Anyone tried PCBWin?

[wraper]

Inspected under microscope, and can say that pcbwin quality blows shit out of any cheap pcb service I've seen.

[DerekG]

Inspected under microscope, and can say that pcbwin quality blows shit out of any cheap pcb service I've seen.

Did PCBWIN close up the via annular ring with soldermask, or did they tent the vias? (assuming you asked for neither)

PCBWAY covered the via annular copper rings with our last production order & I prefer that they don't do this as it prevents easy access to those holes should we wish to utilise them as a power or ground points etc.

PCBWAY did not do this with the prototype boards, only the production boards.

Just for some info, we ordered red soldermask for our last production boards. We won't do this again as this does not work well with the auto-inspection software as it is far more reflective over the standard green soldermask.

Having said the above, I'm sure if I requested PCBWAY to not cover the via annular rings with soldermask they would comply with that request.

Our boards were done in 3Oz copper & the quality is really quite excellent.

[wraper]

pcbwin !=pcbway 100%. What to do with vias can be selected in online quotation. My vias were tented by design. PCB quality of PCBway completely sucks compared to what pcbwin supplied. PCBs are separated by layer of paper. They are 100% clean, no dust or other solder mask defect like fingerprints unlike pcbway. Solder resist adjustment is excellent, and it seems they lowered guard gap as my design was crap service optimized with 5 mil gap. The only downside I see, they are slower than PCBway. But pcbs look like what you get if ordering in EU, not somewhere in china.

[wraper]

parts on the picture 0603 and sot23-8. Matte blue solder mask.

[wraper]

Same thing from pcbway (glossy blue).

[DerekG]

parts on the picture 0603 and sot23-8. Matte blue solder mask.

Thanks heaps for the photo comparison & comments.

How much longer did it take for the boards from PCBWIN to arrive over PCBWAY?

Did you get a solder paste stencil from PCBWIN & if you did, what was the quality like?

[wraper]

No I didn't get stencil. I asked for it, but they supply only stencils with frame. There were Chinese holidays so, it's hard to tell for sure. But it seems that about 5 days for smaller order (my second order, 20 pcs 18x20 panels, matte green). Or more for larger one, they shown 7 days for this 50 panel order, and it seems it took about 7-8 days they actually worked during this time to dispatch it. PCBway dispatches very fast, I ordered 15 panels of this design on Thursday late night and it was dispatched on Monday IIRC. But I'm certainly better wait a few days to get better quality, and at lower price.

[nwvlab]

No I didn't get stencil. I asked for it, but they supply only stencils with frame. There were Chinese holidays so, it's hard to tell for sure. But it seems that about 5 days for smaller order (my second order, 20 pcs 18x20 panels, matte green). Or more for larger one, they shown 7 days for this 50 panel order, and it seems it took about 7-8 days they actually worked during this time to dispatch it. PCBway dispatches very fast, I ordered 15 panels of this design on Thursday late night and it was dispatched on Monday IIRC. But I'm certainly better wait a few days to get better quality, and at lower price.

Pcbwin does supply stencils also without frames!!! I got mine without. The cost was 40$ (i got 10$ discount). A bit expensive, if compared to others, but the pcb quality overwhelms this drawback.

[wraper]

Pcbwin does supply stencils also without frames!!! I got mine without. The cost was 40$ (i got 10$ discount). A bit expensive, if compared to others, but the pcb quality overwhelms this drawback.

Their english was poor. I asked about stencil without the frame, they replied they can supply with the frame. Then likely they understood wrong what I asked for.

[wraper]

Yep, I got certainly screwed with second order with 2400 quantity in the invoice, but only $106 + shipping  Customs sen't me to #$@%&, or to customs brokers in another words. Said they suspect me in commercial activity. Lesson to learn.

[ansonbao]

Hi there!

I found PCBWin (http://www.pcbwin.com/), which seems to have good price/capabilities performances for low quantities (some seems better than PCBWay, in particular the minimum solder bridge). Anyone tried it? Would you recommend it?

Cheers

Nicola

I am pcbway manager,pcbwin copied our website and use our client photos from our website,we have sent lawyer's letter to their company.their action is shame.

Please not be cheated.

[nwvlab]

Hi there!

I found PCBWin (http://www.pcbwin.com/), which seems to have good price/capabilities performances for low quantities (some seems better than PCBWay, in particular the minimum solder bridge). Anyone tried it? Would you recommend it?

Cheers

Nicola

I am pcbway manager,pcbwin copied our website and use our client photos from our website,we have sent lawyer's letter to their company.their action is shame.

Please not be cheated.

Frankly, I'm happy of having been "cheated" by them.

When I started this thread, I was about to place my second order to PCBWay (after ruling out Elecrow for some bad reviews in this forum). In fact, with the previous PCBWay order, I found out that, given your price, the quality was "ok" enough for a prototype (from the electrical viewpoint. Instead from the "aesthetic" viewpoint it was not very good, indicating a backlash problem in your routing machine. Also, the alignment between silkscreen and traces was not very accurate).
 
