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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #50 on: March 27, 2018, 02:47:23 am »
Your Fluke can't do Facebook or Instagram.

With Vion you can boast to your friends that you are actually measuring a voltage above -gulp- 12 volts and lived to tell the story.
This is a killer app! (pun intended).  >:D


Now, seriously........
I believe this Vion thing will sell to the social media crowd, and the developer will be laughing all the way to the bank.
 

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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #51 on: March 27, 2018, 02:58:06 am »
What if it's actually a sinister plot to kill off hipsters... >:D
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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #52 on: April 02, 2018, 06:24:10 am »
Well, noticed another funny thing. Their strange approach of color code.



Green as an indication of "broken objects"? Really?  :-DD
 

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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #53 on: April 02, 2018, 11:57:11 am »
And as mentioned before, how can it tell between the leads not being connected to anything, or a blown light globe.
 

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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #54 on: April 02, 2018, 08:59:26 pm »
Well, noticed another funny thing. Their strange approach of color code.



Green as an indication of "broken objects"? Really?  :-DD

The way I read that chart I actually think the green indicator means a short circuit, so lack of green would be a blown globe.
But still this whole product is  :palm:
 

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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #55 on: April 04, 2018, 03:48:31 am »
Indications of PLUGS and LAMP SOCKETS?! :-DD

First of all, what the hell does this mean? You'd have to remove the connector to test continuity of it. Unless they have an integrated switch that may have failed, testing continuity is pointless. :palm:

Second, we know that wankers that buy this will connect it with the power on. It will certainly explode then, no way this POS will survive mains on continuity. >:D

Also, the lights for AC and DC are stupid. I mean, no shit Sherlock! :palm: I bet if you put it on AC riding on DC, it would either crash, or just say AC. >:D :-DD

EDIT: The failure mode of connectors is usually corrosion/charring. While this may indicate that by lack of continuity if it's bad enough, if it's bad and has resistance but still conducts enough to trigger the indicator, it will seem "good". If you plug in a high current appliance...prepare for a lot of burning. >:D
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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #56 on: April 04, 2018, 02:54:05 pm »
One of their recent comments on the Kickstarter page states that they now have category three certification on the device as shown in the first image below. It also appears that the unit should display a green LED when continuity is detected between the probe tips as shown in the second image below which indicates that their own description on how the device operates is somewhat confused.   

I now have concerns in regards to how trustworthy their promotional material and videos are, if you look at the other two images below where the nine volt battery is tested the LED is blue then it turns red to indicate a DC voltage is present before the probes even make contact with the battery terminals. There is a gif image or short video on the Kickstarter page which clearly shows this miraculous detection technology, hardly a properly working prototype in my view.

 
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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #57 on: April 05, 2018, 03:24:06 am »
Funny, is there such thing as CAT III 500V? I thought it was set in specific steps of 300, 600 and 1000V.
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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #58 on: April 05, 2018, 03:24:13 am »
Has no internal PCB?

Ah...so it's dead bug/point-to-point wired...I see. Poor shitty Chinese microprocessor... :-DD Of course is has a damn PCB, we've seen the blurry images, and you don't dead-bug products. :palm:

Ah yes...no mechanical switches...or certainty. Fully automatic Bluetooth iPhone IOT wank bullshit controlled multi-meter with only one input that could malfunction because you checked your Farcebark and decide to suddenly go into current or continuity mode when connected to MAINS! :palm: :-BROKE

CAT III my ass! Does it have HRC fuses and MOVs? What's the (apparently non-existant) PCB clearance?

EDIT: I think they mean it can read up to 500V, not that it would be safe anywhere near that. If they're lying about that CAT rating, they'll get their asses kicked!

EDIT2: "Feel free to ask questions" We will, all of the above. Although they appear to not know what they're rambling on about...so that may go nowhere (or they'll just lie or ignore them).
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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #59 on: April 15, 2018, 05:14:46 am »
If this sells I'm going to develop the ultimate meter. 

