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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #750 on: September 19, 2018, 12:26:38 pm »
Finally received the unit and tips today. Didn't have time to give it a good run yet (just soldered few things mostly to see if it's working OK), but so far so good.
BUT - I wasn't impressed with the packaging. I don't know if it's PACE's fault, TEQ, Borderfree, or DHL, but the packaging leaves something to be desired. The main unit's bag was all torn apart and pieces of it were just dangling on the corners of unit, the tips (they were shipped in a separate box with just them and big airbags) were out of their plastic tubes and all over the box. I had to fish one of the tips from under the carton flap on the bottom of the box. After such treatment it was somewhat ironic to see that some of the tubes contained soft cushions seemingly to protect fine tips ;D

The Main Box with the unit is PACE's packaging so we take full responsibility the crappy packaging. But the box of tips is TEquipment's responsibility, as they pull the tips from stock and then box them up.

I have one question though - I couldn't figure out what the stuff on attached photo is for. I tried to download the manual, but the link to user manual on your product page is broken and leads to nowhere (404). I've found a link to user manual in the quickstart guide, but there is nothing regarding these things. through the holes and secured on the inside of the Stand with the thumb I know this is quite possibly a really dump question, or maybe my brain doesn't work well that late in the evening, but still I would like to know what it's for ::)

That set of hardware for attaching the provided Tip & Tool Stand to either side of the ADS200 Power Supply, and can also be used to mate multiple Tip & Tool Stands together. If you look on either side of the Tool Stand, you'll see 2 holes - the screws are inserted through the outside holes and secured with the plastic thumbscrews inside the Tool Stand (they should only be half-tightened at this point). The head of the screws are then slid from the back of the unit through the "T-Slot" Extrusions on either side of the Power Supply. Then the thumbscrews are fully tightened and voila, your Tool Stand is firmly connected to the Power Supply rather than free standing! Frankly, only about .05% of customers actually attach the Tool Stand to the side of the unit, as it's much more flexible to use them free-standing, but we include the hardware anyway, just in case.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #751 on: September 19, 2018, 12:49:28 pm »
The Main Box with the unit is PACE's packaging so we take full responsibility the crappy packaging.
To be honest, the main unit looks like it doesn't need any bag around it as it's so durable :-+  I guess it just rubbed against holding carton pieces which did not hold the unit secure enough to withstand the rigors of shipping. I didn't find any damage, it just looked a bit like...what I expect a cheap-ass chinese soldering station to look like if you know what I mean. The power of first impression and all that ::)
 
That set of hardware for attaching the provided Tip & Tool Stand to either side of the ADS200 Power Supply, and can also be used to mate multiple Tip & Tool Stands together. If you look on either side of the Tool Stand, you'll see 2 holes - the screws are inserted through the outside holes and secured with the plastic thumbscrews inside the Tool Stand (they should only be half-tightened at this point). The head of the screws are then slid from the back of the unit through the "T-Slot" Extrusions on either side of the Power Supply. Then the thumbscrews are fully tightened and voila, your Tool Stand is firmly connected to the Power Supply rather than free standing! Frankly, only about .05% of customers actually attach the Tool Stand to the side of the unit, as it's much more flexible to use them free-standing, but we include the hardware anyway, just in case.
Thanks, you might want to add this information into user manual specifically for dumbasses like me ::) I actually do prefer it free-standing too due to the way things are laid out on my desk.
Last question - my work desk is somewhat crowded, so ISB cable goes near exhaust vent of desktop reflow oven which blows out hot air for a short time during cooldown phase of reflow profile. Is that cable temperature-resistant (like pencil's cable is), or I will need to rearrange my stuff somehow to make sure it doesn't get anywhere near where hot air can be?
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #752 on: September 19, 2018, 12:55:32 pm »

Last question - my work desk is somewhat crowded, so ISB cable goes near exhaust vent of desktop reflow oven which blows out hot air for a short time during cooldown phase of reflow profile. Is that cable temperature-resistant (like pencil's cable is), or I will need to rearrange my stuff somehow to make sure it doesn't get anywhere near where hot air can be?

That's a great question! I have no idea but I'll test it out tomorrow when I get to PACE and get back to you. I really don't know.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #753 on: September 19, 2018, 01:03:33 pm »
That's a great question! I have no idea but I'll test it out tomorrow when I get to PACE and get back to you. I really don't know.

Aaron
Thank you very much for your prompt responses - I really appreciate this! This is very refreshing after dealing with manufacturers on the other side of the globe, with usual turnaround times of a day due to time zone difference! :-+
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #754 on: September 19, 2018, 03:53:09 pm »
That's a great question! I have no idea but I'll test it out tomorrow when I get to PACE and get back to you. I really don't know.

