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Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« on: March 03, 2015, 03:28:35 am »
Hi.

A while ago I got the PSoC4 4$ devboard, and I really like the PSoC concept.
The devboard has an bootloader so it can load stuff via serial.
I would like to design some devices that would use the bare chip, but I can't figure out what programmer to buy. There is the MiniProg3 but that is like 150$, witch is waaay over my current budget.
Is there a cheap cheat programmer/jtag like those avrdude gizmos for the avr-s?
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2015, 04:40:27 am »
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[a] Use the $4 devkit you have and modify the circuit to program the bare chips.  I don't recall if it has the wiring in place to ALSO program the bare chip in addition to programming via the serial UART boot loader between the target IC and the programmer's USB interface IC.  But even if it does not have such hardware / software support Cypress provides the code to program a PSOC without using a boot loader using any other MCU as a programming device.  I think it is only a 2 pin interface to program the IC other than supplying power / GND / reset or whatever.  Just use the Cypress supplied programming algorithm SW for your existing Devkit's bootloadable MCU to program the target device either in full or with a boot loader on the new target.

Buy the PSOC 4 bluetooth low energy "remote control" or "wireless mouse" devkit and they include a miniprog3 as well as their other contents and they're like $49, not a bad value.

[c] use some other MCU devkit or USB to GPIO device with the Cypress programming algorithm SW to program your part.

 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2015, 04:46:08 am »
The MiniProg3 is expensive but not $150 (http://www.cypress.com/?rID=38154). My understanding is some people have been able to modify the pioneer kit and use its programming device to program other chips. This is pretty cheap and while it isn't as easy, it might fit the bill. Also rumor is, Cypress is working on a cheaper programmer but I have no idea when it is coming out.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2015, 05:45:45 am »
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2015, 05:56:08 am »
While you are waiting for the $50 PRoC mouse or remote control kit with the miniprog3 here is a quick tutorial how to use the $4 prototype board to program bare devices:

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/psoc-examples/msg522554/#msg522554

Also you can use the Pioneer kit to use as a programmer for $25 and some soldering, or use the old code they released to convert it to a programmer debugger but it won't be on the last release of the kitprog code, so modifying it to be used as a programmer is the best solution.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2015, 05:59:42 am »
It's coming soon: http://www.cypress.com/?rid=108038

Nice! not just because it can be a programmer, but a 5LP prototype board at $10 opens a lot of other possibilities. Like full USB support as an HID, Midi etc instead of the limited 4200.

Edit: and DMA support!
« Last Edit: March 03, 2015, 06:04:42 am by miguelvp »
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2015, 06:43:31 am »
and a 20 bit A/D!
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2015, 06:49:40 am »
No kidding that is impressive! The unit price for the chip on that board is more than the board itself. Cypress must really think that getting these kits out there will be worthwhile.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2015, 06:59:56 am »
The page says you can snap off the Kitprog and use it as a standalone programmer/debugger. Nice!
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2015, 02:37:48 pm »
I've been wanting to get my hands on a PSoC5 kit for a while, that's a no brainer at $10.

I wonder if it has full debug capability or just bootloader based like the other prototype kits.

(edit, yup, debugging on the device via SWD, what a steal).
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2015, 02:55:59 pm »
I just noticed something, the actual programmer is a 2nd 5LP as well!
I though it would be a USB-Serial Bridge and that the kitprog will live in the target 5LP, so you really can end up with two programmers for $10

Nice touch that they added a micro usb and they have the unpopulated 10 pin programming header on the target board part.

I guess I will have to look at the details of the programmer chip so see what capabilities it has compared to the target chip.

Edit: confirmed, the PSoC 4 Pioneer Kit came with the following chips:
CY8C5868LTI-LP039 (PSoC 5LP programmer)
CY8C4245AXI-483 (PSoC 4200 target)

The PSoC 5LP Prototyping Kit has the following:
CY8C5868LTI-LP039 (PSoC 5LP programmer)
CY8C5888LTI-LP097 (PSoC 5LP target)

The main difference as far as I can see on the two 5LP chips in the prototyping board, is that the programmer can run up to 67MHz and the target can go up to 80MHz, and each chip is about $10 qty 1000!


« Last Edit: March 03, 2015, 03:46:11 pm by miguelvp »
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2015, 03:57:14 pm »
And of course, both 5LPs in the prototype board are Cortex-M3s

The BOM is north of $25 if you made it yourself, so I expect these boards to sell like hotcakes!

Even with the low number of GPIOs exposed on the programming part, that is still quite a powerful small board even if you don't use it as a programmer.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2015, 05:15:31 pm »
How soon is the 10$ module coming "soon" exactly? Years, months, weeks, days?
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2015, 05:36:05 pm »
How soon is the 10$ module coming "soon" exactly? Years, months, weeks, days?

