 calls for a maximum impedance of 200 ohms, while the Chinese standard actually calls for a dead short).

A so-called "dumb" charger doesn't do anything fancy: it simply shorts together pins 2 & 3 with a maximum impedance of 200 ohms, leaving the device to figure out that it's connected to a DCP, since shorting pins 2 & 3 together means that 0.6V put on pin 2 will appear on pin 3 and vice-versa. This is how a lot of generic and car chargers work.

So... there is certainly a lot of detail in how devices figure out how much current they can get when plugged in. There is actually more going on than what I included above, but that's enough to figure out that USB charging isn't the same as just plugging in a regular power cord.

For those of you with Apple devices, an Apple device determines what kind of port it's connected to by checking the voltages present on pins 2 & 3 of the USB connector (D- and D+, used for data transfer). If pin 2 is a 2.7V and pin 3 is at 2V, max current is 1000mA (1 Amp). If both pins are at 2V, max current is 500mA. If pin 2 is at 2V and pin 3 is at 2.7V, max current is 2000mA (2 Amps).
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Anyway, let me know if I got anything mixed up. :)
 

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« Reply #158 on: June 26, 2014, 04:48:32 am »
That's actually not true on most modern motherboards. The USB ports typically are 'grouped' in groups of 2 or 4, and have a current limit of 1 or 2A. So yes, technically, you could only draw 500mA per port simultaneously, but you can draw more from a single port if the other ports are not drawing.

And relying on this "feature" is a really bad idea and poor design. Sooner or later some port on some laptop gets fried or the device will be unreliable due to the over-current protection tripping on some mobos.
 

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« Reply #159 on: July 06, 2014, 07:01:43 am »
Apologies for this being my first post.  I'm a long-time EEVblog watcher and forum lurker but just came across this IndieGoGo campaign that I just felt was worthy of adding to this thread:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/self-sustaining-electric-generator-prototype

I watched all of the 33 minute video and found it unbelievable... utterly unbelievable!
 

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« Reply #160 on: July 06, 2014, 07:27:21 am »
The worse of it is that the person running the indigogo is not the same as the youtube channel.

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The guy in the video is definitely not a high school junior.
 

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« Reply #161 on: July 06, 2014, 07:34:50 am »
The worse of it is that the person running the indigogo is not the same as the youtube channel.

Good spot!  I was so overwhelmed by the sales pitch that I didn't notice!
 

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« Reply #163 on: July 07, 2014, 04:00:18 am »
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/self-sustaining-electric-generator-prototype

I watched all of the 33 minute video and found it unbelievable... utterly unbelievable!
I tried to watch the video, got dizzy after some minutes, fast forwarded it several times. I didn't understand what he was trying to show, very unstructured and random explanations. All I see is a battery which powers something and is at 12.4 V at the beginning of the video with no load and at 12.2 V at the end of the video. I can't believe why the Youtube comments to the video are so positive :palm:

Of course, the Indiegogo campaign is rubbish, even formal: They have already a working prototype ("output of voltage ranging from 60-80 the entire 30 days"), so why do they need money to build a prototype? He should become a politician with statements at the end like "Our method of problem solving is by having a plan of action and then putting the plan into action.", but he doesn't show the plan, like for what the money is used, or at least a simple diagram of the generator construction.

Indiegogo should not allow such projects, it is bad publicity for the crowdfunding idea and hurts many other good crowdfunding projects.
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« Reply #164 on: July 07, 2014, 04:22:19 am »
He should become a politician with statements at the end like "Our method of problem solving is by having a plan of action and then putting the plan into action."

Sounds like a plan.
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« Reply #165 on: July 07, 2014, 06:23:24 am »
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« Reply #166 on: July 07, 2014, 06:45:07 am »
I tried to watch the video, got dizzy after some minutes, fast forwarded it several times. I didn't understand what he was trying to show, very unstructured and random explanations. All I see is a battery which powers something and is at 12.4 V at the beginning of the video with no load and at 12.2 V at the end of the video. I can't believe why the Youtube comments to the video are so positive :palm:

It's completely bizarre.  There are three batteries but no real explanation of what each one is for except one is running the inverter.

Then there is the auxiliary motor - why does it need one?  What does it actually do apart from start the thing which it seemed to do perfectly well without it to start with!

There are huge losses in the system - the drag of the auxiliary motor when it's running, the fact that the auxiliary motor is powered by a bench power supply, which is powered by an inverter...  why not just use a 12V motor?

Then there's the statement about how you should always let it run down on his own, followed by him stopping it once by hand and another time when he removed the rubber band for the auxiliary motor!

And then there's the quantity of completely different switches and them being switched for no apparent reason!

Just noticed that at 5:37 he calls it a 'four-way bridge rectifier' - what's one of those?  Full-wave rectification or bridge rectifier, isn't it?

The 'unbalanced battery bank charging circuit' looks like a bit of terminal strip with a handwritten label!

I will believe it when I see it in a Faraday cage whilst in a glass box, running for 30 days with no external inputs.
 

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« Reply #167 on: July 07, 2014, 06:56:49 am »
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/let-s-build-a-planetary-energy-transmitter
Unbelievable that already 700 people fell for the Tesla Tower "test setup".

I believe there is a separate thread on the topic: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/lets-power-the-world-with-a-tesla-coil/

If indeed Tesla did write whatever they've been studying, it was probably a practical joke, published on April 1st  somewhere between 1900 and 1917:-DD
 

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« Reply #168 on: July 07, 2014, 12:43:51 pm »
Tesla's name is getting abused these days... There is a show called Teslamania coming to Toronto next week. Wanted to go but did a research and a closer look revealed the whole thing is organized by some doctor who will be pushing for sale his medical gadgets under the cover of Tesla name. Of course the guy said in the interview that he and his wife (and I guess his dog, too) use  that device every day on themselves and that it does miracle.
 

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« Reply #169 on: July 09, 2014, 07:27:58 am »
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/let-s-build-a-planetary-energy-transmitter

OMG on an hotdag bum. I cant belive this garbage. They are just taking all the cash they can and running away. I am in this moment working on power distribution and that is not a easy thing.  Doing it wireless over the world! pure fantasy!
 

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« Reply #170 on: July 10, 2014, 07:39:19 am »
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/self-sustaining-electric-generator-prototype

I watched all of the 33 minute video and found it unbelievable... utterly unbelievable!
I tried to watch the video, got dizzy after some minutes

I just tuned in - in parallel to the semi-final game...  :scared:

Isn't it amazing. I have to agree with Einstein about the infinity of human stupidity...  :palm:
 

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« Reply #171 on: July 10, 2014, 08:50:56 am »
I tried to watch the video, got dizzy after some minutes, fast forwarded it several times. I didn't understand what he was trying to show, very unstructured and random explanations. All I see is a battery which powers something and is at 12.4 V at the beginning of the video with no load and at 12.2 V at the end of the video. I can't believe why the Youtube comments to the video are so positive :palm:

It's completely bizarre.  There are three batteries but no real explanation of what each one is for except one is running the inverter.

Then there is the auxiliary motor - why does it need one?  What does it actually do apart from start the thing which it seemed to do perfectly well without it to start with!

There are huge losses in the system - the drag of the auxiliary motor when it's running, the fact that the auxiliary motor is powered by a bench power supply, which is powered by an inverter...  why not just use a 12V motor?

Then there's the statement about how you should always let it run down on his own, followed by him stopping it once by hand and another time when he removed the rubber band for the auxiliary motor!

