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Offline jefflieuTopic starter

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Homemade manual pick and place
« on: July 17, 2017, 12:52:09 pm »
Hello,
Inspired by this guy http://vpapanik.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/low-budget-manual-pick-place.html] [url]http://vpapanik.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/low-budget-manual-pick-place.html[/url], I've made similar manual pick and place device with some improvements.
The bill of materials are posted here https://blog.jayvee-store.com/2017/06/26/manual-pick-and-place-machine/
I'm from Australia, so all the parts to construct the frame are from Bunnings warehouse.
It works quite well and very helpful if your hands are not so steady.
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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2017, 08:57:11 pm »
On small boards, you can usually rest the heel of your hand on something to steady it.  Or, maybe your forearm.  I agree, on larger boards, you don't have a place to rest your arm without touching the board, so that is a problem.  I'd invest in good tweezers and a stereo zoom microscope first, WAY more useful.  I do have a full-auto P&P machine, but did a LOT of manual P&P before I got it, and still make prototypes by hand, as well as a lot of rework.  I've always found ways to just use my hands and good curved-nose tweezers to do it.

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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2017, 10:29:23 pm »
Yeah? I decided to do this after many times of touching the solder paste of the unplaced area with my little finger.
What's the stereo zoom microscope you use?
Thanks
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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2017, 02:56:24 am »
You seem to be struggling with the fine placement accuracy to put the part down with the result that the placement is very slow.
 

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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2017, 12:22:08 pm »
Yeah, I think I'll get better in terms of speed.
I don't have any problem locating the part. I do get some difficulty releasing the part.
For some reason, sometimes it takes a while to release the small part (not sure of static or the pipe is too tight, the pressure not released). I'm still working on that. With proper solder paste, it'll make small part stick to the board better and not get moved at releasing.
You've done it before? Any trick?
You seem to be struggling with the fine placement accuracy to put the part down with the result that the placement is very slow.
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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2017, 08:58:19 pm »
What's the stereo zoom microscope you use?
I got an old Olympus stereo microscope through an eBay contact at least 10 years ago.  I had to make my own stand for it.
There is a Chinese microscope that we got at work, it also works well.  The big deal is to get a long working distance, at least 4", 6" is even better.
This gives you room to have the board, your hands, and a soldering iron under there.  I made my own ring lights that are behind the objective lenses, so you don't lose any of the working distance.

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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2017, 09:25:03 pm »
I've got an old Olympus as well, if you can get one they're great scopes. The ring light works pretty well but often times I'd prefer a separate light that I can position. The reason for this is that the ring light creates a lot of glare and it can be difficult to tell what you're looking at. I.e. is that shiny bulge between the pads a solder bridge or just flux?

 
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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2017, 10:11:51 pm »
With proper solder paste, it'll make small part stick to the board better and not get moved at releasing.


Are you just stopping the pump to release vac?  Maybe use a NC solenoid valve on a tee to open the suction line to atmosphere would be better.
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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2017, 12:24:29 pm »
I've got an old Olympus as well, if you can get one they're great scopes. The ring light works pretty well but often times I'd prefer a separate light that I can position. The reason for this is that the ring light creates a lot of glare and it can be difficult to tell what you're looking at. I.e. is that shiny bulge between the pads a solder bridge or just flux?
Yeah, I have the ring of LED on my USB scope as well, but it's too shiny and gives glare bounced off the PC board. Natural sunlight is the best.
Are you just stopping the pump to release vac?  Maybe use a NC solenoid valve on a tee to open the suction line to atmosphere would be better.
Yeah I just stop the pump to release. Do you know of any small solenoid valve that I can get from ebay? The tube is only 5mm inner  diameter.
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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2017, 12:35:07 am »
Yeah I just stop the pump to release. Do you know of any small solenoid valve that I can get from ebay? The tube is only 5mm inner  diameter.

Don't know about eBay but a search of aliexpress shows a couple...

https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?ltype=wholesale&d=y&origin=y&blanktest=0&SearchText=air+solenoid+valve+5mm&tc=af&isViewCP=y&catId=0
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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2017, 01:36:25 am »
For vacuum release on my unit I used a couple of these solenoids:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1-8-2-Way-Normally-Closed-Pneumatic-Aluminum-Electric-Solenoid-Air-Valve-12V-DC-/172511868369

I wired in a relay so when one was operated the other was released.
They are plumbed with one in series between the vacuum source and the pick up needle.
The second one is T'd off the side on the needle side of the first solenoid and vents to atmosphere.
When the foot switch releases the in line solenoid closes (stopping vacuum) and the second solenoid opens releasing any residual vacuum in the line.


