I tried a Mac for video editing...

[sonic]

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[23:18:39] hb_init: starting libhb thread
HandBrake svn5401 (2013041601) - MinGW x86_64 - http://handbrake.fr
8 CPUs detected
Opening I:\test\eevblog\EEVblogTestRender2Min22.MTS...
[23:18:39] hb_scan: path=I:\test\eevblog\EEVblogTestRender2Min22.MTS, title_index=1
libbluray/bdnav/index_parse.c:162: indx_parse(): error opening I:\test\eevblog\EEVblogTestRender2Min22.MTS/BDMV/index.bdmv
libbluray/bdnav/index_parse.c:162: indx_parse(): error opening I:\test\eevblog\EEVblogTestRender2Min22.MTS/BDMV/BACKUP/index.bdmv
libbluray/bluray.c:1725: nav_get_title_list(I:\test\eevblog\EEVblogTestRender2Min22.MTS) failed (00000000035e9150)
[23:18:39] bd: not a bd - trying as a stream/file instead
libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 4.1.3
libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.
libdvdnav:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed
libdvdnav:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP failed
libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO.
libdvdnav: vm: failed to read VIDEO_TS.IFO
[23:18:39] dvd: not a dvd - trying as a stream/file instead
Input #0, mpegts, from 'I:\test\eevblog\EEVblogTestRender2Min22.MTS':
  Duration: 00:02:22.08, start: 0.473689, bitrate: 12593 kb/s
  Program 1
    Stream #0.0[0x1011]: Video: h264 (High), yuv420p, 1440x1080 [PAR 4:3 DAR 16:9], 50 fps, 50 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc
    Stream #0.1[0x1100]: Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp, 256 kb/s
[23:18:40] scan: decoding previews for title 1
[23:18:40] scan: audio 0x1: AC-3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=256000 Unknown (AC3) (2.0 ch)
Scanning title 1 of 1, preview 10, 100.00 %[23:18:40] scan: 10 previews, 1440x1080, 50.000 fps, autocrop = 0/0/0/0, aspect 16:9, PAR 4:3
[23:18:40] libhb: scan thread found 1 valid title(s)
+ title 1:
  + stream: I:\test\eevblog\EEVblogTestRender2Min22.MTS
  + duration: 00:02:22
  + size: 1440x1080, pixel aspect: 4/3, display aspect: 1.78, 50.000 fps
  + autocrop: 0/0/0/0
  + support opencl: yes
  + support hwd: yes
  + chapters:
    + 1: cells 0->0, 0 blocks, duration 00:02:22
  + audio tracks:
    + 1, Unknown (AC3) (2.0 ch) (iso639-2: und), 48000Hz, 256000bps
  + subtitle tracks:
[23:18:40] 1 job(s) to process
[23:18:40] starting job
[23:18:40] Using GPU : Yes.
[23:18:40] sync: expecting 7104 video frames
[23:18:40] job configuration:
[23:18:40]  * source
[23:18:40]    + I:\test\eevblog\EEVblogTestRender2Min22.MTS
[23:18:40]    + title 1, chapter(s) 1 to 1
[23:18:40]    + container: mpegts
[23:18:40]    + data rate: 12593 kbps
[23:18:40]  * destination
[23:18:40]    + I:\test\eevblog\EEVblogTestRender2Min22.mp4
[23:18:40]    + container: MPEG-4 (.mp4 and .m4v)
[23:18:40]  * video track
[23:18:40]    + decoder: h264
[23:18:40]    + frame rate: 50.000 fps -> constant 25.000 fps
[23:18:40]    + filters
[23:18:40]      + Framerate Shaper (1:27000000:1080000)
[23:18:40]        + frame rate: 25.000 fps -> constant 25.000 fps
[23:18:40]      + Crop and Scale (1440:1080:0:0:0:0)
[23:18:40]        + source: 1440 * 1080, crop (0/0/0/0): 1440 * 1080, scale: 1440 * 1080
[23:18:40]    + strict anamorphic
[23:18:40]      + storage dimensions: 1440 * 1080, mod 0
[23:18:40]      + pixel aspect ratio: 4 / 3
[23:18:40]      + display dimensions: 1920 * 1080
