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From left to right, how do you like your binding posts?

positive-negative-ground
25 (43.9%)
negative-positive-ground
2 (3.5%)
positive-ground-negative
6 (10.5%)
negative-ground-positive
9 (15.8%)
ground-positive-negative
1 (1.8%)
ground-negative-positive
11 (19.3%)
don't care
3 (5.3%)

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Offline rmkilcTopic starter

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Preferred order of binding posts?
« on: February 23, 2017, 05:23:02 pm »
I am building a lab power supply and trying to decide what order I should put the binding posts. If ground is in the middle, this allows the use of a shorting link to short ground to positive or to negative. But this does not allow the use of dual banana plug adapters. If positive and negative are together, dual banana plug adapters can be used. Of all the lab power supplies I have seen, there doesn't seem to be an industry standard order. What do you prefer and why?
 

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Re: Preferred order of binding posts?
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2017, 05:48:12 pm »
I would prefer PE - neg - pos. So you can use a standard link from PE to the negative side (which is the more common case) and can use the banana to BNC adapter.

Another option would be a symmetric triangle with the ground above or below.
 

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Re: Preferred order of binding posts?
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2017, 05:49:57 pm »
Another option would be a symmetric triangle with the ground above or below.


Haha I did think of the triangle idea but have never seen it done before.
 

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Re: Preferred order of binding posts?
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2017, 06:14:55 pm »
I've seen the triangle done, and like that best. Otherwise, positive on the right.
 

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Re: Preferred order of binding posts?
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2017, 07:18:00 pm »
The triangular layout isn't prevalent, but it does show up on occasion. Here are some examples.
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Re: Preferred order of binding posts?
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2017, 08:32:33 pm »
If you don't have vertical room for the triangle, but have enough horizontal room, then what about a (redundant) ground on both sides

ground negative positive ground

Then you can use a shorting bar on either side, but still use a dual banana plug

 

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Re: Preferred order of binding posts?
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2017, 05:52:01 am »
Using a triangle neatly solves the problem and I have seen power supplies designed this way however ...

Floating dual tracking power supplies actually have 4 connections: positive, negative, common, and ground.  My Tektronix PS503s have the floating outputs in line with common in the center so with a fixed width banana plug, I am limited to 20 volts.  Maybe next time I rebuild them, I will swap the binding posts around so I have 20 or 40 volts available.
 

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Re: Preferred order of binding posts?
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2017, 03:58:46 pm »
Diamond layout?

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Re: Preferred order of binding posts?
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2017, 05:50:31 pm »
Or maybe relay to make connection internally that could be also MCU controlled?

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Re: Preferred order of binding posts?
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2017, 05:56:39 pm »

Floating dual tracking power supplies actually have 4 connections: positive, negative, common, and ground.  My Tektronix PS503s have the floating outputs in line with common in the center so with a fixed width banana plug, I am limited to 20 volts.  Maybe next time I rebuild them, I will swap the binding posts around so I have 20 or 40 volts available.


In your example, aren't negative and common the same thing? I assume you are talking about dual floating outputs that share a common negative.
 

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Re: Preferred order of binding posts?
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2017, 06:28:05 pm »
Floating dual tracking power supplies actually have 4 connections: positive, negative, common, and ground.  My Tektronix PS503s have the floating outputs in line with common in the center so with a fixed width banana plug, I am limited to 20 volts.  Maybe next time I rebuild them, I will swap the binding posts around so I have 20 or 40 volts available.

In your example, aren't negative and common the same thing? I assume you are talking about dual floating outputs that share a common negative.

Why would negative and common be the same thing?  I am talking about dual floating outputs which share a common; one output is negative and one output is positive with respect to common.  And since the outputs are floating, any (or none) of the three terminals may be connected to ground as the user requires to produce a 0 to -20/-40 volt, a 0 to +20/+40 volt, or 0 to +/-20 volt supply.  Usually ground is left disconnected preventing another ground loop but it is there if necessary.

The last configuration is especially useful for powering analog circuits which require +/- supplies but can be referenced to anything so general purpose operational amplifiers can be used in low or high side circuits without limitations.  The output voltages can be independent or track with any ratio.

 
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Re: Preferred order of binding posts?
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2017, 09:53:17 pm »
So after all that, this is what I ended up going with.  ^-^

 

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Re: Preferred order of binding posts?
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2017, 09:58:13 pm »
Hehe. Thanks for the update!
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