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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2017, 01:25:33 PM »
I have a number of friends and neighbors who describe themselves as into audio and none of them are dumb enough to fall for any of this stuff.

Some of them have fairly expensive audio gear but usually for a reason. (professional involvement in music is one.)
What some people know about audio equipment is how much they spent and every cent they spend translates into something to brag about.  While this is an 'Emperor's New Clothes" scenario and we see them as buck naked, they differ from the original story in that they will never see the truth because they simply don't want to.
 

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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2017, 01:46:23 PM »
Holy Bullshit Batman
Almost $10k USED!
You don't get it, not used, "burned in". It is got to be way more expensive, you have a bargain here.
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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2017, 02:59:51 PM »
 :D  The last time I saw something like this was in a magazine for US$800.  It was a metal box and included power cable connectors so that your gold-plated audio power cables could be burned in.  And it took only a week of continuous excersize!   ;D
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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2017, 03:14:17 PM »
Dave,

you should invite them to explain their apparatus's theory of operation.
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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2017, 07:47:41 PM »
Dave,

you should invite them to explain their apparatus's theory of operation.

It is clearly explained:
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When cables are manufactured they do not have any directionality. However, as they break in, they acquire directionality.
Although the cable signal is an alternating current, small impurities in the conductor act as diodes allowing signal flow to be better in one direction over time. This effect is also called quantum tunneling, w hich has been observed in experiments over 25 years ago. Regardless of the purity of the metal used, there are still diode effects in all conductors. In addition, the insulation material will change when it is subjected to an electrical field.
See, diodes in the cable and quantum tunneling. Probably also resonance cascade, thermal micro singularities and bos taurus excrement.


 

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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2017, 08:32:52 PM »

Holy Bullshit Batman

Almost $10k USED!


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nordost-Valhalla-2-speaker-cables-4-meter-pair-/263221331798



US $9,499.00

From $442 for 24 months


Valhalla-2-speaker-cables-4-meter-pair, at that -Buy It Now- price (small change/maccas money for serious audiophools)  Thor should deliver and install,

and to sweeten the deal two Valkyries spend a week with the purchaser (male or female) to ensure EVERYTHING is operating correctly
and offer protection from underhanded s*** by Loki or the Enchantress  >:D >:D


Seller information: highperformancestereocom (345 )
100% Positive feedback

It's no brainer  :clap: :-+  unless you have a real listening room and need 8 meters and a bigger cheque book    :o





 

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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2017, 08:41:40 PM »
So let me understand: they sell and promote supreme quantum treated cables capable to transport every single detail of signal (sound) from source to the speakers without any loss. Huge materials, insulations, connectors, plating for a small bandwith of 20-20KHz. Even power cables should be silver quantum treated (while the house mains cabling, up to the power grid, is standard copper).

Now this silly device to do "Burn-in" treatement to the cables.

But in all this attention to details, they don't care or take in consideration that the original sound came out from a guitar or a synth or has been caught by a mic that use internally standard copper wire and has traveled to the mixer thru standard or "unquantum untreated quality" studio cables?

Why the "end-user" cables should be treated while the source not?
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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2017, 08:51:07 PM »
So let me understand: they sell and promote supreme quantum treated cables capable to transport every single detail of signal (sound) from source to the speakers without any loss. Huge materials, insulations, connectors, plating for a small bandwith of 20-20KHz. Even power cables should be silver quantum treated (while the house mains cabling, up to the power grid, is standard copper).

Now this silly device to do "Burn-in" treatement to the cables.

But in all this attention to details, they don't care or take in consideration that the original sound came out from a guitar or a synth or has been caught by a mic that use internally standard copper wire and has traveled to the mixer thru standard or "unquantum untreated quality" studio cables?

Why the "end-user" cables should be treated while the source not?

Apparently the cable compensates for all those shortcomings,

and saves on  recording the performances all over again and re-releasing the product as Audiophile Quality

i.e. Let the discerning customers pay for it   :-*


Seller's Link: How to Install Speaker Cable

www.ebay.com/gds/How-to-Install-Speaker-Cable-/10000000178706037/g.html

Check out the red and white 'speaker connectors' before reading the rest of it



 

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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2017, 09:12:53 PM »
Check out the red and white 'speaker connectors' before reading the rest of it
;D ;D
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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2017, 09:34:04 PM »
Those cables are useless without the Actinium cable elevation blocks to keep the cables from touching the ground, otherwise you get seismic microphonic transconductance inertia every time you involuntarily vent due to the relaxing sounds of Sade. How could you idiots not know that?
 