[23:18:40]    + encoder: H.264 (x264)
[23:18:40]      + options: ref=2:bframes=2:subq=6:mixed-refs=0:weightb=0:8x8dct=0:trellis=0
[23:18:40]      + quality: 22.00 (RF)
[23:18:40]  * audio track 1
[23:18:40]    + decoder: Unknown (AC3) (2.0 ch) (track 1, id 0x1)
[23:18:40]      + bitrate: 256 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
[23:18:40]    + mixdown: Stereo
[23:18:40]    + encoder: AAC (faac)
[23:18:40]      + bitrate: 192 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
[23:18:40] reader: first SCR 46232 id 0x1 DTS 46232
[23:18:41] dxva2:CreateSurface succeed with 17, fmt (1440x1080) surfaces (1440x1088)
[23:18:41] dxva2:we got 2 decoder configurations
[23:18:41] dxva2:configuration[0] ConfigBitstreamRaw 2
[23:18:41] dxva2:configuration[1] ConfigBitstreamRaw 2
[23:18:41] dxva2:IDirectXVideoDecoderService_CreateVideoDecoder succeed
[23:18:41] dxva2:Using DXVA2 for hardware decoding
[23:18:41] encx264: encoding with stored aspect 4/3
[23:18:41] dxva2:Available decoder output format 61 (AV_PIX_FMT_DXVA2_VLD)
[23:18:41] encx264: Encoding at constant RF 22.000000
x264 [warning]: --psnr used with psy on: results will be invalid!
x264 [warning]: --tune psnr should be used if attempting to benchmark psnr!
x264 [info]: using SAR=4/3
x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 SSE4.2 AVX
x264 [info]: profile Main, level 4.0
Encoding: task 1 of 1, 49.61 % (97.99 fps, avg 91.51 fps, ETA 00h00m39s)[23:19:19] reader: done. 1 scr changes
Encoding: task 1 of 1, 49.96 % (97.99 fps, avg 91.51 fps, ETA 00h00m39s)[23:19:20] work: average encoding speed for job is 91.510208 fps
[23:19:20] sync: got 3550 frames, 7104 expected
[23:19:20] render: 1776 frames output, 1774 dropped and 0 duped for CFR/PFR
[23:19:20] render: lost time: 0 (0 frames)
[23:19:20] render: gained time: 0 (0 frames) (0 not accounted for)
Encoding: task 1 of 1, 49.96 % (97.99 fps, avg 91.51 fps, ETA 00h00m39s)[23:19:20] h264-decoder done: 3550 frames, 0 decoder errors, 0 drops
x264 [info]: frame I:14    Avg QP:22.43  size:192467  PSNR Mean Y:40.87 U:48.17 V:49.18 Avg:42.27 Global:42.18
x264 [info]: frame P:1044  Avg QP:24.21  size: 57845  PSNR Mean Y:38.55 U:45.29 V:46.79 Avg:39.92 Global:39.72
x264 [info]: frame B:718   Avg QP:26.19  size: 14797  PSNR Mean Y:37.07 U:44.74 V:46.30 Avg:38.51 Global:38.36
x264 [info]: consecutive B-frames: 23.5% 63.5% 13.0%
x264 [info]: mb I  I16..4: 17.3%  0.0% 82.7%
x264 [info]: mb P  I16..4:  5.1%  0.0%  7.8%  P16..4: 57.1% 10.3%  8.6%  0.0%  0.0%    skip:11.3%
x264 [info]: mb B  I16..4:  5.7%  0.0%  2.5%  B16..8: 18.6%  5.6%  0.6%  direct: 8.8%  skip:58.2%  L0:37.4% L1:48.3% BI:14.3%
x264 [info]: coded y,uvDC,uvAC intra: 55.4% 61.7% 18.3% inter: 25.8% 23.8% 0.7%
x264 [info]: i16 v,h,dc,p: 29% 20% 26% 26%
x264 [info]: i4 v,h,dc,ddl,ddr,vr,hd,vl,hu: 27% 20% 16%  5%  7%  7%  6%  6%  5%
x264 [info]: i8c dc,h,v,p: 53% 18% 23%  6%
x264 [info]: Weighted P-Frames: Y:12.0% UV:3.5%
x264 [info]: ref P L0: 65.7% 14.8% 17.7%  1.8%
x264 [info]: ref B L0: 78.2% 21.8%
x264 [info]: ref B L1: 97.9%  2.1%
x264 [info]: SSIM Mean Y:0.9741426 (15.874db)
x264 [info]: PSNR Mean Y:37.969 U:45.090 V:46.612 Avg:39.371 Global:39.130 kb/s:8300.58
Encoding: task 1 of 1, 49.96 % (97.99 fps, avg 91.51 fps, ETA 00h00m39s)[23:19:20] mux: track 0, 1776 frames, 73708639 bytes, 4149.09 kbps, fifo 512
[23:19:20] mux: track 1, 6661 frames, 3410116 bytes, 191.96 kbps, fifo 4096
[23:19:20] libhb: work result = 0