And then there's the quantity of completely different switches and them being switched for no apparent reason!

Just noticed that at 5:37 he calls it a 'four-way bridge rectifier' - what's one of those?  Full-wave rectification or bridge rectifier, isn't it?

The 'unbalanced battery bank charging circuit' looks like a bit of terminal strip with a handwritten label!

I will believe it when I see it in a Faraday cage whilst in a glass box, running for 30 days with no external inputs.

I don't know whats going on?!?

He has three batteries, one one of which appears to be connected to the inverter, which, of course, discharges when the inverter is on...

The other two seem to be connected to nothing, as they don't react to the load being applied...

His "star of David?" motor is apparently outputting 60volts.... where does this go? lol
 

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« Reply #172 on: July 11, 2014, 10:14:18 am »
Probably the dodgiest of the dodgy: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad

Yes, he's making potato salad, but he hasn't even decided which kind he will make yet. Given the variety of potato salad recipes out there, contributors really have no idea what to expect. And yet, he's being funded. ;D
 

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« Reply #173 on: July 11, 2014, 11:04:53 am »
Probably the dodgiest of the dodgy: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad

Yes, he's making potato salad, but he hasn't even decided which kind he will make yet. Given the variety of potato salad recipes out there, contributors really have no idea what to expect. And yet, he's being funded. ;D

i think that  was intended to be a  fun project ;) he's goal was only $10 !   that's definitely not a scam , definitely looks like "let's make some fun dude" and apparently it went viral :D i guess the guy will make a hell of a party ;)
 

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« Reply #174 on: July 11, 2014, 02:58:41 pm »
Probably the dodgiest of the dodgy: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad

Yes, he's making potato salad, but he hasn't even decided which kind he will make yet. Given the variety of potato salad recipes out there, contributors really have no idea what to expect. And yet, he's being funded. ;D

Well, he was honest up-front. E.g. telling potential sponsors he hasn't even decided what kind. I think he will have a fulfillment problem, sending a thousand or more bites of potato salad to backers. Uhm, a thousand bites of rotting potato salad in the mail ... Is that even legal? Or 500 backers each allowed to chose one ingredient. That potato salad will taste shit. Or a few hundred backers supposed to join him in the kitchen.

If he is clever he will cancel the campaign before the official deadline, say sorry and thanks for the fun, and give the people the money back.
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« Reply #175 on: July 11, 2014, 03:48:41 pm »
but mainly it's a windows problem - most of the drivers (all of them ?  :-//) allow the 100mA (low power) without identification on windows. on linux systems (with the same hardware) the drivers usually allows you to draw 500mA without identification. all of the controllers have power management, and it's the job of the driver (OS specific) to setup the controller and and control the power schemes.

But the hardware controller for a 500mA capable port usually does not physically limit the current to 100mA. I have never found a single one that does that. So any device is free to ignore any and all standards for negotiation and simply draw 500mA on 500mA capable port. The "negotiation" part is simply a software thing so that the O/S can keep track of total power max consumption on a port.
For those who don't believe this, go stick a suitable resistor on your USB port you'll see.
 

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« Reply #176 on: July 11, 2014, 04:09:24 pm »
But the hardware controller for a 500mA capable port usually does not physically limit the current to 100mA. I have never found a single one that does that.
You have. In one of your old videos you complained that an oscilloscope's USB host port didn't deliver enough current.

The fault, of course, was not the port, but the device not properly asking for more current.

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I recommend eBay auction: #131214096046 or a similar gadget to measure the voltage and current.
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« Reply #177 on: July 11, 2014, 04:32:47 pm »
But the hardware controller for a 500mA capable port usually does not physically limit the current to 100mA. I have never found a single one that does that.
You have. In one of your old videos you complained that an oscilloscope's USB host port didn't deliver enough current.

No. That was a dev board that needed >500mA. Had nothing to do with any 100mA limit.

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The fault, of course, was not the port, but the device not properly asking for more current.

No.
The fault was me not reading the instructions and not using the supplied USB doubler cable and plugging the device into a two USB ports to give >500mA capability.
 

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« Reply #178 on: July 11, 2014, 07:50:08 pm »
This one looks a bit dodgy to me:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mikey-usb-connector-charger-cable-booster-battery-bluetooth-locator-tools
Having flash memory, bluetooth locating, and a battery to run a phone for 3 hours in that case seems to be... unrealistic (especially once you factor in the fold-away USB connectors and the support structure needed for the metal thingie).
Also, I don't know about 'travel safe'...  :-\
 

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« Reply #179 on: July 11, 2014, 08:01:38 pm »
This one looks a bit dodgy to me:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mikey-usb-connector-charger-cable-booster-battery-bluetooth-locator-tools
Having flash memory, bluetooth locating, and a battery to run a phone for 3 hours in that case seems to be... unrealistic (especially once you factor in the fold-away USB connectors and the support structure needed for the metal thingie).
Also, I don't know about 'travel safe'...  :-\

agree - but except the phone charger it's pretty doable and could be handy as well ;) i doubt they could fit a battery bigger than 100-150 mAh (single cell). another point is the claimed 3 hours for the phone - if they promise 3hrs of standby for the phone... well... actually...  the 100mAh might be enough for that.
 

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« Reply #180 on: July 12, 2014, 09:47:19 am »
but mainly it's a windows problem - most of the drivers (all of them ?  :-//) allow the 100mA (low power) without identification on windows. on linux systems (with the same hardware) the drivers usually allows you to draw 500mA without identification. all of the controllers have power management, and it's the job of the driver (OS specific) to setup the controller and and control the power schemes.

But the hardware controller for a 500mA capable port usually does not physically limit the current to 100mA. I have never found a single one that does that. So any device is free to ignore any and all standards for negotiation and simply draw 500mA on 500mA capable port. The "negotiation" part is simply a software thing so that the O/S can keep track of total power max consumption on a port.
For those who don't believe this, go stick a suitable resistor on your USB port you'll see.

A proper implementation doesn't limit the current to 100 mA. Nor does it limit the current to whatever value is specified in the device enumeration (which is how the device tells the host that it's a "high-power" guy). Rather, if the power-control hardware in the hub (either in the computer or external) detects an overcurrent condition, it'll shut down that port. Hopefully, the operating system will throw up a warning about exceeding current limits.

I ran into this doing a bus-powered USB audio project. The device enumeration indicated that it used all of the 500 mA available after enumeration. The device did things the right way: it used power switching to stage power bring-up. Before enumeration, all of the analog power rails were disabled so current draw was much less than the allowed 100 mA. After enumeration, the processor would enable the analog power rail and the device would be fully functional. The product has two mic preamps with available individually-switched phantom power, which the user could enable as needed.

I built up the first prototype, it all worked and passed audio. Then I switched on the phantom, and HELLO! OS X threw up a "USB device uses too much power!" warning dialog and shut off the port. But what was actually interesting is that Windows XP (this was awhile ago) on a standard Dell box also detected the overcurrent condition and shut off the port (which is the correct response), BUT neglected to throw up the overcurrent warning. The over-current condition was logged somewhere; I don't remember how I found the log.

(The problem was that I had a largish filter cap hanging on the phantom supply; the inrush to that cap was sufficient to trip the overcurrent sensor in the hub. I removed the cap and there was no impact on noise performance and the power issue went away.)

I never did a test to see what would happen if I had the device enumerate indicating that it needed less than 100 mA and then turn on the analog rails. I should do that ...

