I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...

[ataradov]

The idea that anyone would believe this crap leave me at a loss for words.

Now wait a minute. I think we need to study this effect of diodes forming in wires. I think $10mil will cover this research nicely. Time to apply for government funding and/or KS.

I've also heard that this effect shows itself even more in Hawaii, so that's where we will establish the lab.

[Cerebus]

Now wait a minute. I think we need to study this effect of diodes forming in wires. I think $10mil will cover this research nicely. Time to apply for government funding and/or KS.

I've also heard that this effect shows itself even more in Hawaii, so that's where we will establish the lab.

The grants committee has considered your application and has approved it with one condition, They have been informed that the Earth's magnetic field is at the wrong angle in Hawaii, but fortuitously ideal conditions can be found in either Siberia or Kamchatka.

[gamalot]

Those are old fashioned resistor networks. 

[kalel]

Are there any review videos of these types of devices?

[peteb2]

The entire class of followers of Audiophoolery will never go away. I guess that if they have an enjoyment from listening to prerecorded music (etc) and that they have a massive and bottomless to most of us disposable income for such superfluous toys then i am not one to complain as long as they are not my neighbours cranking up the system in the wee hours.

I made the stupid move once to enter a HiFi AudioPhool Retail outlet (purely to see if there were any tube/valved systems and what the retailed for) hidden away in a quaint back alley of a busy city. There were other customers there one of whom eventually spoke to me and the conversation soon came to a point that it was all about the 'Sound'.

With 40+ years in electronics and much in Studio Broadcast maintenance  i took this  'believer' on a merry-go-round finishing with the classic that my ears are able to discern the mode by which the mains electricity operating any topend system has been generated, either by Hydro-turbine, Gas fired, Geo-thermal or Solar.... The chap agreed entirely...

Proof you can get these people to believe anything....

[vltr]

This is some shitty layout.

That's what I was thinking.  Looks like Eagle autoroute that hasn't even been tidied up.  Also, why socket the IC's and resistor networks? Sure I used to do it for TH projects so I could re-purpose the devices, but why?

The sockets obviously allow you to send it in to "The Guru" who for the low low price of $500 dollars with spend 3 months replacing each IC with genuine vintage NOS components originally specced for NASA.

[vk6zgo]

The entire class of followers of Audiophoolery will never go away. I guess that if they have an enjoyment from listening to prerecorded music (etc) and that they have a massive and bottomless to most of us disposable income for such superfluous toys then i am not one to complain as long as they are not my neighbours cranking up the system in the wee hours.

I made the stupid move once to enter a HiFi AudioPhool Retail outlet (purely to see if there were any tube/valved systems and what the retailed for) hidden away in a quaint back alley of a busy city. There were other customers there one of whom eventually spoke to me and the conversation soon came to a point that it was all about the 'Sound'.

With 40+ years in electronics and much in Studio Broadcast maintenance  i took this  'believer' on a merry-go-round finishing with the classic that my ears are able to discern the mode by which the mains electricity operating any topend system has been generated, either by Hydro-turbine, Gas fired, Geo-thermal or Solar.... The chap agreed entirely...

Proof you can get these people to believe anything....

I have a similar background to you, & have the same attitude to  the "Golden Ears" brigade.
On two separate occasions, though,I have been caught out when someone I had dismissed as a member of that group actually did hear something different.

The first occasion was when I was employed at a Manned country TV/FM site.
One bloke maintained that there was a phase error between the Stereo channels of the ABCFM  transmission.
Nobody else could hear it, though in fairness, we were listening in the quite noisy transmitter control room & he used Stereo headphones.

The ABC, unlike some others, sent baseband L & R out on the feed.
Because they had many remote sites, they, in conjunction with Telecom Aust, inserted very low level 15kHz pilot tones on each channel.

The device which monitored these was set up to determine loss of signal, not phase error, but it gave us something to look at.
And ,yes, there was a phase error.
It turns out that part of the feed was via landline.
One side of the Stereo pair failed, & the local Telecom Techs re-routed it via an extra 160km  work-around.
They were more used to finding feeds for Mono AM.

