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Offline legacy

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Re: How do you deal with stray code?
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2018, 11:16:03 am »
Anyway, I have recently found that germicidal lamps used to clean surgery cutters are extremely good to safely wipe UVEPROMs, and there are interesting opportunity to find one for cheap (got mine for 60 Euro) from little bazaars in Russia. Even online.

It just needs a timer for setting the exposure time  :popcorn:

Once wiped, the chip perfectly works, it keeps a new programming, but it has a weird smell. Can't describe, it's something that smells of the hospital. Maybe the germicidal lamp has a large UV spectrum and some wavelength interacts with some chemical element used in the body of UVPROM.

ROMs wiped by profe$$ional tools don't have this weird smell  :-//
 

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Re: How do you deal with stray code?
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2018, 11:41:16 am »
but it has a weird smell. Can't describe, it's something that smells of the hospital. Maybe the germicidal lamp has a large UV spectrum and some wavelength interacts with some chemical element used in the body of UVPROM.

UV of certain wavelengths, makes Ozone. Which has a distinctive smell, even in small quantities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone.
If it makes ozone, it is also probably harmful for your eyes (UV very bad), at those frequencies.
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Because of the strongly oxidizing properties of ozone, ozone is a primary irritant, affecting especially the eyes and respiratory systems and can be hazardous at even low concentrations. The Canadian Centre for Occupation Safety and Health reports that:
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Re: How do you deal with stray code?
« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2018, 11:46:31 am »
UV of certain wavelengths makes Ozone.

ummm ... the lamp is hosted inside an aluminum box I have homemade; I know ultraviolet light can show aging property of aluminum particles and epoxy composite (these are used in dentistry for fillings), but ... how can it make ozone?  :-//
 

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Re: How do you deal with stray code?
« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2018, 11:47:51 am »
UV of certain wavelengths makes Ozone.

ummm ... the lamp is hosted inside an aluminum box I have homemade; I know ultraviolet light can show aging property of aluminum particles and epoxy composite (these are used in dentistry for fillings), but ... how can it make ozone?  :-//

http://www.oxidationtech.com/ozone/ozone-production/uv-lamp.html

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UV light can also be used to produce ozone commercially for a wide variety of applications. While UV Ozone Generators are only a small fraction of the Ozone Generator market, it is valuable to understand how they work and what applications they may be suitable for.

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UV light in the range from 160 – 240 nm will create ozone from oxygen. Ozone is created by the photolysis of the oxygen molecule (O2). This will disrupt the molecule and create valent oxygen atoms (O) that will then attach to any individual oxygen molecules (O2) to create ozone (O3).
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Re: How do you deal with stray code?
« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2018, 11:51:11 am »
If you are using the "wrong" type of UV light. It will makes lots of Ozone, which is dangerous to breath in. I believe.
 

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Re: How do you deal with stray code?
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2018, 11:55:34 am »
yup, the lamp covers 180 nm, it's written on the label, hence bingo, it's probably ozone the smell I was talking about.

Definitively this tool must be used open air, or next to an open window.

Thanks for your warning  :-+
 

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Re: How do you deal with stray code?
« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2018, 12:01:01 pm »
With professional UV EPROM erasers, you can get a tiny/slight whiff of Ozone smell from them. If they have been on a long time (30+ minutes), and there isn't much air flow, around the area.
But this is usually only a small amount of smell, which soon dissipates.

Laser printers, especially the really old ones from 10/20 years ago, sometimes gave off noticeable smells of Ozone.
Due to the UV lamp, which erases the laser drum (or whatever it is used for in a laser printer).

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Re: How do you deal with stray code?
« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2018, 12:30:34 pm »
Laser printers, especially the really old ones from 10/20 years ago, sometimes gave off noticeable smells of Ozone.
Due to the UV lamp, which erases the laser drum (or whatever it is used for in a laser printer).


Corona wire - High voltage.
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Re: How do you deal with stray code?
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2018, 12:48:48 am »
If I were to find un-erased chips, I would simply erase them immediately, since anything else might be morally and legally questionable.
Part of the "big company" mentality that was drummed into me: "if you come across info that might be 'confidential' to one of your competitors", you should NOT look at it.
 

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Re: How do you deal with stray code?
« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2018, 01:11:25 am »
EPROMS never had any kind of code protection and what sort of confidential information is going to be on chips pulled from scrapped obsolete technology?

If someone doesn't want me to look at their data, it's their responsibility to keep it from getting out. I have absolutely zero moral issues looking around in old ROMs. I have as much loyalty toward any unnamed "big company" as they have toward me, which is to say, none at all.
 


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