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Title: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on March 18, 2018, 06:27:10 pm
I don't have much to say about this thing other than they make some pretty outlandish claims and statements in relation to how much easier and less complex it is to use when compared to regular multimeters, that's a bold claim considering how they expect people to learn and remember some ridiculous colour sequence.

Their initial goal wasn't all that much so the campaign was funded rather quickly, some credit due for that I suppose and they are at least responding to questions in the comments section, somebody specifically asked in relation to the meters certification or compliance but this has not been completed from what I understood.

"Using multimeters to measure items was always a struggle due to its complex nature and outdated system".


Vion Website.
https://www.vionmeter.io/ (https://www.vionmeter.io/)

Vion Kickstarter Page.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtASgGVZvgk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtASgGVZvgk)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkX6H4NAC70 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkX6H4NAC70)


I hereby reserve the right to relocate this thread elsewhere on the forum, more than likely to the Dodgy Technology section or thereabouts.   ::) :P
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: sleemanj on March 18, 2018, 06:48:30 pm
"so you don’t have to worry about the risks of damage due to wrong selections"

Shows after-effects visual of current shunt and fuse glowing red on a meter.... Vion does not have current modes, so, yes I guess they are right, you're going to have a hard time burning out a current shunt and fuse that doesn't exist.


Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on March 18, 2018, 07:03:34 pm
They wrote or mentioned somewhere in the marketing bullshit about people "having to make sense of the numbers" in regards to reading a conventional multimeter, it is these types of comments that will readily bring scrutiny and ridicule to a product such as this, they should know better.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: llkiwi2006 on March 18, 2018, 07:23:31 pm
Quote
For existing multimeters, if the placement of the probes is off by even a little, the multimeter’s internal circuit board (PCB) may be damaged. Vion, however, is easily manageable, as there is no body or internal circuit board.

 :palm: :palm: :palm:  Some of their claims might just be misleading, but this is straight up lying.

Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: TheAmmoniacal on March 18, 2018, 08:25:21 pm
"1.00O Hm" across that jumper wire  :-DD

EDIT: Look at the rest of the data displayed on the phone

Device: Galaxy S8
Voltage: 18.00V
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: TheAmmoniacal on March 18, 2018, 08:29:50 pm
Seems like the Vion only does |readings|  :-DD

This is a joke right? Parody?
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: EEVblog on March 18, 2018, 09:03:36 pm
USB charging port
Yeah, that's what you want, a multimeter that only works when two devices are charged (meter + phone)  ::)

(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/020/471/695/6d2eaa4c99f6da2d57d899772fdd8ba5_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1520402021&auto=format&q=92&s=c8af640bc43c8fcd784fb5bd0b46c170)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: TheAmmoniacal on March 18, 2018, 09:05:55 pm
And it does DC current measurements..  :palm:
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: PTR_1275 on March 18, 2018, 09:07:56 pm
So how can you tell which lead is the positive connection when doing dc measurements?

No internal circuit board, that’s interesting (I also have never broken my “fragile” multimeter pcb by proving a few mm in the wrong direction)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: TheAmmoniacal on March 18, 2018, 09:10:54 pm
So how can you tell which lead is the positive connection when doing dc measurements?

No internal circuit board, that’s interesting (I also have never broken my “fragile” multimeter pcb by proving a few mm in the wrong direction)

As far as I know, it's not possible. Presumably it will just give a positive value, hence the |reading| sign (absolute value).
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Twoflower on March 18, 2018, 09:24:36 pm
The first moment the thingy reminded me of the older Duspol devices, as they had also black housing. They're well build and extremely robust. I remember my dad had one analogue Duspol at work. Everyone called it Klapper for a reason. Nearly indestructable and safe to use. But this is just :palm:

And the second thing: It was founded after 18 hours. And counting...

Quote
And it does DC current measurements..  :palm:
No they don't, see the technical data on KS. Would be very interesting to see how they would deign a shunt through the springy cable which would be required for current measurements.

Edit: I was wrong. In the comment section they really think about to include DC current measurement... :palm:
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: EEVblog on March 18, 2018, 10:02:22 pm
They wrote or mentioned somewhere in the marketing bullshit about people "having to make sense of the numbers" in regards to reading a conventional multimeter, it is these types of comments that will readily bring scrutiny and ridicule to a product such as this, they should know better.

And their meter then goes and displays those numbers.
I don't see the point, it's trying to solve problems that either don't exist, or already have better solutions. e.g. AC detection stick.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: MadTux on March 19, 2018, 07:22:34 am
The first DMM that might make your wife/girlfried happy.  ;D
The probing pin must be removeable though.  The beeper is old  ;D,  how about some vibration feature for continuity?
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: igendel on March 19, 2018, 07:44:09 am
But pulling the Vion from your bag and having to bring the probes to contact with the things... then reading numbers... so much work... makes me tired just thinking about it. Come on this is 2018, wake me up when Kickstarter has a contactless resistance meter that transmits the data directly to your brain(R).

[Edited: resistance, not current, slight mind malfunction due to Vion]
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: nidlaX on March 19, 2018, 03:15:11 pm
They definitely have the best Rccuracy I've ever seen in a meter.

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/vion-the-worlds-silliest-multimeter/?action=dlattach;attach=405050)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: ataradov on March 19, 2018, 03:20:04 pm
Rccuracy on Frequence is best in class.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Mr. Scram on March 19, 2018, 03:29:39 pm
USB charging port
Yeah, that's what you want, a multimeter that only works when two devices are charged (meter + phone)  ::)

(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/020/471/695/6d2eaa4c99f6da2d57d899772fdd8ba5_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1520402021&auto=format&q=92&s=c8af640bc43c8fcd784fb5bd0b46c170)
A long history of me using phone or tablet attachable devices has taught me that it's always more of a hassle than I'd like. I'll take a regular multimeter every time, unless something like logging is involved. Even then it's still a hassle.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: nidlaX on March 19, 2018, 03:31:01 pm
Rccuracy on Frequence is best in class.
Don't forget its operating temperature range is between -10 to 50 of any units of your choice!
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Bassman59 on March 19, 2018, 04:16:22 pm
Rccuracy on Frequence is best in class.
Don't forget its operating temperature range is between -10 to 50 of any units of your choice!

Since it has no º symbol, I can only assume the units are Kelvin!
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: imidis on March 19, 2018, 04:20:50 pm
I dunno, reading the multimeter numbers is so complicated! How is one supposed to know what 12.00 DC means? Reading the continuity buzzer is darn near impossible! Why use a bulky multimeter when you can use your $600+ phone to read the app.  :palm:
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Mr. Scram on March 19, 2018, 04:59:55 pm
I dunno, reading the multimeter numbers is so complicated! How is one supposed to know what 12.00 DC means? Reading the continuity buzzer is darn near impossible! Why use a bulky multimeter when you can use your $600+ phone to read the app.  :palm:
To be fair, I can't call with my $600 multimeter.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Urs42 on March 19, 2018, 10:54:58 pm
To be fair, I can't call with my $600 multimeter.

And your multimeter dosn't measure emductors, i guess proofreading was too expensive for them.

Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on March 20, 2018, 09:05:26 pm
This is hilarious, it appears that some Youtube gadget marketing channel has been reading this forum and have hijacked my thread title, they have then included my text as part of the Youtube video title, it must be some type of new elaborate marketing strategy or something.   :o ::) :P

As seen on EEVblog.      :-DD

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/vion-the-worlds-silliest-multimeter/?action=dlattach;attach=405367;image)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KILPxe4gSM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KILPxe4gSM)

Edit: The video originally referred to has been replaced or renamed with the one above.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: rsjsouza on March 20, 2018, 09:27:47 pm
Duh... I made simplest meters when I was a kid using a few resistors and a galvanometer:

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/vion-the-worlds-silliest-multimeter/?action=dlattach;attach=405370;image)

If you can't make sense of numbers, simply remove the scale on the background.

Look ma! No batteries needed!

(Image credit (http://www.novatech-usa.com/Products/Electricity-Educational/MGV003.html))
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Cyberdragon on March 21, 2018, 10:40:37 am
And it does DC current measurements..  :palm:

Is it fused then? And how much current? What gauge is that connecting wire, or is it multi-core?

That charging port better be isolated too. Otherwise it could blow up something if plugged in or arc a voltage to your hand.

An app? So this is an invitation for IOT wank loving hipsters to mess with electricity and kill themselves? :palm: on second thought...Darwin would be proud! >:D
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: SiliconWizard on March 22, 2018, 04:54:28 am
But...

Why, oh why?  |O
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Twoflower on March 22, 2018, 06:42:55 am
Bah, not even data storage in the cloud, sharing on SocialMedia, not BlockChain protected. So utterly useless  :-DD

How many of you has now a completed BS-Bingo card  ;)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Gregg on March 22, 2018, 10:00:22 am
But...

Why, oh why?  |O
Obviously the Batterizer has been beaten to death so we need entertainment to keep us out of trouble :-+ :-DD
Even expensive multimeters aren't smart enough to tell if something is good v.s. bad like the "smart" Vion can.  Plus the Vion even makes up new units to measure and makes up new words for their lofty specifications.  This device is perfect for the dumbing down trend.
I'd be willing to donate a few $ to help send one or more for Joe to test properly and maybe one to Big Clive  :-DD :popcorn: 
I am especially in awe of the woman holding the probes with their long uninsulated sections into the lamp socket; maybe this super smart device can tell the circuit is OK even when the power is off. 
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: EEVblog on March 22, 2018, 10:27:42 am
This is hilarious, it appears that some Youtube gadget marketing channel has been reading this forum and have hijacked my thread title, they have then included my text as part of the Youtube video title, it must be some type of new elaborate marketing strategy or something.   :o ::) :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHp4_rrTiYY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHp4_rrTiYY)

:palm:
Oh dear, this is Batteriser level promo marketing.
Next up expect "Aussie Man" and the Twins!

His entire channel is just doing script based marketing:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1oKNIfJihjFMZo3eGMEumQ/videos (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1oKNIfJihjFMZo3eGMEumQ/videos)

Airing!
(https://i.imgur.com/9EiLg3i.jpg)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on March 22, 2018, 11:46:46 am
I'd be willing to donate a few $ to help send one or more for Joe to test properly and maybe one to Big Clive  :-

As the instigator of this thread I would also be willing to kick in some money should somebody want to rip one apart and have a sticky beak. I'm interested in why they would have chosen stainless steel probe tips and the included 2mm replacement fuse also boggles the mind.   :o ::)

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/vion-the-worlds-silliest-multimeter/?action=dlattach;attach=405780;image)

Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Barny on March 22, 2018, 05:28:52 pm
This is hilarious, it appears that some Youtube gadget marketing channel has been reading this forum and have hijacked my thread title, they have then included my text as part of the Youtube video title, it must be some type of new elaborate marketing strategy or something.   :o ::) :P

As seen on EEVblog.      :-DD

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/vion-the-worlds-silliest-multimeter/?action=dlattach;attach=405367;image)
At the first seconds I thought a finnish guy starts to say something like: "This is Multimeter Man. He is extremely dangerous and will attack at any moment. So we have to deal with it."
A humming sound starts and a piston is comeing from the top.  :-DD


This multimeter thing reminds me in my old, yellow Ca0 Voltcraft Pen-DMM.
It got 100mA current measure capability (standard glass fuse) and could measure up to 230V AC if you were brave (or dumb) enough.
It was fast at autoranging and had a cable with crocodile clip hanging out of its ar...
Even its dangerous as hell, my old pen-DMM with its 3coin cells is more capable as this multimeter toy and has a longer runtime.
(except the phone is hanging on a wall wart 24/7)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: GeekGirl on March 22, 2018, 08:44:15 pm
Hmmmm, I think my http://www.kewtechcorp.com/products/electrical-testing/kt1780 (http://www.kewtechcorp.com/products/electrical-testing/kt1780) Two pole led voltage tester does more than this with a longer run time ;) Not only does it show DC and AC voltage ( Agreed in steps of 12, 24, 50, 120, 230, 400, 690) but it also does continuity with a reasonably fast beeper (fast enough for belling out PLC circuits) and it shows Phase rotation :). (I was looking at upgrading to a fluke one with LCD but for a quick and dirty is their voltage present on that conductor it works very well :)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: ultranalog on March 23, 2018, 09:46:27 am
What an innovative idea, LEDs to use for indications on a multimeter.

Maybe an even better idea would be a display of sorts, maybe using liquid crystals.
Nah never mind, that'll never take off...
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Neomys Sapiens on March 23, 2018, 12:03:28 pm
And it does DC current measurements..  :palm:

Is it fused then? And how much current? What gauge is that connecting wire, or is it multi-core?

That charging port better be isolated too. Otherwise it could blow up something if plugged in or arc a voltage to your hand.

An app? So this is an invitation for IOT wank loving hipsters to mess with electricity and kill themselves? :palm: on second thought...Darwin would be proud! >:D

Shhhh! A few of them less would be nice!
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on March 23, 2018, 12:35:18 pm
They have now added a bonus feature.   :palm:

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/vion-the-worlds-silliest-multimeter/?action=dlattach;attach=406047;image)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: EEVblog on March 23, 2018, 12:36:13 pm
Check out the almost cringe worth of some mechanical engineers from the institute of mechanical engineers talking about how much they like it.

https://ksr-video.imgix.net/assets/020/490/600/eb5c691640d2325c6870efcb3151bb3f_h264_high.mp4
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: EEVblog on March 23, 2018, 12:37:25 pm
They have now added a bonus feature.   :palm:

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/vion-the-worlds-silliest-multimeter/?action=dlattach;attach=406047;image)

 :-DD
Do I even have to point out:
a) how does it know it's a light bulb? You'd have to pass significant current through it to get it to heat up and change the resistance, and then your contact resistance is going to suck.
b) If the bulb is blown it can't tell it's a bulb because it can't measure anything
c) How does it know what type, rating and size of bulb it is?
d) Who the hell uses light bulbs any more? Ovens and fridges are about it.

This is so monumentally stupid  :palm:
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: EEVblog on March 23, 2018, 12:50:10 pm
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/020/521/384/2dabc63a926e1b98a92e960863317c74_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1520827281&auto=format&q=92&s=126f23bc37efe81724f0ba2644959aeb)

What is the "sensitivity" of the instrument? I presume it means range.

And what is an "Emductor"?  :-//  :palm:

And HRD+ and HRD- ?  ???

Power Out?
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: xrunner on March 23, 2018, 12:57:21 pm
I would hate getting a phone call right in the middle of my measurement.  :-DD
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: free_electron on March 24, 2018, 05:21:27 am
i am going to buy one. i want to measure inside the tv's remote control battery compartment like they do. who knows . i may find a way to skip commercials (like these)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: SiliconWizard on March 25, 2018, 05:53:00 am
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/020/521/384/2dabc63a926e1b98a92e960863317c74_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1520827281&auto=format&q=92&s=126f23bc37efe81724f0ba2644959aeb)

What is the "sensitivity" of the instrument? I presume it means range.

