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Offline jgarc063

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Re: Imagine you have a deadline...
« Reply #75 on: March 11, 2017, 04:33:28 AM »
Hi All,

Just to follow up, the outage that Karel is referring to was resolved within a few hours and today everything is working as expected.

As always let me know if there's anything I can do for you guys.

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Re: Imagine you have a deadline...
« Reply #76 on: March 11, 2017, 06:00:54 AM »
Hi All,

Just to follow up, the outage that Karel is referring to was resolved within a few hours and today everything is working as expected.

As always let me know if there's anything I can do for you guys.

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia

Hi Jorge,

Why are you saying this? That it was solved "in a few hours" does it make less important?
What about the lost productivity? Doesn't it proof that Eagle v8 is unreliable? Not now and not in the future?
We never had those kind of problems with versions before v8.

What about all the other problems (blank screen, proxy/firewall).
What about the fact that v8 users are guinea pigs for autodesk?

Let me know if there's something else I can do for you.

Best Regards,
Karel
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Re: Imagine you have a deadline...
« Reply #77 on: March 11, 2017, 09:03:14 AM »
 :horse:

They get it. They know the change in licencing is near universally unpopular with established users. They know they've lost business and goodwill. They know that a big portion of users will head to other software. There's been no indication of a backtrack through Jorge or Matt B. This is their decision. I don't agree with it, and I'm a bit sad my investment into their software has hit a dead end. Like many others, I will continue to use my v7.7 and transition to something else when/if I need to. In the meantime I hope the old forums and archives of ULPs/scripts remain accessible.

I'd be happy to be surprised, but don't think its likely. How long did the about-face take when this happened the last time?
 
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Re: Imagine you have a deadline...
« Reply #78 on: March 11, 2017, 09:17:19 AM »
It's so much uglier since they said just a few months earlier that subscription model was not even being considered. What a load of horseshit. They (as in upper management at least) knew damn well that was the plan, unless they are grossly incompetent and acquired Eagle without having a plan. They lied to placate the existing customer base.
 

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Re: Imagine you have a deadline...
« Reply #79 on: March 29, 2017, 05:35:11 PM »
Eagle 8.1 on Ubuntu:

nouveau: kernel rejected pushbuf: No such file or directory
nouveau: ch6: krec 0 pushes 0 bufs 2 relocs 0
nouveau: ch6: buf 00000000 00000002 00000004 00000004 00000000
nouveau: ch6: buf 00000001 00000006 00000004 00000000 00000004
nouveau: kernel rejected pushbuf: No such file or directory
nouveau: ch6: krec 0 pushes 0 bufs 2 relocs 0
nouveau: ch6: buf 00000000 00000002 00000004 00000004 00000000
nouveau: ch6: buf 00000001 00000006 00000004 00000000 00000004
nouveau: kernel rejected pushbuf: No such file or directory
nouveau: ch6: krec 0 pushes 0 bufs 2 relocs 0
nouveau: ch6: buf 00000000 00000004 00000004 00000004 00000000
nouveau: ch6: buf 00000001 00000006 00000004 00000000 00000004
nouveau: kernel rejected pushbuf: No such file or directory
nouveau: ch6: krec 0 pushes 0 bufs 10 relocs 0
nouveau: ch6: buf 00000000 00000002 00000004 00000004 00000000
nouveau: ch6: buf 00000001 00000006 00000004 00000000 00000004
nouveau: ch6: buf 00000002 0000003e 00000002 00000002 00000000
nouveau: ch6: buf 00000003 00000023 00000002 00000002 00000000
nouveau: ch6: buf 00000004 00000007 00000002 00000002 00000000
nouveau: ch6: buf 00000005 00000008 00000002 00000002 00000000
nouveau: ch6: buf 00000006 0000000b 00000002 00000002 00000000
nouveau: ch6: buf 00000007 0000000a 00000002 00000002 00000002
nouveau: ch6: buf 00000008 0000000f 00000002 00000000 00000002
nouveau: ch6: buf 00000009 00000010 00000002 00000000 00000002
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

