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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #125 on: December 08, 2018, 07:33:35 pm »
If someone can afford $10k on a set of cables then you’re doing a public service taking their money away so it isn’t used on other crazy things like ammunition and guns  :-DD
 

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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #126 on: December 08, 2018, 08:23:35 pm »
Oh, and if we are going to work out the most expensive wire, then may I present:
https://highend-electronics.com/products/audio-magic-ultimate-beeswax-shd-fuse?variant=2513608638493

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"extremely difficult to build considering Audio Magic is drilling into both sides of the fuse"

This sounds like they buy standard hollow 19 cent glass fuses, then drill holes and fill it with something, really bees wax? And then print a label on it. I don't care if audiophools buy a $1 million speaker cable, but manipulation a fuse in such a way might be a fire hazard and even illegal to sell. Someone should buy it, test it professionally, and then sue the company who sells it.
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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #127 on: December 09, 2018, 12:34:13 am »
Very true. I might ask them about their CE approval  :-DD
 

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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #128 on: December 10, 2018, 10:25:58 am »
Here is a closeup:


It seems have got two powdery things and some kind of liquid in the middle.

I wonder if that stuff can become conductive and it prevents the fuse from blowing in normal circumstances.

If it does blow up the Beeswax will hit the "fans".
 

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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #129 on: December 10, 2018, 11:27:39 pm »
Here is a closeup:


It seems have got two powdery things and some kind of liquid in the middle.

I wonder if that stuff can become conductive and it prevents the fuse from blowing in normal circumstances.

If it does blow up the Beeswax will hit the "fans".
That's insane, they've recycled standard fuses and filled them with their bullshit magic formula.

I wonder if the original manufacturer can be determined?
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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #130 on: December 11, 2018, 12:47:24 am »
I wonder if the original manufacturer can be determined?

From the closeup photo are the Verband Deutscher Electrotechniker (Germany - VDE) & Svenska Elektriska Materielkontrollanstalten (Sweden - SEMKO) approval marks, otherwise the numbers look to be IEC127.

Searching for more images just makes me think they probably buy a box of "whatever" from a wholesaler. Before modification they're almost certainly decent fuses that meet their specs.
 
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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #131 on: December 11, 2018, 01:17:36 am »
I'm really curious to know how many of those $35K cables were sold ... If it's a one man operation, just 5 a year would be enough  ;D
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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #132 on: December 11, 2018, 01:29:34 am »
I suspect they are selling at least a few per year. You can find one of those ridiculous mains cable on eBay, if it is not a sock puppet account of the manufacturer. And the MasterBuild website lists many distributors, the Nordost website even more: Just for Germany they list one distributor, and 59 dealers. Looks like there are really some fools out there who buys this stuff.
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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #133 on: December 11, 2018, 02:45:36 am »
I wonder if the original manufacturer can be determined?

From the closeup photo are the Verband Deutscher Electrotechniker (Germany - VDE) & Svenska Elektriska Materielkontrollanstalten (Sweden - SEMKO) approval marks, otherwise the numbers look to be IEC127.

Searching for more images just makes me think they probably buy a box of "whatever" from a wholesaler. Before modification they're almost certainly decent fuses that meet their specs.

I think these things need to be brought to the attention of whatever local body monitors electrical safety standards in your country.
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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #134 on: December 11, 2018, 05:15:18 pm »
I suspect they are selling at least a few per year. You can find one of those ridiculous mains cable on eBay, if it is not a sock puppet account of the manufacturer. And the MasterBuild website lists many distributors, the Nordost website even more: Just for Germany they list one distributor, and 59 dealers. Looks like there are really some fools out there who buys this stuff.

Looking at the feedback it seems he buys from China and sells things as well as those cables.



It is a cable and it is going to be plugged in most to all of the time so why bother putting a lock on it and why would anybody want to steal that peace of crap anyway and if they did they'd just smash the box open.

Or is it so precious it is intended not to be used at all but to be kept in there like a piece of jewellery for sentimentalists except this one does not have got any gold in it.
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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #135 on: December 11, 2018, 07:03:21 pm »
Is that a wooden ferrite core on that lead?  :-DD
 

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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #136 on: December 11, 2018, 07:59:02 pm »
Is that a wooden ferrite core on that lead?  :-DD
Everybody knows that wooden ferrite cores on power cables give you much more airy and natural timbre midtones with crisp and warm lows, but without the obvious sibilant and harsh highs you get with actual ferrite.
Furthermore, it strikes a positive balance with the natural wood the speaker enclosures are made from, resulting in lush and harmonious listening experience. They actively help in reducing noise in the mains, caused by outside factors, by adding positive mass to the cables themselves and enhancing the overall audio system.
Wooden ferrite cores likely have the highest cost/benefit ratio you could possibly invest in, and are a must for every serious and discerning audiophool.

I have a few in my shop, if you're interested. They're on Christmas season discount and usually sell for only $750, but with a 20% off coupon you can get them for $600.


How many do you think I would sell if I posted this on an audiophool forum?
 
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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #137 on: December 11, 2018, 09:48:35 pm »
Is that a wooden ferrite core on that lead?  :-DD
Everybody knows that wooden ferrite cores on power cables give you much more airy and natural timbre midtones with crisp and warm lows, but without the obvious sibilant and harsh highs you get with actual ferrite.

