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Products => Dodgy Technology => Topic started by: EEVblog on October 01, 2018, 07:08:16 am
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I haven't even gone beyond the first page yet and my :bullshit: meter is off the charts.
A new Batteriser?
https://energyxpower.com
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It's an Aussie thing, NSW, no less.
And oh boy we have a live one here!
https://energyxpower.com/technology/
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They're in Earlwood NSW. You should get an interview with them!
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OMG, I'm convinced! :-DD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_vUfqCHNgo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_vUfqCHNgo)
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So he's patented this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_effect
That poor 6V lead acid is basically dead at that voltage :(. No wonder the motor isn't turning.
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So he's patented this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_effect
No, you don't understand, it's clearly a re-discovery of previously suppressed technology by BIG BATTERY!
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The website is the grouse. Had me
convinced in stitches.
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Name dropping left right and centre ... and they're going for crowd funding!
But ... wait ...
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/energy-x-power!/?action=dlattach;attach=536049;image)
Zero Point energy !!! WHERE DO I SIGN?!
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For example – if you are a home somewhere in Sydney, the average energy demand and usage is about 5 kilowatts per day costing about $35.00 per day.
:palm:
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Yeah - I saw that ... and a few more things.
If I'd facepalmed every one, I would have slapped myself silly.
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"Impossible! No battery can recharge itself ever! I’m trained in electrics and this battery is doing something that it shouldn’t be doing?" - Frank P.
I bet you also think capacitance is the same as capacity as well Frank, PhD in electrics.
This has to be a parody for sure.
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"Impossible! No battery can recharge itself ever! I’m trained in electrics and this battery is doing something that it shouldn’t be doing?" - Frank P.
I bet you also think capacitance is the same as capacity as well Frank, PhD in electrics.
This has to be a parody for sure.
Technically, a battery has both. :P Although the capacitance is small and doesn't really matter as much as energy capacity.
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Reaffirming my rule that when the marketing mentions 'Quantum' anything, it it time to hang on to your wallet with both hands :palm:
Regards, Dan.
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I'm patenting self recharging electrolytic and film caps before the rest of you get your mitts on them! >:D
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I'm working on the self recharging potato battery and looking at the lemon version as well.
Shhhh........
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Just imagine if we could put 100 of these in an electric car!? Unlimited range?
:-DD
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But the electric motor didn't turn with this magic battery. Useless in an electric vehicle.
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If Nikola Tesla had left some descendants, his state would be filthy rich by only suing the people or companies that use his last name as a synonym of "black art" science.
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No way he tries to sell this in or from civilized countries where he gets sued.
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My money is on a successful crowdfunding campaign that does a 'Fontus'.
And by successful, I mean enough money to have made it worth the guy's while.
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Lol well I've been banned from commenting on that video and my comments have been removed.
Guess he didn't like me taking him up on his bet and calling out that the motor tries to spin at 3:22, but obviously cannot since there is no charge left.
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What exactly the crowd sourcing campain will deliver to the backers, dead batteries picked up from a local waste depot ? :-//
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ABN Registration records show it was registered for GST on 1st April 2018. :-DD
That has to be telling me something...
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We have some contact details:
Domain Name: energyxpower.com
Registry Domain ID: 2243753534_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com
Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com
Updated Date: 2018-03-26T06:21:31Z
Creation Date: 2018-03-26T06:21:30Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2019-03-26T06:21:30Z
Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC
Registrar IANA ID: 146
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@godaddy.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4806242505
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Registry Registrant ID: Not Available From Registry
Registrant Name: Robby Perkovic
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: Po Box 1114 Broadway
Registrant City: Ultimo
Registrant State/Province: New South Wales
Registrant Postal Code: 2007
Registrant Country: AU
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his linkedin is instructive https://au.linkedin.com/in/robby-perkovic-5359912a
Volunteer Staff Member
Church Of Scientology
Minister
Genesis II Church of Health and Healing
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his linkedin is instructive https://au.linkedin.com/in/robby-perkovic-5359912a
Volunteer Staff Member
Church Of Scientology
Minister
Genesis II Church of Health and Healing
Ahhh! That explains everything! The laws of physics can be overcome with fairy tails. Perhaps he thinks the general public can be as delusional as he is?
