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Offline cmhansen

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Re: [HELP] HDMI 2.0 to MIPI-DSI / LVDS [SOLVED]
« Reply #100 on: December 31, 2016, 08:04:05 am »
How programmable (or hackable) are those asics on universal 4k display boards (with HDMI and DP in, for monitors, TVs, signage, etc)? 
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/UHD-4Kx-2k-LCD-Board-with_60573541043.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.tG2it7
I'd guess they are Realtek or Broadcom based.

This one supports freesync, firmware upgrading and 'special effects'... couldn't that VESA compression be a simple 'special effect'??:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/HDMI-DP-to-eDP-or-V_60478017305.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.P5z7Xf

Or possibly just output the PC's HDMI or DP feed already compressed (shoehorn with a custom resolution/filter/refresh?).
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Re: [HELP] HDMI 2.0 to MIPI-DSI / LVDS [SOLVED]
« Reply #101 on: January 08, 2017, 05:32:13 pm »
In fact why not convert to USB 3.1 (10Gbps)

If I read this correctly 'alt mode' switches RX to TX for 20Gbps half-duplex (making it DP 1.2 capable?)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8558/displayport-alternate-mode-for-usb-typec-announced.

Somewhat OT but why not wire all PCIe lanes to type-c ports with a few that can switch to half-duplex for display purpose, or heavy write cases?  No internal expansion needed, a fully universal and cleaner less expensive mobo for home and to plug into a server rack as-is --- the typ-c connectors are the backplane.  At 40Gbps has same bandwidth as 5 PCIe 3.0 lanes, so only 3 cables is just 1 lane bandwidth shy of an x16 slot.... type-c is supposed to support 80Gbps? in the future.  3 type-c PD supplies all power for the GPU surprisingly, supposedly a common Type-c should carry 3A @ 20V, up to high power 5A cables.  So 3 cables, 180-300W - that covers all the GPU's out there to the very high-end. Brilliant.

Asus is already doing pure pcie over type-c, at ~2GBps (16Gbps, 2 lanes) per cable:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-rog-xg2-graphics-dock,30941.html
Seems like ATX is all but history, and why are PSU's still stuck at 12V (Why not a single 20V+ rail).

We might see RJ45 / p8c8 replaced with type-c terminated CAT8, or simple p8c8 to type-c jacks (would make replacing that jack easy - in fact it's basically sfp)
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Re: [HELP] HDMI 2.0 to MIPI-DSI / LVDS [SOLVED]
« Reply #102 on: April 19, 2017, 01:53:07 pm »
Someone Roberto Luo few days ago posted a project in development at hackaday.io, describing a HDMI controller for dual mipi displays.
as for 4k, it says Sony Z5 4K 3840*2160(Testing)
It is early to judge, maybe it will the first successful project we can use

https://hackaday.io/project/21176-hdmi-to-mipi-dsi-adapter-for-2k-4k-displays
 

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Re: [HELP] HDMI 2.0 to MIPI-DSI / LVDS [SOLVED]
« Reply #103 on: June 08, 2017, 12:13:33 am »
I am looking and waiting for the same thing for a year. I think this is it as noted above from Roberto Luo on Hackaday.

http://www.confuindustries.com/col.jsp?id=110

I just emailed Sales at ConFu to find out more. I am looking to make a small high res field monitor for my camera and this would be great.
 

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Re: [HELP] HDMI 2.0 to MIPI-DSI / LVDS [SOLVED]
« Reply #104 on: June 23, 2017, 01:25:42 pm »
Received email back from Robert Luo

Unfortunately after a year of R&D on building a HDMI to MIPI converter for the Sony Z5 4k LCD Display, they couldn't get it working and gave up trying. They sold their R&D already and are focusing on another 4k solution that is HDMI to eDP converter. Didnt mention which panel though.
I have attached his attachment to me regarding their new HDMI to eDP converter
 

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Re: [HELP] HDMI 2.0 to MIPI-DSI / LVDS [SOLVED]
« Reply #105 on: June 23, 2017, 01:32:53 pm »
That looks much better than the Qualia board from Adafruit  :-+
Your toaster just set fire to an African child over TCP.
 

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Re: [HELP] HDMI 2.0 to MIPI-DSI / LVDS [SOLVED]
« Reply #106 on: August 11, 2017, 08:08:24 am »
What is the OP thinking of doing for heat dissipation? A typical 4K projector lamp will draw 250-300 watts alone, and if you've got a tiny transmissive display (like the OP's suggested LCD) you're going to have to dissipate a good portion of that from the display. I saw something like 33% loss earlier in the thread - I sure wouldn't be comfortable dumping 100W into a cheap consumer phone display for hours on end.