Encode done!

HandBrake has exited.

[sonic]

Strange: The .mts says it's 50 fps, VLC plays it with 30 fps and the .mp4 with 25 fps.

It takes 1:43 to render that clip using the Sony AVC encoder at constant 12Mbps, 1440x1080, 25fps (same as input file) 48K/192K/32bit audio with High profile.
(203MB file)

This intermediate file would clarify the test.

[EEVblog]

The UVD acceleration in the OpenCL build of HandBrake looks interesting:
My i7 3770: 75 s (125 MB)
My i7 3770 and Radeon HD 7970 by adding command line option "-U": 40 s (but only 73,5 MB? Well, all the better: faster YouTube upload )

That implies lower quality, as has been suggested is common with using GPU's. You trade video quality for encoding speed.

[EEVblog]

Strange: The .mts says it's 50 fps, VLC plays it with 30 fps and the .mp4 with 25 fps.

Yes, the .MTS from the camera is 25p stored as 50i.

[sonic]

You trade video quality for encoding speed.

UVD (Universal Video Decoder) is only able to participate in the decoding of the .mts, not the encoding of the .mp4
Perhaps the differences dissapear when trying to transcode the output of the Sony AVC encoder?

[NiHaoMike]

(And I highly recommend the Cooler Master 212, it's cheap and works great even on a 6 core.)

I wish it could handle my 6 core; almost nothing apart from extreme solutions can handle my i7-990x

(I run chiller on my loops as a daily comp :S)

Take off the weak stock fan and replace it with a good one. I'm using a 0.9A Foxconn I pulled out of an old server, but a Delta of that power level should work great. And it helps a lot to have a 3A Delta in the side panel.

[sonic]

Yes, the .MTS from the camera is 25p stored as 50i.

This seems to confuse UVD, it skipped every other frame It wasn't obvious with no one visible talking.
With one of my 2:18 long 1080p29.97 videos, the duration is 68 s without and 59 s with UVD.

[peter.mitchell]

(And I highly recommend the Cooler Master 212, it's cheap and works great even on a 6 core.)

I wish it could handle my 6 core; almost nothing apart from extreme solutions can handle my i7-990x

(I run chiller on my loops as a daily comp :S)

Take off the weak stock fan and replace it with a good one. I'm using a 0.9A Foxconn I pulled out of an old server, but a Delta of that power level should work great. And it helps a lot to have a 3A Delta in the side panel.

I have a custom loop 2x 3x120mm, 2x swiftech mcp655, removed the IHS, ect, the waterblock just can't take the heat away from the die quick enough so i have to run a chiller, the 4 core nehalem chips are bad for heat, at 4ghz, most closed loop kits struggle to keep them below 70, the 6 core variants are like hot coals, at 4.5 with the above, i only can keep it at 55~ under load.

The UVD acceleration in the OpenCL build of HandBrake looks interesting:
My i7 3770: 75 s (125 MB)
My i7 3770 and Radeon HD 7970 by adding command line option "-U": 40 s (but only 73,5 MB? Well, all the better: faster YouTube upload )

That implies lower quality, as has been suggested is common with using GPU's. You trade video quality for encoding speed.

I'm curious, how much quality is lost? and if it is say.. 20% for a 50% of the time, could you say.. bump the quality up to 20 instead of 22, get the same quality but only shave 30% of the time off?

