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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #275 on: February 06, 2016, 09:40:52 AM »
Besides wasting money on something that isn't feasible, I can't help cringe thinking about what a poor example she's setting for women in tech.

She claims to support women in tech, but last I checked, not a single female engineer employed at Ubeam.
Maybe they're too smart to want to work on a hopeless cause
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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #276 on: February 06, 2016, 09:41:11 AM »
Ugh, I just saw her "respond to criticism" with a ridiculous explanation of her technology:



Besides wasting money on something that isn't feasible, I can't help cringe thinking about what a poor example she's setting for women in tech.

With a performance like that I can just see how she managed to raise $23.2m from a VC who takes due diligence so seriously. I am sooo in the wrong job.
 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #277 on: February 06, 2016, 09:48:25 AM »
She claims to support women in tech, but last I checked, not a single female engineer employed at Ubeam.
Maybe they're too smart to want to work on a hopeless cause

There are (for whatever reason) less women in tech, so odds of finding one gullible enough to work on Ubeam is much lower than male engineers I guess.
But maybe they are just less gullible and smarter in general. They watched her TED Talk and went NOPE.
 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #278 on: February 06, 2016, 10:04:53 AM »
I have not read the whole post and probably my rant have been discussed before: Why is this people proceed with this kind of projects

This will explain everything, here is the founder and "technology innovator"  ::)
TRIGGER WARNING: This video may cause engineers to go postal, or kill a puppy or something
Hey, they are using it for weapons! Lets commercialize it, and give it to people so they can charge their stupid phones. I like the way she described, how she became completely ignorant to reality. And people kept telling her: bad idea, dont do it, jet, she thinks somehow managed to find the holy grail of technology.
You know, I will not feel bad for her, when she gets the boot after the money runs out. Or even worse, when the first lawsuits of injured people will come. Because she kept repeatedly, time after time insulting us professionals, just in ten minutes.
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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #279 on: February 06, 2016, 10:25:14 AM »
TRIGGER WARNING: This video may cause engineers to go postal, or kill a puppy or something

Thanks for that. These videos do make me want to scream. And yet, I'm drawn to them because .... I dunno. I have to figure out how the hell she has gotten to this place. It isn't "stupidity" for sure, and if it is pure "fraud," she certainly seems to believe it herself, unless she is a fantastic actor.

My current theory is that it is a toxic mix of willful ignorance combined with innumeracy. Yes, wireless power is everywhere, and sound is fine .... but about numbers: some are very big and some are very small, and numbers cannot be arbitrarily substituted for one another. Are light and sound perfectly safe and non-carcinogenic? I know some will be surprised to hear ... it depends! Gee!

As for role models for young women, yes, I want to see more videos from thoughtful female engineers and scientists, particularly those who are not pitching.


 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #280 on: February 06, 2016, 10:39:36 AM »
Thanks for that. These videos do make me want to scream. And yet, I'm drawn to them because .... I dunno. I have to figure out how the hell she has gotten to this place. It isn't "stupidity" for sure, and if it is pure "fraud," she certainly seems to believe it herself, unless she is a fantastic actor.

She in't acting, she really does believe it will work, she is a true believer. She's also passionate about it, enthusiastic, and assertive.
There was also some early luck in big media exposure.
Combine that with people who want to believe, VC's who are desperately looking for Unicorns, and bingo, there you have it, $22M in funding.
The funding wouldn't have happened if she was shy and timid.

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Yes, unfortunately in this case Meredith was pitching, well, Meredith.
 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #281 on: February 08, 2016, 03:53:15 PM »
It seems that Ms Perry was/is being sued by her former co-founder:
http://www.paed.uscourts.gov/documents/opinions/12d0733p.pdf
 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #282 on: February 08, 2016, 05:34:24 PM »
I think they settled a year or two ago.
I think Dweck may have dodged a bullet there!


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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #283 on: February 08, 2016, 05:41:38 PM »
I wonder what the issue was exactly, from the PDF it seems like Dweck resigned from uBeam:

On June 6, 2011, Dweck told Perry that she had decided to resign to accept a job in Los Angeles, California.

