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Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« on: April 20, 2018, 05:06:53 pm »
Hi all,

Not had a chance to download and update my Eagle to version 9 - anyone tried the new features?

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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2018, 09:08:17 pm »
I download it but have not used it.
 

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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2018, 04:50:13 am »
https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/eagle-version-9-is-here-nothing-short-of-awesome/td-p/7940181

A little too much "amazing", "cool" and "awesome" for my bullshit radar :D
 
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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2018, 05:06:30 am »
I am scheduled to try it out next week.

Most interested in the differential routing claims. The Eagle team is clearly putting in a lot of effort. Perhaps it will soon cross over into professional system.
I am already LOVING the ability to pass the data back and forth with Fusion360. For that reason, I bailed on Solidworks after 20+ years.

They are going in a good direction.
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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2018, 05:59:23 am »
The new features, and particularly quickroute and the design manager, are really good useful additions.

Not sure if I'll ever use Eagle again though, I might miss it a bit more now.
 

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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2018, 06:42:38 pm »
The improvements and new features of Eagle over the past year are impressive compared to the very slow evolution before Autodesk took over.

I  have been steadily using Eagle despite its shortcomings. I will certainly continue with the new version and wonder what will be the evolution  in the coming year.

In the  version 9.  the new routing  options are particularly nice.

I should say nevertheless that I am using only the free version, as I am not  restrained with the limited area for my hobby boards. 
 

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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2018, 09:21:12 pm »
Do i read this right ? Are they seriosly asking the customers for a subscription ?  :wtf:
 

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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2018, 10:16:13 pm »
Do i read this right ? Are they seriosly asking the customers for a subscription ?  :wtf:

Yes they are, and this is not new - they did it when they transitioned from 7.x to 8.x.  I had plenty to say when they did it then.  No matter how good it may become, the very *method* of their subscription enforcement now makes it an unworkable product for what I personally do. 

Dave did a video on this at the time. 
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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2018, 10:51:44 pm »
Do i read this right ? Are they seriosly asking the customers for a subscription ?  :wtf:

Yes they are, and this is not new - they did it when they transitioned from 7.x to 8.x.  I had plenty to say when they did it then.  No matter how good it may become, the very *method* of their subscription enforcement now makes it an unworkable product for what I personally do. 

Dave did a video on this at the time.


This is more affirmation that the subscription method is killing the product, everyone seems to get it except Autodesk! I mean, don't they notice the few people who buy it vs what they expected?!

It seems like a money laundry product  :-DD
 

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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2018, 01:54:37 am »
My Eagle computer has been disconnected from the internet for quite a while. Still works fine. All my files are local, but not on the workstation.

The subscription concept is one of the bigger reasons I am still using Eagle. I was able to bundle Fusion360 and Eagle to replace Solidworks, Mastercam, and an older version of Eagle.

I was gearing up to finance a big number and still have huge annual maintenance costs out of pocket. My guess is that Autodesk is gaining more ground than they are losing. Some have totally legitimate reasons for not doing subscription, some are just emotional.

Me..... I like the cash flow improvement and I like Fusion360 better than Solidworks and Mastercam.

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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2018, 01:57:23 am »
I am scheduled to try it out next week.

Most interested in the differential routing claims. The Eagle team is clearly putting in a lot of effort. Perhaps it will soon cross over into professional system.
I am already LOVING the ability to pass the data back and forth with Fusion360. For that reason, I bailed on Solidworks after 20+ years.

They are going in a good direction.
Note that Solidworks now also offers integration with what basically is CS.
 

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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2018, 02:28:34 am »
Interesting for sure. A little late for me, but they clearly see the need.

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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2018, 02:34:28 am »
Do i read this right ? Are they seriosly asking the customers for a subscription ?  :wtf:

Yes, and they flat out lied about their intent. Stating there were no plans to go subscription mere weeks before doing exactly that. They're either liars or grossly incompetent, who can trust them?
 

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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2018, 03:04:26 am »
I knew that eagle went on subscription. I was just suprised that it looks like(at least it looks to me) they are begging for subscribers.
 

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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2018, 03:09:09 am »
"We extended the 14-day offline limit to 30 days to ensure you aren’t stuck in a dark corner of the globe, cursing the EAGLE development team.  :)"

Getting the point without getting it.
 

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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2018, 03:12:20 am »
The improvements and new features of Eagle over the past year are impressive compared to the very slow evolution before Autodesk took over.
Either Cadsoft had a really small team, or Autodesk is releasing minimum viable code.
 

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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2018, 03:19:13 am »
The improvements and new features of Eagle over the past year are impressive compared to the very slow evolution before Autodesk took over.

Also, bugs, instabilities and incompatibilities have skyrocketed since V8. Guess that's the price you pay for fast development.
They now also broke their ULP's (User Language Programming), a very powerful scripting language using C syntax.
But hey, they promised that they will replace it with something "better" in the future...