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« Reply #181 on: July 12, 2014, 06:01:00 pm »
But the hardware controller for a 500mA capable port usually does not physically limit the current to 100mA. I have never found a single one that does that.
You have. In one of your old videos you complained that an oscilloscope's USB host port didn't deliver enough current.

No. That was a dev board that needed >500mA. Had nothing to do with any 100mA limit.

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The fault, of course, was not the port, but the device not properly asking for more current.

No.
The fault was me not reading the instructions and not using the supplied USB doubler cable and plugging the device into a two USB ports to give >500mA capability.


One other issue frequently overlooked , is that many of the Cheap USB cables from China are actually just cellophane or plastic sheeting coated in an aluminum film, these are interwoven to provide the internal cables, rather than the more expensive copper.
In some cases you can be dropping over 0v5 of power on a 0.5-1.0m cable, in many cases it is enough to take the USB device WAY out of spec.

 

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« Reply #182 on: July 23, 2014, 06:37:27 pm »
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/self-sustaining-electric-generator-prototype

I watched all of the 33 minute video and found it unbelievable... utterly unbelievable!

It looks very like a Bedini Motor, which some highly misguided types believe is an over-unity device. Sigh.

See http://bedinimotors.blogspot.co.uk/

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« Reply #183 on: July 23, 2014, 07:17:17 pm »
It looks very like a Bedini Motor, which some highly misguided types believe is an over-unity device. Sigh.

See http://bedinimotors.blogspot.co.uk/
But this website is a bit esoteric, too. Quote: "method of capturing radiant energy and get the world to understand that it is the high potential, almost currentless pulses that the different variations of energizer put out, that causes what happens within the charged batteries.". So they re-invented a pulse charger, probably of very bad quality because of the mechanical setup, described it as some mysterious "radiant energy capturing" device and sell it for only $4200. Seems legit.
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« Reply #184 on: July 29, 2014, 02:01:52 pm »
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/juicer-battery-the-best-smartphone-battery-ever--3

Fiber optic usb 3.1 cable for faster charging. Oh and that fiber optic cable is also more durable and more bendable than regular cables. Oh wait the main product is their amazing battery -.-

I'm surprised they got the usb 3.1 power specs right.
 

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« Reply #185 on: July 29, 2014, 05:55:16 pm »
It looks very like a Bedini Motor, which some highly misguided types believe is an over-unity device. Sigh.

See http://bedinimotors.blogspot.co.uk/
But this website is a bit esoteric, too. Quote: "method of capturing radiant energy and get the world to understand that it is the high potential, almost currentless pulses that the different variations of energizer put out, that causes what happens within the charged batteries.". So they re-invented a pulse charger, probably of very bad quality because of the mechanical setup, described it as some mysterious "radiant energy capturing" device and sell it for only $4200. Seems legit.
You call it "a bit esoteric", I would simply classify that as a "total bullshit"  :-DD
 

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« Reply #186 on: July 29, 2014, 06:57:56 pm »
You call it "a bit esoteric", I would simply classify that as a "total bullshit"  :-DD

"a bit esoteric" is a politically correct description of "total bullshit" ;) we who work for big corporations know how important is to use politically correct words :D
 

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« Reply #187 on: July 30, 2014, 08:37:04 am »
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/juicer-battery-the-best-smartphone-battery-ever--3

Fiber optic usb 3.1 cable for faster charging. Oh and that fiber optic cable is also more durable and more bendable than regular cables. Oh wait the main product is their amazing battery -.-

I'm surprised they got the usb 3.1 power specs right.

Ehm, why does a *battery* need a USB 3.1 interface? And with fiber optic cable!? (Which nothing supports, btw ...)

Wtf ...  :palm:

 

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« Reply #188 on: July 30, 2014, 09:48:32 pm »
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/juicer-battery-the-best-smartphone-battery-ever--3

Fiber optic usb 3.1 cable for faster charging. Oh and that fiber optic cable is also more durable and more bendable than regular cables. Oh wait the main product is their amazing battery -.-
It's interesting that you can identify most scams just by their inconsistencies. First "power density that is 1900 times greater than other lithium ion batteries". Later "The world's highest capacity battery @ 13440mAh. More than 4 times than the original capacity & slimmer than other extended battery". And then "this would make our battery the best out there allowing it to last an estimated 25-70 percent longer than your generic smart phone battery". But then in the FAQs: "We estimate up to 50-75 percent increase to your phones battery power compared with the stock battery."

But forget the battery, I want the solar cells! Needs one hour to charge in the light. Maximum sun power is 1120 W/m^2. Their battery is 13440 mAh. The Galaxy S4 size is 137 mm x 70 mm = 0.00959 m^2. So sun power to their aluminum frame is 11 W max. Ignoring the loss when charging a battery, they invented a solar cell with at least 120 % efficiency. Nice, another over unity perpetuum mobile. And they defeated mathematics with nanotechnology, because it works at any angle :)

And of course, nobody is named "Vandal Schnizel" in Germany. "Vandal" is an insect repellent, and "Schnizel" is wrongly spelled Schnitzel.
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« Reply #189 on: July 31, 2014, 11:32:38 pm »
It's interesting that you can identify most scams just by their inconsistencies.

Fortunately, the scammers are usually not the smartest people, otherwise they could likely do something else for living ... I had my  :bullshit: detector going off scale the moment he started to talk about the fiber optics USB cables which are completely irrelevant for charging.

But forget the battery, I want the solar cells! Needs one hour to charge in the light. Maximum sun power is 1120 W/m^2. Their battery is 13440 mAh. The Galaxy S4 size is 137 mm x 70 mm = 0.00959 m^2. So sun power to their aluminum frame is 11 W max. Ignoring the loss when charging a battery, they invented a solar cell with at least 120 % efficiency. Nice, another over unity perpetuum mobile. And they defeated mathematics with nanotechnology, because it works at any angle :)

Good catch

And of course, nobody is named "Vandal Schnizel" in Germany. "Vandal" is an insect repellent, and "Schnizel" is wrongly spelled Schnitzel.

Well, I wouldn't underestimate the creativity of someone's parents (or just bad luck - you don't get to pick your name) when naming their offspring. I had to work with a lady with a last name "Titsworth" and another time my contact at a publisher was "Sharon Stone". So "Vandal Schnizel" could be possible :-p

 

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« Reply #190 on: August 03, 2014, 03:44:46 am »
Clicking on the 'CEO' profile, it comes out that he has 3 campaigns running, all for this Juicer Battery, closing at one week of distance from each other, the later ones with higher goals. Delivery times for each of the campaigns varies.
https://www.indiegogo.com/individuals/8096989/campaigns

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« Reply #191 on: August 03, 2014, 04:24:20 am »
Clicking on the 'CEO' profile, it comes out that he has 3 campaigns running, all for this Juicer Battery, closing at one week of distance from each other, the later ones with higher goals. Delivery times for each of the campaigns varies.
https://www.indiegogo.com/individuals/8096989/campaigns
And one campaign has flexible funding. I guess he figured that's the way to get at least some money from this scam, if there are not enough fools who funds it. I reported it to Indiegogo.
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« Reply #192 on: August 03, 2014, 04:14:30 pm »
Not to mention the comments seem to be shills or fake accounts or something.

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I was skeptical about donating for the early bird, but im glad I did. With one day shipping i received the battery the next day, and it works just as expected for my galaxy S5. I have up to a week of battery life, THIS PRODUCT IS AMAZING.
 