Then by chance I discovered PCBWin, and their base specs seemed to me very good, so I gave them a try (in particular their minimum solder gap and the availability of matte black  soldermask).
After receiving my PCB from them I have been positively impressed by their quality. I do hope they will keep their quality standard as high as they were some months ago.

Instead of waging war here in the forum, you could improve your quality.

[nwvlab]

Frankly, I'm happy of having been "cheated" by them.

Western hypocrisy at its finest moment. A Chinese company clones another --> the cheapest and best quality one is the king. A Chinese company clones a western company --> it's a bitch.

Actually I don't give a shit if they "clone" a western company, mine, or a chinese company. But yes, if the quality and price are better, why should one pay more and get a worser quality?

[wraper]

Hi there!

I found PCBWin (http://www.pcbwin.com/), which seems to have good price/capabilities performances for low quantities (some seems better than PCBWay, in particular the minimum solder bridge). Anyone tried it? Would you recommend it?

Cheers

Nicola

I am pcbway manager,pcbwin copied our website and use our client photos from our website,we have sent lawyer's letter to their company.their action is shame.

Please not be cheated.

Bullshit about photos. Their photos are their own, I used google image search a while ago and all of their photos (which I checked, which was a lot) were their own. BTW your quality sucked on my last orders.

[wraper]

BTW it seems like their website uses the same platform rather that just copied.

[nwvlab]

You are essentially saying that a company can directly copy another's website and reduce cost on web/software development and you are happy to use their service because of the lower price?

I'm not saying that. To be clear, I was not impressed by the price (very similar). But by the quality. And I don't think that saving on the website development will give you such a big monetary advantage which will allow you to noticeably improve the quality of the final product.

(EDIT: I'm talking about PCBs)

What's the difference between that and buying things at hardware BOM cost with cloned firmware? I'm not embedded or software programmer, but I bet a software guy will be quite pissed off.

Some differences:
1) In your example, the firmware is part of the product. The website is just something to sell the product. Is not the product. (Yes, I know, the website development cost will have to be amortized in the final product cost...). Still, in your example you're buying counterfeit products. In PCBWay-Win you're buying "genuine" products from both vendors.

2) The house that actually programmed the firmware will have more control on the product and could potentially improve it. The house that simply clones it, will have to wait. Therefore the real developer could exploit this to be ahead the dishonest competitors.

3) Typically, the house that only clones the device, will have also a lower manufacturing quality (if they clone, their goal is to maximize profit). Instead, in our PCBWay-PCBWin case, the house that "copied" the website has a better manufacturing quality.

Yes, in the retrospect, PCBWin should not have "copied" the website. Also because this caused confusion among users, e.g. some of us in this thread thought that PCBWin was PCBWay just with another name.

Finally, I'm feeling like of having abused the word "copy". In fact, the two websites are very similar, but not an exact copy. Therefore some development/design has been done by PcbWin too...  If I say that PCBWin just copied the website,  I should also say that Windows and MacOs are two copies, because they use windows, folders, buttons, etc. Or that any modern cell phone is a copy of the iPhone, because they have a touchscreen and rounded edges...

EDIT:

BTW it seems like their website uses the same platform rather that just copied.

Well if this is true, "copy" is really an abused word.

[wraper]

Oh, and BTW, you PCBway of high morals, which hiding behind multiple websites. Before crying about others ripping off something, be ashamed of ripping off website name from Advanced circuits  (3PCB vs 4PCB). Moreover, not so long time ago, you were ripping off huge chunks of text from their website, seem to be gone now (did they sue you?).

[stephen.garfield88]

I tried PCBWin by chance, and I was surprised by their service. Their responce is very quick, and they solve me every tiny question. The quality is also excellent, I must say.

[stephen.garfield88]

yeah, actually I have tried PCBWin for my prototype. 55*45mm, 20pcs, 2L, ship to France. The price is good, the quality is totally worth the money. Especially their service is excellent, the response is quick. Anyway, you guys could also have a try on them, and hope you get the same excellent experience with me. 

Cheers,
Stephen

[richardlawson1489]

I had a pretty good experience with them. For order, some of the prototype some my home made a project and I was satisfied with quality and turnaround.

[Totoxa]

Based on the review on this thread I decided to get some boards and stencil done at pcbwin and I think they did a really god job. Also the boards were done very quick (three days, I paid extra).
This board has some fine pitch components (0.2 mm space between pads).

(excuse my shitty photos)

[DigitalDeath]

Hi Totoxa,

Do you happen to have some microscope or close-up pictures of the fine pitch pads and its soldermask? It looks like it's high quality.

[sdouble]

they made a batch of 600 pcbs for me. 4 layers, 2 rogers 4003c cores and fr4 prepreg.
In general , happy with the work.
Only problem : they modified my gerber without informing me. small mods but still...

[Koen]

I wonder if we'll ever see advertising accounts like Shenzhen123, chinese flag and broken mandarin from some company located in the UK.