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Offline VintageNutTopic starter

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Volt-nutting a KE 230
« on: May 24, 2017, 02:45:15 pm »
Recently, I picked up a KE 230 for USD$200-ish. The unit was advertised AS-IS.

After a multi-day warm-up the unit is being measured with a KE DMM7510. The 230 is set to output 10V.

The measured statistics are

Average: 10.000911
Std Dev:  248.5 uV
Readings: 396,000
NPLC 5

So, the stability is about 25ppm RMS while my 731Bs are typically 0.X ppm stable in the same rack over the same temperature range.

I am wondering what can be done if anything to make the PWM circuit more stable. Suggestions are welcomed. I have never delved into a PWM voltage generator.
working instruments :Keithley 260,261,2750,7708, 2000 (calibrated), 2015, 236, 237, 238, 147, 220,  Rigol DG1032  PAR Model 128 Lock-In amplifier, Fluke 332A, Gen Res 4107 KVD, 4107D KVD, Fluke 731B X2 (calibrated), Fluke 5450A (calibrated)
 

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Re: Volt-nutting a KE 230
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2017, 03:22:58 pm »
I am wondering what can be done if anything to make the PWM circuit more stable. Suggestions are welcomed. I have never delved into a PWM voltage generator.

AFAIK, the 230 does not use PWM, but a DAC chip with an internal reference (DAC80). The reference is supposedly a buried Zener but it is possible that what you observe is the reference drift/noise.

Cheers

Alex

P.S. - the DAC80 chip allows for an external reference connection, perhaps LM329 or even LM399 can be used to improve the performance.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2017, 03:29:10 pm by Alex Nikitin »
 

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Re: Volt-nutting a KE 230
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2017, 03:49:28 pm »
Hi,

I think this looks a bit noisy as I found my K230 to be much more stable (see https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/micro-review-keithley-model-230-programmable-voltage-source/msg955141/#msg955141). But for very best stability the K230 likes a well controlled environment, approx +/- 0,2 °C. My K230 lives in a shelf with some free space in the back. But if the HP66332A in the neighbourhood switches on the fan the air in the back of the instruments gets a little warmer and the signal of the K230 changes in the ppm range...

Best regards

Marcus
 

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Re: Volt-nutting a KE 230
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2017, 05:53:46 pm »
Hi,

I think this looks a bit noisy as I found my K230 to be much more stable (see https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/micro-review-keithley-model-230-programmable-voltage-source/msg955141/#msg955141). But for very best stability the K230 likes a well controlled environment, approx +/- 0,2 °C. My K230 lives in a shelf with some free space in the back. But if the HP66332A in the neighbourhood switches on the fan the air in the back of the instruments gets a little warmer and the signal of the K230 changes in the ppm range...

Best regards

Marcus

I read your thread. Nice job of reviewing the 230.

Your stability graph is just a few minutes. My measurement of stability is much longer. And, no way I can control the temperature in my home/office.

You should try a 24-hour stability measurement.
working instruments :Keithley 260,261,2750,7708, 2000 (calibrated), 2015, 236, 237, 238, 147, 220,  Rigol DG1032  PAR Model 128 Lock-In amplifier, Fluke 332A, Gen Res 4107 KVD, 4107D KVD, Fluke 731B X2 (calibrated), Fluke 5450A (calibrated)
 


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