Even if they should drop the subcription only option, I'm not sure if want to "upgrade" after seeing all the troubles on their forum.
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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2018, 05:18:31 am »
Having worked in software, I can say that's the direction much of the industry has gone, much to my dismay. Ship the minimum viable product, add features and fix all the bugs "later", shifting the QA task over to the customer. Everything is in a constant state of flux, changes go live with minimal testing, new bugs are introduced on a constant basis, as a customer it sucks.

Of course I can see why the industry has gone this directly, with software and hardware having reached a plateau software companies were fast running out of ways to entice people into upgrading to the latest version. When a person can not too unreasonably upgrade PCs and software on a 10 year cycle now rather than the 1-2 year cycle of the past it's easy to see why software companies have been in a panic trying to find a way to keep extracting money from customers. With that of course they have to find a way to spin it such that it can be portrayed as an advantage to the customer. FUD about security and overly hyped new features nobody asked for abound.
 

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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2018, 06:06:15 am »
They now also broke their ULP's (User Language Programming), a very powerful scripting language using C syntax.

What do you mean broke their ULP's? I write ULP's for various things all the time and nothing seems broken to me??

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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2018, 07:26:28 am »
They now also broke their ULP's (User Language Programming), a very powerful scripting language using C syntax.

What do you mean broke their ULP's? I write ULP's for various things all the time and nothing seems broken to me??

Best Regards,

Rachael

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/some-custom-ulps-do-not-work-anymore-after-installing-version-8/td-p/7626803

It seems to be resolved for now.

Can't imagine the fun if you get hit with something like that and you need to meet a deadline....

Don't get me wrong, most software show bugs now and then, also Eagle V7.
But the number of weird bugs since V8 is quiet shocking. It's like they didn't even bother to test it.
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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2018, 07:57:31 am »
https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/some-custom-ulps-do-not-work-anymore-after-installing-version-8/td-p/7626803

It seems to be resolved for now.

Can't imagine the fun if you get hit with something like that and you need to meet a deadline....

Don't get me wrong, most software show bugs now and then, also Eagle V7.
But the number of weird bugs since V8 is quiet shocking. It's like they didn't even bother to test it.

The 'technical debt' in the EAGLE code base has to be truly staggering.  Rest assured, there is a reason why CadSoft wasn't implementing these fancy new features at a pace that their users were happy with.  They were probably scared to touch the code in question, likely with some justification.  Been there/done that, unfortunately. :(
 

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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2018, 08:06:50 am »
https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/some-custom-ulps-do-not-work-anymore-after-installing-version-8/td-p/7626803

Yeah that was ages ago and it wasn’t ULP broken it was passing the part involved in a right click context menu custom entry to ULP as a group so you could access it with ingroup(). It was a minor issue which they fixed almost immediately.

How about looking instead at all the positive things they’ve done? Fusion360 integration, SPICE built right in to the schematic editor, Live DRC, Push and Shove, Manufacturing preview, in v9 the design manager makes a huge difference, the new rip up modes in the rip tool make it much more powerful, in the schematic the new bus functionality and the component breakout features make working with busses much more slick. I had a ULP previously to do proper bus management but the new built in feature does away with that. There’s an awful lot of really positive things happening to EAGLE if you take the time to look. Yes there are bugs, and yes there have been stability issues but they tend to fix most of them quite quickly when they are found in the minor number point releases which are bug fix only releases.

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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2018, 08:57:55 am »
How about looking instead at all the positive things they’ve done?
The one negative thing they've done (subscription) paired with the lack of software-stability after telling lies has so much weight, that this is not an option.
 

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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2018, 09:03:25 am »

Also, bugs, instabilities and incompatibilities have skyrocketed since V8. Guess that's the price you pay for fast development.
They now also broke their ULP's (User Language Programming), a very powerful scripting language using C syntax.


I have not run into any serious bugs and the ULP's work just fine.
Are you willing to be specific or just spreading rumors?

How about looking instead at all the positive things they’ve done?
The one negative thing they've done (subscription) paired with the lack of software-stability after telling lies has so much weight, that this is not an option.

What stability issues are you referring to? I have not had any stability issues at all. Keep in mind, I am a user that is quite critical of Eagle. I am, however, giving them some credit for pushing the system in a positive direction overall.

As for the subscription model - I have not heard many arguments that I interpret as reasonable. I can see it being a problem in some cases for sure, but the loudest and most critical seem to be arguing from a position of emotions.
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Re: Eagle 9 - any thoughts?
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2018, 11:00:09 am »
I don't rent software, period, there are other arguments but this is the only one I need. Since I'm the potential customer I'm the one who gets to call those shots, otherwise I go elsewhere, which is what I've done.
 
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