Aaron
Thank you very much for your prompt responses - I really appreciate this! This is very refreshing after dealing with manufacturers on the other side of the globe, with usual turnaround times of a day due to time zone difference! :-+

What tips did you get Asmi?
Soldering/Rework: Pace ADS200, Pace MBT350
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #755 on: September 19, 2018, 10:49:10 pm »
What tips did you get Asmi?
1/128" Conical (0.20mm) - 1130-0036-P1
1/32" 30 Degree Chisel (0.80mm) - 1131-0012-P1
1/16" 30 Degree Chisel (1.59mm) - 1131-0019-P1
1/64" Conical Sharp Bent 30 Degree (0.40mm) - 1131-0003-P1
13/64" Chisel (5.15mm) - 1131-0010-P1

I do a lot of super fine components (like 0201, 0402 and DFN/QFN/QFP with 0.4 or 0.5 mm pitch), so most of these tips are quite fine.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #756 on: September 20, 2018, 01:21:31 am »
That's a great question! I have no idea but I'll test it out tomorrow when I get to PACE and get back to you. I really don't know.

Aaron
Thank you very much for your prompt responses - I really appreciate this! This is very refreshing after dealing with manufacturers on the other side of the globe, with usual turnaround times of a day due to time zone difference! :-+

Hi asmi,

I tested out the ISB Tool Stand cord this morning by applying the TD-200 Iron set at max temp (850°F/454°C) and touching the cord for 15 seconds. Yep, it's heat resistant and was not damaged in any way. According to our engineers, the wires are sheathed in the very same burn-proof ESD-safe silicone sleeves that we use on all our other handpieces.

By the way, concerning the fine point tips you use, you may want to try out our 1/128"/0.20mm Conical, Special Tip Heater Cartridge PN 1130-0050-P1:

www.paceworldwide.com/products/tips-and-nozzles/soldering-iron-tips/td200-standard-blue-series-tips/1128020mm-conical-special-tip-heater-cartridge

This tip is almost identical to the 1/128" Conical Tip Heater Cartridge PN 1130-0036-P1 you are using, but it has been slightly beveled on the working end so that it transfers heat better and was designed specifically for a hearing aid manufacturer for 0201 soldering. When you look at the photo, you really can't tell but that subtle modification makes a difference.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #757 on: September 20, 2018, 02:21:00 am »
I tested out the ISB Tool Stand cord this morning by applying the TD-200 Iron set at max temp (850°F/454°C) and touching the cord for 15 seconds. Yep, it's heat resistant and was not damaged in any way. According to our engineers, the wires are sheathed in the very same burn-proof ESD-safe silicone sleeves that we use on all our other handpieces.
Thanks for the update! It's good to know!

By the way, concerning the fine point tips you use, you may want to try out our 1/128"/0.20mm Conical, Special Tip Heater Cartridge PN 1130-0050-P1:
I will look into this, but I think I will have to wait for these to show up in stock at your canadian distributors because paying 42 CAD for shipping of 15 CAD item don't seem sensible to me. And it's not currently in stock at TEQ anyway.
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #758 on: September 28, 2018, 09:41:28 pm »
Can I use MT-100 MiniTweez with ADS200? This was mentioned in this thread but I've never seen any confirmation on Pace homepage.

Second question: are there any tips included in the 8007-0580?
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #759 on: September 28, 2018, 10:36:45 pm »
Can I use MT-100 MiniTweez with ADS200? This was mentioned in this thread but I've never seen any confirmation on Pace homepage.

Unfortunately not. The MT-100 MiniTweez is only compatible with "IntellHeat" powered PACE handpieces, meaning it has a different connector and runs on older PACE stations (ST 30, ST 50, ST 70, ST 100, MBT 301, MBT 350). The ADS200 uses "AccuDrive" temperature control, which uses a different connector. Also, while IntelliHeat powered tip-heater cartridges look almost identical to AccuDrive Tips, they both run on completely different voltages. Thus, if you plug an IntelliHeat Tip Cartridge into an AccuDrive TD-200 Handpiece, the IntelliHeat cartridge will work for a time ... then burn out within hours. We had to completely redesign the internal structure of ADS Tip Cartridges to achieve the higher wattage of AccuDrive Tips (80 versus 120 Watts).

On the positive side, we have a completely redesigned/much improved AccuDrive version of the MT-100 MiniTweez handpiece in development that will be available in late Jan ... Can't give you details yet but the prototype looks awesome! 


Second question: are there any tips included in the 8007-0580?

At the present time, none of our ADS200 configurations come with tips. Since the ADS200 is very price sensitive, we did not want to add an extra $11 (£9/€11) to the list price. In the next few months, we are planning to introduce a version of the ADS200 that comes with 3 tips.