And what is an "Emductor"?  :-//  :palm:

And HRD+ and HRD- ?  ???

Power Out?

Who cares? It "will make you an expert on electrical devices"!  :-DD
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: SL4P on March 25, 2018, 06:11:51 pm
I’m guessing that 1.61V reading is taken on the 1.62V range...?
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: andreimaxim on March 26, 2018, 06:14:59 am
What is the "sensitivity" of the instrument? I presume it means range.

And what is an "Emductor"?  :-//  :palm:

And HRD+ and HRD- ?  ???

Power Out?

Based on the screenshot, I'd say that they are going for "High Definition Range" (in the photo it's actually HDR+ and HDR-).
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Cyberdragon on March 26, 2018, 11:11:58 am
112V 50Hz? What country is that? :o

Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: ataradov on March 26, 2018, 11:16:23 am
At least Jamaica according to some random list on the internet. That would also explain this whole creation, this year crop of weed is too damn strong.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Cyberdragon on March 26, 2018, 11:19:49 am
At least Jamaica according to some random list on the internet. That would also explain this whole creation, this year crop of weed is too damn strong.

 :-DD

I wonder if will explode on 420V...
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on March 26, 2018, 12:25:47 pm
They have a product brochure available for download from the site linked below but a bit big to post here so I've saved it in picture form. Also, I don't recognise the wall plate so what the hell is the lady on the left dicking around with ?, a power point perhaps ?, no it couldn't be surely.   :o ::)

Vion.
http://www.twoelec.com/ (http://www.twoelec.com/)

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/vion-the-worlds-silliest-multimeter/?action=dlattach;attach=406862;image)

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/vion-the-worlds-silliest-multimeter/?action=dlattach;attach=406864;image)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: xrunner on March 26, 2018, 12:49:39 pm
Also, I don't recognise the wall plate so what the hell is the lady on the left dicking around with ?, a power point perhaps ?, no it couldn't be surely.   :o ::)

I saved the image and zoomed in with a graphics program. I dunno what that connection block is she's smiling so much over. She looks like she really wants to touch something in there with her finger.

If the graphic is all about that meter then she should be using the damn meter instead of a screwdriver LOL.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: igendel on March 26, 2018, 07:54:23 pm
I saved the image and zoomed in with a graphics program. I dunno what that connection block is she's smiling so much over. She looks like she really wants to touch something in there with her finger.

A bit of sidetracking, but talking about that picture... are fingernails isolating? Can one get zapped from wall power through a long fingernail*?

* Don't try this at... anywhere :-)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: SiliconWizard on March 27, 2018, 02:26:21 am
I saved the image and zoomed in with a graphics program. I dunno what that connection block is she's smiling so much over. She looks like she really wants to touch something in there with her finger.

A bit of sidetracking, but talking about that picture... are fingernails isolating? Can one get zapped from wall power through a long fingernail*?

Fingernails have pretty high impedance if not soaked in water. But they are also thin and directly on the skin, which means than the isolation distance is probably too small to be safe for dealing with mains safely, depending on what part of the nail is touching. Also, I guess that some nail polish/paint may be slightly conductive.

That said, the pictures are most likely from public picture collections.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: schmitt trigger on March 27, 2018, 02:47:23 am
Your Fluke can't do Facebook or Instagram.

With Vion you can boast to your friends that you are actually measuring a voltage above -gulp- 12 volts and lived to tell the story.
This is a killer app! (pun intended).  >:D


Now, seriously........
I believe this Vion thing will sell to the social media crowd, and the developer will be laughing all the way to the bank.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Cyberdragon on March 27, 2018, 02:58:06 am
What if it's actually a sinister plot to kill off hipsters... >:D
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: SiliconWizard on April 02, 2018, 06:24:10 am
Well, noticed another funny thing. Their strange approach of color code.

(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/020/468/070/f19160b01d55c24774d8d8d2f0b003be_original.gif?w=680&fit=max&v=1520375712&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=58ae9eec5d460d653cbad0845e9aaa70)

Green as an indication of "broken objects"? Really?  :-DD
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: PTR_1275 on April 02, 2018, 11:57:11 am
And as mentioned before, how can it tell between the leads not being connected to anything, or a blown light globe.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Kean on April 02, 2018, 08:59:26 pm
Well, noticed another funny thing. Their strange approach of color code.

(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/020/468/070/f19160b01d55c24774d8d8d2f0b003be_original.gif?w=680&fit=max&v=1520375712&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=58ae9eec5d460d653cbad0845e9aaa70)

Green as an indication of "broken objects"? Really?  :-DD

The way I read that chart I actually think the green indicator means a short circuit, so lack of green would be a blown globe.
But still this whole product is  :palm:
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Cyberdragon on April 04, 2018, 03:48:31 am
Indications of PLUGS and LAMP SOCKETS?! :-DD

First of all, what the hell does this mean? You'd have to remove the connector to test continuity of it. Unless they have an integrated switch that may have failed, testing continuity is pointless. :palm:

Second, we know that wankers that buy this will connect it with the power on. It will certainly explode then, no way this POS will survive mains on continuity. >:D

Also, the lights for AC and DC are stupid. I mean, no shit Sherlock! :palm: I bet if you put it on AC riding on DC, it would either crash, or just say AC. >:D :-DD

EDIT: The failure mode of connectors is usually corrosion/charring. While this may indicate that by lack of continuity if it's bad enough, if it's bad and has resistance but still conducts enough to trigger the indicator, it will seem "good". If you plug in a high current appliance...prepare for a lot of burning. >:D
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on April 04, 2018, 02:54:05 pm
One of their recent comments on the Kickstarter page states that they now have category three certification on the device as shown in the first image below. It also appears that the unit should display a green LED when continuity is detected between the probe tips as shown in the second image below which indicates that their own description on how the device operates is somewhat confused.   

I now have concerns in regards to how trustworthy their promotional material and videos are, if you look at the other two images below where the nine volt battery is tested the LED is blue then it turns red to indicate a DC voltage is present before the probes even make contact with the battery terminals. There is a gif image or short video on the Kickstarter page which clearly shows this miraculous detection technology, hardly a properly working prototype in my view.

 
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: rsjsouza on April 05, 2018, 03:24:06 am
Funny, is there such thing as CAT III 500V? I thought it was set in specific steps of 300, 600 and 1000V.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Cyberdragon on April 05, 2018, 03:24:13 am
Has no internal PCB?

Ah...so it's dead bug/point-to-point wired...I see. Poor shitty Chinese microprocessor... :-DD Of course is has a damn PCB, we've seen the blurry images, and you don't dead-bug products. :palm:

Ah yes...no mechanical switches...or certainty. Fully automatic Bluetooth iPhone IOT wank bullshit controlled multi-meter with only one input that could malfunction because you checked your Farcebark and decide to suddenly go into current or continuity mode when connected to MAINS! :palm: :-BROKE

CAT III my ass! Does it have HRC fuses and MOVs? What's the (apparently non-existant) PCB clearance?

EDIT: I think they mean it can read up to 500V, not that it would be safe anywhere near that. If they're lying about that CAT rating, they'll get their asses kicked!

EDIT2: "Feel free to ask questions" We will, all of the above. Although they appear to not know what they're rambling on about...so that may go nowhere (or they'll just lie or ignore them).
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: PA4TIM on April 15, 2018, 05:14:46 am
If this sells I'm going to develop the ultimate meter. 