[EEVblog]

I'm curious, how much quality is lost? and if it is say.. 20% for a 50% of the time, could you say.. bump the quality up to 20 instead of 22, get the same quality but only shave 30% of the time off?

No one has yet posted any data on that, so it will need testing to find out.

[ve7xen]

I'm curious, how much quality is lost? and if it is say.. 20% for a 50% of the time, could you say.. bump the quality up to 20 instead of 22, get the same quality but only shave 30% of the time off?

The tradeoff involved is more in encoding efficiency than quality just being 'lost'. In other words, for the same size file, quality is lower. Conversely, if you want the same quality, you need a larger filesize, which is the whole point of this exercise in the first place - Dave is trying to maximize quality/byte because his Internet connection is slow. Otherwise he wouldn't use the intermediate step at all and would just upload the h.264 from Sony directly to YouTube.

There's still an entire intermediate encoding step in there that can be eliminated before thinking about sacrificing quality .

[EEVblog]

If overkill is what you want dave, what i threw in with the videocard is the definition of overkill

I think I got it, has a "read me first" note on the front?
Should I wait for mailbag, or open now?

[peter.mitchell]

Now is fine, I don't care if its in the mailbag, you can open it and decide, it isn't *that* interesting.

Shoulda' tweeted at me and i'd have gotten back to you quicker, terrible reception out here so i only use the lowest bandwidth solutions

[hans]

If overkill is what you want dave, what i threw in with the videocard is the definition of overkill

I think I got it, has a "read me first" note on the front?
Should I wait for mailbag, or open now?

Do a Tuesday TearUp (instead of down) video on building the PC 

[Ed.Kloonk]

If overkill is what you want dave, what i threw in with the videocard is the definition of overkill

I think I got it, has a "read me first" note on the front?
Should I wait for mailbag, or open now?

Do a Tuesday TearUp (instead of down) video on building the PC 

Aw God, no!

 

[justanothercanuck]

I guess I'm a little late to the party, but I wanted to throw in my 2c... 

I have an i7 920 and I run it with the stock cooler.  I have no problems with noise or overheating whatsoever, even after running for several hours at full tilt.  My RAID array makes more noise than the processor fan. 

[Ed.Kloonk]

I guess I'm a little late to the party, but I wanted to throw in my 2c... 

I have an i7 920 and I run it with the stock cooler.  I have no problems with noise or overheating whatsoever, even after running for several hours at full tilt.  My RAID array makes more noise than the processor fan. 

Are you asking for help with it or just commenting.

There are some nice silent enclosures you can buy or even make yourself.

[Pat Pending]

I guess I'm a little late to the party, but I wanted to throw in my 2c... 

I have an i7 920 and I run it with the stock cooler.  I have no problems with noise or overheating whatsoever, even after running for several hours at full tilt.  My RAID array makes more noise than the processor fan. 

Are you asking for help with it or just commenting.

There are some nice silent enclosures you can buy or even make yourself.

On the subject of case noise, I found that Dynamat can be used to dampen the vibrations that arise from steel cases.
Dynamat is a heavy material specifically for sound control with a sticky contact surface for installation.
Its not cheap, so of course, the money is better spent on a improved case design in the first place.

A cheaper alternative is A4 (letter) sized flexible (plastic?) fridge magnets, they attach inside the steel case with ease and add sufficient
mass to large vibrating panels and help dampen out case resonances.

[EEVblog]

This thread has become all about encoding - but that's not where it started. It was about Dave getting a new machine for editing, rendering, and encoding - and that's what I've been speaking to. He already expressed a desire to save money - and benchmarks clearly show the AMD CPU as an excellent bargain in regards to encoding - so my advice for Dave would be to save money on an expensive CPU - and either invest it in an SDD RAID subsystem - or pocket it and just use a normal HDD RAID. Anyway, my final two cents.

I think it has been established that a RAID system will not really help, as that it not were the bottleneck lies. But in any case I will be running a software RAID with my existing 2 x 2TB WD (Green) drives, just for redundancy. Tossing up whether to put my 2nd RAID system in the same box (currently both external USB 3.0), and also my networked media centre hard drive as well. Less cables, power cords etc?

The AMD CPU would have only saved me just over $100, so I went for the slightly more powerful i7, which alo runs at lower power. I think it was a much better choice. My whole system still came in at under $1K which I was happy with.

