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New Suba Engineering PCB Microscope - Tagarno Killer?
« on: September 07, 2018, 04:37:38 pm »
A brief look at the impressive new Suba Engineering PCB Microscope.
Designed and manufactured in Australia.
Tagarno Killer?

 

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Re: New Suba Engineering PCB Microscope - Tagarno Killer?
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2018, 04:51:47 pm »
Do you have any price indication?
The Sony camera is the best in market at this price range.
You receive a wide auto focus range and high light sensitivity.
 

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Re: New Suba Engineering PCB Microscope - Tagarno Killer?
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2018, 05:17:17 pm »
I bet Dave already asked them to send him one to review.
 

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Re: New Suba Engineering PCB Microscope - Tagarno Killer?
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2018, 05:56:19 pm »
Price is mentioned in the video about $1800 Australian. Looks good, and at Australia's dollar value this will be an excellent export product.
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Re: New Suba Engineering PCB Microscope - Tagarno Killer?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2018, 05:57:15 pm »
Price is mentioned in the video about $1800 Australian. Looks good, and at Australia's dollar value this will be an excellent export product.
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The Sony camera is the best in market at this price range.
You receive a wide auto focus range and high light sensitivity.
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Wonder how long it takes to boot...
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Re: New Suba Engineering PCB Microscope - Tagarno Killer?
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2018, 06:12:45 pm »
The tagarno has the fancy electronic control box for zoom control etc and some rather expensive software 'options'. They really are slightly different beasts with possibly different usage. For basic inspection the Suba product is VERY compelling at that price point.  We ordered one, apparently they sold 16 on the first day.
 

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Re: New Suba Engineering PCB Microscope - Tagarno Killer?
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2018, 06:54:00 pm »
Do you have any price indication?

Thought I said that in the video, AU$1800 including the 4K monitor and stand, a complete package.
 

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Re: New Suba Engineering PCB Microscope - Tagarno Killer?
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2018, 06:55:01 pm »
I bet Dave already asked them to send him one to review.

I didn't actually. Probably should have. Need to use it some more, but I think I get one to replace my Tagarno, it's seem to offer many advantages for the types of video I do.
 

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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2018, 06:55:44 pm »
The tagarno has the fancy electronic control box for zoom control etc and some rather expensive software 'options'. They really are slightly different beasts with possibly different usage. For basic inspection the Suba product is VERY compelling at that price point.  We ordered one, apparently they sold 16 on the first day.

The owner told me they got an order for 400 units, not sure from whom.
 

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Re: New Suba Engineering PCB Microscope - Tagarno Killer?
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2018, 06:56:41 pm »
Wonder how long it takes to boot...

Good question, didn't try that!
I think my Tagarno is about 4-5 seconds.
 

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Re: New Suba Engineering PCB Microscope - Tagarno Killer?
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2018, 07:00:11 pm »
I bet Dave already asked them to send him one to review.

I didn't actually. Probably should have. Need to use it some more, but I think I get one to replace my Tagarno, it's seem to offer many advantages for the types of video I do.

For videos like this you should have an affilliate link so a manufacturer can see how many leads they get as a result of your video - might be useful in persuading them to supply units for review etc.
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Re: New Suba Engineering PCB Microscope - Tagarno Killer?
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2018, 03:04:20 am »
The tagarno has the fancy electronic control box for zoom control etc and some rather expensive software 'options'. They really are slightly different beasts with possibly different usage. For basic inspection the Suba product is VERY compelling at that price point.  We ordered one, apparently they sold 16 on the first day.

Said Tagarno fancy control box is fairly badly thought out (especially on the lower end model) and not super friendly - having to long press/ short press the button for focus and zoom and the clunky and not responsive menu system is infuriating. The temperamental height adjustment system is also just annoying. It is bad to a point we were seriously considering reverse engineering the control protocol and making a replacement control box with a better UX.


The owner told me they got an order for 400 units, not sure from whom.

Not surprised. I saw your video about 5 minutes ago and already sent and email to Suba to buy one to evaluate and assuming it is as good as it appears to be in your video I will buy more in a heartbeat and push all my clients in the same direction.  For the efficiency gain from the autofocus feature alone I would happily pay <more> than the price of the Tagarno - given its price point this is a ridiculously awesome deal.
 