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« Reply #193 on: August 04, 2014, 12:51:40 am »
Clicking on the 'CEO' profile, it comes out that he has 3 campaigns running, all for this Juicer Battery, closing at one week of distance from each other, the later ones with higher goals. Delivery times for each of the campaigns varies.
https://www.indiegogo.com/individuals/8096989/campaigns
And one campaign has flexible funding. I guess he figured that's the way to get at least some money from this scam, if there are not enough fools who funds it. I reported it to Indiegogo.

All 3 are flex funding.. and if you look at the naming in the URL, he tried at least one more.  My guess is that it's an attempt to get around IGG's fee structure for when goals are not met. By using multiple campaigns with lower goals [of his overall higher goal] assuming some of them are met, only a smaller portion of the overall total is hit with the higher fee structure for mt reaching the target.  This of course also works against him, by diluting the funds he is getting, possibly making it that none of his targets are met. Given that I don't see much take up on any, I don't think this guy is going to walk away with much.
 

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« Reply #194 on: August 27, 2014, 06:13:13 am »
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/252587878/the-worlds-smallest-tiny-breadboard-power-supply-u

A resistor/led to show there is power, two pins to the breadboard, pcb connector & case $23. No case $20, kit form no case $16

Of course it probably will fail after a 100 inserts and if you wiggle the cable it might loose power if the dimensions are not just right.

Plus I have no clue why they are calling it a power supply.... well... it does supply power to the breadboard I guess  :-//

And of course they will get funded.

At least it's free shipping worldwide from Japan.
 

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« Reply #195 on: August 27, 2014, 12:19:23 pm »
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/252587878/the-worlds-smallest-tiny-breadboard-power-supply-u

A resistor/led to show there is power, two pins to the breadboard, pcb connector & case $23. No case $20, kit form no case $16
They sell the kit with no case already in their shop, for $4.90:
http://frentrep.com/shop/breadboardmaniac/bbm-muc-k.html
When I add it to the cart, shipping costs are $16.66 to Germany, so it's a bargain for $16 free shipping at kickstarter :)
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« Reply #196 on: August 27, 2014, 06:02:08 pm »
They sell the kit with no case already in their shop, for $4.90:
http://frentrep.com/shop/breadboardmaniac/bbm-muc-k.html
When I add it to the cart, shipping costs are $16.66 to Germany, so it's a bargain for $16 free shipping at kickstarter :)

You could probably whip the same thing up in a 10 minutes in Eagle or whatever. 3 boards of that size would cost about 2-3 EUR to Europe from OSHPark (shipping included), the parts maybe 1EUR and soldering takes 2 minutes ...

Certainly more reasonable than paying almost $17 shipping for a $5 kit ...

However, I would rather make it a bit larger so that I could have at least two pins for each rail for more sturdiness. Breadboarding things can be sufficient pain even without having to fight dodgy connectors already.
 

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« Reply #197 on: August 27, 2014, 07:52:35 pm »
However, I would rather make it a bit larger so that I could have at least two pins for each rail for more sturdiness. Breadboarding things can be sufficient pain even without having to fight dodgy connectors already.

Did just that. Had an unused USB extension cable lying around where I made it for.

BOM:
1 Leftover piece of prototype board.
2 Leftover 2 pin pin-headers.
1 Cutout from a blister package to make the pcb thicker.

Works like a charm and the USB connector won't fall off.
A breadboard with a transformer can dangle from the USB cable without coming loose.

 

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« Reply #198 on: August 28, 2014, 12:15:58 am »
Did just that. Had an unused USB extension cable lying around where I made it for.

BOM:
1 Leftover piece of prototype board.
2 Leftover 2 pin pin-headers.
1 Cutout from a blister package to make the pcb thicker.
But no LED. If you combine "LED" and "USB", you could sell it for a lot of money:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thingm/blink1-the-usb-rgb-led
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« Reply #199 on: August 28, 2014, 01:14:45 am »
To be fair, that's a little bit more than a USB plug and LED soldered together :)

Not to mention that it's free as well if you can be arsed to build your own.

Edit: In fact, I'm annoyed that I missed that! I have an application that is pretty much tailor made for this Blink(1)  - no, Blink(1) is ideal for my application, I mean.
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« Reply #200 on: September 17, 2014, 05:59:07 pm »
Hi All,

While watching the MU-Opic TIC fiasco, I came across this one as soon as their campaign started;

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/thumbtrack-the-world-s-smallest-wearable-mouse--2#comments

I mean these guys were going to Prototype, Produce and bring to market a brand new type of Wearable "Mouse" for $500.  Sounded fishy from the getgo.

They ended up raising >$31K and have now stated they are creating an additional campaign to raise MORE money.  I knew $500 wouldn't do it :)

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« Reply #201 on: September 17, 2014, 07:47:03 pm »
There have been attempts to build these "finger mice" before, there are even some products like that on the market already. E.g. the Genius Ring mouse (http://www.geniusnet.com/Genius/wSite/ct?xItem=47711&ctNode=105) or http://www.techisdom.com/tag/finger-based-mouse/

There are others, but apart from the novelty value, these gadgets universally suck because of the poor ergonomics. Those Indiegogo folks really had to be smoking something very strong thinking they could sell it for $500.

 

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« Reply #202 on: September 17, 2014, 07:59:01 pm »
Does anyone remember the HP notebook from the 90s with a tiny mouse that pulled out from the side in a little arm?  :)
 

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« Reply #203 on: September 17, 2014, 09:19:31 pm »
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Yes, my partner had one. I thought it was brilliant :)
 

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« Reply #204 on: September 17, 2014, 09:59:59 pm »
Hi All,

While watching the MU-Opic TIC fiasco, I came across this one as soon as their campaign started;

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/thumbtrack-the-world-s-smallest-wearable-mouse--2#comments

I mean these guys were going to Prototype, Produce and bring to market a brand new type of Wearable "Mouse" for $500.  Sounded fishy from the getgo.

They ended up raising >$31K and have now stated they are creating an additional campaign to raise MORE money.  I knew $500 wouldn't do it :)

Simon

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« Reply #205 on: September 18, 2014, 12:05:36 am »
There have been attempts to build these "finger mice" before, there are even some products like that on the market already. E.g. the Genius Ring mouse (http://www.geniusnet.com/Genius/wSite/ct?xItem=47711&ctNode=105) or http://www.techisdom.com/tag/finger-based-mouse/

There are others, but apart from the novelty value, these gadgets universally suck because of the poor ergonomics. Those Indiegogo folks really had to be smoking something very strong thinking they could sell it for $500.

Hi Janoc,

No, I didn't mean it will sell for $500.  What I meant is on their original funding goal, they set the amount at $500.  They ended up with $31K.  This smelt of BS the first time I saw how much they were trying to raise.  They say the retail will be $145.

I mean who in their right mind could think realistically they could even think about endeavoring on a project like this for $500 start up ?  Now they mention that they are starting a Second IDGG campaign.  Quote;

"b) We are thrilled that our last campaign raised a little more than $30,000. However, to be able to visit potential manufacturing partners in China and to bring ThumbTrack™ into production, additional funds are needed"

I think they are trying to lead more lambs to the slaughter. 

I also foresee backers leaving similar comments with this mob as the MU-Opics backers left MU-Optics i.e. Pleading for their money back.  I reckon that pretty soon, when the deadline comes and goes, there will be a few BS updates and slowly but surely there will be few and far between answers from them until they disappear................. Not that I am sceptical or anything.