[Toque]

So what did I end up going with?
Intel i7 3770K (K is the unlocked one you can overclock, about $50 more)
ASUS P8Z77-V-LX Motherboard (cheapest one with the top line Z77 chipset)
16GB Corsair DDR3 1600 memory. 2 x 8GB, so room for extra if needed.
Corsair VS650 650W PSU
Corsair H55 liquid cooler.
CoolerMaster Silencio 550 case
Seagate 7200rpm 2TB drive

Good job, looks like a nice system, but there are two things I wanted to point out to you.. First, nothing wrong with your cooler choice, allthou pumps can fail yadayada, Noctua NH-D14 would of been a better choice, Noctua rocks period, there stuff is top notch, fans rated to last a long long time and there very very quiet.. Second, nothing wrong with tha memory, after all Corsair is number 1, but ive been using Gskill these days, Gskill is offering awesome kits Tridentx, so I would of went with 16GB DDR3 2400mhz Gskill kit..

Awesome videos btw, I watched a handful now, I will be watching more..

[Toque]

Oh, and I just read your post above, u don't wanta do software raid, tha ICH inside Z77 is very very powerfull for a chipset, u can do RAID 0,1 or 10 just fine, but not RAID5.. I am running RAID0, 2x Plex M5P256 as my boot volume on Z77 ICH, and getting 1100 MB/s.. Also running some old 4x 500G WD hardrives in RAID10 as my Scratch volume, don't have to worry about losing any fresh downloads etc , think im getting around 125 MB/s average on that volume, didn't bother to test it..

[EEVblog]

Corsair H55 liquid cooler.
Good job, looks like a nice system, but there are two things I wanted to point out to you.. First, nothing wrong with your cooler choice, allthou pumps can fail yadayada, Noctua NH-D14 would of been a better choice, Noctua rocks period, there stuff is top notch, fans rated to last a long long time and there very very quiet..

I swapped the H55 cooler for a Cooler Master 212 EVO. By all reports it is much quieter, like by 6dB or something, and basically the quietest cooler on a huge list I posted a few pages back.
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2655&page=3

Still waiting on my 3770K, won't be in until at least Tuesday now 

[Ed.Kloonk]

Nothing worse than having one (vital) piece missing.

[Toque]

Corsair H55 liquid cooler.
Good job, looks like a nice system, but there are two things I wanted to point out to you.. First, nothing wrong with your cooler choice, allthou pumps can fail yadayada, Noctua NH-D14 would of been a better choice, Noctua rocks period, there stuff is top notch, fans rated to last a long long time and there very very quiet..

I swapped the H55 cooler for a Cooler Master 212 EVO. By all reports it is much quieter, like by 6dB or something, and basically the quietest cooler on a huge list I posted a few pages back.
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2655&page=3

Still waiting on my 3770K, won't be in until at least Tuesday now 

Ah, okay, looks like tha best choice on a budget, but when it comes to overclocking tha other two may of been a better choice.. Tha way tha heatspreader is attached in tha ivy bridge, isn't tha same as tha Sandybridge-E or Ivybrige-E, and hence even at 77w its not easy to cool, I am running at 4.6ghz, and my max temps are hitting around 85, and u don't want to go higher, max jun is 105c, typically at least 10c cooler then max temp for everyday use I would guess, and leave a little room for them hot days I guess I should meantion, I am running a Noctua D14, generaly speaking it will be more quiet cause its fan speed is allways low, I suppose I could max out tha fans and have lower or same temps at a 5.0ghz overclock, but that's not what its about.. I think u will find if u overclock, u will need to ramp up tha fan speed on that coolermaster and no longer is it as quiet as u expected.. Same with tha closed loop liquid coolers, they don't prefrom as well as tha highest end air coolers on a noise to perform ratio, however they can prefrom slightly better with tha noise then air..

[peter.mitchell]

Yeah, Noctua has some good parts, their colour scheme may not be to everyones tastes, but they perform damn well!

Damn it is getting hard to not to say what's in the box.

[Toque]

Yeah, Noctua has some good parts, their colour scheme may not be to everyones tastes, but they perform damn well!

Yep, Nocua and ThermalRIGHT are tha best stuff out there for air cooling..