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Offline Random Model Maker

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Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« on: November 01, 2017, 05:27:31 AM »
Hello people,

First of all: this might be a stupid question. Please forgive me if I miss the obvious.
I just realised a project, first time I did this from blank paper all the way to custom PCB and enclosure.
In the spirit of the electronics community and free knowledge in general, I would like to make it open source.
That being said, I do not have an own website, blog, facebook acccount or anything in that category, where I could publish the files.
I bet there is a place everybody but me knows about, where I could publish the files.
By the way, would you publish the PCB documents as Gerbers?

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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2017, 05:39:41 AM »
Hi,

Try here: www.hackster.io

I'm sure there will be more similar places.

If you publish Gerbers only people could build it. If you publish schematic people could collaborate improving or expanding the project. Your choice.

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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2017, 05:44:37 AM »
Thank You,

well I was thinking about publishing a schematic as well, but my question was about uploading the PCB as Gerber rather than Altium doc, as I presume only people with Altium would be able to open it.
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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2017, 08:57:57 AM »
Thank You,

well I was thinking about publishing a schematic as well, but my question was about uploading the PCB as Gerber rather than Altium doc, as I presume only people with Altium would be able to open it.

It won't hurt to publish the Altium files too. Even if only a few people will have access to it. Make it as accessible as you can to as many people as possible. If the project is sufficiently interesting someone might recreate the PCB in another software package.

If you want to open up your project then make it as easy as you can to get others involved.

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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2017, 10:10:05 AM »
GitHub! :-[ Could have thought of that one. I always thought it was only for code.  :palm:

I was actually thinking of slightly limiting the amount of stuff I make accessible to the community, as the market that it is going to be targeting (it's going to be a slotcar speed controller) is very "misunderstanding" of the Open Source spirit.
Most people in the german slotting community are very nice and honest, but there are quite a few black sheep.
I have to fear that pretty much as soon as some individuals get hold of the schematic, somebody will have ripped off my design and undercut me big time.
That said, I do believe the risk is very low that these people dwell around much on GitHub.

I think it is actually worth taking that risk, as I will have to do customer service on these, so if somebody could access the schematic, would save me quite some work.
Plus, I will not "market" it as OSHW as such, except for the little logo on there.
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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2017, 10:52:21 AM »
Plus, I will not "market" it as OSHW as such, except for the little logo on there.

 

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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2017, 10:54:59 AM »
Don't worry Dave, if I will make an open source project, I will publish everything I have.
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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2017, 02:08:25 PM »

I was actually thinking of slightly limiting the amount of stuff I make accessible to the community, as the market that it is going to be targeting (it's going to be a slotcar speed controller) is very "misunderstanding" of the Open Source spirit.
Most people in the german slotting community are very nice and honest, but there are quite a few black sheep.
I have to fear that pretty much as soon as some individuals get hold of the schematic, somebody will have ripped off my design and undercut me big time.
That said, I do believe the risk is very low that these people dwell around much on GitHub.

I think it is actually worth taking that risk, as I will have to do customer service on these, so if somebody could access the schematic, would save me quite some work.
Plus, I will not "market" it as OSHW as such, except for the little logo on there.

Are you sure you're not misunderstanding the OSHW "spirit"? If you want someone to take your design and then create a copy of it for whatever purpose then you should open it up for that to happen. They won't be fairly charged with ripping you off. Even if they make it and sell it cheaper. That's one way  OSHW can benefit the world.

If you are just looking to benefit yourself financially and have the community stroke your ego because you put an OSHW logo on something not entirely open then I advise you not too. You won't be respected for doing things like that.
 

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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2017, 03:27:17 PM »
Don't worry Dave, if I will make an open source project, I will publish everything I have.

I'm not worried, I don't care, it's entirely up to you.
Don't feel obligated by anyone to publish everything, publish what you want to publish.
There are *always* limits to what people publish with OSHW, even the "purists" don't release truly everything.
 

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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2017, 09:41:25 PM »
I have to fear that pretty much as soon as some individuals get hold of the schematic, somebody will have ripped off my design and undercut me big time.

If you have that fear, you DO NOT release it as Open Source.
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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2017, 10:06:27 PM »
Thank You,
well I was thinking about publishing a schematic as well, but my question was about uploading the PCB as Gerber rather than Altium doc, as I presume only people with Altium would be able to open it.