Maybe she still owned a percentage of the business?
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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #284 on: February 08, 2016, 05:46:14 PM »
Hmm, I just noticed this press release on her Twitter*: https://twitter.com/meredithperry:

http://labusinessjournal.com/news/2016/feb/04/ubeam-hires-two-ultrasound-veterans/

Interesting to see that uBeam denied all their requests for an interview... not hiding anything there eh?

Also this meeting between O'Donnell and Perry sounds pretty interesting:

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O’Donnell said he decided to become involved with uBeam after meeting with Perry at the company’s headquarters for a day.

I'm guessing she just pointed to a big stack of VC money and O'Donnell thought of all the nice things he could buy with it. It's nice that Perry overlooked the fact he's a filthy ENGINEER and is allowing him to screw up her baby with all his logic and thinking ;D

*Note: I don't recommend reading her tweets unless you want to listen to the self-glorifying verbal diarrhea of a 20-something hambeast**

** I don't mean this in a purely derogatory sense --  I probably would say "meatball" but hambeast sounds better.
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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #285 on: February 08, 2016, 10:46:36 PM »
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Perry told the Business Journal in September that uBeam would have a wireless charging product to market by this year backed by “massive multi-million (unit) production.”

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Matt O’Donnell, now chairman of uBeam’s technical advisor board. In the article, O’Donnell said:
"There is multiplicative risk in getting all of this together to work, but it may be possible."

Shipping millions of something that "may be possible" :-DD


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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #286 on: February 08, 2016, 11:38:31 PM »
Interesting to see that uBeam denied all their requests for an interview... not hiding anything there eh?

Of course not. They'll only talk to their vested buddies at Tech Crunch, other people are annoying and ask hard questions  ::)
 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #287 on: February 20, 2016, 03:48:23 PM »
Check this out:
http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2016/02/15/so-what-is-the-right-level-of-burn-rate-for-a-startup-these-days/

Mark Suster who funded uBeam to the tune of $10M, odds are he's talking about uBeam here:
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If on the other hand we have committed $10 million and if you don’t have 3 other investors around the table and if you’re burning $800k / month (implying you need $10 million more to fund one-year’s operations or nearly $15 million to fund 18 months) – we’re simply “over our skis” in order to help you because we wouldn’t put $25 million in one company at our size fund. So even if we LOVE your business you are stretching our ability to fund you in tough times.

He invested $7.5M, the "biggest cheque he's ever written", and $800k/month churn rate sounds about right for a company the size of uBeam.
Obviously using uBeam as a case example here even though he's not saying it. And he says "It’s a very personal topic "

And rumour has it they aren't showing real hardware demo's to anyone, even under NDA. Glad I didn't take Perry up on her offer of a tour, that would have been a waste of a 24,000km trip
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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #288 on: February 20, 2016, 04:40:03 PM »
Like the names for the little lessons to learn
"Tragedy of the Commons", "Pottery-Barn Rule", "free rider problem" and "in over our skis"
but I didn't see in Mr Suster's list any mention of "make sure the technology isn't bullshit". I now implore him to put that item in.

I think my grandfather had a better system for picking winners at the dog racing than this guy has at picking viable companies.
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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #289 on: February 20, 2016, 05:49:47 PM »
And rumour has it they aren't showing real hardware demo's to anyone, even under NDA. Glad I didn't take Perry up on her offer of a tour, that would have been a waste of a 24,000km trip

Shoulda sent Dave #2 aka David :)

BTW: Rumor around my apartment is she just makes you watch while she eats an entire ham (after signing an NDA).
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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #290 on: February 20, 2016, 11:57:46 PM »

And rumour has it they aren't showing real hardware demo's to anyone, even under NDA. Glad I didn't take Perry up on her offer of a tour, that would have been a waste of a 24,000km trip

Shoulda sent Dave #2 aka David :)

BTW: Rumor around my apartment is she just makes you watch while she eats an entire ham (after signing an NDA).

Hey, don't knock it. Some guys will pay a kingly sum to fap it to a plus sized beauty eating an entire ham. An entire ham.
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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #291 on: February 21, 2016, 07:59:26 AM »
Yes, "hamming" is taking America by storm!