The next occasion was at a Commercial TV Station, where someone reported  low level "white noise" on the TV sound, on one particular Aural exciter.
We checked, couldn't hear it, or see anything with a Spectrum Analyser.
Called him a "Golden ear".
Ultimately, the exciter got worse,spreading the noise across the pass band.

[mcinque]

The first occasion was when I was employed at a Manned country TV/FM site.
We checked, couldn't hear it, or see anything with a Spectrum Analyser.
Called him a "Golden ear".
Ultimately, the exciter got worse,spreading the noise across the pass band.

So that bloke discovered noise that nobody else or even instruments can hear?
Sorry, I don't want to offend you, but unless he was the guy that injected before that noise intentionally just to fake discovering it after, I can't believe this story: if nobody else could hear it and it was not measurable, it wasn't real.

Also, could be interesting to know how many other "discoveries" that bloke did in years that wasn't correct as this you reported. I mean, it's like rabdomancy: just say there is water under this or that place and after 20 drillings you will find something for sure.

[ruffy91]

Most receivers and audio gear have lower noise floor than a spectrum analyser. So it's plausible.

[vk6zgo]

The first occasion was when I was employed at a Manned country TV/FM site.
We checked, couldn't hear it, or see anything with a Spectrum Analyser.
Called him a "Golden ear".
Ultimately, the exciter got worse,spreading the noise across the pass band.

So that bloke discovered noise that nobody else or even instruments can hear?
Sorry, I don't want to offend you, but unless he was the guy that injected before that noise intentionally just to fake discovering it after, I can't believe this story: if nobody else could hear it and it was not measurable, it wasn't real.

Also, could be interesting to know how many other "discoveries" that bloke did in years that wasn't correct as this you reported. I mean, it's like rabdomancy: just say there is water under this or that place and after 20 drillings you will find something for sure.

He heard some noise on one particular exciter, the real fault was on that exciter.
It wasn't really all that odd that he picked up on it, he was listening at home in a low ambient noise environment, whereas we listened to it in Master Control, with all the normal background noise of a busy TV Studio.

The fact that the SA didn't see it is not that unusual, either, as looking at it at the exciter output meant that it was very close to the first Sound Carrier, which probably hid it in the early stages of development.

Looking at the demodulated Audio meant running into the low frequency limitations of the Tektronix 7L12 plug in, where any noise was probably hidden by the "zero" mark of the SA.
My point here, was not that either of these people had some sort of "super sense", but that they listened for extended periods in excellent monitoring conditions, & picked up faults which were very hard to find otherwise.

If we had obtained a low frequency Spectrum Analyser & spent enough time, we would almost certainly have seen the noise.

[Jeroen3]

Most receivers and audio gear have lower noise floor than a spectrum analyser. So it's plausible.

How could they have determined this noise floor then?

Don't forget this 350 Euro ground wire.

[Mechatrommer]

hey dont blame the manufacturer. when there are customers there will be the market.

I disagree. This kind of bullshit is dramatically similar to homeopathy and false cancer cures; they exploit the ignorance of people that become victims.

in medical its different story. i've seen from time to time, a bunch of people who like to modify their car into hell car. the car become impractically slow on the road pissing off everybody behind. some of them even experience burnt car to the ground due to improper mod wiring. these people when you ask them to study hard in school they will show you a boring face but like to talk how good their car mod is, they struggle for the biggest speaker to blast their neighboorhood in the middle of the night. well, this bunch of people are the very right people as customers for this audio fool stuffs.

[SeanB]

This is some shitty layout.

That's what I was thinking.  Looks like Eagle autoroute that hasn't even been tidied up.  Also, why socket the IC's and resistor networks? Sure I used to do it for TH projects so I could re-purpose the devices, but why?

The sockets obviously allow you to send it in to "The Guru" who for the low low price of $500 dollars with spend 3 months replacing each IC with genuine vintage NOS components originally specced for NASA.

no, it is because the components and resistor networks will be contaminated by the burning in of the previous cable, and thus to burn in a new cable you have to replace all those parts, so the new cable will not get an unwanted colouration from the bad effects of those parts that have been subjected to the previous cable "newness" and which have thus been subjected to a parametric change that renders them unusable to be used on the new cable.

