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Title: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: Electro-Big-Nose on July 02, 2015, 04:02:27 am
SolarLayer - Every Surface is a Solar Panel

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solarlayer-every-surface-is-a-solar-panel#/story (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solarlayer-every-surface-is-a-solar-panel#/story)

Another Indigogo campaign to raise money  :palm:

Dave Jones, would you care to tear a new hole with this one on a possible up coming review  :clap:
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: JoeO on July 02, 2015, 06:37:44 am
Supposedly they have received $160 in funding but no perks have been claimed.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: CronusWorks on July 02, 2015, 07:11:06 am
Is that an iPhone photoshopped as a power bank? :-DD

I will give the Solar Roadways project a point over these guys, since (most of) what they wanted to do was actually possible, just stupidly wasteful and inefficient.  This is just absurd.  Not unlike the guy sticking his probes into the asphalt.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: silviustro on July 02, 2015, 07:12:58 am
Oh god...

there's actually a picture of some asshole measuring the road with a multimeter on their indiegogo page....

That picture sums up the entire project perfectly...
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: Halcyon on July 02, 2015, 07:13:35 am
What on earth is going on here?

Measuring the resistance of asphalt?! A+ for safety though. High-vis hardhat and vest (which was clearly JUST taken out of the packet before the photo).

(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/004/057/917/8310c29c2a171708f28ff7be0cd55438_original.JPG?v=1435500514&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=099534976723e181f6aa8aeb021045ea)


Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: silviustro on July 02, 2015, 07:16:52 am
Dave Jones, would you care to tear a new hole with this one

This crap isn't even worthy of being teared down by Dave... Come on, just read the project description, they're tearing themselves down...
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: void_error on July 02, 2015, 07:48:28 am
What on earth is going on here?

Measuring the resistance of asphalt?! A+ for safety though. High-vis hardhat and vest (which was clearly JUST taken out of the packet before the photo).
:-DD
I do have to admit I measured the resistance of my beer once... :scared:
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: Halcyon on July 02, 2015, 08:36:58 am
What on earth is going on here?

Measuring the resistance of asphalt?! A+ for safety though. High-vis hardhat and vest (which was clearly JUST taken out of the packet before the photo).
:-DD
I do have to admit I measured the resistance of my beer once... :scared:

Hahah, who hasn't?! Probably worked better than the roadway!
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: Mr.B on July 02, 2015, 09:40:08 am
Right… That’s it…

I am going to start an IGG campaign to develop a better lemon.

If we can raise just $5,000,000 we will secure a vision of free energy lining every street in the world.

I need someone from a credible source, like the EEVblog to stand in a lemon grove holding a Fluke or Agilent DMM so I can take a photograph to give my campaign instant credibility. Maybe Dave will do it…

If all goes well and the dumb fucks at IGG let me do it with flexible funding, I should walk away with millions to enjoy the rest of my life.

Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: PTR_1275 on July 02, 2015, 09:47:08 am
Is it just me that thinks that the roll of special conductive crap looks like thermal exhaust wrap?

Also, is the person wearing the hi-vis vest backwards? There is no opening at the front like every hi vis vest I have seen.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: PTR_1275 on July 02, 2015, 09:47:47 am
Just reverse image searched their "special conductor"

http://fr.dreamstime.com/images-libres-de-droits-bande-de-tissu-de-fibre-de-verre-image25337869 (http://fr.dreamstime.com/images-libres-de-droits-bande-de-tissu-de-fibre-de-verre-image25337869)
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: Mr.B on July 02, 2015, 09:50:23 am
Just reverse image searched their "special conductor"

http://fr.dreamstime.com/images-libres-de-droits-bande-de-tissu-de-fibre-de-verre-image25337869 (http://fr.dreamstime.com/images-libres-de-droits-bande-de-tissu-de-fibre-de-verre-image25337869)

"A small roll of fiberglass cloth tape made of twisted strands of fiberglass with woven edges"

