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Re: Do employers have a right to discriminate against color-blindness?
« Reply #100 on: February 01, 2018, 11:50:04 am »
Sociopaths (i.e. people with NPD) tend to be delusional (they are the definition of delusions of grandeur) and for that reason they make horrible leaders. However that doesn't stop 99% of politicians from having it (NPD) anyway.

Because nobody else in their right minds wants the job.

Stressful childhoods and distant unavailable parents when somebody is under 6 yrs old create people with NPD, so NPD is much more common in the very rich and the very poor.
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Re: Do employers have a right to discriminate against color-blindness?
« Reply #101 on: February 01, 2018, 11:56:56 am »
I'm not sure if one can conclusively say that these things create the disorder when it's entirely possible that it works the other way around and is genetic. Sociopaths tend to be the ones who make it into positions of power and influence which often leads to wealth. If it's genetic then their kids are more likely to have the condition as well. There are plenty of people neglected as children who did not become sociopaths.
 

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Re: Do employers have a right to discriminate against color-blindness?
« Reply #102 on: February 01, 2018, 11:58:07 am »
James, I'm sorry but blueskull is right. In the final analysis, nothing in the world is going to keep somebody employed if their employer doesn't want them there.

Everybody has to stand on their own merits. Sure, jobs are going away, so that means that millions of people are not going to have jobs in a few years and the sooner we face that reality the better.

They wont have health insurance either.  They may not have anywhere to live, either because their homes will be snapped up by investors who wont even live in them.

This is why education is so important.
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Re: Do employers have a right to discriminate against color-blindness?
« Reply #103 on: February 01, 2018, 11:58:33 am »
First: I am R-G color blind too and I hate my scope for not allowing me selecting the colors I want.

I read, that taking a Viagra pill should remove temporarily the color blindness (never tried).
I am wondering if a company would provide this anti-color-blindness pill for helping their employees. Though there are some secondary effects then  :o which might make the then (temporarily) healed person quite non-productive (at least regarding their regular work load).
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Re: Do employers have a right to discriminate against color-blindness?
« Reply #104 on: February 01, 2018, 11:59:59 am »
That's also not how evolution works. Evolution is driven by individuals who are successful at breeding, that has little to do with their overall benefit to society or qualities as an individual. Sociopaths in particular tend to be capable of being very charming and can be quite successful at breeding. They may not make great parents but that doesn't matter from an evolutionary standpoint.
Breeding is more than just getting females pregnant. There have to be actual offspring, born and raised safe and healthy, so they can eventually breed. Being good parents is generally pretty important from an evolutionary standpoint, although there are numerous species which sidestep this in various ways - e.g. cuckoos getting some other nurturing suckers to do the hard work.
 

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Re: Do employers have a right to discriminate against color-blindness?
« Reply #105 on: February 01, 2018, 12:02:31 pm »
Breeding is more than just getting females pregnant. There have to be actual offspring, born and raised safe and healthy, so they can eventually breed. Being good parents is generally pretty important from an evolutionary standpoint, although there are numerous species which sidestep this in various ways - e.g. cuckoos getting some other nurturing suckers to do the hard work.

Visit some low income areas in the midwest and southern US and that may change your mind. Areas with the highest teen pregnancy rates in the nation, people who are grandparents in their 30s, it really doesn't seem to take a whole lot of effort to raise offspring to potential breeding age.
 

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Re: Do employers have a right to discriminate against color-blindness?
« Reply #106 on: February 01, 2018, 12:03:27 pm »
There are also people who have NPD who are sort of borderline and who mean well, sort of.

But the problem is, they will always be at sort of a six year old's emotional level and they don't know right from wrong.

Unfortunately all of our political figures seem to have this illness.

With almost no exceptions.

I'm not sure if one can conclusively say that these things create the disorder when it's entirely possible that it works the other way around and is genetic. Sociopaths tend to be the ones who make it into positions of power and influence which often leads to wealth. If it's genetic then their kids are more likely to have the condition as well. There are plenty of people neglected as children who did not become sociopaths.

Its not genetic, the ability to empathize with others has something to do with early childhood environment.

Even if Mommy or Daddy is really busy and stressed, if their parent is there for them in some certain way people grow up okay.
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Re: Do employers have a right to discriminate against color-blindness?
« Reply #107 on: February 01, 2018, 12:04:26 pm »
James, I'm sorry but blueskull is right. In the final analysis, nothing in the world is going to keep somebody employed if their employer doesn't want them there.