Well, I've been waiting for the PRoC remote control kit over three months, maybe you can PM
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=101659

In the meantime, you can use the $4 prototype kit to program bare chips as I linked above.

As an alternative you can get a pioneer kit and modify it with a soldering iron to make a kitprog for $25. I did purchase a 2nd one to do that but now that this is coming I think I can wait because I do have one running a modified kitprog source based on an old version and it still works:
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/help!-what-mcu-(greater-than-8-bits-of-smarts)-is-easiest-to-graduate-to/msg507751/#msg507751

But if you want the updated version of the kitprog (no source for the last version available) you can make a programmer with that pioneer kit running the latest version of kitprog, with full programming and debug.

It also allowed me to use keil to program and debug a virgin PSoC4 with the free and limited to 32K uVision 4:
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/psoc-examples/msg529947/#msg529947

But if you do send them a PM, let us know if they do have a hard date. I think I'll send them one myself and link this thread as well.

Edit: sent the PM to CypressPSoC in this forum regarding when this board as well as when the PRoC BLE mouse and IR remote kits will be available.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2015, 05:52:00 pm by miguelvp »
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2015, 05:49:50 pm »
I've already tried to contact them, waiting for a more detailed response.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2015, 07:23:55 pm »
Seems like they are taking pre-orders for the CY8CKIT-059 PSoC® 5LP Prototyping Kit

http://www.cypress.com/?rid=108038

Ordered 4 of them + $12 shipping within the US, because that's the cheapest they offer via FedEx and seems silly to pay $25 for next day on a pre-order and that was the only other choice.

Can't wait!!!!
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2015, 05:20:58 am »
International - FedEx International Economy: $25.00 Uff!
When I ordered those 4$ modules shipping was cheaper if I remember correctly!
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2015, 05:45:58 am »
Yeah, like most manufacturers they don't have a lot of shipping options since these are considered sample orders.

The way I see it is that one of those boards has 2 PSoC 5LP on them, exact specs other than the programmer one has less pins accessible and can run only up to 67MHz compared to the target one that has a ton of pins (8 more than the PSoC 4200 prototype boards) and each of the 5LPs cost $10 per chip at quantity 1000 purchase.

So the BOM puts them at around $25 per board so with shipping and ordering 4, I'm paying only half of what they cost.

Another way to look at it, is that ordering 4 of them you get the equivalent of 8 miniprog3s for half the price of a single miniprog3 sans 10 pin connector and cable.

But they are pre-order with no time given when they'll ship so I'm not holding my breath.
You can always wait until they make it to the distribution channels and get it from farnell or the like.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2015, 06:56:36 am »
Wish they had the other BLE kits ready so one could order all at same time, then the shipping, and the following 25% tax wouldn't hurt so bad
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2015, 08:17:04 am »
When launched, it was 25$ for those 4$ PSoC kits also, but they changed it to 15$ after I complained - try writing them an email, I wouldn't be surprised if they will set it to 15$ again
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2015, 08:18:17 am »
Estimated release date is mid April. Just got a response.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2015, 09:39:42 pm »
About the BLE and their introduction of the PRoC.

Well someone in marketing was not thinking when they came up with PRoC.

They have their: "PSoC Rocks!" marketing slogan.

So what about PRoC?
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2015, 01:32:50 am »
i see what they did here :D
if
PSoC Rocks!
then
PRoC S*cks!

compared to PSoC it probably does, so their get a point for being honest :)
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2015, 05:47:48 am »
Seems like they are taking pre-orders for the CY8CKIT-059 PSoC® 5LP Prototyping Kit

http://www.cypress.com/?rid=108038

Ordered 4 of them + $12 shipping within the US, because that's the cheapest they offer via FedEx and seems silly to pay $25 for next day on a pre-order and that was the only other choice.

Can't wait!!!!

Seems they are no more taking the pre-orders, guess the first batch is already sold out.

 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2015, 11:09:13 am »
Hello folks!

Yes, we have a brand new low-cost prototyping kit featuring not one, but two ARM Cortex-M3 PSoC 5LP devices on it - all for $10!
http://www.cypress.com/cy8ckit-059

One of the PSoC 5LP devices comes pre-programmed as a programmer and debugger for all ARM-based PSoCs. You can snap-away this end of the kit and continue using it as a debugger.
We plan to open-source this firmware, so the community can add to it and turn this low-cost kit into a universal ARM SWD debugger.

This kit is expected to ship mid-April, stay tuned! :)
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2015, 11:28:51 am »
Hello folks!

Yes, we have a brand new low-cost prototyping kit featuring not one, but two ARM Cortex-M3 PSoC 5LP devices on it - all for $10!
http://www.cypress.com/cy8ckit-059

One of the PSoC 5LP devices comes pre-programmed as a programmer and debugger for all ARM-based PSoCs. You can snap-away this end of the kit and continue using it as a debugger.
We plan to open-source this firmware, so the community can add to it and turn this low-cost kit into a universal ARM SWD debugger.