Surely you mean 'natural timber'?
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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #138 on: December 11, 2018, 10:01:01 pm »
I was actually debating with myself which one to use, but opted for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbre
Can't be fooling around here, can I? This is serious stuff. Lot's of money involved.
Although it would be funny if the core screamed "TIMBER!!!" at random intervals.

Inclusion of "highest cost/benefit ratio" should be enough of a pun.
 
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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #139 on: December 12, 2018, 01:59:57 am »
Is that a wooden ferrite core on that lead?  :-DD
Everybody knows that wooden ferrite cores on power cables give you much more airy and natural timbre midtones with crisp and warm lows, but without the obvious sibilant and harsh highs you get with actual ferrite.

Surely you mean 'natural timber'?
Natural timber timbre midtones.
 

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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #140 on: December 12, 2018, 05:31:56 am »
Is that a wooden ferrite core on that lead?  :-DD
Everybody knows that wooden ferrite cores on power cables give you much more airy and natural timbre midtones with crisp and warm lows, but without the obvious sibilant and harsh highs you get with actual ferrite.

Surely you mean 'natural timber'?
Natural timber timbre midtones.

Pine for Bjork, Oak for British music, Sequoia for American, Maple Canadian etc..
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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #141 on: December 12, 2018, 08:29:47 am »
I usually follow the musings of Paul McGowan at his company's (PS Audio) channel on youtube. He has some good takes, but I was put off by one of his videos where he talks about the green pen and the performance mains cables sold by his company.
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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #142 on: December 12, 2018, 09:17:21 am »
Is that a wooden ferrite core on that lead?  :-DD
Everybody knows that wooden ferrite cores on power cables give you much more airy and natural timbre midtones with crisp and warm lows, but without the obvious sibilant and harsh highs you get with actual ferrite.

Surely you mean 'natural timber'?
Natural timber timbre midtones.

Pine for Bjork, Oak for British music, Sequoia for American, Maple Canadian etc..




Let's not forget the Maple and Mahogany wooden ferrite core plug-ons when listening to guitar based AOR tunes  8)

Besides the obvious timbre/timber benefits, the wooden ferrite acts as an electrical isolation barrier

especially in harsh hi-fi placement situations like on a polished wood floor with steel frame underneath of unknown grade,
added with the conflicts of deploying dissimilar weld joint and fastener metals used by clueless builder/tradies who can't appreciate a proper listening environment for hip hop and Bach mashups   

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Hey, we know you're here lurking and copy-pasting.
And we know you use plain figure 8 for speaker cabling, used 50 cent swap meet IEC kettle cords and $2 shop RCA cables in your personal hi-fi rigs.
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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #143 on: December 12, 2018, 01:56:14 pm »

 I only buy audio components which are perfectly impedance matched over the entire range from 5 Hz to 100 KHz.

Thus I require that any commercial audio cables I purchase  include a test report using a Keysight E5061B-3L3 with the 1E5 High Stability Timebase option from 5 Hz to 100 KHz for the serial number of the cable as well as the NIST calibration certificate with data and uncertainties for the most recent calibration of the E5061B.

After all, a person cannot be too careful.  Your ears are irreplaceable.  Just think of the damage that poor quality audio components can cause.  I am shocked at the utter disregard of certain forum members to this vitally important issue.
 

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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #144 on: December 12, 2018, 07:10:33 pm »
I'm really curious to know how many of those $35K cables were sold ...
Well, I sincerely hope that no one. Because the cable for a modest $ 7,000 was enough to cause this: https://www.amazon.com/review/R3I8VKTCITJCX6  :-DD
 
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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #145 on: December 13, 2018, 12:21:44 am »
At least there is no "verified purchase" review. But I guess the persons who buy such a cable don't use Amazon, they are too busy swimming in their money, and their servants buy this for them from special audiophool shops :)
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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #146 on: December 13, 2018, 01:16:38 am »

 I only buy audio components which are perfectly impedance matched over the entire range from 5 Hz to 100 KHz.

Thus I require that any commercial audio cables I purchase  include a test report using a Keysight E5061B-3L3 with the 1E5 High Stability Timebase option
That would require a cable manufacturer to spend as much as they charge for a speaker wire. Unacceptable capital investment.  ;D
 

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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #147 on: December 15, 2018, 09:35:50 am »
I like the part where they used Coat Hangers and the "Audiophiles" could not tell the difference;
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm
 

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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #148 on: December 15, 2018, 10:22:45 am »
I like the part where they used Coat Hangers and the "Audiophiles" could not tell the difference;

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

As long as you prep the ends with sandpaper and some Deoxit (or metho or WD40 to go the full frugal route) coathangers can sound quite airy and detailed even with the .5 ohm resistance added  :clap:

Another plus is the convenience to easily disable one of the speakers temporarily
if you get locked out of your car  ;D
 

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Re: The discerning audiophile's choice of proper speaker wire. ($35,000 for 2.5m)
« Reply #149 on: December 16, 2018, 03:34:01 am »
coathangers can sound quite airy and detailed

I find that using them leads to too many hanging notes.
 
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