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his linkedin is instructive https://au.linkedin.com/in/robby-perkovic-5359912a
Volunteer Staff Member
Church Of Scientology
Minister
Genesis II Church of Health and Healing
Ahhh! That explains everything! The laws of physics can be overcome with fairy tails. Perhaps he thinks the general public can be as delusional as he is?
Thats a kinder reading than I would give him.
Exploitive scammer that leeches off kind hearted or desperate folks.
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abuse@godaddy.com
and that phone number seems like pertinant info. I think we should give them a call. >:D
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Someone posted this in Twitter:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DozC5NwUUAAXBcm.jpg)
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DooOoO EeeEEeet! 8) :popcorn:
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DooOoO EeeEEeet! 8) :popcorn:
It's a suckers bet.
Not because he'll win because his tech works, but because after wrestling with a pig in mud, you realise the pig is the winner no matter what.
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There's an old saying: "There's no such thing as bad publicity."
If Dave were to take this on, the result would inevitably require some degree of technical competence to fully appreciate the process and the outcomes. This immediately eliminates a significant proportion of a population - as those people would not be able to make an informed decision from their own assessment. This is where the facts and objectivity go out the window.
The charlatan simply labels those who agreed it's a fraud as ignorant dinosaurs and continues to spin their tale to the rest of the population that doesn't know any better.
The bottom line is that the proof of fraud effectively gets dismissed and the fraudster has received a grand amount of publicity - which they will add to their armoury of propaganda. They will then present the interaction as a victory and they will be successful because the people who are left will not have been able to understand the results - they will just believe whatever spin is put on it.
Edit:
For Dave, it's just as it was in the movie War Games - The only winning move is not to play.
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Didn't work out to well in the end for uBeam, Fontus, and the like now did it? Bad publicity only goes so far unless you want infamy. This one is also super easy to test and debunk, you don't need to know rocket science to demonstrate that a dead battery stays dead, no multimeter needed, just a load. You could even do it on live TV with an audience to ask questions.
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How did it end badly for Fontus, uBeam, etc.? The money got spent. The employees don't need to return their salaries and bonuses. I may be mistaken, but I don't think that anybody went to jail over it.
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Fontus went bankrupt, uBeam is on the way out, and Theranos did get busted. Don't know if stuff like Batterizer, Waterseer and the other crap companies are still about, but the point is scams don't last, they can be stopped. Of course a lot of the money can't be recovered, but the sooner they are stopped the better.
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... but the sooner they are stopped the better.
I agree wholeheartedly, but the unfortunate reality is that there will be "believers" who will hang in there until the bitter end. This isn't because of some potential in the product, but from the art of the con-man. It is this art, combined with the minds of those who want to believe that hobbles the effectiveness of any evidence to the contrary.
The fact that there have been abject failures in the past by "the establishment" declaring a certain technology or capability as impossible, doesn't help. For scammers, this is a trump card that was handed to them - and they can (and do) play it whenever they want.
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We need to approach these things in terms of "how to identify fraud". The signs, tachtics and methods of fraud and how to watch out for it. Basically, educate the public on how fraud works in general, not just in science. Beat them at their own game. Scam the scammers. There will always be nuts, but the public needs to learn to throw them under the street cleaners just like the flat-earthers.
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Someone posted this in Twitter:
"I am authorized (sic) to act as I determine" ??!
That is starting to sound a lot like pseudo-legal speak which is common among the Sovereign Citizen Movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement) (AKA: complete nut-jobs).
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It would be a good idea to begin snapshotting the website, because I'd expect their statements will be dynamically adapted as their idea will meet the reality.
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We need to approach these things in terms of "how to identify fraud". The signs, tachtics and methods of fraud and how to watch out for it. Basically, educate the public on how fraud works in general, not just in science. Beat them at their own game. Scam the scammers. There will always be nuts, but the public needs to learn to throw them under the street cleaners just like the flat-earthers.
Dave did a video on that very topic.
You may remember it: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser) (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-751-how-to-debunk-a-product-(the-batteriser)/msg687387/#msg687387)
Edit: Fixed URL
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Not just bogus products, but everything from phone scams to fake crap to ponzi schemes. People need to wise up and be at least a bit more sceptical.
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I was out getting lunch today in Ultimo (inner city Sydney, just a block from UTS) and there was a laminated ad for it stapled to a power pole.
Sadly my phone decided it didn't want to have a working camera at that time or I'd share a photo.