This kit is expected to ship mid-April, stay tuned! :)

This is kind of incredible. Free toolchain, free IDE, cheap dev boards, open source friendly, good documentation and actual support. I don't think I've seen a semiconductor company behave like this before...  ;)
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2015, 03:04:40 pm »
Hello folks!

Yes, we have a brand new low-cost prototyping kit featuring not one, but two ARM Cortex-M3 PSoC 5LP devices on it - all for $10!
http://www.cypress.com/cy8ckit-059

One of the PSoC 5LP devices comes pre-programmed as a programmer and debugger for all ARM-based PSoCs. You can snap-away this end of the kit and continue using it as a debugger.
We plan to open-source this firmware, so the community can add to it and turn this low-cost kit into a universal ARM SWD debugger.

This kit is expected to ship mid-April, stay tuned! :)

Any news on the PRoC 4 BLE remote control and mouse dev kits?
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2015, 03:13:25 pm »
Moving away from the UART bootloader in the devkits is a major win. The $4 PSOC4 boards tend to be a big PITA when they self-reset every 12-14 seconds when the bootloader is used.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2015, 07:53:14 pm »
Don't forget: 5V I/O.  I've been a bit surprised that Cypress hasn't been getting more positive comments because of that.

(OTOH, I remember PSoC5 chips being vaporware for a long time after they were first announced, so ... not perfect.)
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2015, 08:18:34 pm »
(OTOH, I remember PSoC5 chips being vaporware for a long time after they were first announced, so ... not perfect.)
They did discontinued the PSoC5 and replace them with the PSoC5LP, I guess they did have problems with the first inception of the chip. But the 5LP has been pretty solid since and definitely not vaporware, but not cheap.
 

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« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2015, 08:39:54 pm »
Yes, we have a brand new low-cost prototyping kit featuring not one, but two ARM Cortex-M3 PSoC 5LP devices on it - all for $10!
http://www.cypress.com/cy8ckit-059

I'm searching everyday on Farnell to see if it's getting there, but no luck.
Is there no other ways of shipping from you other than $25 Fedex?
 

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« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2015, 04:17:40 am »
Hello folks!

Yes, we have a brand new low-cost prototyping kit featuring not one, but two ARM Cortex-M3 PSoC 5LP devices on it - all for $10!
http://www.cypress.com/cy8ckit-059

One of the PSoC 5LP devices comes pre-programmed as a programmer and debugger for all ARM-based PSoCs. You can snap-away this end of the kit and continue using it as a debugger.
We plan to open-source this firmware, so the community can add to it and turn this low-cost kit into a universal ARM SWD debugger.

This kit is expected to ship mid-April, stay tuned! :)

Any news on the PRoC 4 BLE remote control and mouse dev kits?

The remote control and mouse dev kits should also be available for ordering in April
They will still be $49 each and will include the miniprog3!
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2015, 04:20:01 am »
Yes, we have a brand new low-cost prototyping kit featuring not one, but two ARM Cortex-M3 PSoC 5LP devices on it - all for $10!
http://www.cypress.com/cy8ckit-059

I'm searching everyday on Farnell to see if it's getting there, but no luck.
Is there no other ways of shipping from you other than $25 Fedex?

these kits are brand new, so our distribution partners have not picked them up as yet. You'll start seeing them appear in the regular distribution channels by mid-April or May, and they typically offer much better global shipping options.
Also, if you're able to reach out to a local Cypress sales rep in your area, they may be able to hook you up with kits locally too. www.cypress.com/sales
 

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« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2015, 04:58:34 am »
Yes, we have a brand new low-cost prototyping kit featuring not one, but two ARM Cortex-M3 PSoC 5LP devices on it - all for $10!
http://www.cypress.com/cy8ckit-059

I'm searching everyday on Farnell to see if it's getting there, but no luck.
Is there no other ways of shipping from you other than $25 Fedex?

these kits are brand new, so our distribution partners have not picked them up as yet. You'll start seeing them appear in the regular distribution channels by mid-April or May, and they typically offer much better global shipping options.
Also, if you're able to reach out to a local Cypress sales rep in your area, they may be able to hook you up with kits locally too. www.cypress.com/sales

Yes, Farnell have very good price for shipping, about $7.5, the items are a bit more expensive, but not that much.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2015, 09:32:36 am »
Yes, Farnell have very good price for shipping, about $7.5, the items are a bit more expensive, but not that much.

Farnell does not sell  to individuals (hobbyists or students), only to companies. There are shops that deliver your Farnell orders but they take (usually too much, in my country from 20% to 50% + VAT) extra in addition to already high Farnell prices.  It would be really nice if I were able to buy kits from Cypress shop with reasonably low cost postage (I have to pay VAT only if the value of order including postage is over 22 EUR, ~ $25). I don't know what it would take to change Farnell's policy, but I think manufactures of semiconductors and kits should really ask and demand for their representatives to do that.
 

