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Offline KoningTosti

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The Autodesk Eagle edition
« on: January 12, 2017, 09:02:28 PM »
Hi all,

I just noticed something interresting on the EAGLE wbsite. Look at the attachment. Autodesk is doing a "huge" update on EAGLE. Probably some Fusion 360 integration as was mentioned in an earlier thread. I was just in the market for a new CAD package and this could be interesting. Originally looking at circuitstudio, but in our small company  one of the employees is using Linux. This could be an interesting option.

What do you think? Will this release change the way we should look at EAGLE? If the new routing is good, it will be a massive improvement over the previous version of EAGLE.
 
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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2017, 09:51:54 PM »
In the thread where the Autodesk acquisition of Eagle was discussed we had Matt (http://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=121542) who was (still is?) from Autodesk and was answering questions. Perhaps if you can engage him in this conversation you may get interesting information.

There might even be some information on that thread (http://www.eevblog.com/forum/eda/autodesk-buys-eagle/) but I haven't read it in a while.

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2017, 03:46:35 AM »
You guys have no idea the awesome that is about to drop.  ;D

That screenshot only shows a few of the new things coming, there's even more that isn't shown on that screen.

Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to say much. I do encourage everyone to join the Hack-chat happening tomorrow on hackaday.
http://hackaday.com/2017/01/11/friday-hack-chat-eagle-pcb-design-with-matt-berggren

Matt and I will be available to answer questions and discuss.

Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

Best Regards,
Jorge Garcia

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2017, 12:56:51 AM »
I am really waiting for this EAGLE update.
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2017, 01:25:20 AM »
will the small board user still get the use of the product for free?
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2017, 01:45:07 AM »
And will hobbyists like myself that paid for the Make edition have an appropriate upgraded version?
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2017, 02:32:18 AM »
Consider this: http://www.eaglecentral.ca/index.php/t/49854/cd18344752fa135d4190b59a5e6a95f9/

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Dear Valued EAGLE Customer,

With the release of EAGLE v7, CadSoft Computer introduced a new
License Management system for EAGLE in order to better protect
our intellectual property and offer more flexibility and control
to customers with multi-user licenses on a network. During the
two weeks since the launch of EAGLE v7, we have been listening
carefully to your constructive feedback and concerns about the
new License Management technology and have decided to remove the
license management features from EAGLE v7.

CadSoft Computer has always, and will always, put the customer
needs at the focus of everything we do. We understand that for a
large group of our customers the current License Management is
causing limitations or is simply not usable in your current work
flow. Therefore, we have decided to withdraw the new License
Management system with immediate effect. As of the 11th of August,
2014, all new EAGLE licenses will be delivered without a License
Management Tool. All current EAGLE v7.0 licenses will when
upgraded to v7.1 move back to the previous license model.

The V7 License management system and user rights will be identical
to those in EAGLE V6.

We will release a new Version V7.1 of EAGLE on Monday the 11th
of August, which will be available for download from our Website.

Guess what? Autodesk & Cadsoft haven't learned their lesson and they will introduce again a license management system.
This means that you can't use Eagle anymore without internet connection  :palm:

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2017, 02:41:41 AM »
I guess they will change the default colors for the layers, they might even make some new icons for stuff. Maybe even a new menu bar. And different fonts. There will be big changes with eagle, now it will be a usable software.
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2017, 07:21:57 AM »
Originally looking at circuitstudio, but in our small company  one of the employees is using Linux. This could be an interesting option.

or or or or or or... use diptrace.
or or or or kicad.
won't touch that POS eagle unless they redesign the UI from scratch
 
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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2017, 07:50:35 AM »
To be fair, the total number of people "boycotting" EAGLE are probably now known, their existing user base will more than likely be happy to upgrade, I switched from EAGLE to KiCAD, purely for the fact that KiCAD did everything EAGLE did (that I needed) and it was completely free and OS.

If the changes to the new software are legible enough for "flown" users to come back to it then they make expand their user base.

Nevertheless, it's nice to know that it is still in active development, I was a happy EAGLE user for many years, and would have no real issue going back to use it tomorrow (apart from price when using it for personal use, can't beat free and unrestricted!).
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2017, 08:35:07 PM »
or or or or or or... use diptrace.
or or or or kicad.
won't touch that POS eagle unless they redesign the UI from scratch

I used Diptrace, liked it, but only for simple boards where strict rule checking and polygon accuracy don't matter. Routing isn't much better in Diptrace than in Eagle.
KiCAD is something I haven't looked at, but I heard the library management was crippled. I have installed it and take it for a spin.

