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Title: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: tom66 on May 05, 2013, 12:01:25 am
Like this radiation blocking laptop case.  :-DD
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/safesleeve-the-all-in-one-radiation-blocking-laptop-case (http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/safesleeve-the-all-in-one-radiation-blocking-laptop-case)

It's got $9k already. Wow.
Title: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: Dr.Fiero on May 05, 2013, 12:21:53 am
4 people already took a distributor pack @ $900!
I'm pretty sure if you get 2 of those it also comes with a set of tinfoil hats too.  :p

Title: Re: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: TimNJ on May 05, 2013, 12:35:10 am
I don't understand. If this sleeve blocks EMR, then wouldn't the laptop's wireless systems be compromised as well?
Title: Re: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: nuhamind2 on May 05, 2013, 02:04:37 am
The campaign hasn't finished but someone already bought 2 for their grandchidlren :-//
Title: Re: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: kfitch42 on May 05, 2013, 04:59:59 am
Referencing unidentified research it says:
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Recent research suggests that any EMF exposure above 3 milliGauss may be linked to diseases such as:...

Hmm, quick sanity check: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauss_(unit) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauss_(unit))
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0.31–0.58 gauss – the Earth's magnetic field at its surface

ZOMG!!!!! The Earth causes cancer!!  :-DD
Title: Re: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: kfitch42 on May 05, 2013, 05:12:13 am
I don't understand. If this sleeve blocks EMR, then wouldn't the laptop's wireless systems be compromised as well?

Silly, you misunderstood the purpose of the product. It is not about a well reasoned attempt to make the world better through the application of well understood principles at the nexus of medicine/biology/physics/engineering.

It is about FEARMONGERING in a friendly, clean, and fashionable package.
Title: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: Dr.Fiero on May 05, 2013, 05:52:12 am
It is about FEARMONGERING in a friendly, clean, and fashionable package.

You forgot profitable. ;)
Title: Re: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: c4757p on May 05, 2013, 05:58:33 am
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"Using a laptop on your lap is paradoxically not a safe way to use it"
- Dr. Joseph Mercola

Anyone want to start an Indiegogo fund to pay this guy never to use the word "paradoxically" again? I've got $500 - who's with me?
Title: Re: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: Jon86 on May 05, 2013, 06:25:45 am
Oh this is hilarious  :-DD
I mean, it would make a little tiny bit of sense if these people actually knew a little bit of physics, but... Oh god.
Title: Re: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: MacAttak on May 05, 2013, 06:28:27 am
On the positive side of things, I think they have a really good chance of delivering their product on time. I mean, it's just a leather laptop sleeve.
Title: Re: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: TimNJ on May 05, 2013, 06:55:22 am
Okay but presume that this thing "actually worked" though its intentions I'm still not sure of, wouldn't a so called radiation blocker limit the laptops wireless capabilities?

What would they even put in there? A sheet of lead?
Title: Re: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: grumpydoc on May 05, 2013, 07:06:14 am
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What would they even put in there? A sheet of lead?

No - they specifically say it's not lead

Mu metal perhaps

The screen seems to be intended to go under the laptop - presumably the dangerous radiation only goes down  :-DD
Title: Re: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: c4757p on May 05, 2013, 07:17:54 am
Okay but presume that this thing "actually worked" though its intentions I'm still not sure of, wouldn't a so called radiation blocker limit the laptops wireless capabilities?

Yes, as well as your view of the display...
Title: Re: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: Keef Wivanef on May 05, 2013, 08:25:49 am
Goodness gracious....great BALLS of fire  :-DD
Title: Re: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: TimNJ on May 05, 2013, 08:28:07 am
Okay but presume that this thing "actually worked" though its intentions I'm still not sure of, wouldn't a so called radiation blocker limit the laptops wireless capabilities?

Yes, as well as your view of the display...

Why display?
Title: Re: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: Keef Wivanef on May 05, 2013, 08:35:01 am
Duh!  :-DD
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: tom66 on May 05, 2013, 09:18:22 am
If they truly want to shield the laptop, they must also shield the LCD. In fact, as far as EMI goes, that is one of the largest sources of it. Ever thought about the pixel clock of a modern LCD? 1280 cols x 800 rows x 3 subpixels x 60 frames/sec = 184 MHz. Each data driver (at the top or bottom of the LCD) has to handle that and there are 3,840 of them.
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: EEVblog on May 05, 2013, 09:22:17 am
If they truly want to shield the laptop, they must also shield the LCD. In fact, as far as EMI goes, that is one of the largest sources of it.