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« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2015, 09:34:35 am »
Yes, Farnell have very good price for shipping, about $7.5, the items are a bit more expensive, but not that much.

Farnell does not sell  to individuals (hobbyists or students), only to companies. There are shops that deliver your Farnell orders but they take (usually too much, in my country from 20% to 50% + VAT) extra in addition to already high Farnell prices.  It would be really nice if I were able to buy kits from Cypress shop with reasonably low cost postage (I have to pay VAT only if the value of order including postage is over 22 EUR, ~ $25). I don't know what it would take to change Farnell's policy, but I think manufactures of semiconductors and kits should really ask and demand for their representatives to do that.

Where are you located in the world? I've ordered stuff in Australia and in France from element14 without any issues.
 

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« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2015, 05:55:05 pm »
Same here, In Norway, Farnell does NOT sell to individuals, but I have an friend who is having an single-person company-thingy, so we are using that one together:)
 

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« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2015, 07:14:50 pm »
I live in Finland, so it might be the same for all Nordic countries (regarding Farnell/Element14 policies).

There's a specific thread on the subject here:

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/farnellelement-14-in-europe/
« Last Edit: March 12, 2015, 07:17:05 pm by mhelin »
 

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« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2015, 07:31:13 pm »
I have to go to a local company that does train/railway equipment to get farnell stuff.
 

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« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2015, 04:18:00 am »
on top of that, when you live in Finland, you cannot order from Farnell UK for example. Farnell will only sell within the same country.
(and yes, the store content is different)
 

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« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2015, 05:01:54 am »
How about other European retailers in the Cypress distributors list?
http://www.cypress.com/?app=distiInventory

You have Arrow, Silica, EBV maybe others in there.
 

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« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2015, 05:36:00 am »
oh I'm fine ordering from Mouser, Digikey etc. I was just adding to the 'Farnell very different here'-story .

Now if only those other stores had any stock :)
 

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« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2015, 09:25:42 am »
on top of that, when you live in Finland, you cannot order from Farnell UK for example. Farnell will only sell within the same country.
(and yes, the store content is different)

You ofcourse need to use this site; http://fi.farnell.com/
They still ship from uk, same as we in norway use no.farnell.com, and it comes from uk, but we cannot buy from the uk.farnell.com shop, this seems to be related to export regulations etc (ie, I could not buy an bluetooth kit from ST, but was no problem to buy the cypress equivalent for some reason, I also neede to fill lots of papers to buy an beaglebone)
but yes, not all stuff on uk.farnell.com is available at no.farnell.com, but it's just an email away, they fix it when you ask them.
 

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« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2015, 09:26:45 am »
oh I'm fine ordering from Mouser, Digikey etc. I was just adding to the 'Farnell very different here'-story .

Now if only those other stores had any stock :)

But mouser/digikey have way more expensive shipping?, or cheap to finland?
 

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« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2015, 07:16:50 pm »
both digikey and Mouser have free shipping for orders > 65 EUR and there's always something you can add to the basket
 

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« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2015, 09:22:56 pm »
both digikey and Mouser have free shipping for orders > 65 EUR and there's always something you can add to the basket

Doesn't help for Norway, we have to pay tax and taxation fee on these orders since both are not based in Norway. Not so with Farnell, so it works kinda better.
(It seems like Digikey might be different, but not tried yet, I'm getting norwegian digikey snailmail.. )
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2015, 11:34:49 pm »
Not sure if I gave the impression that I don't have to pay VAT on top of everything I order from Mouser/digikey. I sure do! :)
I think only Mouser offers DDP (i.e. all duties paid) when shipping with TNT, which only takes the hassle away, but not the cost.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2015, 12:39:27 am »
Not sure if I gave the impression that I don't have to pay VAT on top of everything I order from Mouser/digikey. I sure do! :)
I think only Mouser offers DDP (i.e. all duties paid) when shipping with TNT, which only takes the hassle away, but not the cost.

It's like this:
If I order from Amazon, Amazon collects Norwegian tax, so I don't need hassle later.
If I order from Adafruit or others that use USPS, I pay when it arrives in Norway to get the package, that is, (price of the goods+shippingcost+tax-fee(about $25) )+25% tax, so in the Amazon case, I pay less, because I pay tax on what I should pay tax on.
If I order from Farnell, I pay $7.5 in shipping, and 25% tax, and no tax-fee or other handlingfee that the postal services take.
If I order from Mouser etc that uses UPS/TNT/Fedex/DHL, It's similar to the USPS/Postal scenarion, except that the taxfee/handling fee is atleast the twice amount..