- Take the TS100 body,
- reinforce the tips and make them in srewdriver shapes. So solder-iron and srewdriver. For the USA a special sodder version.
- use the display with beamer function  as multimeter, internetbrowser, youtube viewer.
- internal free-energy generator with hidden battery and use the power supply connector input  for a special testlead.

This lead will have
- groundclip and pure anti-allergene copper ESD wristband with crocodile lock for closing the loop, functions as negative probe, ESD  safety device, hanging the meter, anti-drop,  antenna for wireless far-field communications.
- The pure copper wristband doubles as hyperloop detector and communication magloop for industrial use.
- The reinforced testlead is made by Australian virgin spiders and is a multifunction test lead that rolls in the body. So it makes it possible to secure your self on ladders of for abseilen in case of fire (caused by this device)
- The device is HAM friendly, the test lead wil be 20 meter so it can double as antenna for wireless use in the 80 meter band.
- a special app that uses the build in X-ray and infrared webcam recognizes all electronic parts, reverse engineers every circuit in seconds and tells you what is wrong.
- The special Y-fony finger sensor monitors you body functions and phones 911 if you burn, stab or electrocute yourself with this device. (not available on the Japanese harikiri  version.)
- It has an ultrasone sensor, just dump it in a bucket of water and it will clean your tools. Also available in pink.....
- The free energy generator is based on nano-peltiers and doubles as beer cooler (the Canadian version wil have a bear cooler)

There will be a big kickstarter campaign.
For certain African regions we skip the campaign part and only add the kickstarter

There will be a special forces edition that doubles as a taser.

Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: taydin on April 15, 2018, 06:03:39 am
Well, it has more than 1700 backers and 13 times the the money set in their goal :) Goes to show that you can sell anything if you did the marketing part right. Ask the audiophools!
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: SiliconWizard on April 15, 2018, 09:24:24 am
Well, it has more than 1700 backers and 13 times the the money set in their goal :) Goes to show that you can sell anything if you did the marketing part right. Ask the audiophools!

Yes, this is incredible. Note that the initial goal was very low to release a product IMO, even this!

The parallel with the audiophools is interesting. In both cases, their targets are tech-inclined, but not tech-savvy people. In order words, people who usually think they know, but actually don't know much and thus are very easy to trap, because the products are flattering their egos.

Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: GerryBags on April 15, 2018, 07:55:35 pm
At last! A really selective device for separating the brain-dead (who have somehow figured out internet access) from their disability payments! This device creates a super-sharp cut-off (coded lilac on my iFridge) between people with any inkling whatsoever about how magnets work and those who don't.

Vion have very successfully gathered a database of investors who could be persuaded to buy almost anything at all. That has got to be valuable! I bet the UK MOD department that ordered those dodgy bomb detectors was an early sign-up on kockstarter.

Are we 100% sure this isn't a viral ad for The Onion?
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Kean on April 15, 2018, 08:19:16 pm
Wow, the creators replies to questions by backers are painful to read - they show the same total lack of comprehension as the product concept itself.
I'm going to back this for $1 just to watch the fun as it plays out  >:D
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: EEVblog on April 15, 2018, 09:50:11 pm
Well, noticed another funny thing. Their strange approach of color code.

(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/020/468/070/f19160b01d55c24774d8d8d2f0b003be_original.gif?w=680&fit=max&v=1520375712&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=58ae9eec5d460d653cbad0845e9aaa70)

Green as an indication of "broken objects"? Really?  :-DD

Unless you used it every day you'd quickly forget all those color modes anyway.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: xrunner on April 16, 2018, 01:34:17 am
How about (only) BLUE for BLUETOOTH

RED for Resistance

Amber for Ac

and so on.

Add other colors as appropriate ... I mean if that's the way they want to go with it ...  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Mr. Scram on April 16, 2018, 11:11:38 am
How about (only) BLUE for BLUETOOTH

RED for Resistance

Amber for Ac

and so on.

Add other colors as appropriate ... I mean if that's the way they want to go with it ...  :popcorn:
That doesn't seem to jive with an international market.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Distelzombie on April 16, 2018, 11:47:25 am
If it's true what they say then this is really great! Like technological-singularity-great!!
So, I just use this black plastic sticks to point at things and a body-less entity whispers measurements in my ear! Just think about it:
- "The multimeter has no PCB"
- "The multimeter has no body"
- It speaks measurements out loud
- It can magically tell what kind of socket you're testing or what that broken light-bulb is, then shows you the exact same on your smartphone app
- It can measure Emductor with high Rccuracy! Those things aren't even invented yet!!

AMAZING!! It is finally here! The technological singularity! Where we enslave higher dimensional beings to serve us as Multimeters.
Of course the color code thing is prone to mistakes: When I would be enslaved by lower dimensional beings to show them what they want, I too wouldn't care much about it, as long as they don't throw me away.

Everything makes sense when you think about it this way. Brrrrr... shiver up my spine!
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on April 16, 2018, 12:18:25 pm
Apparently it can not only distinguish the type and rating of a blown and open circuit incandescent light globe but it also incorporates the miraculous ability to direct the user to the most appropriate source for that particular bulb, I'm pretty sure our nearest Home Depot is in Honolulu.   :palm:
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on April 17, 2018, 09:48:19 pm
It seems they are now chucking in a luxury stretch goal case with the meter as can bee seen in the image below, it also appears that they are avoiding a question posed by one of the backers in relation to the off or idle state current consumption and accordingly the longevity of the meter.

I have saved the up to date comments in PDF format below where a couple of the backers are talking about quitting, I didn't know people could pull out of these things once they made a commitment to support a campaign.

Vion Comments.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter/comments (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter/comments)

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/vion-the-worlds-silliest-multimeter/?action=dlattach;attach=412756;image)


Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Distelzombie on April 17, 2018, 10:41:07 pm
"Vion" really sounds like a luxury brand to me anyway.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: PA4TIM on April 17, 2018, 11:12:53 pm
You could fit a normal DMM in that case, you know, the one with a PCB and display and no need for a smartphone app that only works until some update of the OS. The kind of meter that survives falling out your hands . Or like in the first kickstart movie where the meter drops but holds on to the test leads instead of dropping your smartphone because you need three hands.

About the colors. After you measured, remember the color, look at the phone and they show you the color too so you can not forget. Then open the helpfile and search for the meaning of the colors.
Red, the cases where you are chasing a RED haring or was it something with a wolf eating granny, a ferry tale, just like the meter
Blue, the cases where the problem comes out of the blue and into the black or the other way around ? or the Niel Young mode
Green, summit the green lantern if you need help. Or does it you are seasick ?
Yellow for dangerous situations under water..oh, wait that had to do with a submarine.
smoke, to detect a wifi-hotspot.

A watch that doubles as scope and/or dmm is much more fun. If I was good in programming I would do that with the watch TI made a few years ago. (i have one)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: xrunner on April 18, 2018, 05:13:24 am
About the colors. After you measured, remember the color, look at the phone and they show you the color too so you can not forget. Then open the helpfile and search for the meaning of the colors.
Red, the cases where you are chasing a RED haring or was it something with a wolf eating granny, a ferry tale, just like the meter
Blue, the cases where the problem comes out of the blue and into the black or the other way around ? or the Niel Young mode
Green, summit the green lantern if you need help. Or does it you are seasick ?
Yellow for dangerous situations under water..oh, wait that had to do with a submarine.
smoke, to detect a wifi-hotspot.

