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Do you believe at this bullshit ???
« on: February 21, 2019, 11:16:48 am »
I already know that RF Waves (especially some kind of them) are not good for living being etc etc etc .....

But !!!

Is this possible that devices like this : http://www.thebestamp.com/Accessories/Resonators.php
can really shield us from danger RF Waves like wifi,5g etc ???
 

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Re: Do you believe at this bullshit ???
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2019, 11:46:39 am »
No, the only way to protect from RF electromagnetic field is just Faraday cage and other kind of well known electromagnetic shielding.

Regarding to the Schumann waves (7.83 Hz, 14.1 Hz, 20.3 Hz), this is just impossible to make so small box which can significantly affect ELF (Extremely Low Frequency) electromagnetic waves. This box should be 7'384 kilometers in size or at least close to that size in order to affect Schumann waves.  :)

Just look at this VLF (Very Low Frequency) antenna:


It is designed for 20 kHz band (15 kilometers wavelength). But Schumann waves even much longer, for example 20.3 Hz is 14'768'101 meters wavelength!

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Re: Do you believe at this bullshit ???
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2019, 11:54:09 am »
Спасибо я так и думал  :)

For people around,here you got some extra material to think on "How the modern wireless tech is killing us today".

https://thefullertoninformer.com/death-by-wireless-the-horrific-legacy-of-big-telecom-and-its-agents-turned-victims-such-as-john-mccain/


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Re: Do you believe at this bullshit ???
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2019, 12:30:51 pm »
You really should be posting this stuff in the dodgy technology section rather than cluttering the more serious ones.
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Re: Do you believe at this bullshit ???
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2019, 12:46:55 pm »
No. I am sure Google could find me 1001 websites with similar or the same rubbish. Why post this in this part of the forum?
 

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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2019, 01:53:57 pm »
Indeed, it's flat!
 

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Re: Do you believe at this bullshit ???
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2019, 02:43:11 pm »
Do I believe this "Bullshit" - absolutely not.  It's just that, bullshit and you could learn that it is bullshit if you troubled yourself to learn some physics.
Спасибо я так и думал  :)

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https://thefullertoninformer.com/death-by-wireless-the-horrific-legacy-of-big-telecom-and-its-agents-turned-victims-such-as-john-mccain/


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Rather than exploring wacky theories, I suggest you actually learn the subject. It will take awhile.  "The bullshit" is your belief that your questions have answers. If you are really concerned that your conspiracy theories could be true - STUDY THE SUBJECT.   I have ... your concerns are based on NOTHING.   Literally, no physics to support this ridiculous conjecture.    "You got some material"?   YES - A book on the physics of Radio Frequency Electro-magnetism.  Do the work!
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Re: Do you believe at this bullshit ???
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2019, 03:52:36 pm »
To be fair they did publish a *wireless* method of neuron communication (its on slashdot) but its a far cry from making the brain a em antenna.

Conciousness is weird though, i refuse to jump to conclusions based on inert materials and simple organisms.

If it does have a mental effect it may be subjective to mood and possibly both a benefit or a hinderance depending on mental state. I always wondered if it could have a mild stimulant effect.

It also creates a uniqur temperature gradient in your brain not achiveable with any natural source. But unless power levels are insane its hard to imagine it effecting neurobiological chemistry

With this stuff if you choose to embrace it basically make conciousness a extremely sensitive detector. Or you might be tripping balls like sauls employer lol

Of course you can question the validity of the placebo a nd nake the assertion that your brain can detect it if you are aware of it some how? Maybe a phillospher can explain this musing i had.
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Re: Do you believe at this bullshit ???
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2019, 04:00:02 pm »
No one knows what electromagnetic field is. The official science cannot explain all things, because the world is too complicated and sometimes even paradoxical. But at least it provides math models that really works and can be used.
Unfortunately, official science is not so easy to understand and I think this is the reason why some peoples trying to believe in these stupid theories :)


 

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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2019, 04:03:33 pm »
Idk if you can call it stupid. Its esoteric and dubious but its not really stupid because we have little understanding of conciousness.
 

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Re: Do you believe at this bullshit ???
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2019, 12:49:35 am »
I have my doubts that 5G is going to kill us all. Virtually everyone alive now has been living in a veritable man-made electromagnetic soup for most (if not all) of their life. Not to mention all of us are living in a post nuclear world where background radiation in general is higher than it was prior to 1945 before nuclear testing. Look into low-background steel, for example [1].

However...

