Author Topic: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread  (Read 33462 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline technixTopic starter

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 3507
  • Country: cn
  • From Shanghai With Love
    • My Untitled Blog
Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« on: February 07, 2017, 01:24:32 am »
I have struck a deal with Shanghai 17th Radio Factory, who makes those ultra-low-noise 2DW23x Zener diodes. I can source those parts directly from the factory at 75 US cents each, and each order up to about 1500-2000 pieces will cost 5 US dollars to post through air mail. The factory also set a minimum aggregated order amount of 100 before they would waiver the $5 handling fee.

I am starting this thread so you guys can match and aggregate orders before I submit it to the factory. If you have posted an order here please also send a PM to notify me. I will send you a PM as well as update this thread to reflect the current aggregated order number, and if it managed to reach 100 at noon Beijing Time every Tuesday I will place an order to the factory.

Sent order list: (Total: 1915)
TypeNameQtyCountryFlags
2DW232Assaf10IsraelPSD
2DW233Assaf10IsraelPSD
2DW233Lukier20United KingdomPSD
2DW233mmagin10USAPSD
2DW233Harfner20GermanyPSD
2DW233douardda40FrancePSD
2DW233enut1120AustraliaPSD
2DW232bertik10FrancePSD
2DW233bertik10FrancePSD
2DW234bertik10FrancePSD
2DW232nadona25USAPSD
2DW233nadona25USAPSD
2DW233pmcouto20PortugalPSD
2DW232julian110AustraliaPSD
2DW233julian110AustraliaPSD
2DW234julian110AustraliaPSD
2DW235julian110AustraliaPSD
2DW236julian110AustraliaPSD
2DW232rastro10USAPSD
2DW233rastro10USAPSD
2DW232svangool20NetherlandsPSD
2DW232mimmus7810ItalyPSD
2DW233mimmus7810ItalyPSD
2DW232rachaelp10UKPSD
2DW233rachaelp10UKPSD
2DW232elecdonia10USAPSD
2DW233elecdonia10USAPSD
2DW232technogeeky10USAPSD
2DW233technogeeky10USAPSD
2DW232RandallMcRee20USAPSD
2DW232peter.mitchell100AustraliaPSD
2DW232CaféNoir50FrancePSD
2DW233CaféNoir30FrancePSD
2DW232iainwhite10USAPSD
2DW233iainwhite10USAPSD
2DW232picburner20ItalyPSD
2DW232chickenHeadKnob25PSD
2DW232cellularmitosis20USAPSD
2DW235IconicPCB25AustraliaPSD
2DW236IconicPCB25AustraliaPSD
2DW232vindoline15USAPSD
2DW233vindoline15USAPSD
2DW234chuckb600USAPSD
2DW235chuckb100USAPSD
2DW232Muxr100USAPSD
2DW232uwezi10SwedenPSD
2DW233uwezi20SwedenPSD
2DW234uwezi10SwedenPSD
2DW232alm15The NetherlandsPSD
2DW233alm15The NetherlandsPSD
2DW232Vojtech15CzechPSD
2DW233Vojtech15CzechPSD
2DW232Rycroft10AustraliaPSD
2DW233Rycroft10AustraliaPSD
2DW232maerki10SwitzerlandPSD
2DW233maerki10SwitzerlandPSD
2DW234maerki10SwitzerlandPSD
2DW232BU508A10GermanyPSD
2DW233BU508A10GermanyPSD
2DW234BU508A10GermanyPSD
2DW232SZA26320ItalyPSD
2DW233SZA26320ItalyPSD
2DW232welterde10GermanyPSD
2DW233welterde10GermanyPSD
2DW234welterde10GermanyPSD
2DW232floobydust10CanadaPSD
2DW232Dave50SloveniaPSD
2DW232texaspyro20USAPSD
2DW233texaspyro20USAPSD

Processing Order List: (0/100)

TypeNameQtyCountryFlags

Outstanding Order List: (70/100)