 :-DD
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: EEVblog on July 02, 2015, 10:29:13 am
Here we go again!
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: EEVblog on July 02, 2015, 10:30:14 am
And the "inventor" is business guy who is affiliated with one of those "idea factories" (idea.me) . Oh dear  :scared:
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: EEVblog on July 02, 2015, 10:31:08 am
Just reverse image searched their "special conductor"
http://fr.dreamstime.com/images-libres-de-droits-bande-de-tissu-de-fibre-de-verre-image25337869 (http://fr.dreamstime.com/images-libres-de-droits-bande-de-tissu-de-fibre-de-verre-image25337869)

Nice find, busted!
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: Zad on July 02, 2015, 10:41:42 am
It all feels like the sort of scheme I used to come up with when I was 14 !
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: schwarzrmsu on July 02, 2015, 12:05:23 pm
More like Solar Player.  Simply trying to "play" the general public.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: aidan2496 on July 02, 2015, 12:53:54 pm
This is gold  :-DD  Most of the footage on there looks like it's off sutterstock or something  :palm:
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: TerraHertz on July 02, 2015, 01:56:11 pm
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/004/057/917/8310c29c2a171708f28ff7be0cd55438_original.JPG?v=1435500514&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=099534976723e181f6aa8aeb021045ea)

That meter he's 'measuring the road' with, is almost certainly one of these pieces of crap.
I seem to recall that costing me a whole $7, in a shop in Sydney. Good to know those guys are sparing no expense to get an _accurate_ measurement of the road.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: Red Squirrel on July 02, 2015, 02:43:02 pm
I'm all for green energy but this is hilarious.  While they're at it they should make micro wind turbines they can mix in as well.

That guy should be wearing at least cat 3 rated gloves too, dealing with an unknown amount of power and all.   :-DD
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: Halcyon on July 02, 2015, 04:33:57 pm
They also forgot to mention in the "Risks and Challenges" section that they are mostly talking out of their arse and the entire concept it bullshit. But I guess that doesn't sell?

Honestly, I can't get over that photo of that guy "measuring" the road. What on earth were they thinking? "Hey you, just kneel down there, pretend you're doing something technical".
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: miguelvp on July 02, 2015, 04:39:46 pm
They also forgot to mention in the "Risks and Challenges" section that they are mostly talking out of their arse and the entire concept it bullshit. But I guess that doesn't sell?

Honestly, I can't get over that photo of that guy "measuring" the road. What on earth were they thinking? "Hey you, just kneel down there, pretend you're doing something technical".

He has the meter set on frequency and is looking for "TerraHertz"  :-DD
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: G7PSK on July 02, 2015, 05:24:15 pm
The special conductor is woven roving, used by the ton in boat building and other GRP industries.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: mtdoc on July 02, 2015, 05:30:03 pm
This is orders of magnitude worse tha solar roadways. This is just a blatant scam - at best a front for selling overpriced solar branded swag. Indiegogo really has no filter, do they?
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: EEVblog on July 02, 2015, 05:56:18 pm
Indiegogo really has no filter, do they?

None. That is why Indiegogo is the scammers/dreamers/delusionals platform of choice.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: EEVblog on July 02, 2015, 06:30:54 pm
That meter he's 'measuring the road' with, is almost certainly one of these pieces of crap.
I seem to recall that costing me a whole $7, in a shop in Sydney. Good to know those guys are sparing no expense to get an _accurate_ measurement of the road.

Yup! And the leads are in the wrong jacks and it's turned off!  :-DD

(http://res.cloudinary.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,f_auto,w_620/v1435605112/iexr0dm1rq9cklwnhe00.jpg)
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: Halcyon on July 02, 2015, 06:35:36 pm
Yup! And the leads are in the wrong jacks!  :-DD

There's another photo?!! Amazing! Hahahah, oh gawd. Is the damn thing switched on? Does it even have batteries installed?
Oh please, Dave, you need to start a new segment on EEVblog: "Epic fails of the Electronics Kind". Name and shame just like they do on ABC's 'The Checkout'.