Hope this answers your questions.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #760 on: September 30, 2018, 06:07:30 am »
I know there is the option to add the self-made ISB later to the stand but is an "upgrade kit" or spare part(s) available to convert a standard stand to an ISB model by pace as a spare stand would be useless for me? Whether due to lack of interest, no demand or something else I seem to be able to get a non-ISB model very quickly but ISB model would have to be ordered from the states (230V).
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #761 on: October 02, 2018, 12:50:01 am »
I know there is the option to add the self-made ISB later to the stand but is an "upgrade kit" or spare part(s) available to convert a standard stand to an ISB model by pace as a spare stand would be useless for me? Whether due to lack of interest, no demand or something else I seem to be able to get a non-ISB model very quickly but ISB model would have to be ordered from the states (230V).
thanks for your time

Hi Dhekhanur,

While we were late in producing the ISB version of the ADS200, it has been readily available since the end of June. So this is likely a decision made on the part of our authorized distributor in Finland (Prodi Oy, if that is the distributor you are using). They simply stocked up on the non-ISB model rather than buy the ISB version, which seems to be gaining some popularity. I will contact our UK office, to discuss with the European Regional Sales Manager and get back to you.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #762 on: October 02, 2018, 02:06:58 am »
I know there is the option to add the self-made ISB later to the stand but is an "upgrade kit" or spare part(s) available to convert a standard stand to an ISB model by pace as a spare stand would be useless for me? Whether due to lack of interest, no demand or something else I seem to be able to get a non-ISB model very quickly but ISB model would have to be ordered from the states (230V).
thanks for your time

Hi Dhekhanur,

While we were late in producing the ISB version of the ADS200, it has been readily available since the end of June. So this is likely a decision made on the part of our authorized distributor in Finland (Prodi Oy, if that is the distributor you are using). They simply stocked up on the non-ISB model rather than buy the ISB version, which seems to be gaining some popularity. I will contact our UK office, to discuss with the European Regional Sales Manager and get back to you.

Aaron

I contacted the PACE UK Office, and The ADS200 with ISB Tool Stand (230VAC) PN 8007-0581 is available direct from our paceworldwide.com website (definitely in stock) or via Farnell (sales@farnell.co.uk). If you buy direct from PACE, you will have to register by going to any product page and pushing the blue button on the right that says "Login/Register here ...".

If you have any questions please contact the PACE Europe LTD offices at

PACE Europe, LTD
11 Holdom Avenue
Bletchley, Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire
MK1 1QU, United Kingdom
+44 1908 277666
dwinship@paceworldwide.com

Hope this helps,

Aaron
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #763 on: October 02, 2018, 02:30:06 am »
Any reason Pace doesn't make the ISB switch/cable assembly available as an upgrade or replacement part?
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #764 on: October 02, 2018, 02:37:19 am »
Any reason Pace doesn't make the ISB switch/cable assembly available as an upgrade or replacement part?

Yes, we do. The Instant SetBack (ISB) Tip & Tool Stand for TD-200 (and TD-100A) PN 6019-0089-P1 is compatible with any PACE station that has an ISB connector on the back panel of the power supply (ST 30, ST50, ST 70, ST 100, MBT 301, MBT 350 and ADS200):

www.paceworldwide.com/products/accessories/instant-setback-tip-and-tool-stand-for-td200-and-TD100A

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #765 on: October 02, 2018, 02:40:53 am »

Yes, we do. The Instant SetBack (ISB) Tip & Tool Stand for TD-200 (and TD-100A) PN 6019-0089-P1 is compatible with any PACE station that has an ISB connector on the back panel of the power supply (ST 30, ST50, ST 70, ST 100, MBT 301, MBT 350 and ADS200):

www.paceworldwide.com/products/accessories/instant-setback-tip-and-tool-stand-for-td200-and-TD100A

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I meant just the switch and cable assembly.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #766 on: October 02, 2018, 02:52:13 am »

Yes, we do. The Instant SetBack (ISB) Tip & Tool Stand for TD-200 (and TD-100A) PN 6019-0089-P1 is compatible with any PACE station that has an ISB connector on the back panel of the power supply (ST 30, ST50, ST 70, ST 100, MBT 301, MBT 350 and ADS200):

www.paceworldwide.com/products/accessories/instant-setback-tip-and-tool-stand-for-td200-and-TD100A

Aaron

I meant just the switch and cable assembly.

Oh sorry. No, we don't make that available although there were some discussions of making one available.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #767 on: October 02, 2018, 05:28:01 am »
On the positive side, we have a completely redesigned/much improved AccuDrive version of the MT-100 MiniTweez handpiece in development that will be available in late Jan ... Can't give you details yet but the prototype looks awesome! 

Hopefully this does not continue getting pushed out.  Was hoping for Oct/Nov, but Jan will do.

What is the current firmware version?  And is a new one going to be issued soon?  I just received a unit and waiting to see if I should request new firmware now or just wait a bit.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #768 on: October 02, 2018, 05:35:13 am »
On the positive side, we have a completely redesigned/much improved AccuDrive version of the MT-100 MiniTweez handpiece in development that will be available in late Jan ... Can't give you details yet but the prototype looks awesome! 