TypeNameQtyCountryFlags
2DW232Octane20USA
2DW233Octane10USA
2DW234Octane10USA
2DW232cellularmitosis10USA
2DW233cellularmitosis10USA
2DW234cellularmitosis10USA

I am now accepting both PayPal and bank T/T as methods of payment. T/T will be preferred for orders equal to or more than 100 pieces in one go. If you wish to pay via T/T, please make sure you can work with OpenPGP-encrypted Email traffic, as I do not want to send my banking details unprotected.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2018, 04:57:58 am by technix »
 

Offline Assafl

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 600
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2017, 02:30:50 pm »
You can sign me up for 10-20.  Thx, Assaf

PS - if you prefer this in the form of a list - here it is - please copy below and add the quantity you are interested in:


Name   Qty    Country
Assaf    20     Israel


« Last Edit: February 07, 2017, 02:32:30 pm by Assafl »
 

Offline technixTopic starter

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 3507
  • Country: cn
  • From Shanghai With Love
    • My Untitled Blog
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2017, 02:53:07 pm »
You can sign me up for 10-20.  Thx, Assaf

PS - if you prefer this in the form of a list - here it is - please copy below and add the quantity you are interested in:


Name   Qty    Country
Assaf    20     Israel

Please specify the part number.
 
The following users thanked this post: Assafl

Offline lukier

  • Supporter
  • ****
  • Posts: 634
  • Country: pl
    • Homepage
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2017, 03:14:35 pm »
Please sign me up for 20 as well.

TypeNameQtyCountry
TBDAssaf20Israel
2DW233Lukier20United Kingdom
 

Offline Assafl

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 600
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2017, 03:39:16 pm »
TypeNameQtyCountry
2DW233Assaf20Israel
2DW233Lukier20United Kingdom
 

Offline mmagin

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 610
  • Country: us
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2017, 05:32:01 pm »
TypeNameQtyCountry
2DW233Assaf20Israel
2DW233Lukier20United Kingdom
2DW233mmagin10USA
 

Offline Harfner

  • Contributor
  • Posts: 26
  • Country: de
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2017, 08:08:29 am »
Type   Name   Qty   Country
2DW233   Assaf       20   Israel
2DW233   Lukier      20   United Kingdom
2DW233   mmagin   10   USA
2DW233   Harfner    20    Germany

(As already sent by PM)
 

Offline bertik

  • Contributor
  • Posts: 30
  • Country: ch
    • W's Laser Web Site
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2017, 08:31:28 am »
Hello,

thanks for offering this opportunity again!

Would you also offer the 2DW232 as well?
It seems to have considerably less noise according to my measurements -
though this may be batch dependent.

Thanks,
Bertik

 

Offline technixTopic starter

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 3507
  • Country: cn
  • From Shanghai With Love
    • My Untitled Blog
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2017, 12:57:29 am »
Hello Technix - can you post datasheet of 2DW232 and 2DW233 buried zeners ?

Can you specify website of Shanghai 17th Radio Factory ?

Thanks !
Flinstone

According to what I  have heard from the factory, they don't have any websites or public individual datasheets.
 

Offline douardda

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 82
  • Country: fr
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2017, 05:42:58 pm »
Hi
I'm also interested:

2WD233 douardda 40 France

Thanks



Envoyé de mon GT-N7105 en utilisant Tapatalk

 

Offline Gyro

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 9483
  • Country: gb
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2017, 08:39:28 pm »
Hello VoltNuts - from EEVBLOG member Gamalot I received following info about 17th radio factory of Shanghai:

No.175, Dongjiadu Road, Huangpu District, Shanghai, China
+86 21 6377 2411

Flinstone

ps.:   According to sources on TaoBao - the street value of these zeners is around 1.70 RMB (0.25 USD)
         https://world.taobao.com/item/35815633601.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.kiDYiA#detail


You need to do more reading of what has gone before! ::)  The low noise process was developed by this factory and this factory only. The ones generally available on Taobao, aliexpress etc are likely to be either low quality from other manufacturers, low quality falsely re-marked or downright fakes. See post (and several earlier posts in the same thread):

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/ultra-low-noise-reference-2dw232-2dw233-2dw23x/msg1080256/#msg1080256

The price the factory is charging is the only relevant one.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2017, 08:45:21 pm by Gyro »
Best Regards, Chris
 

Offline enut11

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 953
  • Country: au
  • Love building/modifying/restoring test equipment
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2017, 04:24:48 am »
I will take 10 diodes. Will PM technix today.
enut11
an electronics nut from wayback...
 