 :-DD
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: DaveG on July 02, 2015, 07:28:32 pm
His Hi-Vis vest is on backwards as well.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: nixxon on July 02, 2015, 08:02:30 pm
I was about to comment on the campaign at https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solarlayer-every-surface-is-a-solar-panel#/comments (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solarlayer-every-surface-is-a-solar-panel#/comments,), but there was an obstacle that I have no intention of overcoming:

"You must contribute to this campaign to make a public comment"

EDIT: On the other side, this offer seems very good:

$2000 USD + Shipping
SOLAR LAYER PAINT BIGGER ROOF
We will send you 30 Liters of White Paint with the SolarLayer Technology. Enough to Convert your Roof in a SolarPanel with the explanations on how to install it.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: leppie on July 02, 2015, 08:35:22 pm
:-DD
I do have to admit I measured the resistance of my beer once... :scared:

My beer has zero resistance :D
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: EEVblog on July 02, 2015, 11:29:53 pm
And the crystal photo is also ripped off from here:
http://www.gustate.net/tag/como-curar-la-sinusitis/ (http://www.gustate.net/tag/como-curar-la-sinusitis/)
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: nixxon on July 03, 2015, 01:06:48 am
And the crystal photo is also ripped off from here:
http://www.gustate.net/tag/como-curar-la-sinusitis/ (http://www.gustate.net/tag/como-curar-la-sinusitis/)

All the photos are actually grabbed from other web sites if you search on https://images.google.com/ (https://images.google.com/)
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: Asmyldof on July 03, 2015, 01:19:06 am
And the crystal photo is also ripped off from here:
http://www.gustate.net/tag/como-curar-la-sinusitis/ (http://www.gustate.net/tag/como-curar-la-sinusitis/)

At least that source website is mainly based on bullshit as well, so at least it's stolen within the same theme of phoolery.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: LabSpokane on July 03, 2015, 01:29:03 am
An energy project so pathetic that no one even had to break out a cocktail napkin and dull golf pencil to debunk it.  I'd like to think the "industry" has hit rock-bottom, but I'm sure we'll see worse. 
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: funfairEE on July 03, 2015, 04:57:36 am
Am I the only person that thinks this hole project is a parody? It is like they are making fun of themselves it has to be a joke.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: Poolkeeper on July 03, 2015, 06:11:09 am
I am mostly reading and learning from the forums but this have made my day.

There is a linked news article from the IndiGogo site under Update 1. Extract from the streetinsider.com article (read all of it if you have time, it is really hilarious):

"Through a special process, each photovoltaic cell is able to use this areas to intelligently allow and stop energy flow from and to the fibre conductor avoiding a shortcut chaos. Most importantly, each cell will re-route energy coming from the fibre to the magnetic north. This is the way by which instead of thousands of possible destinations, the flow of energy always finds its way to the magnetic North where the conductor will end and the electric current will be trapped by a special copper wire."

Cheers,
Tom
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: Bassman59 on July 03, 2015, 06:28:18 am
I am mostly reading and learning from the forums but this have made my day.

There is a linked news article from the IndiGogo site under Update 1. Extract from the streetinsider.com article (read all of it if you have time, it is really hilarious):

"Through a special process, each photovoltaic cell is able to use this areas to intelligently allow and stop energy flow from and to the fibre conductor avoiding a shortcut chaos. Most importantly, each cell will re-route energy coming from the fibre to the magnetic north. This is the way by which instead of thousands of possible destinations, the flow of energy always finds its way to the magnetic North where the conductor will end and the electric current will be trapped by a special copper wire."

Streetinsider basically publishes PR. The question: do they pay for the PR, or do they charge advertising rates for the PR?
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: jippie on July 03, 2015, 06:54:34 am
[...] Most importantly, each cell will re-route energy coming from the fibre to the magnetic north. This is the way by which instead of thousands of possible destinations, the flow of energy always finds its way to the magnetic North where the conductor will end and the electric current will be trapped by a special copper wire [...]