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Re: New Suba Engineering PCB Microscope - Tagarno Killer?
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2018, 04:41:11 am »
I wonder what the latency is like - .it only takes a small delay to render a magnifier useless for working under ( as opposed to inspection)
 
Odd that they supply the monitor ( though maybe to ensure latency performance) - will add unnecessary costs for shipping etc. if you could buy the monitor locally. Maybe they offer the option for overseas buyers.
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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2018, 08:49:34 am »
I wonder what the latency is like - .it only takes a small delay to render a magnifier useless for working under ( as opposed to inspection)
 
Odd that they supply the monitor ( though maybe to ensure latency performance) - will add unnecessary costs for shipping etc. if you could buy the monitor locally. Maybe they offer the option for overseas buyers.

I know not everyone has this problem... I can't solder without 3d optics though. I'm an absolute mess soldering in 2d.
 

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Re: New Suba Engineering PCB Microscope - Tagarno Killer?
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2018, 07:30:06 am »
imo industrial design fail, it looks like a early generation portable vacuum cleaner

seriously I wanna open the top and empty the collection bin.

Does no one else see it? and the logo  :palm: It looks like it came off a energy drink can.

And the best soldering video microscope I used is the one I made from a old analog CCTV cam, because it felt completely real time, but my optics came out absolutely massive (like 1 feet long), and it was unfortunately black and white, but had good line resolution.
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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2018, 11:05:33 am »
I've found that tryign to use a video compared scope vs a Mantis type scope is chalk and cheese.      Theres times i'd love to be able to take pics of what i'm looking at, but for fixing a problem, ( reworking a joint for example ) the mantis is the right tool.
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2018, 11:10:41 am »
I want one pretty bad. It is a good price for the whole package.
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Re: New Suba Engineering PCB Microscope - Tagarno Killer?
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2018, 11:16:51 am »
I never really did commercial PCB inspection (other then the odd board) but arent there certain defects that don't show up well on a video microscope but are easily seen on a 3d one?
 

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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2018, 11:21:22 am »
I never really did commercial PCB inspection (other then the odd board) but arent there certain defects that don't show up well on a video microscope but are easily seen on a 3d one?

Yes....to see it all the PCB needs to be tilted or use a mirror.
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Re: New Suba Engineering PCB Microscope - Tagarno Killer?
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2018, 11:26:59 am »
The major benefit I can see is that if you are looking at a fragile ceramic PCB you don't want the operator holding it, so maybe you can make some kinda limited range of motion jig to put it up on (i assume you still wanna tilt it a little bit), but i don't know if there is good reason not to do the same with a video scope.

do you think the 3d vision makes it easier to see since your brain gets all the info at once, rather then trying to fuss with it in 2d? since its giving you more information in any one time. I never used a mantis, only a eyepiece one, which I find downright irritating to use.
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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2018, 11:41:52 am »
The ultimate microscope experience is still the Vision Engineering Mantis.

They are stunning for inspection and assembly. If you need video for presentation or recording - they don't offer anything super special though.
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Re: New Suba Engineering PCB Microscope - Tagarno Killer?
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2018, 06:57:21 pm »
The ultimate microscope experience is still the Vision Engineering Mantis.

They are stunning for inspection and assembly. If you need video for presentation or recording - they don't offer anything super special though.

Maybe the ones they had at Electronex weren't set right, but I was really unimpressed, sure it had a nice image, but I needed to keep my head within a few millimeters of the sweet spot to see it, and even then, I didn't see what the huge benefit was over a camera based system.
 

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« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2018, 08:00:14 pm »
The ultimate microscope experience is still the Vision Engineering Mantis. 

They are stunning for inspection and assembly. If you need video for presentation or recording - they don't offer anything super special though.\


Yup. i agree.  I''ve not seen teh suba, but have tryed lots of other cameras.  I'm yet to see one that compares to using the mantis for inspection  / rework etc.       But as you say,  useless for makign videos.
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Re: New Suba Engineering PCB Microscope - Tagarno Killer?
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2018, 09:16:31 pm »
I had a chat with a Vision Engineering rep about their camera/video offerings and they were a bit embarrassed that are so poor. I can't see it would be that hard to add a beamsplitter to get a decent image with a similar FOV.

The "3Dness" of the Mantis is hard to explain til you use one - basically you can move your head around to get slightly different view angles of a static subject. Depth of focus is also pretty good, and you can nudge it around with your forehead for minor hands-free adjustments.

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Re: New Suba Engineering PCB Microscope - Tagarno Killer?
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2018, 09:29:14 pm »
The ultimate microscope experience is still the Vision Engineering Mantis.
They are stunning for inspection and assembly. If you need video for presentation or recording - they don't offer anything super special though.

I'm continually frustrated at seeing a stunning image in the Mantis and then not being able to capture it, even a still image. The image quality is just garbage  >:(
 


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