Offline bertik

  • Contributor
  • Posts: 30
  • Country: ch
    • W's Laser Web Site
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2017, 09:39:07 am »
Thanks for your efforts!

Count me in  for 10 more -

Bertik,  France



 

Offline Gyro

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 9483
  • Country: gb
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2017, 03:37:05 pm »

@GYRO:

I read that thread quite carefully - Zlymex used ffirst 2 (out of 7) listed sources and paid only 1.6 RMB (0.23 USD) - genuine parts (diamond logo)
I made a vague statement that sources on TaoBao charge 1.7 RMB (0.25USD) - the sources I am referring to were provided by Zlymex.
Zlymex used the first 2 sources and received parts with diamond logo (= 17th radio factory of shanghai).
I just wanted to point out that some locals are trying to sell parts at 0.75USD and pay themselves less than 0.25 USD - easy money.
I will source those parts locally in Shanghai - this way we will be sure to source the genuine parts from 17th radio factory.
Any thing wrong with that approach ... ?

Flinstone

address details:

17th Radio Factory of Shanghai:
No.175, Dongjiadu Road, Huangpu District, Shanghai, China       +86 21 6377 2411

(My highlight)

Frankly, I don't think that's the case at all, or technix's intention. I am not surprised that the factory would charge a higher factory gate price to supply parts to a 'member of the public' and charge a handling fee for such low volumes. Many (most) chip manufacturers wouldn't be prepared to do business on this basis at all. A factory charging a higher price for a premium quality low noise reference zener variant is not unexpected. Other members have also purchased parts from Taobao / Aliexpress with diamond logos only to find that the delivered parts were just re-marks of inferior ones (as is common practice), the logo is no guarantee at all (which is why Zlymex had to sample test them before shipping!).

The parts that Zlymex very kindly supplied were very low noise, so undoubtedly from the 17th Radio Factory, however their zero TC current was way in excess of the generic datasheet value for a 2DW233: around 20mA (from my and others' measurements) versus 5mA. They achieve low noise as 'advertised' but given that they came from Aliexpress in plastic bags at low cost could well mean that they had failed a non noise related parametric test. There's no way to tell one way or the other as there was no supply chain traceability. Iirc, the testing that technix has done indicates a the zero TC current of the factory x233 parts is around 5mA. If that proves not to be the case, then people might then have some reason to question.

To repeat, Zlymex was a perfect gentleman in sourcing parts which at the time were not easily available to the community (based on the information available to him from Chinese language forums) and achieved the expected low noise performance. He was not however in the right location to be able to visit the factory and negotiate parts directly.

At the end of the day, it is a matter of trust for individual members to choose whether to purchase in this thread or not. If they wish to question the selling price then they should probably go elsewhere. You should undoubtedly go and do whatever you wish to do without recourse to this thread.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2017, 03:40:40 pm by Gyro »
Best Regards, Chris
 
The following users thanked this post: Frank, julian1

Offline nadona

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 205
  • Country: us
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2017, 07:32:45 pm »
Thanks for the offer.
I'd like to get 50 of 2DW233, US
Ha-ha-ha. That's good, too!
 

Offline pmcouto

  • Supporter
  • ****
  • Posts: 96
  • Country: pt
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2017, 08:35:01 pm »
Thanks for organizing this group-buy.
I'd like to buy 20 of 2DW233, Portugal.
 

Offline julian1

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 731
  • Country: au
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2017, 10:18:01 pm »
Quote
the testing that technix has done indicates a the zero TC current of the factory x233 parts is around 5mA. If that proves not to be the case, then people might then have some reason to question.