Everybody has to stand on their own merits. Sure, jobs are going away, so that means that millions of people are not going to have jobs in a few years and the sooner we face that reality the better.

They wont have health insurance either.  They may not have anywhere to live, either because their homes will be snapped up by investors who wont even live in them.

This is why education is so important.

Of course that's true, but it's certainly not sensible to go around outright saying that you plan to ignore the law. The fact that employers do these things doesn't make it right, nor does it mean employees who feel they were discriminated against can't or won't sue. Companies are very careful about these things, in some cases it makes it difficult to fire someone who really ought to go.
 

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Re: Do employers have a right to discriminate against color-blindness?
« Reply #108 on: February 01, 2018, 12:05:12 pm »
Breeding is more than just getting females pregnant. There have to be actual offspring, born and raised safe and healthy, so they can eventually breed. Being good parents is generally pretty important from an evolutionary standpoint, although there are numerous species which sidestep this in various ways - e.g. cuckoos getting some other nurturing suckers to do the hard work.

Visit some low income areas in the midwest and southern US and that may change your mind. Areas with the highest teen pregnancy rates in the nation, people who are grandparents in their 30s, it really doesn't seem to take a whole lot of effort to raise offspring to potential breeding age.
Modern societies have largely isolated themselves from evolutionary issues. Idiocracy isn't a crass comedy movie. Its a solid prediction.
 

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Re: Do employers have a right to discriminate against color-blindness?
« Reply #109 on: February 01, 2018, 12:08:32 pm »
It may not be an issue in China but in the US and many other Western nations these things are taken very seriously.

That's why I registered my off shore at HK, and I plan to go to China to run it after my 3 year of OPT runs out.
US is good for average people, but if you want to be the top in the society, benefiting from minority's benefit, China is better.
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Re: Do employers have a right to discriminate against color-blindness?
« Reply #110 on: February 01, 2018, 12:10:16 pm »
Those of us non-sociopaths can only hope that China eventually develops to the point where people do not go there to set up shop because they can exploit the local population to become wealthy on the backs of others.
 

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Re: Do employers have a right to discriminate against color-blindness?
« Reply #111 on: February 01, 2018, 12:11:01 pm »
The fact that people have no prospects puts people in the horrible position of having nothing to offer to others except for sex. The less we invest in society the fewer people will ever be able to afford the stability that leads to marriage and the higher the percentage of children born out of wedlock will be. Also, the fact is, that in many countries, its not such a big thing. The US seems to be the very worst country in the developed world to grow up with a single mother. Rights for nonmarital children are actually worse than they were in the 80s and 90s.

They are trying to eliminate public education. Not just public higher education, public education. All of it. Then we'll be in a fine kettle of fish.

Breeding is more than just getting females pregnant. There have to be actual offspring, born and raised safe and healthy, so they can eventually breed. Being good parents is generally pretty important from an evolutionary standpoint, although there are numerous species which sidestep this in various ways - e.g. cuckoos getting some other nurturing suckers to do the hard work.

Visit some low income areas in the midwest and southern US and that may change your mind. Areas with the highest teen pregnancy rates in the nation, people who are grandparents in their 30s, it really doesn't seem to take a whole lot of effort to raise offspring to potential breeding age.

Don't blame the victims of this mess. Whats happening is a concentration of wealth unlike any the world has ever seen. If we keep going at the rate we are, there isnt going to be any middle class in the US in just a few years. Just lots and lots of poor people and a fairly small number relatively speaking of wealthy people.

The poor and especially the former middle class are going to be in desperate financial straights.

This isn't some tropical country where people can live in a paper shack.
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Re: Do employers have a right to discriminate against color-blindness?
« Reply #112 on: February 01, 2018, 12:15:01 pm »
Those of us non-sociopaths can only hope that China eventually develops to the point where people do not go there to set up shop because they can exploit the local population to become wealthy on the backs of others.

It's a cultural thing. We were educated from kindergarten that the "better" students get more attention from teachers, and the "worse" students get tossed and ignored.
Taiwan has realized general democracy in early 2000s, and social hierarchy and level discrimination is still very severe even till this day.
Same can be said for Japan and Korea, though they have adopted western value half century ago. Workplace bullying and social level discrimination are still norm there.
Competitive and exclusion is just eastern Asian culture.
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Re: Do employers have a right to discriminate against color-blindness?
« Reply #113 on: February 01, 2018, 12:18:43 pm »
Those of us non-sociopaths can only hope that China eventually develops to the point where people do not go there to set up shop because they can exploit the local population to become wealthy on the backs of others.