Yeah, but then you wouldn't be able to flog a product that "worked"  :palm:
So best not to mention pesky details like that!
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: EEVblog on May 05, 2013, 09:33:14 am
Classic snake oil product that takes a few basic scientific ideas, a few measurements, and extrapolates a supposed needed solution.  :palm:
Throw in the obligatory fear mongering, happy photo of the family, and some quotes from dodgy doctors http://www.emfandhealth.com/Samuel%20Milham.html (http://www.emfandhealth.com/Samuel%20Milham.html)
And it's a perfectly executed useless product campaign, well done!
I won't use the word scam, because:
a) these people usually really do passionately believe this stuff
b) I think they'll actually deliver a reasonable quality product, and intend to.
c) The measurements are likely real (but they don't actually show what they claim of course, but minor detail  :palm:)

So this one wins the classic snake oil award of the week  :-+
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: Keef Wivanef on May 05, 2013, 10:05:24 am
I've got my al-foil hat on!
http://www.eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php (http://www.eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php)
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: codeboy2k on May 05, 2013, 02:06:14 pm
I haven't fathered any children yet :) I  think I'll wrap "the boys" in al-foil when I use the laptop. I mean, radiation only goes down, right?  ::)
Title: Re: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: c4757p on May 05, 2013, 02:30:06 pm
Okay but presume that this thing "actually worked" though its intentions I'm still not sure of, wouldn't a so called radiation blocker limit the laptops wireless capabilities?

Yes, as well as your view of the display...

Why display?

Because light is EM radiation.
Title: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: Dr.Fiero on May 05, 2013, 03:41:36 pm
Mu metal perhaps

As long as its not Mu thermal....  Oops, wrong scam!

:D

Title: Re: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: TimNJ on May 05, 2013, 11:53:25 pm
Okay but presume that this thing "actually worked" though its intentions I'm still not sure of, wouldn't a so called radiation blocker limit the laptops wireless capabilities?

Yes, as well as your view of the display...

Why display?

Because light is EM radiation.

Oh derppp.  |O

Very dangerous EMR!!!
Title: Re: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: c4757p on May 05, 2013, 11:56:53 pm
Because light is EM radiation.

Oh derppp.  |O

Very dangerous EMR!!!

Hey, I've got an EM burn all over my arms and face! That visible radiation is hazardous.  ;)
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: SeanB on May 05, 2013, 11:58:15 pm
Radiation shield in the bottom = steel sheet.
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: TimNJ on May 06, 2013, 10:06:38 am
Nice and lightweight...
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: killernat on May 06, 2013, 03:01:00 pm
The only "benefit" would be reducing the heat your balls get. that was a big deal a while ago right ? heat from your laptop killing sperm but yeh this thing goes right along with sticking a box full of caps to the mains to "save money from wasted power" :bullshit:
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: Dongulus on May 06, 2013, 03:27:37 pm
Well, shit... these guys went to the same university that I just graduated from. I checked, and thankfully they aren't EE's.

I'm baffled as to why they plan to offer a N0N-RADIATION BLOCKING version of a product designed with the intent of blocking radiation.
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: adept on May 06, 2013, 03:58:21 pm
considering it only costs as much as many normal laptop cases and its also reasonably high quality, not to mention aesthetically appealing, I think I understand why people bought them. now the emf stuff is definitely whack and it really won't make a difference whether there is shielding or not in the case, but now that I think of it, having a nice solid piece of metal protecting my laptop actually doesn't seem like that bad of an idea. :) What do you guys think?
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: Zapro on May 06, 2013, 04:24:13 pm
I really like that all their advertising material is showing their product with Unibody Macbook Pro's. - Guys, the case is all aluminum, and the only place it radiates is trough the front of the top case with LCD panel and Wifi antennae...

These guys know nothing about EMF...
Sigh...

// Per.
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: taemun on May 06, 2013, 05:40:39 pm
(Ever so) slightly off-topic, but I got a whole barrel of crazy right here:
iPad vrs. Kindle - EARTHING Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLOx1kWCWoc#ws)

I now only accept health related advice from people who affect a middle name of "Avocado".

For extra credit, just consider the balls it must take to simultaneously sell people "Earthing" gear, to remove the nasty voltages, and also gear which intentionally shocks people to make them live longer:
http://www.longevitywarehouse.com/LongevityZapper2-3-p/longevityzapper2.3.htm (http://www.longevitywarehouse.com/LongevityZapper2-3-p/longevityzapper2.3.htm)

Quote from: Crazy ass website
Because the electro-magnetic field of the Earth is so big, when we are connected to the Earth's negatively-charged electricity via grounding, it gradually pushes into us and pushes off of us any other electrical fields, including the Longevity Zapper's field. Therefore, zapping while grounded or using grounding technology is in no way harmful, but will not give you the effects you desire because the Longevity Zapper's electrical output will be neutralized by the Earth itself.
No wai?! Grounding and zapping at the same time doesn't work!?
Title: Re: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: TriodeTiger on May 06, 2013, 06:13:23 pm
ZOMG!!!!! The Earth causes cancer!!  :-DD

I thought this too, when looking up basic things when I was curious a year ago. It turns out, it is because of its alternating qualities that causes it to be (possibly) harmful to processes unknown in our bodies.