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I was out getting lunch today in Ultimo (inner city Sydney, just a block from UTS) and there was a laminated ad for it stapled to a power pole.
Wow, so he is a marketing genius as well. >:D
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If no one was looking you should have sharpie graffitied it with "FAKE!" >:D
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I was out getting lunch today in Ultimo (inner city Sydney, just a block from UTS) and there was a laminated ad for it stapled to a power pole.
Sadly my phone decided it didn't want to have a working camera at that time or I'd share a photo.
OMG, someone PLEASE get a photo of this!
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If I was going anywhere near the city, I'd make the detour. Unfortunately, I have nothing planned.
I was out getting lunch today in Ultimo (inner city Sydney, just a block from UTS) and there was a laminated ad for it stapled to a power pole.
Can you provide an exact location in case someone is in the area?
A satellite image with "X" marks the spot would be brilliant.
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I actually saw a second while out getting dinner last night too, the two locations are:
Wattle St, on the east side of the intersection with Kelly St (https://goo.gl/maps/R3LrEiF6ESu)
Bay St, on the west side, roughly near the intersection with Greek St (https://goo.gl/maps/BKB1RGeLZAL2)
Today has been a bit too wet & horrible to go wandering.
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The weather cleared up, and I was feeling like a walk, so I went and grabbed a photo.
The QR code is simply the website URL.
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Even the Ad has already started to leak! ;D
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That's what happens when you staple through the laminate ... and it rains. ::)
Considering they went to all the trouble of laminating the thing, it would have been nice if they had printed it in colour.
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Not because he'll win because his tech works, but because after wrestling with a pig in mud, you realise the pig is the winner no matter what.
And as well as the pig winning, you're both covered in shit.
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... Yes, but the pig loves it.
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If no one was looking you should have sharpie graffitied it with "FAKE!" >:D
I'd have done it while people were looking.
Why do people come up with these career ending schem scams.
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I just tear them down, those and the religious nuts who post graphic pictures of abortions near the church my kids go to.
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This one appears to be self destructing, yes it's leaking, hopefully the ink starts bleeding. They are too damn stupid to even use a piece of paper properly. ::) :palm:
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The ads on the poles disappeared some time last week.
I took another look at the site and it seems they've added some stuff, but their "launch" is still a few days away (roughly Saturday 10am Sydney time).
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As NEW technology keeps advancing the world's demand for power keeps increasing! It's a catch twenty two!
That's not at all a catch-22. moron.
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No blockchain? I'm not buying it.
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The world's demand for energy keeps increasing because people in places like China and India see our lifestyle and decide they want to do the same. :-+
The issue with fossil fuels isn't so much whether they can support us indefinitely, but whether they can support 10x that demand indefinitely. To which, even the Koch Brothers would probably say, 'No, they can't.'
In spite of hyped-up promotional material from their pipedreaming supporters, :bullshit: renewables can't even replace our existing fossil fuel usage. (2% of world energy or 7% of electricity currently comes from wind and solar, in spite of massive investments in that area.)
So, we need a new energy source. Fast breeders, thorium LFTR or fusion are the only ones we currently know of that are capable of doing the job. Fast breeders have some horrific safety issues. So, that leaves the other two.
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Although some pages now have a countdown clock of all zeros, the main page has been updated to 58 days left (or, just into 2019 for a "before the end of 2018" launch).
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Does the battery do quantum AND social?
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:-DD |O
One the funniest points in this campaign is how their "demonstration" video actually manages to show that it doesn't work. :-DD
All you get to see is probably a poor step-up inside a dead battery.
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I need to state openly to you, that I am not a Scientist or Electrical Engineer
Well that says a lot.
Everytime I hear along the lines:
Providing you with a Cleaner, Greener and Smarter form of energy, that is going to be GREAT for your pocket, GREAT for the environment and planet.
It annoys me and they have been doing this a lot.
It reminds me of that thing they did with water meters 10- 15 years ago saying it is smarter and good for your pocket and the environment and saving the planet by charging more of course.
Edit:
In the "Battery Demonstration"
No teardown video.
I find it hard to believe if I can't see what's inside.
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For example – if you are a home somewhere in Sydney, the average energy demand and usage is about 5 kilowatts per day costing about $35.00 per day.
:palm:
$1050 per month for 5KW of power per day!?! You poor, poor, SOBs.