About the licensing. Read the hackchat: https://hackaday.io/event/19355-eagle-hack-chat/log/51826-read-the-chat-here I thought they mentioned something like 20 days per online lease.
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2017, 09:35:21 PM »
Is there an ETA for this release?
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2017, 10:28:29 PM »
About the licensing. Read the hackchat: https://hackaday.io/event/19355-eagle-hack-chat/log/51826-read-the-chat-here I thought they mentioned something like 20 days per online lease.

Absolutely unacceptable.  The issue isn't whether you have to sign in every 2 hours, every 2 days, or every 200 days.  The issue is, I want my toolchain to work 10 years from now, after Autodesk has stopped maintaining the servers.

As a Professional licensee since 4.1, it looks like 7.x is where I get off the EAGLE train.
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2017, 11:17:21 PM »
Have a look here: http://www.eaglecentral.ca/index.php/t/52901/90be6616cc619dc651e072c006dec854/

and scroll down to read how existing users think about it...

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2017, 12:40:39 AM »
I fully agree with the posters on the Eagle forum. Any licensing scheme which requires an internet connection is an absolute no-go for me. If you want to know why that method is a big fail you just need to look at computer games. I've hoped things will improve with Autodesk, but it becomes worse :(
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2017, 05:17:16 AM »
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/eda/autodesk-buys-eagle/126/

Quote from reply #126: "...it's not going subscription..."

This was a lie, thank you very much. And Jorge added: "Autodesk is full subscription going forward and this position is
non-negotiable."

Source: http://www.eaglecentral.ca/index.php/mv/msg/52901/168331/b5952d433f9890c005408768aefd061d/#msg_168331

And it's getting even better: "You need to have an Autodesk account, even to use the freeware."

Source: http://www.eaglecentral.ca/index.php/mv/msg/52901/168329/b5952d433f9890c005408768aefd061d/#msg_168329

I really wonder if someone seriously considers upgrading?



 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2017, 07:21:35 AM »
WTF!?
What they specifically said wouldn't happen is ALREADY happening? Subscription, really?
That TOTALLY kills it for me.
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2017, 09:09:06 AM »
Hmm, the subscription model is bloody expensive!
£400 odd quid for the pro per year, so it costs as much (more in fact) in 3 years than buying a lifetime license for a version?  :wtf:

I just installed V8, tried to run it, then it promptly complained about a missing file and closed... :palm:

If you have to connect to the internet to use it (albeit every 14 days) you may as well use circuit maker, or DipTrace.

I must have missed this "awesomeness" that has dropped. :--
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2017, 01:03:58 PM »
Um, DipTrace doesn't require an internet connection... I've been running it in a VM with no internet access for over a year, no issues.
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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2017, 09:42:43 PM »
Yeah, I wrote it wrong, I meant use Circuit Maker.  Alternatively use DipTrace (in comparison for price etc).

It only requires an internet connection to download it :)

Or KiCAD, but not everyone gets on with it.
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2017, 01:45:24 AM »
I just got an email update.

Apparently Eagle is now Subscriptionware. Now we can all buy the program on a monthly basis. Continuously.

I guess I'll be keeping multiple backup copies of my v6 handy, as I've already paid for it.
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2017, 02:01:51 AM »
Great! So Autodesk is ruining Eagle completely. Well done! :palm:
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2017, 02:12:11 AM »
OMG that what I found so nice about Eagle that you can buy a version as hobbieist and use it for a couple of years than buy a new version if it has more versions is now a milking cow scheme, and guess what I am not giving them my milk. I will cherish my v6 version and use it till the end. Mooooooh uh Booooooh  ;)
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2017, 02:19:17 AM »
The biggest pain now, is not just learning KiCad, but recreating all of my libraries made over the last 4+ years.
 

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Re: The Autodesk Eagle edition
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2017, 02:31:31 AM »
I just got the email from Autodesk. The changes to Eagle actually sounded great and much needed.  :-+
Then I saw the subscription thing  :--  :--  :--  :--

I would have considered paying an upgrade fee for a perpetual license if there was a discount for existing licenses. But they can shove subscriptions, always online and requiring an account where the sun doesn't shine.

Oh well. Time to give KiCad another go.

The biggest pain now, is not just learning KiCad, but recreating all of my libraries made over the last 4+ years.

There are ULP scripts around somewhere to convert Eagle parts to KiCad, so converting libraries should not be too difficult as long as you double check everything before you use it.
 
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