These sort of people make me go depressed for spending many hours on an honest job, earning too little money in my opinion  >:(
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: edy on July 03, 2015, 06:55:57 am
Hey guys, I have a GREAT IDEA! What we basically need is a DEBUNKING site for crowd-sourced projects, something like:

IndieNoNo

-and-

KickScammer

Basically these 2 sites would DUPLICATE the URL of the legitimate IndieGogo and KickStarter sites and essentially show a screenshot of the REAL campaign page and then allow full unfettered access to post comments below for each project. People would need to login to post, but otherwise the purpose of the debunking sites would be to try and increase the RANKING in Google to present another landing page for the campaign and offer a place for comments by engineers, scientists and any skeptics.

So....

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solarlayer-every-surface-is-a-solar-panel (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solarlayer-every-surface-is-a-solar-panel)

...would be....

https://www.indie (https://www.indie)nono.com/projects/solarlayer-every-surface-is-a-solar-panel

The site would allow people to create a DEBUNK page to essentially MIRROR the actual campaign and hence the almost identical URL. It would be easy and avoid duplications of people submitting or creating "threads" so to speak.

So? Anyone want to start something like this? How would it be funded? Probably ad revenue.


 
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: ataradov on July 03, 2015, 07:05:19 am
Both URLs are taken by squatters. And also, there is no need to do this. There always be people who believe in this sort of junk. Let them be burned.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: edy on July 03, 2015, 07:31:08 am
Both URLs are taken by squatters. And also, there is no need to do this. There always be people who believe in this sort of junk. Let them be burned.

Yes, you are right. People will learn... maybe the hard way. A few bucks to get burned and then you never do it again. Still, those domains (if they are cheap to buy) and some simple back-end programming for commenting/blog posting may actually not be a bad business idea for someone.

I do enjoy the EEVBlog forums for this kind of stuff!
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: nixxon on July 03, 2015, 08:26:18 am
Now all of the silly photos have been removed from the indiegogo campaign.

The guy responsible calls himself Lucas Cervigni and a portrait photo is included. He is supposed to have 123 facebook friends. When I visit his profile at facebook, I cannot find any friends at all. There are only 2 photos;  the same portrait photo as on indiegogo and a picture of the interior of a big & fancy white room at 30 Park Place in NY.

Even the picture of the big, fancy room is grabbed from the internet: http://www.thepinkwaterreport.com/the-union-of-art-real-estate-in-nyc/ (http://www.thepinkwaterreport.com/the-union-of-art-real-estate-in-nyc/) Picture text: "30 Park Place, showing Penthouse Interior"

or http://www.thirtyparkplace.com/ (http://www.thirtyparkplace.com/)
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: edy on July 03, 2015, 08:51:14 am
The campaign only raised $215 so far, possibly from acquaintances of the "Creator". I don't see them reaching anywhere close to $100,000. They have FLEXIBLE FUNDING which means they will keep whatever they get, even if they never reach anywhere close to $100,000.

The only perks claimed are a centimeter of road in London and New York, which is just "fluff". Not even any of their gimmicky corporate-branded promo garbage is being requested... like mugs, T-shirts, pens, power chargers, wrist-bands and other crap. They would need a minimum order to buy these items from a promotional items catalog and get their logo printed on them, so if only 2 people order a phone case or slim power bank, there is no way they are going to send you a "branded" one (maybe they will print some stickers on their inkjet and stick it on).

So at best, you may get some branded (or plain) swag, and at worst you will get nothing and they will be off with your money. However, this campaign seems relatively harmless as far as money-skimming so far. Let's hope it stays that way.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: Ian.M on July 03, 2015, 08:59:27 am
Better yet, *IF* the nanotechnology to actually build the particles in this solar paint actually existed, it still wouldn't work if implemented as described, because if any significant current was drawn it would distort the local geomagnetic field, rearranging the interconnections.   If you didn't let it adapt by rearranging the interconnections, I believe it wouldn't cope well with micro scale physical damage so its output would rapidly degrade due to weathering and ordinary wear.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: EEVblog on July 03, 2015, 09:13:48 am
Am I the only person that thinks this hole project is a parody? It is like they are making fun of themselves it has to be a joke.