LOL  :-DD

Oh I just can't resist ...

Red, {R}emeber what just happened - the meter is telling you about an important event.
Blue, {B}acktrack your steps - something is overloading
Green, {G}et back quickly - a component is about to smoke.
Yellow, {Y}ou don't know what you are doing - both regarding your detected troublshooting steps, and your knowledge of buying quality DMMs.  :P
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: PA4TIM on April 18, 2018, 08:21:18 am
Yellow : you need a Fluke...the gadget shows you the dealer in Anthartica
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on April 18, 2018, 12:41:19 pm
They have now responded to some of the backers recent questions which in itself is commendable and according to their statement the device draws no current whatsoever in the idle or off state. Also confirmation that in its current configuration it cannot measure current, probably a good thing anyway, keep it simply stupid.


(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/vion-the-worlds-silliest-multimeter/?action=dlattach;attach=412937;image)

 
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: joeqsmith on April 18, 2018, 01:09:33 pm
I've never had a desire to own a cell phone and would have to invest in one just to play with it.   

I'm surprised how that electrician blackened his cheapo meter and yet the glass fuse is still in place.  And with all that black, there was not much of a bang to go along with it. 

Looks like you have to hold the probes.  I wonder what happens when a small transient is applied across the two tips..... Does there meter turn black as well? 
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Distelzombie on April 18, 2018, 02:11:26 pm
I've done similar with a cheap Multimeter. It was something along the current-chunt that burned. But that was a long time ago and very cheap. Fuse was still intact. The glas at least.

----
Seems like my theory of enslaved higher dimensional beings is getting closer and closer to being flat-out acknowledged by the manufacturer.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: edy on April 18, 2018, 02:14:42 pm
This device is a sure-fire way to end up getting some people hurt and circuits damaged. At the very least, it will confuse the already confused and probably make it harder to actually figure out what is going on. It's a good thing it doesn't check currents... I can see someone testing a high current source like a mains plug, car battery or light socket and blowing a fuse or themselves up!  :-DD

If you don't know how to use a basic multimeter or understand the safety and concepts related to electrical circuits, and how voltage, resistance and current are related, the last thing you need is a "multimeter for dummies" (or at least what appears to be marketed that way).

I see in the examples in the video people checking a remote control, car battery, mains light bulb socket, batteries... seems like very simple case uses which this device is overkill for. The logging/graphing part is interesting but you can do this with a cheap bluetooth-capable multimeter if you want to record data.

The basic concept is interesting but this marketing to "noobs" and all this color-coding auto-detect stuff and phone app guiding you through testing electronics seems all wishy-washy to me and really seems to be the last thing you want in the hands of people who need that stuff.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: SiliconWizard on April 19, 2018, 12:58:39 am
The basic concept is interesting but this marketing to "noobs" and all this color-coding auto-detect stuff and phone app guiding you through testing electronics seems all wishy-washy to me and really seems to be the last thing you want in the hands of people who need that stuff.

Well, one of their marketing mottos is that it "will make you an expert". It's hard to figure out how dumbing down a topic can make people experts on this particular topic. Obviously it's just a marketing gimmick, but the whole underlying concept is pretty twisted IMO.

Why would the world need this? People can buy reasonably safe (orders of magnitude safer than this), simple multimeters for like $30, and learn how to use them for basic stuff in a couple of hours. And actually be able to reuse this knowledge later on, in other situations, with other devices. When you're tied to dumbed-down tech, you don't learn anything. You're just tied.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Cyberdragon on April 19, 2018, 03:42:12 am
It's a good thing it doesn't check currents... I can see someone testing a high current source like a mains plug, car battery or light socket and blowing a fuse or themselves up!  :-DD

It's still dirt easy to blow up. Since there's pretty much guaranteed no protection in this POS, just put it across a high voltage source in continuity mode. >:D
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Orpheus on April 22, 2018, 04:32:28 am
The basic concept is interesting but this marketing to "noobs" and all this color-coding auto-detect stuff and phone app guiding you through testing electronics seems all wishy-washy to me and really seems to be the last thing you want in the hands of people who need that stuff.

Well, one of their marketing mottos is that it "will make you an expert". It's hard to figure out how dumbing down a topic can make people experts on this particular topic. Obviously it's just a marketing gimmick, but the whole underlying concept is pretty twisted IMO.

They are turning the Dunning Kruger effect. That dial with all those markings/choices? A unwanted reminder of everything you don't know. Absent such reminders (and even with them), ingorant people overestimate their knowledge (unable to imagine the things they don't know), while far more knowlegeable users underestimate their knowledge, relative to others  ("surely anyone who owns/uses a multimeter can see how all the principles/modes work together; it's all basically Ohm's Law plus a few other facts")

It's a pervasive problem in society/marketing and it's not getting any better.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on May 03, 2018, 05:40:58 pm
Here is the current news to date on this silly gadget, this Twoelec/ Allectrics/ Vion mob ran a Kickstarter campaign from 13th of March to the 27th of April with an initial goal of $10,000 and that amount was easily reached within a very short period of time, the Kickstarter campaign raised $191,661 with 2716 backers a few of which were somewhat disgruntled and asking for their money back towards the end.

Now for those who missed out on their Kickstarter campaign there is no need to panic because they have just started a completely new Indiegogo campaign with exactly the same gadget and identical marketing bullshit even though they are yet to ship a single unit to any of the existing Kickstarter backers, I would have thought that they had a binding obligation and commitment to the initial Kickstarter supporters before going out and commencing a new campaign or offering the device elsewhere.

To date and by their own admission they have not confirmed the existence of a fully operational and completed prototype, no confirmation of any regulatory compliance or certification, neither an Android or IOS Bluetooth application and no user manual either. On the plus side now accompanying the meter is a ninety day warranty after some of the backers refused to accept the previously offered thirty day warranty.

Kickstarter Campaign
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter)

Indiegogo Campaign
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vion-auto-detection-l-bluetooth-l-smart-multimeter#/ (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vion-auto-detection-l-bluetooth-l-smart-multimeter#/)

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/vion-the-worlds-silliest-multimeter/?action=dlattach;attach=423016;image)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: ataradov on May 04, 2018, 01:08:36 pm
Does IGG just let you type any amount raised you like? Oh how did they manage to add those $190k?
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Distelzombie on May 04, 2018, 08:26:28 pm
This has one thing going for me: The cables don't tangle. I always hate the cables on my multimeter where ever they are.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Ridocar on May 04, 2018, 09:22:08 pm
A measuring device for people with little (or no) knowledge in electronics, and they stick the probes in anything that works on electricity. What could go wrong?

Someone once told me: "if you make a fool-proof system, it's going to be used by fools".
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: EEVblog on May 04, 2018, 11:21:48 pm
Now for those who missed out on their Kickstarter campaign there is no need to panic because they have just started a completely new Indiegogo campaign with exactly the same gadget and identical marketing bullshit even though they are yet to ship a single unit to any of the existing Kickstarter backers, I would have thought that they had a binding obligation and commitment to the initial Kickstarter supporters before going out and commencing a new campaign or offering the device elsewhere.

How does a separate IGG campaign invalidate any obligation to the Kickstarter backers?
Provided they don't ship to others first I don't see the problem there apart from an image thing.

IGG actually contact successful KS campaigns to entice them to run another campaign and/or list it on their Marketplace.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: GreyWoolfe on May 08, 2018, 06:37:01 am
At least Jamaica according to some random list on the internet. That would also explain this whole creation, this year crop of weed is too damn strong.