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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2017, 11:01:58 PM »
Those cables are useless without the Actinium cable elevation blocks to keep the cables from touching the ground,

no worries - they have those!!

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I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2017, 11:27:59 PM »
When my bluetooth connection is bad I use BlueTooth Paste. Made it myself and am working on a patent. Also developping a very special BlueToothBrush. Anyone interested?
« Last Edit: October 21, 2017, 11:43:38 PM by Roeland_R »
 
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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2017, 11:41:04 PM »
When my bluetooth connection is bad I use BlueTooth Paste. Made it myself and am working on a patent. Also developping a very special BlueToothBrush. Anyone interested?
Sorry.  Your marketing jargon is quite deficient.  Perhaps it is the language barrier?  Does it fill quantum cavities?  Does it leave the signal minty fresh?  Does it leave the signal squeaky clean?  I need to know these things before investing.  It will take suitable answers to these questions in suitably flowery terms before I part with my hardly earned spit coins.
 
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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #39 on: October 22, 2017, 12:54:38 AM »
For a laugh have a very close look at the legs of the LEDs down the middle of the gold connectors.
Nope, those are specifically bended legs to be harmonically tuned with alpha centauri resonance.
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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #40 on: October 22, 2017, 01:18:53 AM »
Audio speaker cables should be run as straight as possible. They should be placed across the earths magnetic field not aligned with the field so as not to cause back EMF as current flows to and from the speakers.
 

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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #41 on: October 22, 2017, 02:04:11 AM »
Another one...

this one it's cheaper, starting from 999$

https://www.thecablecooker.com/

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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #42 on: October 22, 2017, 02:08:03 AM »
This is some shitty layout.

That's what I was thinking.  Looks like Eagle autoroute that hasn't even been tidied up.  Also, why socket the IC's and resistor networks? Sure I used to do it for TH projects so I could re-purpose the devices, but why?
 

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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2017, 02:39:21 AM »
I was most surprised by the amount of decoupling capacitors on the board. :scared:

Although.. maybe I am expecting too much.. like as if it matters that the device is 'functional'.
 

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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2017, 04:13:20 AM »
At http://www.sonicflare.com/archives/acoustic-zen-adagio-jr-followup-w-dk.php they say that

the Nordost cable burner flashes like a disco when it's on

It has many blinking lights, so it works. Right?
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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2017, 04:32:02 AM »
Just in theme of break-in/burn-in, I found this interesting tech-article about testing speakers before and after burn-in and comparing the results.

http://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/speaker-break-in-fact-or-fiction

The are no differences in impedence and frequency response, the only change was in SPL (1dB) and is inegible.

Speakers are electomecanichal devices and there is more "low level" physics involved in them (speaker suspension modifications due to stress, glue used in the box, screws etc), so if there is no change in audio in them after the break-in, how one can even believe to change something in a cable?

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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2017, 05:03:35 AM »
hey dont blame the manufacturer. when there are customers there will be the market. at least this market will make those fat arses in new greenwich work much harder.
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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2017, 07:51:46 AM »
I found a High res photo here:
http://nordost.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Vidar.jpg

You can see that most of the chips are just 74HC, (including one that's marked 74HC04) the 'orange' chips are just 220R resistor packs.  I wonder how the guys like having all that digital next to their precious analogue cables.

 

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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2017, 07:55:23 AM »
hey dont blame the manufacturer. when there are customers there will be the market.
I disagree. This kind of bullshit is dramatically similar to homeopathy and false cancer cures; they exploit the ignorance of people that become victims.
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Re: I wonder what effectively does this audiophool "cable burn-in device"...
« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2017, 08:05:36 AM »
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"When cables are first put into use, their directionality is not securely established. However, once the Vidar begins running current through the cables, the trapped gases are dissipated and small impurities in the conductor’s metal begin to act like a diode, favoring current flow in a particular direction. By using extremely wide bandwidth signal as well as a range of both ultra-low and high frequency sweeps, the Vidar stresses the conductors, neutralizes charges, improves the way that signals pass through metal and  ultrasonically conditions the surface of the conductors. It is these changes in both the conductor and insulation material that refines performance in audio cables."

Rats   :bullshit: :-BROKE

I forgot to fit my bullshit meter with its 50000dB input attenuator so this just turned it into a smoking heap as soon as I navigated to the page - despite being in a completely separate room.

The idea that anyone would believe this crap leaves me at a loss for words.
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