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Offline awefTopic starter

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Buffering/Decoupling AC-DC 5V Power Line
« on: September 20, 2017, 05:52:13 pm »
I'm powering my PCB from a USB power wall wart (220VAC -> 5VDC).  I believe the USB power supply (iPhone style) is a Switch Mode supply since it's not large/heavy.

When a high power motor on the same AC Circuit starts, my 5V line can vary +/-10-15V for 10-20ms.  It looks more like line noise/ringing than a "square wave pull down" when I look at my scope output.

Can AC noise really affect my DC power rail that much?

I've tried putting a 10mF capacitor across 5V/Ground, but it seems to make little difference.

Are there common ways to decouple my PCB/Power Supply from my nasty neighbor?
 

Offline David Hess

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Re: Buffering/Decoupling AC-DC 5V Power Line
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2017, 11:42:57 pm »
The USB power wall wart was just cheap and has poor line regulation.  A better one would not have that problem.  You could try attaching a large aluminum electrolytic capacitor to the output.

 

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Re: Buffering/Decoupling AC-DC 5V Power Line
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2017, 09:49:01 am »
I tried another more expensive SMPS but had the same effect.

I'll try the capacitor idea.

Is there anything in a power supply specification that I could look for which would imply better line regulation?  Or perhaps to ask a different way... If I can't find a good power supply and need to design it myself, what should I definitely not miss?

I've made a few buck/simple smps boards before by following designs, but never had to address this particular problem in the past.
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Re: Buffering/Decoupling AC-DC 5V Power Line
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2017, 12:39:43 pm »
Is there anything in a power supply specification that I could look for which would imply better line regulation?  Or perhaps to ask a different way... If I can't find a good power supply and need to design it myself, what should I definitely not miss?

It is an aspect of line regulation.  Current mode designs are better for this because of their feedforward negative feedback.  USB chargers and a lot of consumer gear is just incredibly cheap.

Another way to handle it is to add a shunt regulator to the output which might be as simple as a zener diode.

Double check that what you are measuring is real.  The Y class EMI suppression capacitors to ground might be coupling common mode noise into the ground of your test instrument.
 

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Re: Buffering/Decoupling AC-DC 5V Power Line
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2017, 05:33:32 pm »
Thanks for your thoughts David! 

I'm not familiar with the concepts regarding Y-Class Capacitors/Common Mode Noise Coupling, but I'll try to look around and see if I can figure out the basics.
 


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