I CANNOT believe how many suckers there are out there  :phew:

Simon
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« Reply #206 on: September 18, 2014, 01:07:03 pm »
I can't believe Indiegogo or whoever allows a single person to start multiple campaigns for the same project...
 

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« Reply #207 on: September 18, 2014, 01:37:59 pm »
I can't believe Indiegogo or whoever allows a single person to start multiple campaigns for the same project...
I can't believe Indiegogo cares one way or the other, as long as their site gets traffic.
 

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« Reply #208 on: October 06, 2014, 06:01:21 pm »
I can't believe Indiegogo or whoever allows a single person to start multiple campaigns for the same project...
I can't believe Indiegogo cares one way or the other, as long as their site gets traffic.

The next "Scam", sorry meant "Campaign" is underway at a HIGHER price per unit.  Already over $5K.  I cannot believe how stupid and gullable people can be |O

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/thumbtrack-wearable-mouse-better-than-ever

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« Reply #209 on: October 08, 2014, 01:33:39 am »
Hi Janoc,

No, I didn't mean it will sell for $500.  What I meant is on their original funding goal, they set the amount at $500.  They ended up with $31K.  This smelt of BS the first time I saw how much they were trying to raise.  They say the retail will be $145.


Sorry, I have misunderstood, I thought they were trying to sell it for that price. However, flex funding campaign with a $500 target trying to raise money for things like FCC/CE certification, injection molding and whatever (according to the latest campaign he has posted linked few posts above), that's just off-scale  :bullshit:  That's actually even worse than trying to sell this thing for $500 as it is obvious the guy cannot be actually trying to produce this.


 

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« Reply #211 on: October 22, 2014, 07:31:11 am »
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/3d-pocketcopter-the-flying-camera

I'm still not 100% sure if this is a simple scam or just the project of complete idiots.
When they started it, they didn't even understand how a coax heli works or what a swashplate is for. They didn't get that a few mm parallax for a stereo camera just doesn't make any sense.
They still don't grasp that the camera picture will look like filmed by a drunk sailor and they think that using a "12V battery" in a flying gadget is a good idea. Well, I could continue endlessly.

I doesn't really matter anyway that they still don't have a prototype or any experience in creating helis or designing a project for production because if you look at their price point (89€) for a coax heli with 3D camera on a pan and tilt gimbal, 3axis gyro and magnetometer, Bluetooth/Wifi app control for which nothing is developed at this point, you just can't take this project seriously.

Still people threw their money on them, all the gadget side reported about the thing being "pen size" (though the current "specs" say 400g and 16x5cm) and praising the "creator" while everything they created at this point (and up to now) wss a lousy rendering of a thing that could not remotely fly and a video where they used other people's footage.
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« Reply #212 on: October 22, 2014, 10:05:22 am »
Supposedly a hoverboard has been invented. Sure. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/142464853/hendo-hoverboards-worlds-first-real-hoverboard
Looks real. Some people tested it:
http://recode.net/2014/10/20/its-not-quite-marty-mcfly-but-the-hoverboard-is-here-video/
If they are using some the eddy currents in some clever way it might work. You can do some amazing things even with static magnets:

But I wonder how long the battery lasts. It might need a lot of power for the induction, or a clever combination of static and dynamic magnets.
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« Reply #213 on: October 22, 2014, 10:40:08 am »
But I wonder how long the battery lasts. It might need a lot of power for the induction, or a clever combination of static and dynamic magnets.

It uses rotating permanent magnets, the energy goes electromagnetic drag. That said, it would be much cooler with electromagnets ... because that way at least there would be a chance you could do tricks with it (with a couple of kg of rotating magnets in the thing you're not going to flip it).
 

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« Reply #214 on: November 03, 2014, 11:15:08 pm »
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1602632816/qeg-for-everyone?ref=category

I wouldn't even class this one as dodgy. It's just plain fraud.
 

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« Reply #215 on: December 23, 2014, 06:43:06 am »
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1602632816/qeg-for-everyone?ref=category

I wouldn't even class this one as dodgy. It's just plain fraud.

This makes you just one of the ppl that try to hide the truth form the current establishemnt :P

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« Reply #216 on: December 27, 2014, 11:37:14 pm »
Something i came across today when being bored.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mglintzer/adicon-analog-to-digital-converter-for-hifi-enthus?ref=category

I like it how the stress out all the external features. they are so much more important then what DAC they used or other components. But hey it has a high tech made front panel in two colors and some nice flashy LEDs
 

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« Reply #218 on: December 28, 2014, 08:22:28 am »
Something i came across today when being bored.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mglintzer/adicon-analog-to-digital-converter-for-hifi-enthus?ref=category
I like it how the stress out all the external features. they are so much more important then what DAC they used or other components. But hey it has a high tech made front panel in two colors and some nice flashy LEDs
What is so dodgy about this project?
It seems they have a production ready(?) prototype and know what they are doing. Product claims are reasonable. There is whitepaper available showing at first glance nice looking internal construction, schematic and some measurements.
If I was looking for such item, I would consider backing this project. Good luck to them.

They want to have a nice case and front panel - what is wrong with that? Product otherwise would just be black box with audio in/out and power cables.
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« Reply #219 on: December 29, 2014, 03:22:48 am »
Well might have been a bit to hastly to call it dodgy, but the marketing on it makes it seem... weird, If you have a product like that and you want to sell it to ppl that know stuff about audio you should work with technical stuff not showing off a set of flashing LEDs and the front panel.

I do hope this thing works as they make it look like, since that is a useful thing, but the hipster audiophile marketing makes it look like a toy rather the audio product they claim it to be
 

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« Reply #220 on: December 29, 2014, 04:08:47 am »
Not many good ADCs out there but for $400 you can get this if your computer still has firewire:
http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/731/features/

4-in/4-out 24-bit/192kHz

Of course they have more current devices:
http://www.rolandus.com/products/category/498

For around $1000 you can get:
http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1268/498

And for around $200 you can get:
http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1166/498
but only 2 channels at 192KHz

On the $600 range this is a nice one as well:
http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1127/498

But I do wish them well, maybe their equipment is better.

 

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« Reply #221 on: December 31, 2014, 09:43:03 pm »
Yeh true, despite the weird (at least form my prespective) marketing I do hope this will live up to expetation.

Also i came accross this
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/neo-neurophone-n-neural-e-efficiency-o-optimizer

Can someone tell me what the hell is a Pink Fibonacci Frequency ? This looks like some new age bs... founded at 300%
 

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« Reply #222 on: December 31, 2014, 10:34:04 pm »
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Can someone tell me what the hell is a Pink Fibonacci Frequency ? This looks like some new age bs... founded at 300%
Google around for pink noise and Fibonacci Phi and Binaural beats.. I think it's related. 

Yeah, it's definitely some new age bs. :)

I tried to listen to the Fibonacci binaural beats you can find on youtube and I just wanted to vomit.


 

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« Reply #223 on: January 01, 2015, 01:24:57 am »
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Can someone tell me what the hell is a Pink Fibonacci Frequency ? This looks like some new age bs... founded at 300%
Google around for pink noise and Fibonacci Phi and Binaural beats.. I think it's related. 

Yeah, it's definitely some new age bs. :)

I tried to listen to the Fibonacci binaural beats you can find on youtube and I just wanted to vomit.

I tryed... but when I did google for it and read it... i felt like i saw listen to pink noise and it didn't make much sense. How do ppl buy in to this ?
 

