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NASA Electronics Build Workmanship and Quality Standards
« on: August 28, 2014, 08:50:44 pm »
Came across this interesting info.   Its NASA standards for building electronics.   Lots of great pictures on soldering standards etc.  even for SMT work.   Its worth a look see.

http://workmanship.nasa.gov/lib/insp/2%20books/frameset.html
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Re: NASA Electronics Build Workmanship and Quality Standards
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2014, 10:45:37 pm »
Yep, that's the stuff.
Did a 6 week intensive training course on that stuff at Davis-Monthan in Tucson, Az. a few years back.  Got 2M/CCR certified.
Definitely not for anyone with shaky hands or no patience.  It all looks fairly simple and doable in the pictures, but when you get down to actually performing the tasks, they're a big PITA to accomplish to 100% of the standards described in that (and other) documents.
I didn't take it apart.
I turned it on.

The only stupid question is, well, most of them...

Save a fuse...Blow an electrician.
 

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Re: NASA Electronics Build Workmanship and Quality Standards
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2014, 11:34:43 pm »
Came across this interesting info.   Its NASA standards for building electronics.   Lots of great pictures on soldering standards etc.  even for SMT work.   Its worth a look see.

http://workmanship.nasa.gov/lib/insp/2%20books/frameset.html

Cool, interesting to look through. One of them did throw me off, though:

"Part leads shall not be used as terminals, except when the part lead is used as a terminal."

It's like "Don't do X, unless you do X" ?
 

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Re: NASA Electronics Build Workmanship and Quality Standards
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2014, 12:25:01 am »
Yep, that's the stuff.
Did a 6 week intensive training course on that stuff at Davis-Monthan in Tucson, Az. a few years back.  Got 2M/CCR certified.
Definitely not for anyone with shaky hands or no patience.  It all looks fairly simple and doable in the pictures, but when you get down to actually performing the tasks, they're a big PITA to accomplish to 100% of the standards described in that (and other) documents.

Does it require fancy equipment or is it mostly a matter of skills?
 

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Re: NASA Electronics Build Workmanship and Quality Standards
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2014, 03:37:27 am »
Ohhhh man this is some drool-worthy stuff! Wish they had a whole PDF and not just per-section PDFs though!

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Re: NASA Electronics Build Workmanship and Quality Standards
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2014, 03:55:03 am »
When I did my electronics training in the RAAF, the soldering part of the course was to a NASA standard -'High Reliability, Hand Soldering'
Not sure if the instructors were certified but it was a tough course.
I doubt I could manage  it these days.
 

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Re: NASA Electronics Build Workmanship and Quality Standards
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2014, 03:56:13 am »
Fancy brand new equipment sure was a nice change while I was in that class :)
It's more "clean" rather than fancy that gets the job done right.
A decent temperature controlled soldering iron, with good heat capacity, using the right tip for the job, clean solder on clean parts.  Those are the main tickets to good soldering.
Even if you've got shaky hands, if you've got good heat with clean parts and materials, the solder will only flow where it can flow and needs to flow, and if you feed in the right amount of solder, you'll get a good joint.  Period.
At this school (and in the shop I used to run), we had PACE PRC-2000 stations with practically every tip imaginable...and I can imagine quite a few tips.  Along with that, an almost unlimited supply of "Kim-Wipes", fresh lab quality iso-alcohol, fresh RMA flux, q-tips, a decent set of various dental tools, Meiji microscopes, and the list goes on.
None of that stuff matters without clean equipment and parts.
Even now, some 3+ years after I've retired from the USAF, I still try to hold myself to those standards in my own work.

As for my soldering type equipment...
Weller WESD51 soldering iron station with a handful of various tips
"insert brand name here"  858D hot air gun
ZD-985 de-soldering tool
A bin full of various dental tools.  Brand new, they're all expensive.  I go to a couple of local dentists once in awhile and ask them if I can look through (and take some of) their 'broken' dental tools.  One time I paid the guy $20 for a handful of broken stuff.  Most of those tools are have tips on both ends.  One tip breaks, the whole tool is broke for them...not for me.
A few quarts of fresh lab quality iso-alcohol along with a bunch of lint-free wipes and q-tips (cotton swabs) for cleaning.
Fresh flux.  I only keep a pint or so on hand.  That way I have to order new stuff once in awhile...keep it fresh.
Cheap $30 USB 'microscope' for inspection.  Gonna upgrade that sooner or later with something like Dave's MANTIS scope.
Good light source.  I prefer a bunch of incandescent lights with reflectors.  LEDs and Fluorescent lights aren't the right 'color' for my tastes.
All in all, maybe $300 of equipment/material for a decent hobbyist bench.
Can you get away with less?  Sure.  Just keep it clean.
Want to spend more?  Sure.  Spent $100K on equipment.  But if it isn't clean, a $50K soldering station won't make up the difference.
I didn't take it apart.
I turned it on.

The only stupid question is, well, most of them...

Save a fuse...Blow an electrician.
 

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Re: NASA Electronics Build Workmanship and Quality Standards
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2014, 03:58:00 am »
When I did my electronics training in the RAAF, the soldering part of the course was to a NASA standard -'High Reliability, Hand Soldering'
Not sure if the instructors were certified but it was a tough course.
I doubt I could manage  it these days.
No kidding right!
I had to do yearly re-cert's up until a couple of years ago.  The class was hard enough, but at least you had an instructor there to show you the errors of your way.
The recertifications were totally self-paced and they gave you a week to do it all.  Zero instructor assists.  100% pass or nothing.
I didn't take it apart.
I turned it on.