I'm not opposed to paying tax, but all the other fees that is put on top of everything..
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2015, 04:53:31 am »
It's pretty much the same here, with the exception that I can do the customs declaration online (they improved that serveice a great deal over the last 3 years). It's still a bit of a pain in the arse sometimes to find the correct TARIC codes etc but I can pay the import duties (and VAT) directly since the website integrates online bank access. I do have to wait for the arrival notice from the customs office so there is always a delay, unfortunately.

UPS just sends me an invoice a week later or so to collect the VAT for my Digikey orders. I don't actually think they charge any handling fees for that, the regular post office sure does. I'm near the airport in Vantaa and TNT/FedEx/DHL/UPS cargo are right next to it, that sure helps if I'm in a hurry to pick things up as I can just go there and pay at the counter.

The regular post office I think charges 10% of the value or minimum 10 EUR, if you let them do the declaration for you.

 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2015, 01:20:29 pm »
Seems like they are taking pre-orders for the CY8CKIT-059 PSoC® 5LP Prototyping Kit

http://www.cypress.com/?rid=108038

Ordered 4 of them + $12 shipping within the US, because that's the cheapest they offer via FedEx and seems silly to pay $25 for next day on a pre-order and that was the only other choice.

Can't wait!!!!

Took a while but today I got an e-mail that my order was shipped.
But going on a business trip of unknown duration, so not sure when I'll get to try them out.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #50 on: April 21, 2015, 02:19:49 pm »
looks like the 5LP kit is in stock again, the availability changed sometime tonight: http://www.cypress.com/?rID=108038
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #51 on: April 21, 2015, 06:04:23 pm »
Still no date on this, which includes miniprog3 http://www.cypress.com/?rID=102638
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #52 on: April 24, 2015, 03:26:36 pm »
looks like the 5LP kit is in stock again, the availability changed sometime tonight: http://www.cypress.com/?rID=108038

I ordered 5 of them - they showed up yesterday.  I have meetings most of tomorrow so won't get to play until the weekend but they look good!
It's not always the most popular person who gets the job done.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #53 on: April 25, 2015, 12:55:23 am »
aaand out of stock again :D that was fast
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #54 on: April 25, 2015, 02:16:54 am »
They should really have put a small high frequency crystal oscillator PCB footprint on the PCB, even if the component was not fitted.  Good timing makes a lot of applications workable that wouldn't be otherwise at ~ 1% internal oscillator tolerance.

A tip to future users: Buy an USB extension cable so the USB-A "PCB connector" on the kit can sit on the desk without wobbling precariously from your laptop's USB port in mid-air whle you're awkwardly trying to manipulate switches, jumpers, buttons, whatever on the PCB / breadboard connected to the PCB.

 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #55 on: April 28, 2015, 05:36:14 pm »
I remember reading that you can designate an I/O as a clock input - which integrates with the standard clocking system:

http://www.cypress.com/?rID=40990
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #56 on: April 28, 2015, 05:51:16 pm »
looks like the 5LP kit is in stock again, the availability changed sometime tonight: http://www.cypress.com/?rID=108038

I ordered 5 of them - they showed up yesterday.  I have meetings most of tomorrow so won't get to play until the weekend but they look good!

I ordered three, but FedEx is holding them, because I choose economy shipping $25 instead of $35, and because of that, they will be hold in the country in an container for two extra day.. :(, so I get them tomorrow, instead of yesterday when they where ready for delivery.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #57 on: April 28, 2015, 06:05:21 pm »
If it's any compensation I did order mine on March 7th and didn't get them until April 23rd :)

Edit: And since I've been busy I probably wont get to play with them until this coming weekend anyways.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #58 on: April 28, 2015, 06:26:29 pm »
Yeah, it will be here soon enough, just find it funny that they are sitting on it..
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #59 on: April 29, 2015, 01:19:06 am »
Anybody got it?

8 days passed but still:

Shipped On: April 20, 2015
This item is in-transit to the U.S. from our factory. Please check back for final delivery information
« Last Edit: April 29, 2015, 01:21:18 am by Evi »
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #60 on: April 29, 2015, 02:23:33 am »
I got everything else I ordered, but not the -059 kits.. obviously they sent me 3 packages, and I got one trackingnumber..  are hunting for the last number now, so I can check where that one is.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #61 on: April 29, 2015, 02:57:44 am »
I ordered some of these -059 PSOC 5 boards from Digikey and received them yesterday.
Having play with one of them they do seem to work well.

My comments so far:

- They bring all the I/O pins available (other than the USB pins) to the header.

- Programming and debugging works quite well except for the attach to running target option, this seems to get the debugger chip in to a state where it has to be powered down and up to work again.

- There is a reset switch on the debugger (kitprog) part of the board that only resets the target chip, so to reset the kitprog chip you have to disconnect all power. There is a place on the target chip part of the board for a reset switch so that when you break it away from the kitprog board you can add the reset switch.

- As someone already mentioned, it's a shame they did not add a place for a crystal and the load capacitors.