- Take the TS100 body,
- reinforce the tips and make them in srewdriver shapes. So solder-iron and srewdriver. For the USA a special sodder version.
- use the display with beamer function  as multimeter, internetbrowser, youtube viewer.
- internal free-energy generator with hidden battery and use the power supply connector input  for a special testlead.

This lead will have
- groundclip and pure anti-allergene copper ESD wristband with crocodile lock for closing the loop, functions as negative probe, ESD  safety device, hanging the meter, anti-drop,  antenna for wireless far-field communications.
- The pure copper wristband doubles as hyperloop detector and communication magloop for industrial use.
- The reinforced testlead is made by Australian virgin spiders and is a multifunction test lead that rolls in the body. So it makes it possible to secure your self on ladders of for abseilen in case of fire (caused by this device)
- The device is HAM friendly, the test lead wil be 20 meter so it can double as antenna for wireless use in the 80 meter band.
- a special app that uses the build in X-ray and infrared webcam recognizes all electronic parts, reverse engineers every circuit in seconds and tells you what is wrong.
- The special Y-fony finger sensor monitors you body functions and phones 911 if you burn, stab or electrocute yourself with this device. (not available on the Japanese harikiri  version.)
- It has an ultrasone sensor, just dump it in a bucket of water and it will clean your tools. Also available in pink.....
- The free energy generator is based on nano-peltiers and doubles as beer cooler (the Canadian version wil have a bear cooler)

There will be a big kickstarter campaign.
For certain African regions we skip the campaign part and only add the kickstarter

There will be a special forces edition that doubles as a taser.

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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #60 on: April 15, 2018, 06:03:39 am »
Well, it has more than 1700 backers and 13 times the the money set in their goal :) Goes to show that you can sell anything if you did the marketing part right. Ask the audiophools!
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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #61 on: April 15, 2018, 09:24:24 am »
Well, it has more than 1700 backers and 13 times the the money set in their goal :) Goes to show that you can sell anything if you did the marketing part right. Ask the audiophools!

Yes, this is incredible. Note that the initial goal was very low to release a product IMO, even this!

The parallel with the audiophools is interesting. In both cases, their targets are tech-inclined, but not tech-savvy people. In order words, people who usually think they know, but actually don't know much and thus are very easy to trap, because the products are flattering their egos.

 

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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #62 on: April 15, 2018, 07:55:35 pm »
At last! A really selective device for separating the brain-dead (who have somehow figured out internet access) from their disability payments! This device creates a super-sharp cut-off (coded lilac on my iFridge) between people with any inkling whatsoever about how magnets work and those who don't.

Vion have very successfully gathered a database of investors who could be persuaded to buy almost anything at all. That has got to be valuable! I bet the UK MOD department that ordered those dodgy bomb detectors was an early sign-up on kockstarter.

Are we 100% sure this isn't a viral ad for The Onion?
 

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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #63 on: April 15, 2018, 08:19:16 pm »
Wow, the creators replies to questions by backers are painful to read - they show the same total lack of comprehension as the product concept itself.
I'm going to back this for $1 just to watch the fun as it plays out  >:D
 

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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #64 on: April 15, 2018, 09:50:11 pm »
Well, noticed another funny thing. Their strange approach of color code.



Green as an indication of "broken objects"? Really?  :-DD

Unless you used it every day you'd quickly forget all those color modes anyway.
 

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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #65 on: April 16, 2018, 01:34:17 am »
How about (only) BLUE for BLUETOOTH

RED for Resistance

Amber for Ac

and so on.

Add other colors as appropriate ... I mean if that's the way they want to go with it ...  :popcorn:
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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #66 on: April 16, 2018, 11:11:38 am »
How about (only) BLUE for BLUETOOTH

RED for Resistance

Amber for Ac

and so on.

Add other colors as appropriate ... I mean if that's the way they want to go with it ...  :popcorn:
That doesn't seem to jive with an international market.
 