Shutting someone up and calling stuff bullshit just because they aren't mainstream science is also bullshit. Challenge them on ideas, give evidence why they are wrong. You can go all the way back to the helio- vs. geo-centric solar system models to see why. For every advance made in science, there's tons more that scientists don't know. Dogmatically shutting viewpoints down because they aren't mainstream is not how new science comes about.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel
 

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Re: Do you believe at this bullshit ???
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2019, 01:54:51 am »
No one knows what electromagnetic field is. The official science cannot explain all things, because the world is too complicated and sometimes even paradoxical. But at least it provides math models that really works and can be used.
Unfortunately, official science is not so easy to understand and I think this is the reason why some peoples trying to believe in these stupid theories :)

Actually anyone who took college physics and listened will know what an electromagnetic field is.  If you don't understand it, that doesn't mean it can't be explained. Not only do many of us know, but we can predict what it will do in various circumstances mathematically, designing things like antennas.   Also things like MRI machines etc.
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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2019, 02:18:42 am »
Actually anyone who took college physics and listened will know what an electromagnetic field is.  If you don't understand it, that doesn't mean it can't be explained. Not only do many of us know, but we can predict what it will do in various circumstances mathematically, designing things like antennas.   Also things like MRI machines etc.

we know physics laws, know patterns and dependencies. It allows us to predict behavior (with limitations) and by using that knowledge we can design antenna or some other RF stuff. But we don't know anything what is stay behind these forces and why. These questions is out of scope for science. The official science don't have answer on these questions. It just helps to use known features of the world.

We even don't know what is electron, photon or these virtual particles used in quantum physics. It's just abstraction, which is needed for our math model. But math model is not equals to real world, it's just a pitiful attempt to approximate real world behavior and nothing more.
 

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Re: Do you believe at this bullshit ???
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2019, 03:30:56 am »
Actually anyone who took college physics and listened will know what an electromagnetic field is.  If you don't understand it, that doesn't mean it can't be explained. Not only do many of us know, but we can predict what it will do in various circumstances mathematically, designing things like antennas.   Also things like MRI machines etc.

we know physics laws, know patterns and dependencies. It allows us to predict behavior (with limitations) and by using that knowledge we can design antenna or some other RF stuff. But we don't know anything what is stay behind these forces and why. These questions is out of scope for science. The official science don't have answer on these questions. It just helps to use known features of the world.

We even don't know what is electron, photon or these virtual particles used in quantum physics. It's just abstraction, which is needed for our math model. But math model is not equals to real world, it's just a pitiful attempt to approximate real world behavior and nothing more.

Nothing you wrote demonstrates any evidence that you know this subject.  In fact, you demonstrate the opposite.  "We" - what is this?  The royal we? Your rubbish simply shows you don't know, never studied and never made the slightest effort to find out.  Pitiful attempt?  Only your superficiality and failure to learn.
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Re: Do you believe at this bullshit ???
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2019, 03:33:39 am »
I think he is right, basically it goes down to string theories or other extremely complicated equations that you can barely conceptualize and visualize and we have no good explanation of consciousness.

We have an idea of how EM waves and simple matter structures interact. We don't know how EM and consciousness (neural activity which results in awareness/life) interact. Does the whole of the brain when operating do something different or result in strange interactions or have weird field/other analogies? We don't know. Think about it this way, you do a bunch of impedance analysis to get various impedance on a circuit but then by chance of layout it turns out to be a good antenna at some weird frequency. Can consciousness do something like this?

Not to say that the matter should not be handled with the scientific method, but you can't blame him for being curious.
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Re: Do you believe at this bullshit ???
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2019, 05:23:09 am »
Nothing you wrote demonstrates any evidence that you know this subject.

Yes, I don't know physics so deep, just reproduced words of some scientist. May be I didn't understand him properly. But I don't see any mistake here.

"We" - what is this?

humans of course

Your rubbish simply shows you don't know, never studied and never made the slightest effort to find out.  Pitiful attempt?  Only your superficiality and failure to learn.

All our science is just a math approximation with limited precision. We can improve these models, but it will never cover all cases of real universe. Because math model is not equals to real world. This is just a simulation which may be very close to the real world, but will never be exact the same as real world. In my opinion this thing is pretty obvious, so I don't understand why you name this "rubbish".   :-//

If you know all these things, could you please help to understand a little more about electromagnetic fields?

For example - what is structure of boson? And how boson interacts with electron? What happens with their structure at the moment of interaction?

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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2019, 08:09:55 am »
Nothing you wrote demonstrates any evidence that you know this subject.  In fact, you demonstrate the opposite.  "We" - what is this?  The royal we? Your rubbish simply shows you don't know, never studied and never made the slightest effort to find out.  Pitiful attempt?  Only your superficiality and failure to learn.
Meh.

Newton could have said the same to anyone who didn't believe that with enough energy it's possible to accelerate anything to any speed.
Early 20th century psychiatrists could have said the same to anyone who doubted that lobotomy and electroshocks are a miracle cure to everything.
Marx did say the same, and repeatedly, to everyone who doubted in communism. And his fanboys still do :-DD

Not impressed at all.
 