The thing is though, at least the concept is based on a real thing, Solar paint is not new, it's a branch of nano organic photovoltaics, and a lot of research has been done in this area.
But of course it's obvious this mad haven't clue. You without having worked on it for 4 years and not have any real prototype or demonstration to show.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: EEVblog on July 03, 2015, 09:16:13 am
Now all of the silly photos have been removed from the indiegogo campaign.

They are indeed gone!
Lucky I kept the one with the multimeter
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: EEVblog on July 03, 2015, 09:21:06 am
Hey guys, I have a GREAT IDEA! What we basically need is a DEBUNKING site for crowd-sourced projects, something like:
IndieNoNo
KickScammer
Basically these 2 sites would DUPLICATE the URL of the legitimate IndieGogo and KickStarter sites and essentially show a screenshot of the REAL campaign page and then allow full unfettered access to post comments below for each project. People would need to login to post, but otherwise the purpose of the debunking sites would be to try and increase the RANKING in Google to present another landing page for the campaign and offer a place for comments by engineers, scientists and any skeptics.
So....
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solarlayer-every-surface-is-a-solar-panel (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solarlayer-every-surface-is-a-solar-panel)
...would be....
https://www.indie (https://www.indie)nono.com/projects/solarlayer-every-surface-is-a-solar-panel
The site would allow people to create a DEBUNK page to essentially MIRROR the actual campaign and hence the almost identical URL. It would be easy and avoid duplications of people submitting or creating "threads" so to speak.
So? Anyone want to start something like this? How would it be funded? Probably ad revenue.

Brilliant idea!
Not sure how chuffed they will be to have their sites scrapped like that though.
Would probably only need a $5/month shared server, traffic would not be huge.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: TerraHertz on July 03, 2015, 11:15:12 am
Yup! And the leads are in the wrong jacks and it's turned off!  :-DD

Oh my god! Such stupidity in one photo. Expecting anyone to take 'road measurement' seriously, massive meter fail, vest on backwards, the vest and shiny new hardhat both just out of the box...
The only thing they seem to have succeeded at, is someone knows how to tie a bow knot.

I didn't think there was a level of technical illiteracy high enough to plug the leads in the "10A" and "V-ohms-mA" jacks, and neglect to turn it on. Maybe they reasoned that if it was on it would be reading "0.00" and someone might notice.
For those who wisely don't own that model, here's a closeup. Yes, the leads break like that.

I didn't look through the rest of the site. Did anyone notice if the guy holding the meter appears in any other shots? If not, did they actually pay for an actor? Ha ha as if. Or just wheedle someone they knew to play in the photoshoot?
If that guy isn't involved in the scam, it's faintly possible he deliberately set the meter leads wrong to make fun of them. Faiintly... but no, the vest on backwards, and the cameraman noticing nothing wrong surely indicate imbeciles all round.

This is all so disappointing. You'd expect scammers to at least be fairly cunning and spin an interesting yarn. Like that guy with the vortex coils. That was fun. These guys don't even seem to have a pretty girlfriend.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: sysmatt on July 03, 2015, 11:49:37 am
The hokey pokey multimeter in street sooo reminds me of this little chestnut...

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01532/tomato_1532615i.jpg)
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: EEVblog on July 03, 2015, 12:30:43 pm
I didn't look through the rest of the site. Did anyone notice if the guy holding the meter appears in any other shots? If not, did they actually pay for an actor? Ha ha as if. Or just wheedle someone they knew to play in the photoshoot?

I thought it looked like the inventor himself?
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: PTR_1275 on July 03, 2015, 02:18:21 pm
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solarlayer-every-surface-is-a-solar-panel#/updates (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solarlayer-every-surface-is-a-solar-panel#/updates)

500 visits in 2 days, how many of those were from us here?

They are upto $215, hopefully that is a sign that people aren't stupid.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: PTR_1275 on July 03, 2015, 02:22:31 pm
Quote
The conductor is a super thin 2µm (microns) copper-based alloy fibre that acts as the basic conducting surface. This fibre can be fabricated as a cloth or as a powder.