Some will come here.. for a while. Once wages fall a bit more.

But the fact is, it wont last. Because automation will impact the whole world. Also, the competition for the remaining jobs will become a lot more intense for Americans.

Because the imminent dissolving of barriers to corporations, under the multilateral trading system, allowing companies to use their cheapest employees anywhere they operate, even as temps,  is designed so that wages in countries like the US will fall, not so that wages in places like China would rise.

Also, falling demand. AI will mean mass unemployment. But the services liberalization which means big changes - will hit us much sooner and much harder than automation. Because those jobs will be the bread and butter jobs that communities depend on.

This will really pull the rug out from under millions of people.

No matter how cheap they will work for, their rights are going to be framed as the reason they cant get that job. Its really a skillful strategy to divide the nation and the world without being obvious about it.
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Why should somebody pay some worker - say an engineer, $60,000 a year in the US, when they can get one for $4000 a year from some MNC, say, a subcontractor.

Thats the future.  Yes, wages will rise in China for the best skilled, but the most skilled seem to be doing their best to go to places like Western Europe or Canada or Australia or even the US,  if they can. Where the pay is higher, at least for now, and there is a work life balance. But eventually, the wages here will not be any better, while the cost of living will be much higher, so many people from foreign countries will go back. Leaving us in a hell of a big mess.

Can we beat China on wages? How low can we go? It wont matter, we wont have the education.

Those of us non-sociopaths can only hope that China eventually develops to the point where people do not go there to set up shop because they can exploit the local population to become wealthy on the backs of others.
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Re: Do employers have a right to discriminate against color-blindness?
« Reply #114 on: February 01, 2018, 12:33:29 pm »
This is totally understandable given the rapidity of change and recent history.

It wasnt that long ago that China was mostly a backwards nation. I think there is likely no other country on Earth that has changed as rapidly.

China has actually invested a lot more in its poor areas than has India. Sad to say. India only passed a law mandating that there be public primary education in 2013, and they still haven't funded it! 

And nobody even calls them out on it.   Idiots..

The problem is, the era of large scale work in industry is largely over. And really there is nothing to take its place unless we suddenly wise up and realize, its going to be a mess which we wont have any solution for.

We need to become willing to invest a lot more in people than we are.   

James, I know you dont always agree with the things I say, but I'm telling you the truth, we who care about our country and our planet need to stop arguing about trivial things and get down to work on what we want our future to be.   We also have to stop taking advantage of one another.

The whole world is going to be an ugly place because of all this greed. If the current trends continue, I give us 50-50 odds to survive this century.


Those of us non-sociopaths can only hope that China eventually develops to the point where people do not go there to set up shop because they can exploit the local population to become wealthy on the backs of others.

It's a cultural thing. We were educated from kindergarten that the "better" students get more attention from teachers, and the "worse" students get tossed and ignored.
Taiwan has realized general democracy in early 2000s, and social hierarchy and level discrimination is still very severe even till this day.
Same can be said for Japan and Korea, though they have adopted western value half century ago. Workplace bullying and social level discrimination are still norm there.
Competitive and exclusion is just eastern Asian culture.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2018, 12:40:29 pm by cdev »
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Re: Do employers have a right to discriminate against color-blindness?
« Reply #115 on: February 01, 2018, 12:46:48 pm »
If it wasnt for the US we wouldnt have GATS which has really been a key problem, by forcing the privatization of the things we need to be doing.  If Americans knew the facts about it, we would go berserk. So they hide it.

The worst kinds of people, the oligarchs in countries like India and China got into this GATS deal with the worst kinds of people in the US. They think they are very slick, and it is very slick, I'll give them that. Its an end run around democracy. So - it gets rid of the safety valve..

Its so slick its likely to cause a war if we don't call it out for the scam it is. And everybody will be totally confused as to what it is their countries stand for and what they are fighting for because everything is so dishonest its all backwards.   Thats a diagnostic sign of the very worst kinds of frauds.

Those of us non-sociopaths can only hope that China eventually develops to the point where people do not go there to set up shop because they can exploit the local population to become wealthy on the backs of others.

It's a cultural thing. We were educated from kindergarten that the "better" students get more attention from teachers, and the "worse" students get tossed and ignored.
Taiwan has realized general democracy in early 2000s, and social hierarchy and level discrimination is still very severe even till this day.
Same can be said for Japan and Korea, though they have adopted western value half century ago. Workplace bullying and social level discrimination are still norm there.
Competitive and exclusion is just eastern Asian culture.
"What the large print giveth, the small print taketh away."
 


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