Author Topic: Oval Holes - can these get fabbed without any problems?  (Read 8082 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline K3mHtHTopic starter

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 91
  • Country: ca
Oval Holes - can these get fabbed without any problems?
« on: February 25, 2014, 04:10:33 am »
Hey everyone,
I'm noticing a few footprints in kicad have oval holes. If I send these to get manufactured, is there any problem? Do they end up plated?

FWIW, I plan to use pcbcart.com to get them fabbed.

Thanks in advance,
 

Offline T3sl4co1l

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 21671
  • Country: us
  • Expert, Analog Electronics, PCB Layout, EMC
    • Seven Transistor Labs
Re: Oval Holes - can these get fabbed without any problems?
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2014, 05:55:29 am »
Slot holes usually cost extra, because they have to do the route cut separately from regular hole drilling.  It's a few extra steps.  So if they do make it to spec, it should be more expensive.  A cheap panelizing fab might not even do it, or quote much more than expected.

Tim
Seven Transistor Labs, LLC
Electronic design, from concept to prototype.
Bringing a project to life?  Send me a message!
 

Offline K3mHtHTopic starter

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 91
  • Country: ca
Re: Oval Holes - can these get fabbed without any problems?
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2014, 07:56:32 am »
Slot holes usually cost extra, because they have to do the route cut separately from regular hole drilling.  It's a few extra steps.  So if they do make it to spec, it should be more expensive.  A cheap panelizing fab might not even do it, or quote much more than expected.

Tim

Thanks Tim, checking the manufacturer's instant-quote page.. I can specify slot cutting and put in how many slots need to be routed. I put in the slots required and the price difference wasn't much at all.

How is the pcb manufacturer expecting to see slots shown? Right now in kicad, the oval holes are just showing up as ovals in the Drill file. But if the slots are done as a separate process (routing?) then I'm expecting to see the slots shown on the PCB_Edges layer. Maybe I'm over complicating this..
 

Offline Codemonkey

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 235
  • Country: gb
Re: Oval Holes - can these get fabbed without any problems?
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2014, 07:39:13 am »
The last board I did with Kicad had plated slots for some battery terminals. All I did was specify the holes in kicads pad properties to be the correct size then sent the gerbers etc to seeedstudio. I didn't have to specify anything extra other than what was in the files that Kicad output and the boards came back exactly as expected. No extra costs either.
 

Offline EEVblog

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 37734
  • Country: au
    • EEVblog
Re: Oval Holes - can these get fabbed without any problems?
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2014, 08:07:56 am »
These are defined as slots, not holes, and may or may not be allowed by your manufacturers standard process, or may cost extra.
They will be plated if you tell them to plate them, just like regular holes.
 

Offline nctnico

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 26906
  • Country: nl
    • NCT Developments
Re: Oval Holes - can these get fabbed without any problems?
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2014, 01:04:26 am »
I know (been there, done that) Eurocircuits plates slots when they are inside copper on all layers.
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 

Offline bronson

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 172
  • Country: us
Re: Oval Holes - can these get fabbed without any problems?
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2014, 01:15:19 am »
It can take an extra step to plate slots so, unless you ask for it, you probably won't get it.

OSHPark sez no: http://support.oshpark.com/support/solutions/articles/134889-internal-cutouts-and

Ian has some thoughts, emphasis on crude: http://dangerousprototypes.com/2012/06/20/how-to-crude-way-of-making-plated-slots-in-eagle/

But, ultimately, it's all up to your fab.
 

Offline Rerouter

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 4694
  • Country: au
  • Question Everything... Except This Statement
Re: Oval Holes - can these get fabbed without any problems?
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2014, 06:28:15 am »
just for reference, itead drilled and plated slot holes on a 10x10 board of mine with no issues,
 

Offline johansen

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 992
Re: Oval Holes - can these get fabbed without any problems?
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2014, 07:00:51 am »
i suppose one issue would be how to define an oval hole.

drill files only contain the location, not the shape.

the fab shop isn't going to trust your G code.. any errors will break their bits or crash the machine.
 

Offline David_AVD

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 2806
  • Country: au
Re: Oval Holes - can these get fabbed without any problems?
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2014, 07:03:55 am »
i suppose one issue would be how to define an oval hole.

As Dave said a few posts up, they are plated slots not holes.
 

Online Psi

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 9939
  • Country: nz
Re: Oval Holes - can these get fabbed without any problems?
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2014, 07:42:13 am »
yep, since you cant drill and oval hole, like you can a round hole, they have to be routed out like a slot.

Be aware that the tightest arc you can have on a slot is the arc of the router bit used in the machine doing the routing.
Sometimes you can specific which size router bit should be used eg 1mm, other times they say "x mm" will be used and your stuck with it
« Last Edit: March 12, 2014, 07:45:51 am by Psi »
Greek letter 'Psi' (not Pounds per Square Inch)
 

Offline AlfBaz

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 2184
  • Country: au
Re: Oval Holes - can these get fabbed without any problems?
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2014, 09:23:02 am »
yep, since you cant drill and oval hole...
LOL, I know a couple of apprentices that would argue with that  :)
 
The following users thanked this post: rob.manderson

Offline VK4GHZ

  • Contributor
  • Posts: 25
  • Country: au
Re: Oval Holes - can these get fabbed without any problems?
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2018, 10:10:42 am »
just for reference, itead drilled and plated slot holes on a 10x10 board of mine with no issues,

Old topic, but this is what Google found!
Great to hear... I'm working on a board at the moment with oval holes (a 2.1mm DC socket), and iTead is my go-to PCB fabricator.

 


Share me

Digg  Facebook  SlashDot  Delicious  Technorati  Twitter  Google  Yahoo
Smf