- You actually get 2 PSOC 5 boards as the kitprog uses a PSOC 5 also. They have not connected the pins that would allow it to be reprogrammed via a programmer. It can be reprogrammed via the boot loader but I would have much preferred if they had provided access to the programming pins. It could then be used as a non bootloadable device.

- The PSOC 5LP is meant to be able to run at 80MHZ but I could only get it to compile with a maximum frequency of 76.8 or 79.5MHZ with USB turned on. This is due to the internal clock inaccuracy. If a crystal is used then the full 80MHZ can be set.
   
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #62 on: April 29, 2015, 03:26:43 am »
how close does the crystal needs to be to the pins? I know ideally they should be right at the pin but P15_0 P15_1 are very close to the chip, as well as for the RTC xtal on pins P15_2 & P15_3

As for the kitprog part, well I guess you can always make a board and transplant the chip :)
« Last Edit: April 29, 2015, 03:28:35 am by miguelvp »
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #63 on: April 29, 2015, 04:44:57 am »
The data sheet indicates the crystal should be very close to the chip but I guess it would probably work with a lower frequency crystal. The best option would be to use a oscillator module and feed it in to the crystal input pin or you can use one of the GPIO pins and set it up as a digital signal clock which can then be used as a source for the other clocks.
I'm not too concerned about the kitprog board not having the programmer connections, but it would have been a bonus if it had.

The more I look at these PSOC microcontrollers the more I find new features. I also find PSOC creator reasonable easy to work with. 
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #64 on: April 29, 2015, 09:34:30 am »
1. SWDIO and SWDCLK pins are also multiplexed on D+ and D- lines of the PSoC 5LP device. Thus, you can use the PCB USB header of the KitProg along with the XRES signal (connected to R1 and C2) to program the PSoC 5LP device.

2. The next version of the CY8CKIT-059, which will start shipping in a couple of weeks, will have the load capacitors for external 32kHz crystal loaded on the board. You can use P15_2 and P15_3 pins to connect the external 32kHz crystal oscillator.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #65 on: April 29, 2015, 03:50:22 pm »
2. The next version of the CY8CKIT-059, which will start shipping in a couple of weeks, will have the load capacitors for external 32kHz crystal loaded on the board. You can use P15_2 and P15_3 pins to connect the external 32kHz crystal oscillator.

on the product page, will there be any info about which revision it is? only information on productpages is that they are changed on an given date, but no information if anything product related have changed.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #66 on: April 29, 2015, 10:38:49 pm »
1. SWDIO and SWDCLK pins are also multiplexed on D+ and D- lines of the PSoC 5LP device. Thus, you can use the PCB USB header of the KitProg along with the XRES signal (connected to R1 and C2) to program the PSoC 5LP device.

2. The next version of the CY8CKIT-059, which will start shipping in a couple of weeks, will have the load capacitors for external 32kHz crystal loaded on the board. You can use P15_2 and P15_3 pins to connect the external 32kHz crystal oscillator.

As suggested I have managed to program the Kitprog PSOC5LP.  I made up an adapter from a USB extension lead by using the USB socket connected to some header pins. I didn't bother with the XRES connection because that was a bit more tricky to connect up. Using a miniprog3 with power cycle programming allowed the PSOC5LP to be programmed and debugged. There is no kitprog hex file included in the -059 kit software so I used the BLE kit Kitprog hex file to restore the programmer software and it all worked OK.

My thought on how to connect up the XRES pin is to glue a header pin socket on to the top of the PSOC5LP and connect it to the R1/C2 connection point. A wire could then be added to the adapter I made up which can connect into the socket glued on the chip. This would then allow programming by another Kitrpog and reset mode programming.

I was incorrect when I said in my previous post that the 'Attach to running target' caused a problem, it is the 'Debug without programming' that seems to cause a problem and requires the board to be power cycled before it will work again.

The boards I have are revision 03 and I see the new boards are revision 05, other than the addition of the RTC load capacitors are there any other changes?
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #67 on: April 30, 2015, 12:20:52 am »
The boards I have are revision 03 and I see the new boards are revision 05, other than the addition of the RTC load capacitors are there any other changes?

Where do you see this?, I haven't gotten mine yet, but on the 4200 sticks, I can't find any revision either, on the paperpackage it is written "rev **" :)
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #68 on: April 30, 2015, 12:34:15 am »
There is a paper sticker on the back of the board with the revision number, It's also on the silk screen on the back as well at the edge of the board USB connector on the kitprog part of the prototype.

Edit: neslekkim, also on the 4200 sticks it has the rev code on the bigger sticker with the QR code, as well a very faintly on the back of the USB connector.
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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #69 on: April 30, 2015, 06:30:02 am »
Edit: neslekkim, also on the 4200 sticks it has the rev code on the bigger sticker with the QR code, as well a very faintly on the back of the USB connector.

Cool, that means the 4200 sticks I bought last year in march is rev 04, and those I got now is still 04. Good to know.