To note, the 233 has a more easily manageable TC0 current of around 5mA.

But according to Bertik's tests the desirable series configuration of the 233 (sourced from technix) has a much higher noise figure of 4uV p2p. This compares 0.5uV p2p for the 232.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/ultra-low-noise-reference-2dw232-2dw233-2dw23x/msg1113975/#msg1113975

To rule out any questions of provenance - this is likely entirely consistent with the influence that higher current plays in lowering noise seen across zener devices - including the ltz1000.

So as Bertik notes, there is quite some tension to obtain a reasonably low TC0 point and low noise at the same time. This is also why I felt it was useful to focus my experiments on a circuit design capable of managing the higher TC0 current point of the 232.
 
 

Offline technixTopic starter

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 3507
  • Country: cn
  • From Shanghai With Love
    • My Untitled Blog
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2017, 02:00:15 am »
Quote
the testing that technix has done indicates a the zero TC current of the factory x233 parts is around 5mA. If that proves not to be the case, then people might then have some reason to question.

To note, the 233 has a more easily manageable TC0 current of around 5mA.

But according to Bertik's tests the desirable series configuration of the 233 (sourced from technix) has a much higher noise figure of 4uV p2p. This compares 0.5uV p2p for the 232.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/ultra-low-noise-reference-2dw232-2dw233-2dw23x/msg1113975/#msg1113975

To rule out any questions of provenance - this is likely entirely consistent with the influence that higher current plays in lowering noise seen across zener devices - including the ltz1000.

So as Bertik notes, there is quite some tension to obtain a reasonably low TC0 point and low noise at the same time. This is also why I felt it was useful to focus my experiments on a circuit design capable of managing the higher TC0 current point of the 232.
 

Please do not forget to specify which part you intend to buy.
 

Offline enut11

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 953
  • Country: au
  • Love building/modifying/restoring test equipment
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2017, 02:39:14 am »
@technix
20 of 2DW233 for Australia
enut11
an electronics nut from wayback...
 

Offline bertik

  • Contributor
  • Posts: 30
  • Country: ch
    • W's Laser Web Site
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2017, 12:01:16 pm »
I should clarify: 2DW233 is also OK, though 2DW232 preferred.

Thanks,
bertik
 

Offline julian1

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 731
  • Country: au
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2017, 05:03:09 pm »
Quote
specify which part you intend to buy.

Hi technix

Would it be possible to get a small selection of each type? 10x 2dw232, 10x 2dw233, 10x 2dw234, 10x 2dw235 if it exists? It would be interesting to do some more characterization of each type. I can pay paypal.
 

Offline technixTopic starter

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 3507
  • Country: cn
  • From Shanghai With Love
    • My Untitled Blog
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2017, 12:52:45 am »
Quote
specify which part you intend to buy.

Hi technix

Would it be possible to get a small selection of each type? 10x 2dw232, 10x 2dw233, 10x 2dw234, 10x 2dw235 if it exists? It would be interesting to do some more characterization of each type. I can pay paypal.
Sure you can.
 
The following users thanked this post: julian1

Offline technixTopic starter

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 3507
  • Country: cn
  • From Shanghai With Love
    • My Untitled Blog
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2017, 07:09:54 am »
Folks that is ordering parts through me, please confirm the order and send me your Email address. (if this is still not working smoothly I will try another method of coordinating this, although if we go down that route you guys will have to pay a bit extra.)
 

Offline rastro

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 388
  • Country: 00
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2017, 06:20:47 pm »
I would be interested:

10 of 2DW232, US
10 of 2DW233, US

 

Offline zhtoor

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • !
  • Posts: 337
  • Country: pk
Re: Factory 2DW23x order aggregation thread
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2017, 07:31:31 pm »
Hello Sir,

can you ship to Pakistan?

regards.
 


Share me

Digg  Facebook  SlashDot  Delicious  Technorati  Twitter  Google  Yahoo
Smf