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« Reply #224 on: January 01, 2015, 01:31:52 am »
I think I found the patent mentioned in the campaign, at least looks like it is the only patent from Gillis P Flanagan: https://www.google.com/patents/US3647970 . It was cited at the bottom of this page: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/supressed_inventions/suppressed_inventions23.htm where Flanagan wrote about a conspiracy regarding NSA who forbid his patent, which is strange, because you can clearly see it on Google patents :)

This is the Youtube video of the pink fibonacci frequency:



Looks like just a few low frequency sine waves and very quiet at -47 dBFS, which doesn't make sense, because you have to turn up the volume and then later other audio is too loud. Original spectrum:



37 dB amplified waveform:



And of course the device works, no matter what sound it produces, because of the placebo effect. Production cost would be much less than $50, nice profit. Works best with his Megahydrate snake oil (the $33 pledge on the same Indiegogo campaign), which is described here: http://www.megahydrate.eu :palm:
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« Reply #225 on: January 13, 2015, 05:13:53 am »
Maybe dodgy is the wrong term, it's more of a future candidate for the Darwin Awards:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/omo-one-man-octo-copter-flying-machine
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« Reply #226 on: January 14, 2015, 07:39:18 am »
Not crowd funded, but this product implements negative time domain techniques.

http://techcrunch.com/2015/01/08/auroratek-tried-to-pitch-us-a-gadget-that-breaks-the-laws-of-physics-at-ces/
 

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« Reply #227 on: January 16, 2015, 10:45:45 pm »
Cancer diagnosis at home. It's all there: cryptic description, questionable function, some off-the-shelf model picture for the female team member.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-first-at-home-cancer-diagnostic-test
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« Reply #228 on: January 16, 2015, 11:03:15 pm »
Cancer diagnosis at home. It's all there: cryptic description, questionable function, some off-the-shelf model picture for the female team member.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-first-at-home-cancer-diagnostic-test

that's not even dodgy... that's a SCAM...  they claim it's more accurate than MRI in diagnosing cancer  :palm:  :bullshit: :bullshit: :bullshit: their device claims to spit out a warning "high risk of cancer", while MRI will show you the tissue with cancer... how the hell could their device be more accurate then ?

btw... where did the doctors go from their team ? i see only engineers and a CEO.... who the hell did the medical R&D ? where are the links to publications ?

fortunately, it looks they will not make it in 6 days and they have fixed funding.
 

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« Reply #229 on: January 17, 2015, 02:46:57 am »
Well, yeah, we agree that this device will be either completely dysfunctional or have a toy like functionality not even close to the promised features.
It is especially disgusting since it plays with people's fears and could induce tragic consequences for users trusting in the device's verdict.

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« Reply #230 on: January 21, 2015, 12:41:57 am »
This would be illegal in most European countries, it would never get past certification. Don't you yanks have similar laws?

You can't say something diagnoses, treats or improves any medical condition without validated literature to go with it.
 

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« Reply #231 on: January 23, 2015, 09:19:14 pm »
How can ANYONE in his right mind believe this would work... Like we are talking about something that is life and death, Would you honestly trust that to a plastic toy that connects to your smarphone over a trained medical professional with a MRI ? 

I know its the dream to have a auto-doc in your house. but this is a scam, good they did not claim that it will also cure it, might have as well
 

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« Reply #232 on: January 23, 2015, 10:14:17 pm »
How can ANYONE in his right mind believe this would work...
People who are ill or fear to be believe in much more stupid stuff. Like MMS or that all diseases are caused by intestinal flukes you can kill with 2kHz 9V signal created with a 555.
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« Reply #233 on: February 10, 2015, 01:15:46 am »
There is a whole subreddit dedicated to dodgy kickstarter projects (not restricted to electronics-related ones): shittykickstarters
 

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« Reply #234 on: February 16, 2015, 10:48:23 pm »
Ok... I think i see double

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/charge-your-phone-twice-as-fast-chargetech

http://www.amazon.com/Aukey-Motorola-Batteries-Bluetooth-USB-Powered/dp/B00Q873I3K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1424087212&sr=8-1&keywords=aukey+pa-u32

If you scroll down you see the exact same picture just has a silk screen on it

The car charger is the same deal, I even have one of them in my junk heap... Don't recall the brand of the top of my head
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« Reply #235 on: March 03, 2015, 10:29:28 pm »
Cloak of invisibility is finally there...
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-cloak-of-invisibility
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Plugaway: All money spent, another Kickstarter bites the dust...
« Reply #237 on: March 03, 2015, 11:48:22 pm »
Plugaway was an internet connected plug and bulb. The Kickstarter was supposed to be a marketing/customer feedback (fine-tuning) exercise, with a goal of $50,000 AUD and all R&D costs paid for by the project creators.
Yet,  despite raising 3 times the initial goal, the coffers have run dry and the backers who stuck with them given the finger: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/plugaway/plugaway-your-smart-home-on-your-smart-phone/posts/1149647
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« Reply #238 on: March 03, 2015, 11:55:08 pm »
Plugaway was an internet connected plug and bulb. The Kickstarter was supposed to be a marketing/customer feedback (fine-tuning) exercise, with a goal of $50,000 AUD and all R&D costs paid for by the project creators.
Yet,  despite raising 3 times the initial goal, the coffers have run dry and the backers who stuck with them given the finger: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/plugaway/plugaway-your-smart-home-on-your-smart-phone/posts/1149647

I didn't back it, but I thought the Plugaway project was a pretty good idea.  I wish it had succeeded.  The funny part is reading the comments.. people don't seem to realize that kickstarter is not a store, it's an investment in an idea that might not work.  Anyone who gives money to any kickstarter campaign should realize it's like the stock market, and could fail at any time, leaving you with nothing.  No one should invest in a kickstarter campaign if they can't afford the risk.
 

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« Reply #239 on: March 04, 2015, 01:00:04 am »
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And yet project creators are "responsible for completing the project and fulfilling each reward. Their fundamental obligation to backers is to finish all the work that was promised." Backing a project for a reward that is a tangible item is indeed rather like shopping, with the only real difference being that the product doesn't yet exist (in most cases).

Kickstarter goes on: "If a creator is absolutely unable to complete the project and fulfill rewards, they must make every reasonable effort to find another way of bringing the project to a satisfying conclusion for their backers."

When you buy something from a pukka shop, the deal may still fall through and you won't get what you're promised. The main difference between that and kickstarter is that the deal isn't on until the funding period ends. Between your 'shopping' and the end of funding, enough money may not be raised so nothing happens. In a real shop, you pay and the item is basically already yours regardless of bank loans, other shoppers, etc.

Of course backers are investing. They are investing in the rewards, which have been promised and which should be delivered.
 

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« Reply #240 on: March 05, 2015, 06:29:44 am »
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I didn't back it, but I thought the Plugaway project was a pretty good idea.  I wish it had succeeded...

I am always amazed about the video quality of the publicity they make. What's the price of their movie?
Must be +30K euro, no? Who's in the professional video editing business?
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« Reply #241 on: March 05, 2015, 08:57:53 am »
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kickstarter is not a store, it's an investment in an idea that might not work

And yet project creators are "responsible for completing the project and fulfilling each reward. Their fundamental obligation to backers is to finish all the work that was promised." Backing a project for a reward that is a tangible item is indeed rather like shopping, with the only real difference being that the product doesn't yet exist (in most cases).

Kickstarter goes on: "If a creator is absolutely unable to complete the project and fulfill rewards, they must make every reasonable effort to find another way of bringing the project to a satisfying conclusion for their backers."

