ARM Offers Sage Advice to RISC-V Adopters

[kfnight]

https://riscv-basics.com/

It's worth noting that, at the beginning, ARM didn't acknowledge RISC-V's existence, so with ARM creating a site like this is quite an accomplishment for the RISC-V foundation and those supporting it.

 

[Dubbie]

Pretty much textbook F.U.D.

[ataradov]

"Get the Facts" all over again. Did not work the last time, why would it work this time?

Also, who makes an IP purchasing decision based on one-page smear site?

[SiliconWizard]

Yeah, this is some level of recognition. The sign that RISC-V has become a very low-intensity potential threat to ARM that warrants creating a one-page website written by Sir Clive Obvious and that redirects to a free trial of ARM processor IPs.

[bd139]

Fucks sake ARM. Dick move 

[maginnovision]

Maybe they just want them to buy the domain.

[X]

Pretty much textbook F.U.D.

"Get the Facts" all over again. Did not work the last time, why would it work this time?

Also, who makes an IP purchasing decision based on one-page smear site?

Executives with more money than brains, a very numerous and prominent species.


EDIT Now for something completely different.

1. Cost
With RISC-V, you don't run the risk of getting sued out of your life savings as a result in a technicality regarding IP licensing. There are also no restrictions, and no uncertainties should the company either go out of business or be acquired by a company with questionable morals, who want to change your IP licensing agreements at a whim.

2. A large, supportive ecosystem
RISC-V is getting there, and there are now COTS development solutions in place. ARM, on the other hand, is just the ISA, and it is critical not to ignore all the surrounding support components of a system.
It will happen sooner now thanks to ARM's FUD-propaganda Streisand-effect website.

3. Fragmentation risk
Since RISC-V allows for private extensions, it would benefit those who don't intend to allow some random rinky-dink apps to run on their system as they can optimise it for their own individual use cases. The base RISC-V implementations and COTS solutions will still be available.
As for ARM's supporting infrastructure: so many combinations, so many choices, so much fragmentation.

4. Security
For ARM it's, like, totally no big deal.

5. Design assurance
Having one major company "verify" your CPU, or having a large community with plenty of eyes verify and find faults in the design. You decide.

[KE5FX]

RISC-V's credibility just went up a couple of notches, that's for sure.  They are no longer being ignored, or laughed at, but fought.

[cv007]

Cybersquatting is still a thing? (and by a company like ARM?)

Looks like its too late for riscv to get arm-basics.com (registered today? china?)

[brucehoult]

Disclaimer: I recently joined a RISC-V vendor

#1: the site seems to be real. The big infographic (on a desktop browser) with embedded references to RISC-V is served from arm.com https://riscv-basics.com/images/arm-risc-v-5-things-to-consider.png

#2: we're stoked.

[brucehoult]

Looks like its too late for riscv to get arm-basics.com (registered today? china?)

RISC-V is going down well in China (and India).

They're serving www.arm-basics.com from github

You can probably make Pull-Requests if you have fun ideas.

https://github.com/arm-facts/arm-basics.com/blob/master/index.md

[bd139]

Brilliant.

https://github.com/arm-facts/arm-basics.com/issues/4

Have screenshot the above and sending to simon segars, ARM CEO.

[bd139]

Send following email too:

I've recently been brought to the attention of the following web estate that has appeared branded ARM.

https://riscv-basics.com/

Seriously this is not how you do business. If this is an ARM product then I'm quite frankly disgusted. If it isn't you need to resolve this. This is 2000's Microsoft business tactics which everyone literally cringes at today:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070622152618/http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/facts/default.mspx

I've registered my discontent with it publicly and have screenshot all pages: https://github.com/arm-facts/arm-basics.com/issues/4

If someone is eating your cake, make your product better, not slate everyone else's.

[brucehoult]

Brilliant.

https://github.com/arm-facts/arm-basics.com/issues/4

Have screenshot the above and sending to simon segars, ARM CEO.

If that's you, it appears you are complaining about arm-basics.com, not riscv-basics.com

[bd139]

I've emailed the CEO with the riscv-basics link for ref. See above email body.

[chickenHeadKnob]

Aaaaaaannd Its Gone!

server not found

[ataradov]

server not found

Still there, it is just not configured properly, so it needs www: https://www.arm-basics.com/

[SiliconWizard]

server not found

Still there, it is just not configured properly, so it needs www: https://www.arm-basics.com/

They have changed the content though.

[ataradov]

They have changed the content though.

The only changes tracked in Git history are related to a small section about security and Meltdown fiasco.

[SiliconWizard]

Oh, I was comparing to the original web page we saw yesterday and that got taken down. I happen to still have it in my browser's cache. Although it contained a similar message, the content was quite different. It looked a lot more "commercial" and contained just one line about security whereas the "arm-basics.com" page has a bit more detailed content and has a CCA license, which of course the other site didn't.

[bd139]

Everyone needs to stop being dickheads here basically. Responding with the same tactics doesn’t make you any better than the original tactics ARM pulled. In fact it somewhat ruins the moral high ground. Hence why I raised the issue above. 

No response from ARM yet.

[ataradov]

I'm not sure there is a need to have the moral high ground here. Everyone understands what everyone else is doing here, no big deal.

[kfnight]

Yeah, there's no morality here. It's just business.

[mark03]

RISC-V's credibility just went up a couple of notches, that's for sure.  They are no longer being ignored, or laughed at, but fought.

This was my first thought too.  Given that the next step in that [mis-attributed to Ghandi] quotation is "then you win," if I were ARM I'd be very worried right now.  Oh right, I guess they are 

[mark03]

The site seems to have been taken down, but it's archived here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180708231736/https://www.riscv-basics.com/