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Re: Do you believe at this bullshit ???
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2019, 09:46:05 am »
Relax, live in this age, no way
 
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Re: Do you believe at this bullshit ???
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2019, 09:59:29 am »
To build antennas or MRI, we don't need Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything. When we will be building wormhole machine or other means of long range transportation - then perhaps we will need that knowledge.
 

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Re: Do you believe at this bullshit ???
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2019, 02:24:45 pm »
Nothing you wrote demonstrates any evidence that you know this subject.  In fact, you demonstrate the opposite.  "We" - what is this?  The royal we? Your rubbish simply shows you don't know, never studied and never made the slightest effort to find out.  Pitiful attempt?  Only your superficiality and failure to learn.
Meh.

Newton could have said the same to anyone who didn't believe that with enough energy it's possible to accelerate anything to any speed.
Early 20th century psychiatrists could have said the same to anyone who doubted that lobotomy and electroshocks are a miracle cure to everything.
Marx did say the same, and repeatedly, to everyone who doubted in communism. And his fanboys still do :-DD

Not impressed at all.

People who followed Newton, then made NEW OBSERVATIONS which Newton's ideas did not explain.  Those people knew his math evolved new and interesting math which then explained those phenomena better. This process of NEW OBSERVATIONS and then new math, validating new theories with NEW OBSERVATIONS continued to this day.    People who bullshit about Newton, who never understood his calculus, never made new observations - we don't even know their names.

So your excuses for bullshitting are just that.  Excuses for actually not learning, not finding out about new observations and not even understanding or thinking about what is new.

Why do you think I would care about lazy persons who are not impressed.  Failure to be impressed goes hand in hand with laziness.  Can you impress anyone?  You demonstrate ignorance with the principles, the history and even the capacity for logical thought.  Most of all - blithering ignorance of fundamentals of Electronics. This is the Electronics Engineering Video blog - and you don't even bother to listen to David's videos and think about them.  So - rattle on.   Your ignorance is not my responsibility but it is fun  to call out silliness.  That's all your blather is - ridiculous, silliness without a point of your own to make.   

Do you even know what Newton wrote?  Did you ever use the Calculus?   Do you know how his principles still work in certain frameworks?  Do you know anything about the work of others following him?  You provide ZERO reasons to believe the answer to my questions are: "No", "No", "No" At least read the history of Newton and subsequent developments between him and Einstein.  You never did. 
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Re: Do you believe at this bullshit ???
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2019, 03:23:19 pm »
Do you even know what Newton wrote?  Did you ever use the Calculus?   Do you know how his principles still work in certain frameworks?

He did great job, but his math cannot cover all things in the universe.
It just works good for certain limited conditions. Isn't it?

You still didn't show that you know anything about electromagnetic field, you're just blaming other users.
That's not good. If you really know antenna physics at very deep level, it will be very interest to see your explanation.
Just try to replace your disagreement and blame with explanation and clarification of your point of view.
In such way we can understand each other. Don't hesitate to use math  :)
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Re: Do you believe at this bullshit ???
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2019, 04:13:15 pm »
Do you even know what Newton wrote?  Did you ever use the Calculus?   Do you know how his principles still work in certain frameworks?

He did great job, but his math cannot cover all things in the universe.
It just works good for certain limited conditions. Isn't it?

No it doesn't.  The math developed since his time explains much more.   INCLUDING RADIO FREQUENCIES.   However, I don't think you know what his math explains or what more recent math explains.   So tell us what is the "thing in the universe" (especially radio frequencies and electronics) which you "think" is not explained.  So far, what  you speculate is not explained, is explained, you just never read the subject.
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Re: Do you believe at this bullshit ???
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2019, 04:42:40 pm »
GeoffreyF: I know the history of electromagnetic field discovery, know some math behind it, know about Maxwell's equations, Lorentz transformations, know history how all these things was found and discovered, know a little how antenna works, not so deep, but I understand basic things. Such as difference between Near Field region and Far Field region, explanation how electron emits and consumes photons, and other things. I can calculate simple antennas, such as half wave dipole or magnetic loop. I can calculate it's impedance for homogeneous environment with known relative permeability and relative permittivity and can imagine how it works. Also know a little how these things are explained in quantum physics but there are a lot of things that I don't understand. I'm not physicist. This is just interest area of physics for me.

Our conversation was started when I told that no one knows what electromagnetic field is. The science provide us with knowledge of it's features and help us to use it. The quantum physics explains that electromagnetic forces are carried with bosons - fundamental particles. Photon is an example of such particle. But it doesn't explains what is behind these bosons.

You said that you know what electromagnetic field is and started to blame me.
But you still not said what you know exactly. Can you explain it please?

So, what is electromagnetic field in your opinion?

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