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Offline jojobrka

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Re: Neoden 4 pick and place
« Reply #1250 on: October 03, 2017, 07:41:44 PM »
Hi, finally our Neoden4 arrived. :)
Using the instruction manual, we have performed settings and some tests.
Now we have a problem: All the components were standard placed  (by the machine) with an angle of 45 degree (what’s wrong)
We try to contact Neoden but they are on holiday until 7/10
Is there anyone who knows the solution ?
Thanks
 

Offline GEORGE12

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Re: Neoden 4 pick and place
« Reply #1251 on: October 04, 2017, 12:29:27 AM »
Hi jojobrka
The issue you pointed out is not big. need to see the CSV file you made, Maybe some correction factor needed in that.
rgds
George
 

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Re: Neoden 4 pick and place
« Reply #1252 on: October 05, 2017, 12:56:30 AM »
hi
Choose Program Edit >check pcb angle> if '45'there make it to '0'.
choose system settings >check upward photograph angle to '0'
 

Offline jojobrka

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Re: Neoden 4 pick and place
« Reply #1253 on: October 06, 2017, 01:42:57 AM »
Hi George,

Thanks for your answers.
It is a combination of 2 "problems"
1. pickup angle was set incorrectly
2. pcb angle: is not 0, but 29.33 degree / upward photograph is 0.5

1. fixed
2. we can't change the upward photograph and de pcb angle

Solution ??
 

Offline rjberry

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Re: Neoden 4 pick and place
« Reply #1254 on: October 07, 2017, 12:51:06 AM »
Hi All!
Well I did it! I order not only one Neoden4 but two Neoden4's with the conveyor to link them.
 I have a product with 4 boards and with two machines I can load them both with all the needed parts and build any board. So after the country reopens from their week long holiday, I hope to get my shipping info. 
I am debating on the monitor/keyboard setup for 2 machines. The conveyor seems to have space for one monitor and i am not sure where to put the first. I will have bench for the stencil printer but it may not be too convenient to program with it there.
I also looked at rolling workstation that can hold 2 monitors. What is everyone opinion? having both monitors in one location or split?
Also, for those who have the Neoden4 what is the best size monitor to see everything onscreen without weird scaling?
Best Regards,
Rob 
« Last Edit: October 07, 2017, 12:56:41 AM by rjberry »
 

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Re: Neoden 4 pick and place
« Reply #1255 on: October 07, 2017, 02:01:00 AM »
Hi All,

@rjberry,

I have two Neoden4 and one conveyor. I made Neoden4 working table.

Each table has its own monitor holder. The monitor and keyboard arm are movable and can rotate 360 degrees. At the same time it can be folded back and removed from its place. I think it's portable and useful.

The rotating parts were connected with the hinge. Feet adjustable plastic screw.

If you want, I can send you the technical drawing of these work tables.

I built it from 40x40 x 2mm iron profile. The total cost was 100usd.

I am pleased and highly recommended 19inch.

My monitors 19inch Philips. Logitec wireless keyboard and mouse.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2017, 02:03:41 AM by mistek »
 

Offline rjberry

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Re: Neoden 4 pick and place
« Reply #1256 on: October 07, 2017, 02:38:50 AM »
@mistek
Nice! I like what you did. I bought the neoden4 stands. your setup requires using your design.
Pity as I like what you did. I do have access to welding equipment. trying to think how to adapt your idea with the neoden4 stands....

Also, how do you like your oven? I will be looking for a production one soon. my simply prototype setup wont handle what we are planning.

Best Regards,
Rob
« Last Edit: October 07, 2017, 02:41:46 AM by rjberry »
 

Offline tony-tid

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Re: Neoden 4 pick and place
« Reply #1257 on: October 13, 2017, 05:44:12 PM »
HELP!!!  :scared:

Did someone have problem with neoden4 start up??
Today, I went to work and try to turn on the machine. It start for about 1-2 sec. and stoped....

I try everything.
1) press and release emergency stop
2)push the emergency stop then turn off by the button -> release emergency stop and turn on by the button
3)turn off by the button press emergency stop -> release emergency stop and turn on by the button
4)disconnect the power cable for 5min then again 1), 2), 3) :palm:

Now the power button dont light up, it light little lower only when the emergency stop is pressed(when it is released the power button dont light up!) :rant:
 

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Re: Neoden 4 pick and place
« Reply #1258 on: October 13, 2017, 06:47:20 PM »
HELP!!!  :scared:

Did someone have problem with neoden4 start up??
Today, I went to work and try to turn on the machine. It start for about 1-2 sec. and stoped....