What is the current firmware version?  And is a new one going to be issued soon?  I just received a unit and waiting to see if I should request new firmware now or just wait a bit.

We are about to announce a Firmware Rev "1-4" later on in the week. At that time, I will give instructions as to how any PACE customers on EEVBlog with Rev 1-1, 1-2 or 1-3 can obtain a free upgrade.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #769 on: October 02, 2018, 05:41:46 am »
Hi Aaron,
Thanks for the quick reply. I am sorry to hear that there is no official way to convert a standard TD-100A/TD-200 stand to an ISB model (I do not count purchasing the isb stand a conversion as what i meant was indeed cable and pcb/switch only). I expected this to be the case but nevertheless it never hurts to ask.

At the time I checked the ISB version of the ADS200 was not stocked by Farnell however it seems it now is so thanks for that.

Lastly is there a sheet or list of all consumeables compiled for the ADS200 specifically even if the customer may not treat it as such. The O-rings come to mind. In this case. (in contrast to the obvious sponge and brass wool.

Added later: While you may or may not be able to confirm this is a SX-100 analogue planned for the accudrive equivalent of the st-115 or st-75 or whatever
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #770 on: October 02, 2018, 06:34:02 am »

Lastly is there a sheet or list of all consumeables compiled for the ADS200 specifically even if the customer may not treat it as such. The O-rings come to mind. In this case. (in contrast to the obvious sponge and brass wool.

Added later: While you may or may not be able to confirm this is a SX-100 analogue planned for the accudrive equivalent of the st-115 or st-75 or whatever

Please see the attached ADS200 Price Lists (see below) including current list pricing for all 4 currencies we sell into including US$, £, € and what we call "Export" pricing which is US$ pricing in Asia (this includes Australia & New Zealand). The TD-200 O-Ring PN 1213-0090-P5 (pkg of 5 each) is not on any of the lists but has list pricing of US$3.57/£2.84/€3.50 and "Export" pricing of US$3.80 per pack of 5:

www.paceworldwide.com/products/spare-parts/td200-td100a-and-td100-replacement-o-rings

Concerning the SX-100, there will likely be an analog created for our upcoming new rework station that will replace the MBT 350, but this is "on the drawing board" and whether an AccuDrive version is designed will not be decided upon until 2nd quarter, next year.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #771 on: October 02, 2018, 06:45:19 am »
Thank you for the quick reply. It is exciting to hear you guys working on a successor to the MBT-350 even if I myself as a hobbyist will never have a use case for it.

First of all please give yourself a pat on the back as your contributions in this thread in particular has conviced me that when I need a soldering station the Pace ADS200 will be the leading candidate in my mind.

Secondly thanks for reposting the price sheets of tips and stations but maybe I confused spare parts with consumables as those are what I was expecting. Maybe it might be worth it to make a list or speadsheet or whatever to list all currently compatible spare parts for the ads200 not neccessarily with prices just the title and product number would help a lot as the spare parts section of the website well let's say it could be improved upon
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #772 on: October 02, 2018, 07:23:14 am »
Thank you for the quick reply. It is exciting to hear you guys working on a successor to the MBT-350 even if I myself as a hobbyist will never have a use case for it.

First of all please give yourself a pat on the back as your contributions in this thread in particular has conviced me that when I need a soldering station the Pace ADS200 will be the leading candidate in my mind.

Secondly thanks for reposting the price sheets of tips and stations but maybe I confused spare parts with consumables as those are what I was expecting. Maybe it might be worth it to make a list or speadsheet or whatever to list all currently compatible spare parts for the ads200 not neccessarily with prices just the title and product number would help a lot as the spare parts section of the website well let's say it could be improved upon

We're working on a brand spanking new website that is due to be launched in January to improve upon the rather inadequate spare parts situation on our site. Right now our website is built on a very old platform called Drupal, which is extremely outdated and the site is extremely difficult to modify. But we hear you and will strive to make it better ... Thanks for the comments!

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #773 on: October 02, 2018, 11:36:55 pm »
Thanks, that's the best news ever.

If you are taking requests for the new site here I have a suggestion for you to think about: While I'm not your target demographic as a hobbyist please consider contrasting the different handpieces on the new site as currently I have no idea what they excel at, are merely good at and for which you should consider this other handpiece. The different tweezers and hot air pencils spring to mind.
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #774 on: October 10, 2018, 11:22:22 pm »

We are about to announce a Firmware Rev "1-4" later on in the week. At that time, I will give instructions as to how any PACE customers on EEVBlog with Rev 1-1, 1-2 or 1-3 can obtain a free upgrade.

Aaron

Any status on the update?
 


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