:-DD
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So he's patented this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_effect
That poor 6V lead acid is basically dead at that voltage :(. No wonder the motor isn't turning.
Oh sweat jumping Jesus. You have got to be kidding me! This tard is selling the fact that that clapped out battery rebounds to some value under it's 'dead' voltage with no load as "self-recharge"? That's not even entertainment that's just stupidity.
"Now, will it get back up to 6V on it's own? No."
"Now will it run this motor? No"
:palm: :palm: :palm: |O |O |O
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Didn't work out to well in the end for uBeam, Fontus, and the like now did it? Bad publicity only goes so far unless you want infamy.
Yeah becasue they were stupid enough to get too big. The bigger it goes the more people start asking questions.
Pretty sure a single guy like this can keep tricking just enough small fish to fund himself for quite a while.
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For example – if you are a home somewhere in Sydney, the average energy demand and usage is about 5 kilowatts per day costing about $35.00 per day.
:palm:
$1050 per month for 5KW of power per day!?! You poor, poor, SOBs.
:-DD
Power isn't cheap here, but it's hardly that expensive, I'm probably somewhere around that usage for ~$100/month.
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The weather cleared up, and I was feeling like a walk, so I went and grabbed a photo.
The QR code is simply the website URL.
I missed the updates on this thread, that posted is hilarious!
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So he's patented this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_effect
That poor 6V lead acid is basically dead at that voltage :(. No wonder the motor isn't turning.
Oh sweat jumping Jesus. You have got to be kidding me! This tard is selling the fact that that clapped out battery rebounds to some value under it's 'dead' voltage with no load as "self-recharge"? That's not even entertainment that's just stupidity.
"Now, will it get back up to 6V on it's own? No."
"Now will it run this motor? No"
:palm: :palm: :palm: |O |O |O
Yet he formed a Pty Ltd company to do it and we have a crowd funding campaign lunch in 18 days :popcorn:
(https://i.imgur.com/WFYVIEf.png)
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Oh how quaint, a countdown. No way in hell they can uphold it because if they ever ship the gig is up. :bullshit:
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For example – if you are a home somewhere in Sydney, the average energy demand and usage is about 5 kilowatts per day costing about $35.00 per day.
:palm:
$1050 per month for 5KW of power per day!?! You poor, poor, SOBs.
:-DD
Power isn't cheap here, but it's hardly that expensive, I'm probably somewhere around that usage for ~$100/month.
Oh I'm sure... that figure was complete absurdity, even if you use special gnomes that can only make power with unicorn farts.
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Q8. Robby isn’t a Scientist…why has he been able to come up with the Xpower battery®?
A8. Right – As stated before, I am not a Scientist, but as an Entrepreneur I have a curious and creative mind with a desire to make a difference in the world. It was this underlying purpose that has lead to the incorporation of EnergyxPower with all that we are able to offer you and the world. In reflection, I can say that not being classically trained, is the only reason that the discovery of the Xpower battery® was possible…in the first place.
Otherwise, I would have been put in the same BOX with all the restrictions. You have to understand that this Technology was discovered by “mistake”; that is, by trial and error while being curious.
What could possibly go wrong.
Q11. Are there any special instructions for using the Xpower battery®?
A11. Not really. Just as you currently use your devices, when you turn off the T.V remote the Xpower battery® goes to work recharging itself....
But for devices such as smoke detectors that are left on until the battery dies and it starts “bleeping you,” you can just take out the Xpower battery® and leave it for a day so it recharges itself to the highest capacity possible before re-inserting or if you can’t/don’t like doing that; put in a new Xpower battery®, hold onto the old one, so it recharges itself for the next time you need a battery.
:palm:
https://energyxpower.com/frequently-asked-questions/
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Even free energy isn't enough savings, gotta fudge the original numbers too :-DD :palm:
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I'm slightly disappointed that the timer has run out yet no crowdfunding campaign has been launched :(
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I'm slightly disappointed that the timer has run out yet no crowdfunding campaign has been launched :(
They've reset it a few times now.
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Update email!
Hi there,
Firstly, I'd like to show our appreciation in getting behind what we are working on and towards within the company.
The goal to bring to market and lodge the xPower Battery has hit some expected and "unexpected" barriers, which is why
we have had to move the launch date forwards.
Despite those set backs, the good news is that the xPower Generator is moving closer to a completed product and market ready.