The productpages are changing from time to time, but no info about what is changes. I suspect the publishing system they use are updating dates even if they are notifying stock changes.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #70 on: May 05, 2015, 10:14:55 pm »
Got my lot now, rev 03.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #71 on: May 05, 2015, 11:53:05 pm »
Got it today rev 03. Positions of RX(12.6), TX(12.7) are swapped on pdf(KitProg sheet) and on silk on the KitProg board.
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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #72 on: May 06, 2015, 02:42:01 am »
Got it today rev 03. Positions of RX(12.6), TX(12.7) are swapped on pdf(KitProg sheet) and on silk on the KitProg board.

I'm not sure what you mean. On both sections of the board the UART TX pin is P12.7 and RX pin is P12.6. This is shown correctly on the silk screen on both sections of board. The UART TX and RX signals are swapped over between the Kitprog and target boards, which is how it should be.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #73 on: May 06, 2015, 03:04:08 am »


Quote from: Macman on Today at 20:42:01


>Quote from: Evi on Today at 17:53:05
Got it today rev 03. Positions of RX(12.6), TX(12.7) are swapped on pdf(KitProg sheet) and on silk on the
KitProg board.



I'm not sure what you mean. On both sections of the board the UART TX pin is P12.7 and RX pin is P12.6. This is shown correctly on the silk screen on both sections of board. The UART TX and RX signals are swapped over between the Kitprog and target boards, which is how it should be.
I mean that physically contact P12.6 must be where P12.6 typed. And the same thing with P12.7. If you try them with multimeter, you'll see the opposite.


 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #74 on: May 06, 2015, 04:47:06 am »
I have just created a program to confirm P12.6 and P12.7 on both the kitprog and target boards. This confirms the pins are connected to the correct header pins that have the correct silk screen label. Are you sure you are not measuring the TX and RX pins between the kitprog and target board, these should be reversed.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #75 on: May 06, 2015, 06:06:00 pm »


Quote from: Macman on Yesterday at 22:47:06
I have just created a program to confirm P12.6 and P12.7 on both the kitprog and target boards. This confirms the pins are connected to the correct header pins that have the correct silk screen label. Are you sure you are not measuring the TX and RX pins between the kitprog and target board, these should be reversed.
Yes.
Sorry, my mistake, forget about.

 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #76 on: May 28, 2015, 05:33:37 am »
they are in stock again! buy em while you can! I got 2
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #77 on: May 28, 2015, 06:02:22 am »
Thanks! Order placed :)
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #78 on: May 28, 2015, 06:15:32 am »
Thanks!

Even the Remote control kit was now in stock
http://www.cypress.com/?rID=102638

and the Mouse kit was available for pre-order
http://www.cypress.com/?rID=102637

 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #79 on: May 28, 2015, 06:21:06 am »
I wonder if they underestimated the demand for this board :)
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #80 on: May 28, 2015, 06:42:19 am »

Even the Remote control kit was now in stock
http://www.cypress.com/?rID=102638

Thanks!

I will settle for the remote instead of the mouse (for now) but with the miniprog 3 included (not that I need it now since I can use one of the 4 prototype boards I already have) I prefer to have a dedicated one.

Plus I had $25 credit because of forum participation (they just stop doing that and I didn't milk it but maybe others did) on the store so I could not resist getting the remote kit :)
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #81 on: May 28, 2015, 07:38:27 am »

I have $25 off too, too bad they didnt subtract that for me.. So I got charged $32 instead of $12, only had $12 in paypal.. So waiting on customer support to get back to me about it


Even the Remote control kit was now in stock
http://www.cypress.com/?rID=102638

Thanks!

I will settle for the remote instead of the mouse (for now) but with the miniprog 3 included (not that I need it now since I can use one of the 4 prototype boards I already have) I prefer to have a dedicated one.

Plus I had $25 credit because of forum participation (they just stop doing that and I didn't milk it but maybe others did) on the store so I could not resist getting the remote kit :)
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #82 on: May 28, 2015, 07:49:21 am »
I have $25 off too, too bad they didnt subtract that for me.. So I got charged $32 instead of $12, only had $12 in paypal.. So waiting on customer support to get back to me about it

With the cheapest shipping $12 mine came to $36.00 after applying the $25 coupon they e-mail me a while back, but I did order the remote.
Did you forget to put the discount coupon during checkout, because it's not automatic.

If they e-mail it to you, it should have had the subject: Your Cypress Store Coupon Order?
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #83 on: May 28, 2015, 07:51:32 am »
lucky ones, I'm paying $35 for shipping alone.. :(
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #84 on: May 28, 2015, 08:00:51 am »
lucky ones, I'm paying $35 for shipping alone.. :(

That's the way I feel everytime TopLoser has something cool to offer in the forum.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #85 on: May 28, 2015, 09:10:47 am »
I did put it in, it shows up when I look at details but the amount wasnt taken off, it was in after I hit apply.. but then submit order and the discount dissapeared, waiting for a reply from them


I have $25 off too, too bad they didnt subtract that for me.. So I got charged $32 instead of $12, only had $12 in paypal.. So waiting on customer support to get back to me about it

With the cheapest shipping $12 mine came to $36.00 after applying the $25 coupon they e-mail me a while back, but I did order the remote.
Did you forget to put the discount coupon during checkout, because it's not automatic.