The photovoltaic cells are the most innovative and revolutionary of the three components. They have the capacity to transform light sources to electricity, to work as an intelligent conductor and to  sense the magnetic North. Cells surfaces have a series of conducting and non-conducting areas. Through a special process, each photovoltaic cell is able to use this areas to intelligently allow and stop energy flow from and to the fibre conductor avoiding a shortcut chaos. Most importantly, each cell will re-route energy coming from the fibre to the magnetic north. This is the way by which instead of thousands of possible destinations, the flow of energy always finds its way to the magnetic North where the conductor will end and the electric current will be trapped by a special copper wire.

The above is from their press release.


So if the flow of energy always flows north, how does it work on a vertical north facing window? All the power is flowing to the face of the panel that you can't access.

My head hurst from the amount of stupid on their page
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: bitwelder on July 03, 2015, 03:53:53 pm
The "inventor" seems to fart a few more websites (or at least register them) every year.
Courtesy of whoisology.com, his email is currently referred by these registered websites:
luccepress.com, bricksave.com, nuevasobras.com, cervigni.net, clickbricks.org, clickbricks.info, clickbricks.us
About a year ago it listed 13 domains, mostly variations of clickbricks and southram.org/.info/.biz and 2 years ago a few more surely brilliant ideas (most of URLs returns now empty page).
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: Macbeth on July 03, 2015, 05:32:48 pm
That meter he's 'measuring the road' with, is almost certainly one of these pieces of crap.
I seem to recall that costing me a whole $7, in a shop in Sydney. Good to know those guys are sparing no expense to get an _accurate_ measurement of the road.

Yup! And the leads are in the wrong jacks and it's turned off!  :-DD

(http://res.cloudinary.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,f_auto,w_620/v1435605112/iexr0dm1rq9cklwnhe00.jpg)

Why, i'm pretty sure that meter isn't even CAT I rated  :wtf:

Surely that would be essential when meowtering parts of the carriageway  ;)
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: Macbeth on July 03, 2015, 05:40:08 pm
His Hi-Vis vest is on backwards as well.

That's because it's actually a Hi-Vis bib (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bib_(garment))
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: DaveG on July 03, 2015, 06:32:03 pm
His Hi-Vis vest is on backwards as well.

That's because it's actually a Hi-Vis bib (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bib_(garment))

A "bib"? <checks google, amazon> oh, you're right, but it's still on arse-wards!
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: amyk on July 03, 2015, 11:46:19 pm
Now all of the silly photos have been removed from the indiegogo campaign.

They are indeed gone!
Lucky I kept the one with the multimeter
The one linked above appears to still be on IGG's servers and link is valid, but who knows how long it'll stay valid...

I've attached a copy here for future reference and hilarity.

Oddly enough I remember an ad (Australian too) for solar panel installation showing someone poking randomly at a solar panel with multimeter probes and the meter was, like this one, also turned off. It might've been posted here before, or another EE site.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: TerraHertz on July 04, 2015, 09:01:39 pm
Here's another candidate for the bullshit register, or ridicule ranks.
  http://www.keshefoundation.org/broadcast/ (http://www.keshefoundation.org/broadcast/)

Disclaimer: I couldn't bear to watch even the first video, but merely skimmed bits. There are some not bad comedy highlights, like the guy who duplicated Tesla's bifilar wound coil, but with plastic tubing. Plus some classic whiteboard gibberish.

But overall, I give it a thumbs down on the grounds of being boring. Nutty free energy scams are only fun if they are funny, or there's a pretty girl involved. None of those here either.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: EEVblog on July 04, 2015, 09:37:10 pm
This is a great idea. There could be a plug-in for Chrome/Firefox that checks the site and automatically pastes a big "SCAM" warning logo over dodgy projects. Like they have lists of sites serving malware that the browser warns you about.