When you buy something from a pukka shop, the deal may still fall through and you won't get what you're promised. The main difference between that and kickstarter is that the deal isn't on until the funding period ends. Between your 'shopping' and the end of funding, enough money may not be raised so nothing happens. In a real shop, you pay and the item is basically already yours regardless of bank loans, other shoppers, etc.

Of course backers are investing. They are investing in the rewards, which have been promised and which should be delivered.

If Kickstarter is an investment, it isn't a very good one, since a contributor puts the whole of their contribution at risk, and in exchange may, at best, get a discounted price on a product they want and can't otherwise get. I actually think this is a good thing, because if it offered the potential of significant upside, it would promote more degenerate gambling behavior amongst contributors.

The text you've omitted between the two quotes you took from the kickstarter FAQ is:

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Once a creator has done so, they’ve fulfilled their obligation to their backers. At the same time, backers must understand that Kickstarter is not a store. When you back a project, you’re helping to create something new — not ordering something that already exists. There’s a chance something could happen that prevents the creator from being able to finish the project as promised.

Or putting it another way, this may seem like shopping, its not. I'd suggest a better analogy is buying season tickets (or viewing rights) for a sports team - they may win, they may loose.

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Many backers are rallying around their friends' projects. Some are supporting a new effort from someone they've long admired. Some are just inspired by a new idea, while others are motivated to pledge by a project's rewards — a copy of what's being produced, a limited edition, or a custom experience related to the project.

Backing a project is more than just pledging funds to a creator. It's pledging your support to a creative idea that you want to see exist in the world.

Over and over, Kickstarter talks about creativity, creating, creators. Creativity always includes failures along the way. Engineers (and lawyers) put a lot of emphasis on managing risk, but there is also a risk of mediocrity in not taking a big enough risk, and when taking bigger risks, the risk that money will run out before the project is "done."

Kickstarter projects should strive to be realistic in their plans and promises, and finish what they start, but backers should know, that won't always happen, or if it does, it may be late, or fall short of initial promises.
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The text you've omitted ...

I didn't think relevant to the point I was making there, and I addressed it anyway earlier (although rereading that now I see it may not be obvious).
 

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« Reply #243 on: March 05, 2015, 10:09:31 am »
Kickstarter projects should strive to be realistic in their plans and promises, and finish what they start, but backers should know, that won't always happen, or if it does, it may be late, or fall short of initial promises.

This is the key take-away here.  For most kickstarter projects I've seen, the "creators" legitimately want to bring something good into the world, something they want to see happen and they believe in it. What they are selling is that belief, to gain backers and financial support. They don't want to fail, and they do want to deliver on their rewards and products.   I think most projects start with good intentions but fail due to lack of experience and poor estimates of actual time and costs. 
 

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« Reply #244 on: March 06, 2015, 10:26:38 pm »


I don't know if it is dodgy, because usually it didn't turn out well when the USA was engaged in a war, as you can see in Vietnam or Iraq (maybe with the positive exception of WW2), but it has already 19 backers, $483.56 of the T$100 goal. I'll support the campaing with the G$10 pledge as soon as I manage to break the Bitcoin encryption: "Inclusion in the ruling class when the New World Order is established in the aftermath of the Battle for Earth"
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« Reply #245 on: March 07, 2015, 08:30:35 pm »
Plugaway was an internet connected plug and bulb. The Kickstarter was supposed to be a marketing/customer feedback (fine-tuning) exercise, with a goal of $50,000 AUD and all R&D costs paid for by the project creators.
Yet,  despite raising 3 times the initial goal, the coffers have run dry and the backers who stuck with them given the finger: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/plugaway/plugaway-your-smart-home-on-your-smart-phone/posts/1149647

According to their financials they payed $58K for molding and $25K for office rental, I realise getting plastics right is expensive but this just doesn't seem right. Especially if they put $50K for their minimum goal. Maybe getting it certified was too much of a hassle...


...
I didn't back it, but I thought the Plugaway project was a pretty good idea.  I wish it had succeeded...

I am always amazed about the video quality of the publicity they make. What's the price of their movie?
Must be +30K euro, no? Who's in the professional video editing business?

There are a few studios around the world that specialise in Kickstarter campaigns, for example the studio that did http://kck.st/IfPkIA charges $20K USD plus 5% of the campaign total.

This makes it hard for the little guys who genuinely need to Kickstart their project and don't have a spare $30K USD to spend on marketing!
 

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« Reply #246 on: March 07, 2015, 09:04:23 pm »
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Gotta say they are worth every penny - despite going there from this thread I absolutely wanted one of those, and even found myself on the store page about to click the PayPal link  :-+
 

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« Reply #247 on: March 07, 2015, 10:08:16 pm »
The paper airplane project is very cool, but I guess people would have bought it even with a home video. See for example the video of HackRF (which I backed). No PR bullshit like the shampoo or Mentos Cola in the airplane video, just pure information. It was funded with 750% of the goal. Ok, target audience requirements might be different, but I still think if you have a good product, you don't need to spend tons of money for a video. That's only what the advertisment industry tries to tell you.
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« Reply #248 on: March 07, 2015, 10:56:52 pm »
The HackRF video is still pretty decent. I think it is, in some ways, much like having an ace programmer design the user interface: some are quite capable of that, but IME the two are separate arts and you might be really good at one yet spectacularly bad at the other. If you just can't create videos then paying someone else to do it, and have it really slick, is worth it.

The issue with stuff like Kickstarter is that you get more than one type of punter. In the case of HackRF I suspect that the video is mere wallpaper: either you know what this is about and you really want one, or it is so meh and your eyes glaze over. It would take quite a lot of persuasion to get you to shift from one position to the other.

OTOH, the paper plane thing needs to catch your inner child in the first few seconds and not let go, otherwise it's just another paper plane and you gave those up two decades ago. The video is entertaining enough that you'll watch it regardless of what it's selling, and by the end its message will have got across to a pretty captive audience who didn't realise at the outset that they wanted the make paper planes still.

Worked on me, anyway :)
 

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« Reply #249 on: March 07, 2015, 11:00:12 pm »
If Kickstarter is an investment, it isn't a very good one, since a contributor puts the whole of their contribution at risk, and in exchange may, at best, get a discounted price on a product...

Indeed. People are confused when talking about investing.
They never should have bought an Apple product, but for the same price bought an action, it has the value of a house now.

But whinewhine I want the product now, and share the expierience and be seen and...
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« Reply #250 on: March 08, 2015, 08:02:47 pm »

There are a few studios around the world that specialise in Kickstarter campaigns, for example the studio that did http://kck.st/IfPkIA charges $20K USD plus 5% of the campaign total.

This makes it hard for the little guys who genuinely need to Kickstart their project and don't have a spare $30K USD to spend on marketing!

+20K (and if some fancy CGI, +40K I guess) for a video must be a shocking number for those naive backers.

"With this kickstart campaign we hope to raise enough money to market another Kickstart campaign to..."
I wouldn't be surprised if those studios bought actions in Kickstart inc.
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« Reply #251 on: March 08, 2015, 08:15:14 pm »
It's mildly confusing when you call shares/stocks "actions".
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« Reply #252 on: March 08, 2015, 09:13:44 pm »
It's mildly confusing when you call shares/stocks "actions".

I use too many languages to be accurate in this. Such errors will happen again.