If they e-mail it to you, it should have had the subject: Your Cypress Store Coupon Order?
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #86 on: May 29, 2015, 05:33:51 am »
 :o I decided these weren't coming back in stock and ordered the full price MinProg3.  :rant:
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #87 on: May 29, 2015, 05:38:03 am »
Again they are out of stock. Do they make them in small batches or it's just people buying as many as they can?
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #88 on: May 29, 2015, 06:25:27 am »
MiniProg3 Program&Debug Kit CY8CKIT-002 teardown:

Hi-res photos: here

Plastic case:



Cypress CY8C214
TI TPS65053



Cypress CY7C68013A
Xilinx Spartan-3E 3S100E

 

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« Reply #89 on: May 29, 2015, 06:44:55 am »
And to think they can now replace all that with a PSoC 5LP using the KitProg software is amazing.

One of the reasons I got the PRoC remote kit is that it comes with a MiniProg 3 included all for $49
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #90 on: May 29, 2015, 06:52:35 am »
I wonder what J2 is meant for on that miniprog..
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #91 on: May 29, 2015, 08:10:33 am »
the 059 is now out of stock again, prolly another month till more will be stocked. I think they underestimated demand for this one :)


I want to get one of those 49$ remote things just to get the miniprog3 too :)

 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #92 on: May 29, 2015, 08:16:19 am »
the 059 is now out of stock again, prolly another month till more will be stocked. I think they underestimated demand for this one :)

Well the chip itself goes for over $10 qty 1, and it comes with a 2nd 5LP (for the kitprog part)  that cost about the same.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #93 on: May 29, 2015, 10:04:22 am »
the 059 is now out of stock again, prolly another month till more will be stocked. I think they underestimated demand for this one :)

Well the chip itself goes for over $10 qty 1, and it comes with a 2nd 5LP (for the kitprog part)  that cost about the same.

yup, and thats just those 2 chips. theres a bit more on there, but wouldnt add much to the BOM.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #94 on: May 29, 2015, 03:45:07 pm »
Ordered both $49 kits, and a couple of the 5lp kits (again), and order already with FedEx, the mouse kit was said to be pre-order, but the order marked it as shipped, so it will be interesting to see what I get on Monday.
 

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« Reply #95 on: May 29, 2015, 04:07:58 pm »
Damn, wife out of town and I have to go to work tomorrow and my remote kit is already in Chicago, so I might not get it if I'm not home :(

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5/28/15   5:06 PM   CHICAGO, IL 60666, US   At destination sort facility

Ordered both $49 kits, and a couple of the 5lp kits (again), and order already with FedEx, the mouse kit was said to be pre-order, but the order marked it as shipped, so it will be interesting to see what I get on Monday.
Double damn, I went for the remote because my last pre-order (the 5LP prototype kit) took around 2 months or so.
 

Offline Macman

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #96 on: May 29, 2015, 08:05:14 pm »
If any one is still looking to purchase the BLE remote kit or the CY8CKIT-059 board, Mouser currently have 10 of the remote kit and 434 of the CY8CKIT-059 in stock.
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #97 on: June 02, 2015, 10:44:27 am »
the 059 devboard is back in stock again.

http://www.cypress.com/?rid=108038
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #98 on: June 02, 2015, 10:48:23 am »
Got my remote today with the full miniprog and btw the mouse is available and in stock

http://www.cypress.com/?rID=102638

I think I'm going to pass on the mouse, the remote seems to suit my needs for now.

These are not dev boards so other than some test points there are no extra available GPIOs.
You could use the 16 pins used for the trackpad that uses a connector or take out some 0 Ohm resistors if you want to procure some from the audio input if you don't need that (4 pins) and 5 extra pins used for the motion sensor also has 0 Ohm resistors that could be taken out to re-purpose those pins.

Have to do some chores but I'll play with the MiniProg3 first :)
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #99 on: June 03, 2015, 11:16:18 pm »
Got the remote, mouse and three more 5LP cards, on these cards it was written rev A on the packaging, and on the stick it self, Rev 05.

Dang, I got many miniprogs now ;)
 

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Re: Cheap PSoC4 progremmer
« Reply #100 on: June 04, 2015, 10:18:29 am »
Got the remote, mouse and three more 5LP cards, on these cards it was written rev A on the packaging, and on the stick it self, Rev 05.

Dang, I got many miniprogs now ;)

wanna sell one? :)
 


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