I'm also using a compressor from an old bar fridge (courtesy of curbside pickup) as a vacuum source. It pulls a good vacuum and is very very quiet in operation.
I use a short piece of PVC storm water pipe as a vacuum reservoir.


 
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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2017, 02:00:50 am »
@DTJ
I really like that design.
I have been thinking about building something for a while.
No excuse now... Guess I know what I will be doing this weekend.
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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2017, 02:18:24 am »
@DTJ
I really like that design.
I have been thinking about building something for a while.
No excuse now... Guess I know what I will be doing this weekend.

Initially I build an XY carriage style machine but for me I found there was too much inertia and stiction when moving.

I copied / modified a commercial system (that I can't remember the name of).
I need to add an arm / wrist rest as occasionally I'll end up dobbing my little finger on a board, smearing the paste.
Make sure your base board is thick / rigid enough as the arm puts quite a bit of bending force on it at full extension.
I used cheap 8mm ID bearings and some 25x25 aluminium bar I had lying around. The mount to the board is an old Ikea couch leg.

Three's lots of good ideas to be found googling "manual pick and place machine"

http://www.briandorey.com/docs/diy-pick-and-place-part1/02.jpg

http://www.briandorey.com/docs/diy-pick-and-place-part1/03.jpg


What would be really cool is to build some mechanical reduction into the mechanism like this manipulator does:

https://www.singerinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/overview-mk11.jpg




 

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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2017, 02:31:14 am »
I have an articulated monitor arm that was purchased ages ago.
I never used it in the end because it turned out to be too lightweight for the monitor.
Hopefully I can reuse parts of that and add some bearings at the joints.

Love the Singer mechanical reduction unit.
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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2017, 12:03:31 pm »
Thanks guys!
I'll checkout the valve.
I also realize that in my setup, I rely on the arm/palm's muscle to move the nozzle X-Y, which is not ideal.
So for precision I have to involve the left hand fingers as well.

With DTJ design in the video (without wrist rest), I'm impressed that you show quite precise control with your arm.
With a wrist rest, it's even better. you can manoeuvre using fingers which is meant for fine control, quicker and more precise.
Thanks DTJ for sharing, that's pretty impressive pump.
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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2017, 01:41:11 pm »
Your set up is pretty neat too Jeff. I'd like to add a camera at some stage when funds permit.

The video was shot on the first try out, it's a bit smoother to operate when you're sitting down and not holding a phone camera in your other hand.

For your linear stages would having pre-loaded linear return springs under the X & Y carriages make it easier to operate smoothly?
That way you when you relax the applied force it will move back slowly.
Maybe use very long springs to get a uniform linear force.



 

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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2017, 06:40:17 pm »
This is the contraption I use for manual placement and soldering.

right hand rests on the carbon fiber board and left moves the pcb around as needed. This prevents me from touching the paste during manual placement, allows to keep my hand always in the same place, and also keep the microscope focused on the same work area.
 

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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2017, 01:59:58 am »
Using the bridge is a good simple solution. It also lets you still use your microscope that my system doesn't.
 

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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2017, 02:14:35 am »
I came across this yesterday, and have ordered parts to replicate it.

https://blog.ohmnilabs.com/diy-vacuum-pickup-smt-pick-and-place



 

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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2017, 07:28:54 am »
The constant current mode on the power supply seems to work well.
 

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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2017, 10:10:30 am »
This is not for DIY, but the layout looks simple with good access to a number of feeders.

 

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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2017, 11:18:35 am »
This is not for DIY, but the layout looks simple with good access to a number of feeders.




It could be DIY......    ;)

Look at the manual feeders here:

https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20170721011506&SearchText=manual+pick+and+place
 

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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2017, 12:59:49 pm »
@Mr.B

This is the system I got my ideas from:



http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1526394.pdf
 

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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2017, 09:01:33 pm »
@Mr.B

This is the system I got my ideas from:

Looks fairly good.
I like the idea of what looks like a sliding wrist rest.

I ran out of time this weekend just gone.
I will have a go at starting a project to build something similar to yours next weekend.
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Re: Homemade manual pick and place
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2017, 01:41:57 am »
@Mr.B

This is the system I got my ideas from:

Looks fairly good.
I like the idea of what looks like a sliding wrist rest.

I ran out of time this weekend just gone.
I will have a go at starting a project to build something similar to yours next weekend.

The main thing I noticed when making it was that it needs to be quite rigid so it doesn't sag.

The holes for the bearings in the arm need to be a reasonably good fit. I used 8mm bolts in the joints for rigidity.
 


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