The only stupid question is, well, most of them...

Save a fuse...Blow an electrician.
 

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Re: NASA Electronics Build Workmanship and Quality Standards
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2014, 05:37:47 am »
Bookmarked for future reference!
Charles Alexanian
Alex-Tronix Control Systems
 

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Re: NASA Electronics Build Workmanship and Quality Standards
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2014, 01:47:35 pm »
Yep its a brilliant reference, found it about a year ago myself.
 

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Re: NASA Electronics Build Workmanship and Quality Standards
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2014, 01:49:08 pm »
Cool, interesting to look through. One of them did throw me off, though:

"Part leads shall not be used as terminals, except when the part lead is used as a terminal."

It's like "Don't do X, unless you do X" ?

Maybe it means, "Don't do X, unless it is intended by the part to do X."
 

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Re: NASA Electronics Build Workmanship and Quality Standards
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2014, 02:48:24 pm »
The wording in Section 6.01 of the document seems to clarify the situation...

UNACCEPTABLE
PART LEADS USED AS TERMINALS

Part leads shall not be used as terminals, unless the part lead is designed to function as a terminal.

NASA-STD-8739.3 [13.6.2.a.18]
 

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Re: NASA Electronics Build Workmanship and Quality Standards
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2014, 03:45:36 pm »
When I did my electronics training in the RAAF, the soldering part of the course was to a NASA standard -'High Reliability, Hand Soldering'
Not sure if the instructors were certified but it was a tough course.
I doubt I could manage  it these days.
Same here in the USAF. It was a post-tech-school two-week course. It was called "NASA/mil-spec soldering." Some items used not typically used in hobby soldering:





Also went to a two-week fiber optics course.
 

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Re: NASA Electronics Build Workmanship and Quality Standards
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2014, 02:28:10 am »
Same here in the USAF. It was a post-tech-school two-week course. It was called "NASA/mil-spec soldering."
Neat....  I did that class too back in '88 as a 1 striper.  Barely got into a routine working the flight line and got sent over there.
Never did get to do the fiber course though...
I didn't take it apart.
I turned it on.

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Save a fuse...Blow an electrician.
 

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Re: NASA Electronics Build Workmanship and Quality Standards
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2014, 04:22:56 am »
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"It's like "Don't do X, unless you do X" ?"
Reminds me of the "NO STEP" placards on top of the aircraft wings at the overwing exits,
it's like "don't step here unless you have to step here"
 

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Re: NASA Electronics Build Workmanship and Quality Standards
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2014, 07:24:53 am »
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"It's like "Don't do X, unless you do X" ?"
Reminds me of the "NO STEP" placards on top of the aircraft wings at the overwing exits,
it's like "don't step here unless you have to step here"

Well, if the overwing doors are opened, I think avoiding damage to the skin of the aircraft is no longer a priority... those signs are for routine maintenance personnel, not escaping passengers.
 

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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2014, 08:21:49 am »
For those who want their own offline reference, I've combined all the sections into a single PDF file which is available at: https://db.tt/CAlbiGms

Please download the file as I can't guarantee that I'll keep it in my Dropbox indefinitely. I didn't have time to build an index for it. Also be aware that the file is 282MB in size. This is deliberate in order to preserve the original resolution of the photos. I haven't applied any security to the file so you can compress it using Adobe Acrobat if required.

Enjoy :-)
 

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Re: NASA Electronics Build Workmanship and Quality Standards
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2014, 12:18:18 pm »
Some items used not typically used in hobby soldering:


Got a used TW-1 on eBay. Works great with Teflon wires.

BTW, Teledyne had great service and spare parts availability.
 

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Re: NASA Electronics Build Workmanship and Quality Standards
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2014, 01:11:08 pm »
Keep in mind that these standards are for equipment whose failure may mean loss of life and substantial damage. On regular consumer electronics, such high standards would not be necessary and applying them would be extreme overkill.
 

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Re: NASA Electronics Build Workmanship and Quality Standards
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2014, 04:06:36 pm »
No Step is for service use, used on things like thin sections and moving parts that may be damaged by point loads instead of regular aerodynamic loading. Also placed on access panel openings as these are often thinner than the surrounding skin and have a double layer of reinforcing to spread the load around them, but are weak in torsion.

To work on aircraft you get special non marking soft soled shoes that you wear on the flight line so that you do not mark or damage the skin with hard soled rubber footwear, along with the soft soles being more resistant to softening if they get wetted with fuel or hydraulic fluid. Bad thing is they are very slippery on wet surfaces, so you tend to be careful on wet floors, as you can take a nasty fall.

I used to get 2 pair a year, and as I was Instrumentation I had an exemption on polishing them, after somebody had a nasty incident involving freshly polished shoes and LOX. My cleaning regime involved regular application of matt black instrument panel spray paint to keep them looking good on inspection after a light going over with a scotchbrite pad.

Note that in the safety instructions on any flight you will find that all women must remove high heel shoes before using the emergency exit slides or the overwing exits. Those shoes do damage to aircraft flooring even through the carpeting, as you can always see the walkways from underneath just from the dimples caused by high heels deforming the aluminium skin from the point load. That is why most flight attendants wear low heels, for the comfort and so that they can get out in training with dignity.
 


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