I try everything.
1) press and release emergency stop
2)push the emergency stop then turn off by the button -> release emergency stop and turn on by the button
3)turn off by the button press emergency stop -> release emergency stop and turn on by the button
4)disconnect the power cable for 5min then again 1), 2), 3) :palm:

Now the power button dont light up, it light little lower only when the emergency stop is pressed(when it is released the power button dont light up!) :rant:
Sounds like a power supply problem - check the DC voltages on the output of the PSU
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Offline tony-tid

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Re: Neoden 4 pick and place
« Reply #1259 on: October 13, 2017, 06:56:28 PM »
Sounds like a power supply problem - check the DC voltages on the output of the PSU

Thanks for fast response. :-+
I was searching for other opinion hopefully to cover mine and i get it.   :phew:
I think the same, but I will wait for response by the seller, before disassemble the machine to check voltages.
 

Offline GEORGE12

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Re: Neoden 4 pick and place
« Reply #1260 on: October 16, 2017, 05:37:02 PM »
Hi jojobrka.
sorry i couldn't able to attach a pdf doc more than 1Mb , here .
i have the solution with certain pics related to your mentioned issue
rgds
George
 

Offline bezakb

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Re: Neoden 4 pick and place
« Reply #1261 on: October 17, 2017, 02:03:34 AM »
We have used Neoden 4 with extra feeders and spare parts for sale in Canada ($6,440 USD). More info in buy/sale/wanted.
 

Offline LitlePCB

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Re: Neoden 4 pick and place
« Reply #1262 on: October 24, 2017, 10:05:32 PM »
Does anyone have more information about the protocol used on the CAN bus of the feeder?
 

Offline jojobrka

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Re: Neoden 4 pick and place
« Reply #1263 on: November 02, 2017, 01:59:47 AM »
The Neoden4 is working fine now. :)

Only we have a little problem with one item: the tray feeder.
We build our own tray and we have entered the information in the Neoden software.
Columms; 15   Rows: 4    Right top X: 185.67   Right top y: 156.03   (by Align)

Start x: 1    Start y: 1

In the feeder information:
Pick up X : 82.88        Pick up Y: 125.26

We started the file and the nozzle takes the second IC (instead of first) of the 1 row. ROW correct, second IC not.
For the next pcb the nozzle has picked up de 4e IC of the 1 row.
The next   6e IC of the 1 row.

Does anyone know a solution ??

Best Regards

JoJo
 

Offline jmelson

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Re: Neoden 4 pick and place
« Reply #1264 on: November 02, 2017, 07:10:23 AM »

Start x: 1    Start y: 1

I
We started the file and the nozzle takes the second IC (instead of first) of the 1 row. ROW correct, second IC not.
For the next pcb the nozzle has picked up de 4e IC of the 1 row.
The next   6e IC of the 1 row.

Does anyone know a solution ??
I have a Philips CSM84, after teaching the first chip location in the tray, you set the position to 0 0 !  Then, it picks up the first chip in the first row.  So, you might try that, instead of 1 1.

Jon
 

Offline jojobrka

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Re: Neoden 4 pick and place
« Reply #1265 on: November 02, 2017, 09:35:20 PM »
We tried before, it doesn't help

Thanks
 

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Re: Neoden 4 pick and place
« Reply #1266 on: November 02, 2017, 09:36:27 PM »
On the pictures it looks like it skips each other component, is the component dimensions and offset correct ?
 

Offline litl_big_chickn

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Re: Neoden 4 pick and place
« Reply #1267 on: November 17, 2017, 02:37:38 AM »
Hi. I am new to this site and to the Neoden 4 and to pick and place machines.

I have managed to setup the feeders and made the CSV file from CAD. I have 3 components in a tray. And about 28 other components in reels.

What goes well is placement of small passives 0603, 0402 they are perfect.

So far I have experienced several problems:
1. The digi-reels seems to have slightly too wide plastic so they get stuck.
2. Some reels gets pulled up and get stuck
3. Some reels with blister gets deformed by the spring so they cannot be picked up
4. Some reels with blisters - even though I believe they should be okay for placement - they touch a smaller gearwheel and gets pushed up
5. Sometimes the auto-rails stops working and machine has to be rebooted.
6. IC rotation is a problem sometimes - perhaps I will figure out why. Because it looks like the camera and vision sees the angle, but its not corrected 100%.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2017, 10:56:18 AM by litl_big_chickn »
 


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