We never had those kind of problems before autodesk came into play  :palm:
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Re: Imagine you have a deadline...
« Reply #80 on: Yesterday at 02:58:18 AM »
Hi Karel,

I hope you're having a good day. This is an issue between the nouveau graphics driver and Qt. They are aware of this issue and are working on a fix, you can see the bug report here.
https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-41242

There are a few workarounds on that bug report which may help getting EAGLE to work on your system. If you are open to the idea of using a different video driver then that may be the simplest solution although, I understand that is not an option for everyone.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia
 

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Re: Imagine you have a deadline...
« Reply #81 on: Yesterday at 03:17:23 AM »
I hope you're having a good day. This is an issue between the nouveau graphics driver and Qt. They are aware of this issue and are working on a fix, you can see the bug report here.
https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-41242

The bug is marked as critical, but open since 2014. I guess this could take a while :=\
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Re: Imagine you have a deadline...
« Reply #82 on: Yesterday at 04:13:03 AM »
Hi Karel,

I hope you're having a good day. This is an issue between the nouveau graphics driver and Qt. They are aware of this issue and are working on a fix, you can see the bug report here.
https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-41242

There are a few workarounds on that bug report which may help getting EAGLE to work on your system. If you are open to the idea of using a different video driver then that may be the simplest solution although, I understand that is not an option for everyone.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia

Hi Jorge,

I hope you are doing well.
All those problems started to arise when autodesk started to touch Eagle.
No problems so far with V6 & V7.

The idea to change graphics driver is ridiculous.
What's the next step, to change operating system?

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Kind Regards,
Karel


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Expensive tools cannot compensate for lack of experience.
 

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Re: Imagine you have a deadline...
« Reply #83 on: Yesterday at 04:23:22 AM »
The bug report Jorge posted is from an alpha version of Qt. I hope Autodesk didn't use this for Eagle?

For my Qt projects I always use a stable version, and not the latest stable version. Better wait until a version is mature and all the known major bugs for it are fixed.
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Re: Imagine you have a deadline...
« Reply #84 on: Yesterday at 07:49:43 AM »
Hi FrankBuss,

We don't use an alpha version of Qt for EAGLE. However, Qt like most projects shows when the bug was first discovered since the case is still open it means this is still an issue. If you read through the comments fixes for the issue exist they just haven't been pushed upstream, from the little I read of their discussion it seems to be a politics issue with the main dev of the Nouveau driver.

In any case, there are ways to deal with the issue in the meantime so it's possible to get EAGLE running in environments that use that driver.

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia

 
 

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Re: Imagine you have a deadline...
« Reply #85 on: Yesterday at 05:32:13 PM »
The best way to deal with all the issues is to stay away from V8...
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Re: Imagine you have a deadline...
« Reply #86 on: Yesterday at 05:37:27 PM »
As many issues as I have with what Autodesk is doing with Eagle, this is not an Eagle issue or even a Qt issue: This is Nouveau not being ready for use. It is not Autodesk's fault that the driver you choose to use is not ready for use in the real world.
 

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Re: Imagine you have a deadline...
« Reply #87 on: Yesterday at 07:39:18 PM »
As many issues as I have with what Autodesk is doing with Eagle, this is not an Eagle issue or even a Qt issue: This is Nouveau not being ready for use. It is not Autodesk's fault that the driver you choose to use is not ready for use in the real world.

Albeit I agree with you, at least partly, the fact remains that V6 & V7 works fine with the Nouveau driver.
In the past, Cadsoft did most (if not all) of the development on Linux and because of that, bugs were catched in an early stadium.

It is autodesk who decided to completely change their development and testing process.

It is autodesk who decided to rip apart Eagle and build it up again and use paying clients to be their guinea pigs.

The difference between theory and practice is less in theory than
the difference between theory and practice in practice.
Expensive tools cannot compensate for lack of experience.
 


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