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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #67 on: April 16, 2018, 11:47:25 am »
If it's true what they say then this is really great! Like technological-singularity-great!!
So, I just use this black plastic sticks to point at things and a body-less entity whispers measurements in my ear! Just think about it:
- "The multimeter has no PCB"
- "The multimeter has no body"
- It speaks measurements out loud
- It can magically tell what kind of socket you're testing or what that broken light-bulb is, then shows you the exact same on your smartphone app
- It can measure Emductor with high Rccuracy! Those things aren't even invented yet!!

AMAZING!! It is finally here! The technological singularity! Where we enslave higher dimensional beings to serve us as Multimeters.
Of course the color code thing is prone to mistakes: When I would be enslaved by lower dimensional beings to show them what they want, I too wouldn't care much about it, as long as they don't throw me away.

Everything makes sense when you think about it this way. Brrrrr... shiver up my spine!
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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #68 on: April 16, 2018, 12:18:25 pm »
Apparently it can not only distinguish the type and rating of a blown and open circuit incandescent light globe but it also incorporates the miraculous ability to direct the user to the most appropriate source for that particular bulb, I'm pretty sure our nearest Home Depot is in Honolulu.   :palm:
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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #69 on: April 17, 2018, 09:48:19 pm »
It seems they are now chucking in a luxury stretch goal case with the meter as can bee seen in the image below, it also appears that they are avoiding a question posed by one of the backers in relation to the off or idle state current consumption and accordingly the longevity of the meter.

I have saved the up to date comments in PDF format below where a couple of the backers are talking about quitting, I didn't know people could pull out of these things once they made a commitment to support a campaign.

Vion Comments.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1441579202/the-worlds-simplest-bluetooth-multimeter/comments




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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #70 on: April 17, 2018, 10:41:07 pm »
"Vion" really sounds like a luxury brand to me anyway.

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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #71 on: April 17, 2018, 11:12:53 pm »
You could fit a normal DMM in that case, you know, the one with a PCB and display and no need for a smartphone app that only works until some update of the OS. The kind of meter that survives falling out your hands . Or like in the first kickstart movie where the meter drops but holds on to the test leads instead of dropping your smartphone because you need three hands.

About the colors. After you measured, remember the color, look at the phone and they show you the color too so you can not forget. Then open the helpfile and search for the meaning of the colors.
Red, the cases where you are chasing a RED haring or was it something with a wolf eating granny, a ferry tale, just like the meter
Blue, the cases where the problem comes out of the blue and into the black or the other way around ? or the Niel Young mode
Green, summit the green lantern if you need help. Or does it you are seasick ?
Yellow for dangerous situations under water..oh, wait that had to do with a submarine.
smoke, to detect a wifi-hotspot.

A watch that doubles as scope and/or dmm is much more fun. If I was good in programming I would do that with the watch TI made a few years ago. (i have one)
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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #72 on: April 18, 2018, 05:13:24 am »
About the colors. After you measured, remember the color, look at the phone and they show you the color too so you can not forget. Then open the helpfile and search for the meaning of the colors.
Red, the cases where you are chasing a RED haring or was it something with a wolf eating granny, a ferry tale, just like the meter
Blue, the cases where the problem comes out of the blue and into the black or the other way around ? or the Niel Young mode
Green, summit the green lantern if you need help. Or does it you are seasick ?
Yellow for dangerous situations under water..oh, wait that had to do with a submarine.
smoke, to detect a wifi-hotspot.

LOL  :-DD

Oh I just can't resist ...

Red, {R}emeber what just happened - the meter is telling you about an important event.
Blue, {B}acktrack your steps - something is overloading
Green, {G}et back quickly - a component is about to smoke.
Yellow, {Y}ou don't know what you are doing - both regarding your detected troublshooting steps, and your knowledge of buying quality DMMs.  :P
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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #73 on: April 18, 2018, 08:21:18 am »
Yellow : you need a Fluke...the gadget shows you the dealer in Anthartica
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Re: Vion : The Worlds Silliest Multimeter
« Reply #74 on: April 18, 2018, 12:41:19 pm »
They have now responded to some of the backers recent questions which in itself is commendable and according to their statement the device draws no current whatsoever in the idle or off state. Also confirmation that in its current configuration it cannot measure current, probably a good thing anyway, keep it simply stupid.




 
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