 :-DD

I wonder if will explode on 420V...

No, it won't.  It will go looking for munchies, drink your beer and pee in your kitchen sink.

Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Cyberdragon on May 08, 2018, 07:02:52 am
At least Jamaica according to some random list on the internet. That would also explain this whole creation, this year crop of weed is too damn strong.

 :-DD

I wonder if will explode on 420V...

No, it won't.  It will go looking for munchies, drink your beer and pee in your kitchen sink.

and the entire app just turns into stuff like "duuuuude...like...woooaaah maaaan!" >:D
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Seph.b on May 08, 2018, 09:18:52 am
A meter that just checks continuity with a green LED lighting would actually be kinda handy to give my customers who usually don't even know what a continuity check is.

Pretty sure that I could build it for less than $.50 + cost of a battery.

Guess I should get a kickstarter going. Actually I remember using an electric fence tester as a kid that was pretty much this, guess I need to put a bluetooth symbol on it.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: xrunner on May 08, 2018, 12:51:08 pm
Vion should link into the voice mail of the phone like:

Quote
I'm sorry but "your name" is busy measuring an AA battery please leave a message.
:clap:
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on July 11, 2018, 01:26:46 pm
I just noticed in the Kickstarter comments that they are now hoping to bring to supporters "the best multimeter ever", I wish them the best of luck with that ridiculous promise, also one of the backers has asked about the Apple App Certification without a reply to date so that could be a hurdle for them as well.

Vion Comments.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter/comments (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter/comments)

Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Urs42 on July 11, 2018, 05:24:31 pm
A multimeter with completely wireless probes would be nice.  :bullshit:
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on July 15, 2018, 09:55:45 pm
Just an update on the Kickstarter campaign, they had originally declared a June delivery date and then promised July, now they are stating the end of September which is well after the scheduled August delivery date set for the Indiegogo campaign, it's no wonder the Kickstarter backers are throwing tantrums.   :o ::)

"Announcement"

"Dear Backer,
As you know we were responsible for delivering Vion by the end of July. Unfortunately, we are unable to do so due to some circumstances out of our control-certification approval. As a result, delivery will occur toward the end of September. We apologize for the delay. We have been trying our best to expedite the shipping process to deliver Vion to our backers in good shape. We  hope you will understand the current situation and once again thank you for your patience.  Vion Team"


Vion Comments.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter/comments (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter/comments)

Kickstarter Campaign
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter)

Indiegogo Campaign
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vion-auto-detection-l-bluetooth-l-smart-multimeter#/ (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vion-auto-detection-l-bluetooth-l-smart-multimeter#/)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: julianhigginson on July 15, 2018, 10:55:50 pm
A multimeter with completely wireless probes would be nice.  :bullshit:


Shhhh... that's got to be the main new feature of vion2.
they will get rid of the cable between the probes and it'll work just as well as it did before, but with no awkward cable! win!
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Cyberdragon on July 18, 2018, 11:57:57 am
Just an update on the Kickstarter campaign, they had originally declared a June delivery date and then promised July, now they are stating the end of September which is well after the scheduled August delivery date set for the Indiegogo campaign, it's no wonder the Kickstarter backers are throwing tantrums.   :o ::)

"Announcement"

"Dear Backer,
As you know we were responsible for delivering Vion by the end of July. Unfortunately, we are unable to do so due to some circumstances out of our control-certification approval. As a result, delivery will occur toward the end of September. We apologize for the delay. We have been trying our best to expedite the shipping process to deliver Vion to our backers in good shape. We  hope you will understand the current situation and once again thank you for your patience.  Vion Team"


Vion Comments.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter/comments (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter/comments)

Kickstarter Campaign
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter)

Indiegogo Campaign
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vion-auto-detection-l-bluetooth-l-smart-multimeter#/ (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vion-auto-detection-l-bluetooth-l-smart-multimeter#/)

*baby talk voice* Aww...poor Vion having twouble getting cewtified? >:D

They'll never get there rat turd dildo stick certified, it's basically as bad as those dollar Chinese meters in terms of safety, with even stupider feature added. They're either incredibly stupid (possible), or they know damn well it'll never work and are pulling the usual :bullshit: as an excuse to rip off people.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: EEVblog on July 18, 2018, 02:39:17 pm
A multimeter with completely wireless probes would be nice.  :bullshit:

Done that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q2rnKExMiY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q2rnKExMiY)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: EEVblog on July 18, 2018, 02:40:07 pm
I just noticed in the Kickstarter comments that they are now hoping to bring to supporters "the best multimeter ever", I wish them the best of luck with that ridiculous promise, also one of the backers has asked about the Apple App Certification without a reply to date so that could be a hurdle for them as well.

Having just gone through that, it's not quick nor easy.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on July 30, 2018, 11:12:26 am
Wow, it took them a while but they have now responded to the backers some of which were getting rather disgruntled with the lack of news. They have now decided to enhance this device with a number of drastic improvements in an effort to make it an even better piece of rubbish, at some point these gadgets will probably end up in the recycle bin once the internal battery is extinguished and can no longer hold a charge and I somehow doubt that anyone would even bother replacing it at that point. Links to the campaigns are just above in a prior post.

"Thank you so much for your patience!

Hello Backers, 

Thank you so much for your patience. To fully update you on the process, we have backtracked a bit due to the fact that we made a couple noticeable changes to the device, which has caused a delay in obtaining certification. We decided to go forward with a new and improved version for safety and convenience reasons since our last version had a couple things we wanted to fix.  The first thing we changed is the power button, as we went from a slide button to a push button.

The second thing we improved is the accuracy. On our original campaign, we indicated ±0.7 percent accuracy, but we have worked to lower that percentage. The third change that we implemented is a new PCB Board for improved resistance and PTC. The fourth change is the fuse box case. We changed the fuse box case to make it something that users could open. Previously it was undetachable, but now the fuse box is accessible. The last change that we made was to add a small LED light near the tips of the probes, just for safety and convenience. With these physical changes, we had to create new molds, which caused a delay in production and certification. We promise we are doing our best to prevent more delays. 

As for the smartphone application, we are currently taking care of some unforeseen complications that have come up with the iOS system. The Android system has been squared away, but we’ve had a couple of obstacles come up with finalizing the iOS version that we will soon figure out. We assure you that we are actively working to untangle these unforeseen issues and will keep the updates coming. Our intentions are not to come off as a scheme or as a fraud, and we apologize if we have come off that way whatsoever. We will implement increased efforts to address your concerns. Creating, manufacturing, and delivering a new product is not an easy feat, but we want to remain committed to efficiency, transparency, and dedication to delivering a great product. 

We are now anticipating to begin delivery by the end of September. We apologize sincerely for the delay and appreciate the patience and continued support. Please don’t hesitate to ask questions. We will try our best to stay in communication throughout the process. 

Best, 

The Allectrics Team"   


Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Cyberdragon on August 01, 2018, 02:58:58 pm
Safety? :-DD :-DD :-DD Please Darwin...DESTROY

Is that even an HRC fuse? Ask them what CAT rating it is...

Step 1: remove fuse cover after blowing fuse
Step 2: install new fuse
Step 3: forget about it like the idiot you are for buying this
Step 4: hold as usual (finger in fuse hole)
Step 5: insert into socket
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: KL27x on August 14, 2018, 10:28:24 am
This statement is comedy gold:

Quote
Our intentions are not to come off as a scheme or as a fraud


If people are actually funding this, it is successful at fundraising, in the least. I imagine some of the people working on this (if it's more than 1 guy) are extremely unhappy with 99% of the design decisions. But if they are simply following w/e brings in the bucks, it's kind of funny. 


Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Cyberdragon on August 15, 2018, 03:04:21 am
This statement is comedy gold:

Quote
Our intentions are not to come off as a scheme or as a fraud


If people are actually funding this, it is successful at fundraising, in the least. I imagine some of the people working on this (if it's more than 1 guy) are extremely unhappy with 99% of the design decisions. But if they are simply following w/e brings in the bucks, it's kind of funny.

It will 100% be a scam, whether intentional or not. There's no way in hell this crap will get certified for going onto the market (besides shady stuff on Ebay or AliExpress). Then what? Bet they just run off with the money and say "oops, sorry!" >:D
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: b_force on August 16, 2018, 10:58:46 am
You know what is so sad about this project?

The whole idea of having just a bluetooth multimeter (and using your phone as a screen) isn't that bad at all.
I would easily pay a couple of bucks having a few of these.

Just the way it's done is just so extremely depressing. :palm:
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on August 17, 2018, 11:22:12 am
This statement is comedy gold:
Quote
Our intentions are not to come off as a scheme or as a fraud

If people are actually funding this, it is successful at fundraising, in the least. I imagine some of the people working on this (if it's more than 1 guy) are extremely unhappy with 99% of the design decisions. But if they are simply following w/e brings in the bucks, it's kind of funny.

From what I understand they have been around for quite a while trying to get support for nothing more than a concept, by their own admission when the Kickstarter campaign started all they had was a mock up of a gadget with an over embellished marketing campaign and not even a working prototype and to date the backers still don't have proof of an operational device. Anyway, I was looking forward to them releasing something that resembled a test instrument but it now appears that they could be running multiple campaigns for a variety of things with nothing to show, I haven't looked into these as yet but apparently others have.


Redacted Name 2 days ago
The worry is that you seem to have multiple kick starter campaigns running at the same time and Nunalo, IOFIT & Zeroi all have comments relating too poor comms, poor delivery, incorrect orders etc. Your now even starting a new project Klinstem. This makes me feel you are constantly pushing out products just to continue your Kick starter funding process and don't manage to perfect any product as the next one takes over. Please process a refund as I've lost faith in the project with the current delays and lack of any finite info except for mock-ups of app and drawing of device.



Allectrics.Inc Creator 1 day ago
Redacted Name
Hi! Thanks for your question and your emphasis on trust. We understand what you are saying and also hold that same value. We are in no way concealing the fact that we are a company that has originated from South Korea. But we also want to acknowledge that we have opened accounts in the U.S. and have registered as an American corporation as well. Altos Business Group is a marketing consulting firm that is assisting us and other companies that you mentioned here and there on our campaign's marketing initiatives. We are extremely proud of being a Korean company with headquarters in South Korea. But we also have legal status in the U.S., and we are physically operating and running our campaign in Newport Beach, CA right now. We appreciate your dedication to transparency, but we would also appreciate if you would refrain from making claims and conjectures about us when you have no direct affiliation with our company.
Have a great rest of your day!    Vion Team

Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: EEVblog on August 17, 2018, 12:18:33 pm
Are there links to the other Kickstarter campaigns they are supposedly running?
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: SiliconWizard on August 30, 2018, 03:51:17 am
You know what is so sad about this project?

The whole idea of having just a bluetooth multimeter (and using your phone as a screen) isn't that bad at all.
I would easily pay a couple of bucks having a few of these.

Just the way it's done is just so extremely depressing. :palm:

Quite a few recent multimeters have a bluetooth interface actually. I've never found having to use a phone practical at all, but YMMV.


Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on August 31, 2018, 11:46:33 am
They have recently released another update with a few enhancements to this gadget and are also telling the Kickstarter backers that delivery will still be at the end of September, some of these Kickstarter backers are asking for a refund but their requests appear to be falling on deaf ears. For the Indiegogo backers delivery will now be at the end of the year or so they are being told.


Vion Comments.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter/comments (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter/comments)

Kickstarter Campaign
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter)

Indiegogo Campaign
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vion-auto-detection-l-bluetooth-l-smart-multimeter#/ (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vion-auto-detection-l-bluetooth-l-smart-multimeter#/)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Cyberdragon on September 01, 2018, 05:21:02 am
OMFG :rant:

MORE RETARDATION...you can't measure a shorted CFL...because of the FUSE inside. :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm:
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: mzzj on September 01, 2018, 06:12:01 am
Your Fluke can't do Facebook or Instagram.

With Vion you can boast to your friends that you are actually measuring a voltage above -gulp- 12 volts and lived to tell the story.
This is a killer app! (pun intended).  >:D


Now, seriously........
I believe this Vion thing will sell to the social media crowd, and the developer will be laughing all the way to the bank.
One of my friends has IRC plugin for HP6632B power supplies so that you can query or set the voltage/current over IRC  :-DD
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Cyberdragon on September 01, 2018, 07:30:35 am
Your Fluke can't do Facebook or Instagram.

With Vion you can boast to your friends that you are actually measuring a voltage above -gulp- 12 volts and lived to tell the story.
This is a killer app! (pun intended).  >:D


Now, seriously........
I believe this Vion thing will sell to the social media crowd, and the developer will be laughing all the way to the bank.
One of my friends has IRC plugin for HP6632B power supplies so that you can query or set the voltage/current over IRC  :-DD

please say that's connected to some poor guy's tongue... >:D
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on September 20, 2018, 05:31:39 pm
It appears that this lot have done a couple of updates recently and now have something that resembles a mobile phone application or something, they also declared not long ago that shipping would start at the end of September which is more or less about now in case they weren't aware.
 :popcorn:

Update Number 19
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter/posts/2292364 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter/posts/2292364)

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/vion-the-worlds-silliest-multimeter/?action=dlattach;attach=526958;image)

Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Cyberdragon on September 20, 2018, 08:55:50 pm
The interface and readout at least looks decent. "Sensitivity", what the sam hell does that mean? Don't tell me this thing doesn't have auto-range, that would be stupid...oh wait... ::)

Also, again with "emductor", and a scope? Perfect for measuring mains noise >:D "Power out"...does that mean it will output voltage, turn off, or knock your power out because you shorted mains?
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on September 20, 2018, 09:58:39 pm
I suspect that the "Res" button means the user needs resuscitation so the phone has the ability to call an ambulance, this will be handy for those people who think they can suddenly start dicking around with electricity when in reality they have no idea and should stay the fuck away from it.   :o

No min/max function that I could see either which is a big fail particularly for remote testing say from across the room or at the rear of a vehicle, the scope feature probably means graphing or trending but we won't really know until they release the application which was going to include a user manual.   ::)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Cyberdragon on September 21, 2018, 12:50:10 am
There is some sort of min max, the bottom says low and high. No button for them though.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on September 26, 2018, 02:01:25 pm
Well spotted, that text is way too small for my eyes to see so I probably should have grabbed a screenshot and had a closer look, I was sure that the lower left was showing Hold and the lower right was indicating Low as in the battery is flat again.  ::)

Another look at their video linked below shows that the high and low are only displayed for a second or two at 0.29-0.31 so the readings are not held as would be the case with a dedicated Min-Max function, with a bit of luck they should be able to address and fix this feature in the application otherwise the high and low indication on this gadget is just plain silly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLIQe56wrqM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLIQe56wrqM)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Cyberdragon on September 27, 2018, 01:49:34 am
They won't fix it, they'll make it worse. "Just plain silly (and dangerous)" should be their motto!
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: edy on September 27, 2018, 09:20:04 am
(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/vion-the-worlds-silliest-multimeter/?action=dlattach;attach=526958;image)

What's an Emductor?  :-//

[EDIT.. Addition:]

Maybe this was answered before, but they show people testing batteries and it says "Good". Under what load are these batteries subjected to? I mean, you can get some voltage out of the battery but the minute you actually draw current from it, won't the voltage drop? How is this thing supposed to tell you anything but the most dead batteries? What about dying batteries, and what about down-cycling batteries from high current-draw devices like motorized toys to things like remote controls? I don't get it.