Electric radiation (volts per square metre) can be blocked by copper, or, er, tin foil, but magnetic (it's electromagnetic after all, right?) cannot.

There are highly permeable materials out there, one was mentioned Mu-Metal, much higher is Metglas whatever that is. From what I recall, the pricing of the sheets of MuMetal (which have to apparently be re-fired or something when they're molded to the desired shape) is not too far-fetched for $70 they're asking. It seems ferrites lay two orders of magnitude smaller in permeability. Not sure what they'd do to fields, or if they are good enough.

I remember joking about making a faraday-cage for both fields once, seemed a little pricy.

Also, I guess wifi is safe as it does not penetrate very far ... so as long as the case is insulative, or , brings your underparts far away from the laptop to prevent direct heat transfer - you'll do okay for wifi or .. heat. Maybe that's the secret?

Tiger.
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: RCMR on May 06, 2013, 06:26:31 pm
Hmmmm... maybe if it had the words "nanotech"  or "graphene" in there somewhere it'd be worth buying  :-DD :-DD :-DD
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: Sionyn on May 06, 2013, 06:39:41 pm
this is like the dirty electricity topic on eevblog forum
Smart Meters, Dirty Electricity and Disease (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci5GGqEPecE#ws)

unfortunately this fad seems to of hit the news also
Dirty Electricity - Part 1 - Rays of Rash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CVLa_tRslY#)
Dirty Electricity - Part 2 - Dirty Energy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A55081TOlbQ#)
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: elgonzo on May 06, 2013, 07:17:34 pm
Dirty electricity? You mean... like, as dirty as it can be between male jacks and female receptacles?
Oh... we talk about real electricity here. For a moment i thought... erm... dirty...
(See, this stuff really is dangerous -- to my moral health, at least.)
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: joblessalex on May 06, 2013, 07:30:32 pm
(Ever so) slightly off-topic, but I got a whole barrel of crazy right here:
iPad vrs. Kindle - EARTHING Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLOx1kWCWoc#ws)

I now only accept health related advice from people who affect a middle name of "Avocado".

For extra credit, just consider the balls it must take to simultaneously sell people "Earthing" gear, to remove the nasty voltages, and also gear which intentionally shocks people to make them live longer:
http://www.longevitywarehouse.com/LongevityZapper2-3-p/longevityzapper2.3.htm (http://www.longevitywarehouse.com/LongevityZapper2-3-p/longevityzapper2.3.htm)

Quote from: Crazy ass website
Because the electro-magnetic field of the Earth is so big, when we are connected to the Earth's negatively-charged electricity via grounding, it gradually pushes into us and pushes off of us any other electrical fields, including the Longevity Zapper's field. Therefore, zapping while grounded or using grounding technology is in no way harmful, but will not give you the effects you desire because the Longevity Zapper's electrical output will be neutralized by the Earth itself.
No wai?! Grounding and zapping at the same time doesn't work!?
My forehead is bright red, and I think there is a dent in my scull.  :palm:  |O That was the funniest thing I've seen in a while, especially when he grounded the scope probe and when he called the various switching frequencies "harmonics"!
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: elgonzo on May 06, 2013, 09:00:24 pm
(Ever so) slightly off-topic, but I got a whole barrel of crazy right here:
iPad vrs. Kindle - EARTHING Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLOx1kWCWoc#ws)

I now only accept health related advice from people who affect a middle name of "Avocado".

My forehead is bright red, and I think there is a dent in my scull.  :palm:  |O That was the funniest thing I've seen in a while, especially when he grounded the scope probe and when he called the various switching frequencies "harmonics"!

This guy is genuinely funny throughout. He made me laugh out so hard and long, it was better cardio training than any other physical exercise. Too sad he does not seem to realize that by presenting his sales pitch on a stage he could be making tons more money just by ticket sales alone...