I already get this, kinda.
A friend of mine has an awesome browser plugin called rbutr pops up with rebuttals to web pages.
http://rbutr.com/ (http://rbutr.com/)
I've now added this, so anyone with the plugin will get a popup and see this thread
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: edy on July 05, 2015, 12:11:40 am
I was thinking it would work like this... We would get a main site called www.crowdscammers.com (http://www.crowdscammers.com). It would share same servers as www.indienono.com (http://www.indienono.com) and www.kickscammer.com (http://www.kickscammer.com).

If you find a campaign you want to begin a public comment page on, you would go to any of these sites and paste the URL in a "submit" box and if it is new it will create the same page URL on our site, maybe grab a screen shot of the original page and link to the original campaign. And then create a commenting area below for everyone to start posting and talking.

If the campaign already exists in our site, the user would jump you to the existing comment page. So users submit URL in question, site automatically figures out whether it belongs on indienono or kickscammer, makes the appropriate landing page with screen shots and commenting section.

Hey we could even crowd-fund this Web site on those very same sites!!! :-)
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: Jay_Diddy_B on July 05, 2015, 01:39:55 am
Hi,

A little searching of the phone number listed here:

http://solarlayer.com/ (http://solarlayer.com/)

reveals:

http://192.169.231.237/~lucce/ (http://192.169.231.237/~lucce/)

A search of the address 124 Baker St.

reveals that 1286 companies are registered at this address:

http://www.endole.co.uk/explorer/postcode/w1u-6ty (http://www.endole.co.uk/explorer/postcode/w1u-6ty)

including:

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/more-solar-roadway-like-nonsense/?action=dlattach;attach=159716;image)

This is interesting reading:

http://www.endole.co.uk/company/09300332/lucce-and-partners-ltd (http://www.endole.co.uk/company/09300332/lucce-and-partners-ltd)


Mr Lucas Sergio Cervigni is a 33 year Argentinian.

He is also listed as being associated with a bunch of other companies:

http://www.endole.co.uk/profile/932382/lucas-sergio-cervigni (http://www.endole.co.uk/profile/932382/lucas-sergio-cervigni)


You can make your own mind up about this individual....


Jay_Diddy_B

Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: miguelvp on July 05, 2015, 02:05:24 am
Seems the solarlayer facebook has been removed. Too bad since Stephen Hawking was following it.
 :-DD
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: LabSpokane on July 05, 2015, 05:20:15 am
A search of the address 124 Baker St.

reveals that 1286 companies are registered at this address:

In the U.S., we have registered agents that are the primary address for a corporation. Essentially they function as a blind Post Office box that forwards on mail to company's actual location. They are used by many small companies that operate out of a home address.  There also is no shortage of scam artists using this system as well (including publicly traded ones).

 It's always a red flag.

I'm assuming that there is a similar system in the UK.

What would be interesting would be a background check in Argentina on these in-duh-viduals. A lot of these characters change countries for a reason.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: TerraHertz on July 07, 2015, 09:57:50 pm
Now this is how to do a kickstarter based on nothing but imagination and story telling. There are even 'lab notes' (they say) and yet, it's totally legitimate and worthy. Because they are up front about it being a fiction. And people will pay for fiction, but not for lies. Really quite cool.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jkapalka/the-mysterious-package-company-presents-the-centur (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jkapalka/the-mysterious-package-company-presents-the-centur)

1,072 backers
$350,308  CAD  pledged of $20,000 goal
26 hours to go

Ha ha ha, I hope Mr Measures the Road has a heart attack and dies.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: ataradov on July 08, 2015, 10:47:06 am
This is actually what Kickstarter was made for. I don't see anything wrong with the project.

This is basically the same thing as Loot Crate and other "box with unknown crap" mailing services, but at least here you get something cool, not Chinese factory rejects.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: tom66 on July 08, 2015, 08:51:00 pm
I think we should take thanks that he's only got $240. Look how much guys like Solar Roadways walked away with. Although, they did have had an actual product, however impractical it was.
Title: Re: More solar roadway like nonsense
Post by: EEVblog on July 08, 2015, 10:34:40 pm
I think we should take thanks that he's only got $240. Look how much guys like Solar Roadways walked away with.

I was tempted to do a video on this, but I don't think they are worth the oxygen, better to just let them wither and die.