If you want to follow the "official" OSHW definition then you must release the Altium design files. The gerber files are not enough as they are not the "design files"

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The hardware must be released with documentation including design files, and must allow modification and distribution of the design files. Where documentation is not furnished with the physical product, there must be a well-publicized means of obtaining this documentation for no more than a reasonable reproduction cost, preferably downloading via the Internet without charge. The documentation must include design files in the preferred format for making changes, for example the native file format of a CAD program.
 

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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2017, 10:08:17 PM »
I have to fear that pretty much as soon as some individuals get hold of the schematic, somebody will have ripped off my design and undercut me big time.

If all your products value is in the schematic, then you are doing it wrong.
 

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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2017, 10:15:09 PM »
If you want to follow the "official" OSHW definition then you must release the Altium design files. The gerber files are not enough as they are not the "design files"


I just watched your first video on the rules, and if it was true OSHW, I'd redraw it in Kicad.  ;)

Now, I'm being a bit deterred from the idea, as I would have to publish all that stuff I don't have.
All the project is made of is a schematic, a PCB and a tiny snippet of code.
Granted, I'll publish that anyways, for said reason that people can fix the thing; to quote the philosopher AvE: "If you're not allowed to fix it, do you own it?"
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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2017, 10:18:00 PM »
I just watched your first video on the rules, and if it was true OSHW, I'd redraw it in Kicad.  ;)

No one will begrudge you using Altium.

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Now, I'm being a bit deterred from the idea, as I would have to publish all that stuff I don't have.
All the project is made of is a schematic, a PCB and a tiny snippet of code.
Granted, I'll publish that anyways, for said reason that people can fix the thing; to quote the philosopher AvE: "If you're not allowed to fix it, do you own it?"

Release whatever you feel comfortable releasing.
Even the most die-hard OSHW advocates can't deny that even the official OSHW definition (and it's signatories) says this:
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The signatories of this Open Source Hardware definition recognize that the open source movement represents only one way of sharing information. We encourage and support all forms of openness and collaboration, whether or not they fit this definition.
 

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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2017, 10:20:47 PM »
I have to fear that pretty much as soon as some individuals get hold of the schematic, somebody will have ripped off my design and undercut me big time.

If all your products value is in the schematic, then you are doing it wrong.


I am almost certainly doing it wrong Dave.
But yes, there's not all the value in the schematic, but it's easy enough to go on from there. It's not a complicated product.
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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2017, 10:47:59 PM »
I am almost certainly doing it wrong Dave.
But yes, there's not all the value in the schematic, but it's easy enough to go on from there. It's not a complicated product.

If it's a good enough idea and there is money in it then people don't need your OSHW files to copy it.
And for niche products it's usually not worth copying and competing with the original designer commercially.
My uCurrent for example has been open source hardware since April 2009 and it's sold very well over that time. But while some people have made their own and also sold their own variant, no one has yet to compete with sales of my own units, yet it's trivial (and legal, minus the EEVblog and uCurrent names) for someone to do so if they desire.
 
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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2017, 11:06:20 PM »
I am almost certainly doing it wrong Dave.
But yes, there's not all the value in the schematic, but it's easy enough to go on from there. It's not a complicated product.

If it's a good enough idea and there is money in it then people don't need your OSHW files to copy it.
And for niche products it's usually not worth copying and competing with the original designer commercially.
My uCurrent for example has been open source hardware since April 2009 and it's sold very well over that time. But while some people have made their own and also sold their own variant, no one has yet to compete with sales of my own units, yet it's trivial (and legal, minus the EEVblog and uCurrent names) for someone to do so if they desire.

Good argument. Maybe I'm just cynical.
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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2017, 05:14:22 AM »
Thank You,

well I was thinking about publishing a schematic as well, but my question was about uploading the PCB as Gerber rather than Altium doc, as I presume only people with Altium would be able to open it.
Don’t worry about altium :) put the schematic and someone will convert that to eagle or some other sw
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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2017, 08:27:01 AM »
Don’t worry about altium :) put the schematic and someone will convert that to eagle or some other sw

You do know that Eagle is not free software, right?
 

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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2017, 05:53:21 PM »
Don’t worry about altium :) put the schematic and someone will convert that to eagle or some other sw

You do know that Eagle is not free software, right?
Yes it is for small boards,you didn't specify when I posted. That's not the point the point is here in this forum you find people who may get you with some ideas if you put the schematics online. The rest is filosophy

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Re: Can one do an OSHW project without a website?
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2017, 11:59:00 AM »
There is also a new website from Electropages coming this Month, hopefully?

https://www.electromaker.io
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