And then they show somebody checking continuity on a light bulb? What? To figure out if the bulb is good? Seriously? A $3 DMM with a buzzer can tell you this, plus looking at the damn filament through the clear glass as they show on their Kickstarter page. Or just screw it in and see if it turns on? Knowing who might buy this, I wouldn't be surprised if they try checking LED and CFL bulbs also like this... what a fail.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: dunkemhigh on September 27, 2018, 11:48:22 am
Quote
Or just screw it in and see if it turns on?

Then pop out to buy a new bulb and find it's the power supply or bulb socket that was the problem.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: xrunner on September 27, 2018, 11:20:22 pm
And then they show somebody checking continuity on a light bulb? What? To figure out if the bulb is good? Seriously? A $3 DMM with a buzzer can tell you this, ...

Aha - but a $3 DMM cannot receive a phone call!  :-DD
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 28, 2018, 11:06:44 pm
Anyone else hate this trend of "it works with your smartphone!" with so many products now days.  To me this is basically "we didn't want to make our own display electronics so you better have a phone that is compatible with our crappy software".
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: TERRA Operative on September 29, 2018, 12:53:13 am
You know what is so sad about this project?

The whole idea of having just a bluetooth multimeter (and using your phone as a screen) isn't that bad at all.
I would easily pay a couple of bucks having a few of these.

Just the way it's done is just so extremely depressing. :palm:

You might be interested in the Mooshimeter then, It's the bluetooth meter done right.
I'll have to buy one myself one of these days..

https://moosh.im/mooshimeter/
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on October 03, 2018, 01:13:08 pm
They stated a number of times previously that the gadgets would be shipped at the end of September but have now delayed shipping once again due to safety concerns. By their own admission there was a potential risk of a spark from the USB connection which could cause the battery to overheat and in turn result in the device melting or catching fire, they wanted to avoid this from happening.   :o ::)

Announcement Oct 2 2018
"Hey Backers,
We've received several messages surrounding shipping dates and we wanted to provide you with some information for you guys. But first, let us provide you with some good news first. We are almost close to finishing the Vion application! Here are a couple of sneak peek shots of what it will look like.

Now in regards to the shipping dates, as we were getting ready for mass production, our engineering team discovered that there was one component of VION that had to be adjusted. The distance between the USB charging port and the PCB board was too small which did not provide a good insulation distance. This meant that while the chances were very low, a spark could overheat the battery and cause it to melt or catch on fire. We wanted to avoid this from happening and so our team has been working hard to bring that risk to zero.

Therefore, we have had to adjust our molds before going into mass production and this has been the primary reason why we have not been able to ship yet. With that being said, our new expected shipping date is around the end of November. We understand that we have not kept our promise to ship for the third time and for those of you who support us regardless of recent happenings, we are eternally grateful. We promise that VION will not let you down. Our team will regularly post updates as soon as we get them. Thank you so much. Sincerely  VION Team
"

Vion Updates.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter/updates (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter/updates)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Cyberdragon on October 03, 2018, 11:24:19 pm
:-DD

That is either the least significant safety issue that they found and they are clueless, or they know it's garbage and they threw out this excuse to the noobs that don't understand safety while they try to address the real issues.

Side note, whats the CAT ratings on that "mooshimeter"? I mean, I get the point of it is to be 100% isolated from human contact but still, better that it doesn't explode.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: janoc on October 04, 2018, 04:50:23 am
Side note, whats the CAT ratings on that "mooshimeter"? I mean, I get the point of it is to be 100% isolated from human contact but still, better that it doesn't explode.

Don't think it has a CAT rating, but here are the specs:
https://moosh.im/mooshimeter/specs/ (https://moosh.im/mooshimeter/specs/)

EDIT: it has apparently CAT III rating:
http://www.gadgetexplained.com/2016/12/cat-iii-600v-mooshimeter-can-do.html (http://www.gadgetexplained.com/2016/12/cat-iii-600v-mooshimeter-can-do.html)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: SiliconWizard on October 09, 2018, 08:44:50 am
So how is the project coming along? :popcorn:

Bluetooth and phone apps are so 2017. You guys should go for a blockchain-based multimeter or something.
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: PointyOintment on October 10, 2018, 07:34:11 pm
Quote from: Vion update
The distance between the USB charging port and the PCB board [sic] was too small which did not provide a good insulation distance.
So it has one‽

Quote from: Vion update
Therefore, we have had to adjust our molds
Since when does one mold a PCB or a USB port?


Side note, whats the CAT ratings on that "mooshimeter"? I mean, I get the point of it is to be 100% isolated from human contact but still, better that it doesn't explode.

Don't think it has a CAT rating, but here are the specs:
https://moosh.im/mooshimeter/specs/ (https://moosh.im/mooshimeter/specs/)

EDIT: it has apparently CAT III rating:
http://www.gadgetexplained.com/2016/12/cat-iii-600v-mooshimeter-can-do.html (http://www.gadgetexplained.com/2016/12/cat-iii-600v-mooshimeter-can-do.html)
IIRC, Mooshimeter's CAT III, but if you cut out the plastic that covers the SD card slot (so you can use the slot), that voids the certification. (It's probably no less safe, but I guess it wasn't safety tested in that configuration.)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: janoc on October 11, 2018, 06:31:36 am

IIRC, Mooshimeter's CAT III, but if you cut out the plastic that covers the SD card slot (so you can use the slot), that voids the certification. (It's probably no less safe, but I guess it wasn't safety tested in that configuration.)

The original reason why they closed the slot was because there was water condensing there and the meter was then failing high voltage tests:
https://moosh.im/2014/07/safety-improvements/
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Muttley Snickers on November 08, 2018, 05:34:53 pm
They have just released an updated notification declaring that they still don't have a working Android or IOS application and they are currently in the process of beta testing the Android version. They also hope to have an application ready by the time the meters are shipped which is completely ridiculous considering that these gadgets are utterly fucking useless without a correctly working application for the remote display.

 :-BROKE :wtf:

Vion Updates 21.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter/updates (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter/updates)
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: Cyberdragon on November 09, 2018, 01:55:18 am
So they are reassuring us that they are noobs and have no idea what they are doing. ::) :-DD
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: SiliconWizard on November 09, 2018, 04:51:07 am
Welcome to the startup world. A world of endless debt (financial as well as technical) for the most part.
 :-+
Title: Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
Post by: janoc on November 11, 2018, 06:24:05 am
Welcome to the startup world. A world of endless debt (financial as well as technical) for the most part.
 :-+

And wannabe entrepreneurs that draw something in Illustrator/Photoshop and then talk about "disrupting the industry" and "having to be a believer" as a magic incantation that makes VC part with their cash and somehow changes the laws of physics (or marketplace) to make whatever they dreamed out possible.