As well you will have to send it in for servicing every 20 cables or annually for a calibration and service, to ensure that all the internal cabling and connectors has not been contaminated by the burn in process, and that they will not cause any unwanted effects on the cables being burnt in. Calibration unfortunately is a long process, and might take a few months to accomplish correctly, so it is best to have 2 of the burn in units, so that you can have one in for calibration while using the other one.

Calibration and service unfortunately, due to the specialised and arduous testing required, does cost a little more, and is only $5000 per unit, postage and shipping to and from sadly being the customers responsibility, along with insurance. Payment with request for service only, by bank draft, International letter of credit, bank guaranteed cheque or cash with device only, due to unforseen circumstances that have occurred before.

[StillTrying]

Quantum QRT Resonance Technology
QKORE GROUND UNIT

only £4,900.00 for an empty aluminium box.

http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20QKORE.htm

The contents of this site are not meant to mislead.

LOL

[Spuddevans]

I wonder how long you should "burn in" the "burn in" device before using it to "burn in" cables 

Tim

[Cerebus]

I wonder how long you should "burn in" the "burn in" device before using it to "burn in" cables 

Tim

2 hours, 1200 C.

[Jeroen3]

Quantum QRT Resonance Technology
QKORE GROUND UNIT

only £4,900.00 for an empty aluminium box.

http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20QKORE.htm

They work even better when you put the empty boxes on fancy cones.

[mcinque]

only £4,900.00 for an empty aluminium box.

Except that is not alluminium but a "special magic tesla quantum proprietary alloy", I'm unable to understand how that would create ground.

[mcinque]

Nordost has reached a level of ridiculousness that I never encountered before.

"a fluid that can be wiped on the surface of cables to disperse existing static charge as well as inhibit future accumulation. The effects are easily heard, with a dramatic increase in the sense of life and presence, greater transparency, wider dynamics and richer colors."

"ECO 3X is also very effective for treating Compact Discs. When applied to the label side of a CD you will notice a large improvement in sound quality, as stray electrical charges that build up on the discs are removed. Eliminating this noise at the source results in a much more detailed and musical performance."


http://www.nordost.com/accessories/eco-3x.php
http://www.analogueseduction.net/cable-treatment/nordost-eco-3x-static-inhibitor.html

Water and maybe aroma, just €44.75

[taydin]

It isn't possible to make any fraud claims for these, because the human hearing and the satisfaction that you are getting from your 10K cable cannot be quantified by court. So if the sucker likes the sound of that cable and is willing to shell out the money, then who's to blame the manufacturer?

[Ian.M]

They are definitely bad boys.  Nordost is incorporated in the USA but they don't publish a MSDS for their 'ECO 3X' fluid.   

[taydin]

Those guys at Nordost are highly acclaimed artist even !!! 

Firstly, they master the art of creating advanced bullshit marketing paragraphs, which sound quite plausible to the uninitiated.
And secondly, they master the art of robbing somebody of their hard earned cash and having the victim thank them and shake their hand after the fact

[ataradov]

I'm not sure if that cash is so hard earned, when you can spare $9000 for a cable. That's for rich people, that learned the magic of compound interest.

[mcinque]

It isn't possible to make any fraud claims for these, because the human hearing and the satisfaction that you are getting from your 10K cable cannot be quantified by court. So if the sucker likes the sound of that cable and is willing to shell out the money, then who's to blame the manufacturer?

Of course but I think it's not dignified to make money by exploiting people's technical ignorance.

[ataradov]

Of course but I think it's not dignified to make money by exploiting people's technical ignorance.

It is not about technical ignorance, it is about lack of critical thinking. And I believe it is perfectly fine to exploit that.

And sometimes it is also about showing off. There is no reason anyone needs $100000 Vertu Android phone, but certain groups of people consider it cool and a status symbol.