Aandeel(Nl) -> Action(Fr) -> Action(En) -> Wrong
Aandeel(Nl) -> Aktie(De) -> Action(En) -> Wrong

Aandeel(Nl) -> Action(Fr) -> Share(En) -> Right
Aandeel(Nl) -> Aktie(De) -> Share(En) -> Right
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« Reply #253 on: March 12, 2015, 03:37:18 pm »
Just stumbled across this
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1915118535/piio-a-gpio-board-for-raspberry-pi/description

I was most concerned about the autorouting until I discovered the relays are supposedly rated for 250V 7A!    :palm:

EDIT: board layouts here
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1915118535/piio-a-gpio-board-for-raspberry-pi/posts
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« Reply #254 on: March 12, 2015, 09:29:57 pm »
Just stumbled across this
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1915118535/piio-a-gpio-board-for-raspberry-pi/description

I was most concerned about the autorouting until I discovered the relays are supposedly rated for 250V 7A!    :palm:

EDIT: board layouts here
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1915118535/piio-a-gpio-board-for-raspberry-pi/posts

The product may still work as claimed, but the routing , and even the component placement choices, is just awful.

The relays may be rated at 7A (maybe that's what fit the area and budget) but I hope somewhere on the page it says no more than 1 - 2 Amps max.
The traces look like about 50 mils or so.  They will get warm at 2A, and too hot to touch at 3A.


 

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« Reply #255 on: March 13, 2015, 04:16:14 am »
7A, though at 7.1A the traces act like fuses for a safe disconnect.
 

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« Reply #256 on: March 21, 2015, 06:17:38 am »
Free energy inverter:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1338118691/free-energy-inverter?ref=category_newest

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The project involves the assembly of high voltage electronic components and control circuits, but unfortunately I am no electric engineer, although a good handyman and excellent self learner.
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A certain amount of X ray and other exotic electromagnetic effects will be present when the machine is in operation, so I hope not to die in the process of getting it to work.

Apart from that it should be a piece of cake...
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Well he did say he's not an "electric engineer"...
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« Reply #257 on: March 21, 2015, 06:38:42 am »
Free energy inverter:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1338118691/free-energy-inverter?ref=category_newest

I hate it when people use pictures from patents, but don't cite the patent number. This is the patent from where the pictures where stolen. Doesn't looks very useful. And of course, the whole campaign is bullshit. Probably he copied the 120 PDF file from some other crackpot "free energy" website. At least he could have done one of these silly videos with lots of motors, batteries and multimeters which proves nothing.
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« Reply #258 on: March 21, 2015, 06:42:14 am »
Yeah forgot to mention that it looks like a ripped off patent.

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« Reply #261 on: March 31, 2015, 02:21:11 pm »
The only time I noticed a difference in sound was when I switched from small signal-wires (about 1,5mm in diameter) to proper loudspeaker-cables (about 5mm diameter just for the copper). The music was louder and the bass was more powerful. And the new cables don't get warm when I turn up the volume :D
Everything else is a surprisingly successful marketing-scheme... Maybe I should try it sometime: "Audiophile WiFi-Antenna for the best MP3 Download-Quality!"  :-DD

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« Reply #262 on: April 13, 2015, 02:20:54 am »
Omg... "Multipole technology inside"   :palm:
 

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« Reply #263 on: May 02, 2015, 11:06:02 am »
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanoplug-the-world-s-first-invisible-hearing-aid

The creator claimed that they couldn't get the CE mark for their amazing product because its battery is too small. So they instead sent the backers some existing hearing aids worth about 10 times less :o
 

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« Reply #264 on: May 02, 2015, 09:53:16 pm »
Well, that doesn't look dubious but like a scam that was planned as such from the beginning.

I can offer a really dubious one though:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/295213551/xeos-3d-printer/

Indeed a guy of this name designed (!) this concept during his bachelor thesis in 2012 at a German university. We're talking industrial design here, not engineering!
Now he seems to have moved to Kansas City, presents only old renderings from 2012 and wants to collect a sum as low as $15,500 in only a few days.
Indeed this must be the shortest campaign I ever saw on Kickstarter. Hit and run tactics? And what can you do with $15k?
Prices start at $99 for the single-head version, which is kinda ridiculous. Also no information whatsoever about resolution, speed etc.
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« Reply #265 on: May 03, 2015, 02:09:46 am »
I can offer a really dubious one though:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/295213551/xeos-3d-printer/

Funding Suspended
Funding for this project was suspended by Kickstarter 5 minutes ago.
 

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« Reply #266 on: May 03, 2015, 09:55:33 am »

Since the end of successful Tiko campaign there have been two episodes of 3D printer drama unfolded on Kickstarter. The first one was Nea (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1920177285/nea). Now this one  :o
 

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« Reply #267 on: May 03, 2015, 09:00:19 pm »
Both seem to come from the same person though. At least both (fake) accounts were verified by the same person "Dale Groth" who has another canceled project in his history:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2009151012/rgm-crate-rube-goldberg-machine-crate
Guess this fake profile was just created to verify other fake profiles.

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« Reply #268 on: May 05, 2015, 06:00:23 am »
Apparently "launching soon on kickstarter": http://www.nikolalabs.co/   :palm:

 

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« Reply #269 on: May 05, 2015, 06:04:29 am »
Apparently "launching soon on kickstarter": http://www.nikolalabs.co/   :palm:
Does Nikola Tesla have a Kickstarter account?  I thought he was dead.

Can you imagine how much (if any?) usable RF spectrum would remain for communication if Nick's idea of wireless power transmission had succeeded?   :scared:
 

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« Reply #270 on: May 05, 2015, 06:22:33 am »
They're at TechCrunch Disrupt in NY today: http://startupalleyny15.techcrunch.com/index.php?day=1&comp=556

With a team of real people: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/nikola-labs-llc

I wish I could be there to watch this  :-DD
 

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« Reply #272 on: May 06, 2015, 01:27:21 am »
That was interesting to watch. Thanks for the link!

I'm very confused about how a reputable university like Ohio State got involved with all of this. I tried looking up the patent filings they mentioned but I couldn't find them.

As soon as I saw that there were industry judges, I was sure someone was going to call them out. But this never happened. In fact the first question was "Could you tell me a bit more about why you started with an iPhone case?"  |O

On their twitter you can see what the disassembled cases look like: https://twitter.com/NikolaLabs/status/594248353308774400.

They'll probably reach their goal and confirmation bias will be enough to convince people that they're getting 30% extra power  :palm:
 

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« Reply #273 on: May 06, 2015, 02:50:47 pm »
Rob Lee claimed that their trick is to collect the energy transmitted from the phone. However, the statistics shows that the power consumed by those communications (e.g. GSM Wi-Fi) is less than 50% of total smartphone power consumption. How can they save 30% in total by harvesting those energy without affecting the communication performance?
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« Reply #274 on: May 08, 2015, 11:00:52 pm »
Rob Lee claimed that their trick is to collect the energy transmitted from the phone. However, the statistics shows that the power consumed by those communications (e.g. GSM Wi-Fi) is less than 50% of total smartphone power consumption. How can they save 30% in total by harvesting those energy without affecting the communication performance?
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« Reply #276 on: May 09, 2015, 06:52:05 am »
Not everyone is falling for them: http://hackaday.com/2015/05/05/techcrunch-disrupt-charging-a-phone-with-its-own-transmitter/

this might have something to do with HaD previously endorsing Soap scam, they learned their lesson
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« Reply #277 on: May 09, 2015, 10:49:50 am »
.....

They'll probably reach their goal and confirmation bias will be enough to convince people that they're getting 30% extra power  :palm:

Remember that iFind campaign? I think that the same thing will happen to this campaign as well ;)
 

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