What they means, is an entirely new Cleaner, Greener and Smarter form of energy that Businesses, home owners and renters can access,
saving anywhere from 60-90% off their current energy bills by utilizing our xPower Generator which requires no, Wind, Solar, Coal or other
carbon emission technology. 300% carbon free emissions!!!
Without going into all the technology, we are walking closely in the steps of Nikola Tesla, the Genius responsible for the world today as far as
electricity, wi-fi, radio, RC and many other technologies goes....that all took place over 100 years ago.
To put some perspective on what it is being worked upon, WE are going to bring a "game changer" technology that is working with nature providing
a cleaner and cheaper form of electricity and energy for the entire world. Something that many LARGE companies do not want...regardless of what they say!
So our challengers and opposition is VERY large.
I am working on all aspects, BUT need all the help I can get. There are a few ways that you can personally help.
1. Share our story and mission with your contacts, friends and all that you can with.
2. Contact me directly, if you believe you can contribute towards the mission.
3. Engage with others that you meet and have time to speak with about what is possible and what is being
worked upon.
Just so it is clear, as a Start Up company, which is what EnergyxPower Pty Ltd is, we are limited by money available. For example, we have been approved by
the Australian Government for the Start Up Innovation fund with CSIRO, but requires funding that we don't currently have. With the aim of bringing the xPower Battery
and xPower Generator to market.
Despite that, we are still marching forwards with the goal to bring this transforming technology into the market working within Australia outwards as fast and competently as a company can do.
with regards
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Update email!
Hi there,
Firstly, I'd like to show our appreciation in getting behind what we are working on and towards within the company.
The goal to bring to market and lodge the xPower Battery has hit some expected and "unexpected" barriers, which is why
we have had to move the launch date forwards.
Despite those set backs, the good news is that the xPower Generator is moving closer to a completed product and market ready.
What they means, is an entirely new Cleaner, Greener and Smarter form of energy that Businesses, home owners and renters can access,
saving anywhere from 60-90% off their current energy bills by utilizing our xPower Generator which requires no, Wind, Solar, Coal or other
carbon emission technology. 300% carbon free emissions!!!
Without going into all the technology, we are walking closely in the steps of Nikola Tesla, the Genius responsible for the world today as far as
electricity, wi-fi, radio, RC and many other technologies goes....that all took place over 100 years ago.
To put some perspective on what it is being worked upon, WE are going to bring a "game changer" technology that is working with nature providing
a cleaner and cheaper form of electricity and energy for the entire world. Something that many LARGE companies do not want...regardless of what they say!
So our challengers and opposition is VERY large.
I am working on all aspects, BUT need all the help I can get. There are a few ways that you can personally help.
1. Share our story and mission with your contacts, friends and all that you can with.
2. Contact me directly, if you believe you can contribute towards the mission.
3. Engage with others that you meet and have time to speak with about what is possible and what is being
worked upon.
Just so it is clear, as a Start Up company, which is what EnergyxPower Pty Ltd is, we are limited by money available. For example, we have been approved by
the Australian Government for the Start Up Innovation fund with CSIRO, but requires funding that we don't currently have. With the aim of bringing the xPower Battery
and xPower Generator to market.
Despite that, we are still marching forwards with the goal to bring this transforming technology into the market working within Australia outwards as fast and competently as a company can do.
with regards
Aerospace grade, ultra dense alloy of Element 129, Balonium and 122, Bullshitium
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Update email!
I happened to check yesterday and noticed that they also reset the crowdfunding countdown.
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300% carbon free emissions!!!
Mathematics, schmatematics!
Also, better than eco friendly. It's oozing "green" all over.
Without going into all the technology,
You wouldn't understand it anyway.
we are walking closely in the steps of Nikola Tesla, the Genius
Anything that invokes the name of Tesla sells, right?
responsible for the world today as far as electricity, wi-fi, radio, RC and many other technologies goes....that all took place over 100 years ago.
He practically single handedly saved the world, so we are now going to proceed to one up him.
technology that is working with nature
:bullshit:
providing a cleaner and cheaper form of electricity and energy for the entire world.
The world is just the beginning. Next stop is the Universe itself. After that, we'll consider expanding.
Something that many LARGE companies do not want...regardless of what they say!
Big Energy is real, wake up sheeple!
So our challengers and opposition is VERY large.
Black helicopters are coming!