Good point and needs some consideration.
The LED isn't 100% efficient, maybe 15%, or 100 lm/W [1].  For a 300W LED lamp that is 15% efficient... there is only 45W of visible light as the starting "100% backlight" source.  True there is also IR (heat), most heat can be dissipated at the back of the lamp through the heatsink.  The temp on the heatsint x area will give an idea what IR there is also given emissivity.  For easy estimate, emissivity=1, and a lamp the size of a screen 5.5" has 83.39cm², say this is like a CPU core on a cpu cooler, going up to 70C under load.  black body radiation (total) at that temp seems to be ~ 6.5W ??
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/radfrac.html

at 70C it's basically all IR-C, and IR-A is only ~5%, IR-A maybe all you might need worry about in fact, as that can be blocked by glass, say something between the LED and LCD, so there is only 45W of visible light now. 

So, 5-8% light efficiency of LCD of the 45W visible light, round to 10% efficiency, there is only ~4.5W of light being projected!!  That sounds like nothing, but if you can convert 1W to 683lm, x 4.5 = 3073.5 lm (convert to ANSI??).  It checks out that the 300W LED @ 100 lm/W = 30,000 lm, ~10% is 3000 lm.

Anyways, that's still 45W - 4.5W projected = 40.5W the screen absorbs.  40.5W is only ~ .5W/cm sq for the LCD glass to dissipate, x 2 sides is only .25W/cm sq.  A good amount could sink around the edges to case of a touching piece of glass too.  The LCD datasheet might show a 60C high temp operational test for 240hrs but it may not be intended continuous, not sure.  Add airflow to the LCD and it should be fine.   

Maybe a good idea [2]: put a reflective polarizer in front of the lamp the same polarization as the back LCD polarizer --- THEN the back LCD polarizer absorbs basically no light and it [should be] basically like having the reflective polarizer on the LCD.  A normal polarizer has 50%-60% loss
http://informationdisplay.org/portals/informationdisplay/issues/2010/09/art6/GIFS/Fig_1b.jpg

With the first 45% transmittance, the total is 7.6%, without the barrier it is ~17%, over double the output.  If 'polarization recycling' was itself 50% efficient, ~12% is reached, which still is over a 50% gain.  However the best I have read is a 30% gain which is still substantial and means ~ 25% reduction in power... that still takes 10W or so off the LCD, down to 30W, not to mention the 300W LED down to 225W, quite an improvement really.

I'm considering 6000K LED car headlights with fans / heatsinks attached for a lamp.  (Not sure if any of those heatsinks look capable of even 100W though)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_efficacy

[2] http://www.apioptics.com/reflective-polarizer-films.html

Interesting:
http://electroiq.com/blog/2008/01/shedding-light-on-alternative-to-lcd-manufacturing/
(a TFT 'mems' display with no LCD, filter, or polarizer -- 'vaporware'?)
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Re: [HELP] HDMI 2.0 to MIPI-DSI / LVDS [SOLVED]
« Reply #107 on: September 09, 2017, 05:09:55 pm »
Received email back from Robert Luo

Unfortunately after a year of R&D on building a HDMI to MIPI converter for the Sony Z5 4k LCD Display, they couldn't get it working and gave up trying. They sold their R&D already and are focusing on another 4k solution that is HDMI to eDP converter. Didnt mention which panel though.
I have attached his attachment to me regarding their new HDMI to eDP converter
I found this on their diytrade page:
http://confuindustries.diytrade.com/sdm/2432682/4/pd-7469939/20494572-0/HDMI_to_MIPI_Converter_Board_for_Sony_Z5_5_5_inch.html
 

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Re: [HELP] HDMI 2.0 to MIPI-DSI / LVDS [SOLVED]
« Reply #108 on: October 04, 2017, 12:42:52 pm »
Yes i know, Which is what made me email in the first place. But unfortunately if you email him you get the above response from before. He has also updated another page of his saying the Z5 controller board has stopped.
 

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Re: [HELP] HDMI 2.0 to MIPI-DSI / LVDS [SOLVED]
« Reply #109 on: October 26, 2017, 02:01:38 am »
Just seen a new updated listing on alibaba offering HDMI to MIPI-DSI 2ch 4 Lane controller board which runs the Sony Z5 Premium 4k LCD.

You can purchase here:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/3840-2160-4K-HDMI-to-DSI_60706236703.html
 

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Re: [HELP] HDMI 2.0 to MIPI-DSI / LVDS [SOLVED]
« Reply #110 on: November 05, 2017, 12:27:34 am »
Hi, i am very intrested in this project, I want to build DIY projector with this LCD. Are you going to finish the driver ? Or what are the lastest news ? I am going to buy z5 with some damage on ebay and try to use it as a media center, but there are problems like sound from phone is stereo not 5.1 etc. So i will be happy if the driver will be.
Thanks
 

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Re: [HELP] HDMI 2.0 to MIPI-DSI / LVDS [SOLVED]
« Reply #111 on: December 28, 2020, 05:30:40 pm »
Reviving an old thread here.  I am in the process of building a 4k DIY projector but still limited to the 30hz frequency.  I am using a h546uan01.0 display but the driver board only can do 30hz.

Has someone actually got a 5.5 inch 4k display @ 60hz?  If so can you please let me know what was used as the driver board for the display.

Thanks
 


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