And, yes. I, too, am an electrical creature before i am an chemical creature!  :-DD  :phew:

EDIT: I stand corrected. This guy actually tours internationally. Just not doing the kind of shows i would pay any attention to (nutrition advice shows). Maybe i should go watching one of his shows...
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: Sam__ on May 06, 2013, 09:07:32 pm
I think this is relevant.

http://xkcd.com/925/ (http://xkcd.com/925/)
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: elgonzo on May 06, 2013, 09:18:20 pm
I think this is relevant.

http://xkcd.com/925/ (http://xkcd.com/925/)

No, of course cell phones do not cause cancer. We all know that making love in autumn will cause cancer...
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: timonthegreat on May 06, 2013, 09:32:51 pm
I should strap some over my body and visit the chernobyl power plant see how well they "block" radiation   :scared:
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: Sionyn on May 06, 2013, 09:33:29 pm
i remember bbc getting on the elecromagetic sacre band wagon
Panorama - Wi-fi a warning signal part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuNaDj6VLHw#)

Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: tom66 on May 06, 2013, 10:03:19 pm
That episode... was just cringeworthy. I think the Beeb apologised over that one in the end. It was just so... wrong. In so many ways.
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: NurseBob on May 07, 2013, 12:14:10 am
this is like the dirty electricity topic on eevblog forum
Smart Meters, Dirty Electricity and Disease (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci5GGqEPecE#ws)


One of my Nurse coworkers is absolutely convinced that the smart meters are dangerous to her health due to the RF, and spends hours on her cellphone telling her patients about the risk... :-DD

NurseBob
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: c4757p on May 07, 2013, 12:22:47 am
How sad.
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: Sionyn on May 07, 2013, 01:16:10 am
iv posted this before its some guy who worked for FDA and busted myths about radio frequency radiation   

1. Is Radiation From Your Cell Phone a Health Hazard? Risk vs. Reality. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJcC7arI7HY#ws)
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: Sionyn on May 07, 2013, 01:20:52 am
this phobia over em radiation seems very prevalent more idiots scared of em radiation  |O

how long till they ban the sun ? that is kicking out EM radiation  :scared:  :scared:
 
http://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20130205/03222421885/canadian-schools-ban-wifi-based-bad-science.shtml (http://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20130205/03222421885/canadian-schools-ban-wifi-based-bad-science.shtml)
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: tom66 on May 07, 2013, 01:55:59 am
Mr Avocado does not understand class Y caps. The effect of seeing a potential to ground is quite common (on unearthed power supplies.)
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: BillGeo on May 07, 2013, 06:12:16 am
(Ever so) slightly off-topic, but I got a whole barrel of crazy right here:
iPad vrs. Kindle - EARTHING Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLOx1kWCWoc#ws)


I didn't know that hype!

"dirty electricity..."

Really???

"... the earths antioxidant electrical nutrition pushes of the negative dirty EMF..."

Seriously????
WTF!!!!

And scared clueless parents with small kids will be scared and coned out of their hard earned money by this...!?

I feel sad for the human race!
And it gets worse every day!

Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: Vernon on May 07, 2013, 06:26:04 am
Apparently it wasn't RF topics that they studied in school.  "Hey let's design and sell a waveguide pad that focuses microwave frequency emissions on our nuts!"
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: maiakaat on May 08, 2013, 05:08:46 am
Dirty electricity? You mean... like, as dirty as it can be between male jacks and female receptacles?
Oh... we talk about real electricity here. For a moment i thought... erm... dirty...
(See, this stuff really is dangerous -- to my moral health, at least.)

Careful, some software engineers have been sacked for saying something like that

http://techcrunch.com/2013/03/21/a-dongle-joke-that-spiraled-way-out-of-control/ (http://techcrunch.com/2013/03/21/a-dongle-joke-that-spiraled-way-out-of-control/)
Title: Re: SafeSleeve: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: elgonzo on May 08, 2013, 05:45:17 am
Dirty electricity? You mean... like, as dirty as it can be between male jacks and female receptacles?
Oh... we talk about real electricity here. For a moment i thought... erm... dirty...
(See, this stuff really is dangerous -- to my moral health, at least.)

Careful, some software engineers have been sacked for saying something like that

http://techcrunch.com/2013/03/21/a-dongle-joke-that-spiraled-way-out-of-control/ (http://techcrunch.com/2013/03/21/a-dongle-joke-that-spiraled-way-out-of-control/)

WTF? That went nuclear for no reason... Tell me this can happen only in the US. Please tell me...  :o
Title: Re: Stuff on IndieGoGo that manages funding...
Post by: free_electron on May 08, 2013, 06:07:15 am

ZOMG!!!!! The Earth causes cancer!!  :-DD

aaaaaaah . living results in dying... inescapable !

medically speaking life is a serious condition to which 100% of patients eventually succumb ...