I didn't actually mean anything against her directly, I was going for the absurdity of signing an NDA, having your top technical people arrive at their headquarters and being led into a room where there is something covered by a sheet on a table. Perry arrives and gives a 15 minute speech about how awesome she is and then the moment of truth... the sheet is whipped away and it's.... a ham? The doors lock and everyone looks around nervously as Perry takes the ham with both hands and takes a large bite. She continues to talk about their technical advances but no one can anything over the sound of ham! "I ache with embarrassment" says one of the Japanese backers. "I wonder if that's honey ham" says one of your finest EEs. After nearly an hour of hamming someone speaks up "Uh, is that all? We were expecting to see a prototype...". Perry throws the ham bone at the group and they turn to run. "Make a prototype outta that!" she yells while smacking on the last of the ham.

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #292 on: February 22, 2016, 10:09:40 AM »
Check this out:
http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2016/02/15/so-what-is-the-right-level-of-burn-rate-for-a-startup-these-days/

Mark Suster who funded uBeam to the tune of $10M, odds are he's talking about uBeam here:
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If on the other hand we have committed $10 million and if you don’t have 3 other investors around the table and if you’re burning $800k / month (implying you need $10 million more to fund one-year’s operations or nearly $15 million to fund 18 months) – we’re simply “over our skis” in order to help you because we wouldn’t put $25 million in one company at our size fund. So even if we LOVE your business you are stretching our ability to fund you in tough times.

He invested $7.5M, the "biggest cheque he's ever written", and $800k/month churn rate sounds about right for a company the size of uBeam.
Obviously using uBeam as a case example here even though he's not saying it. And he says "It’s a very personal topic "

And rumour has it they aren't showing real hardware demo's to anyone, even under NDA. Glad I didn't take Perry up on her offer of a tour, that would have been a waste of a 24,000km trip

$800k/mo seems pretty outrageous to me. That would be at least 50 well paid engineers plus bennies and overhead. Obvious there are some hardware costs in there, but that really smells fishy to me. I'm not saying this is going on a uBeam, but it's not unheard of for the "other people's money" being spent to boomerang back into the execs' pockets in the form of owning the property being leased, making loans to the company at high interest rates, etc.  That just seems like a metric shit ton of cash flowing with nothing to show for it.
 

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The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #293 on: February 22, 2016, 11:08:08 AM »
Check this out:
http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2016/02/15/so-what-is-the-right-level-of-burn-rate-for-a-startup-these-days/

Mark Suster who funded uBeam to the tune of $10M, odds are he's talking about uBeam here:
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If on the other hand we have committed $10 million and if you don’t have 3 other investors around the table and if you’re burning $800k / month (implying you need $10 million more to fund one-year’s operations or nearly $15 million to fund 18 months) – we’re simply “over our skis” in order to help you because we wouldn’t put $25 million in one company at our size fund. So even if we LOVE your business you are stretching our ability to fund you in tough times.

He invested $7.5M, the "biggest cheque he's ever written", and $800k/month churn rate sounds about right for a company the size of uBeam.
Obviously using uBeam as a case example here even though he's not saying it. And he says "It’s a very personal topic "

And rumour has it they aren't showing real hardware demo's to anyone, even under NDA. Glad I didn't take Perry up on her offer of a tour, that would have been a waste of a 24,000km trip

$800k/mo seems pretty outrageous to me. That would be at least 50 well paid engineers plus bennies and overhead. Obvious there are some hardware costs in there, but that really smells fishy to me. I'm not saying this is going on a uBeam, but it's not unheard of for the "other people's money" being spent to boomerang back into the execs' pockets in the form of owning the property being leased, making loans to the company at high interest rates, etc.  That just seems like a metric shit ton of cash flowing with nothing to show for it.

I know where the money is going!

A former executive from Smithfield Foods told me that Meredith Perry is attempting a hostile takeover of the company. She plans on renovating the smoke house so she can live there. Apparently she wants a conveyer belt installed so all the hams produced go directly into her mouth.

(I used to live in Smithfield, VA (Ham Capitol of the World) and on days when the wind was jussst right, you could smell smoked ham. On days the wind was wrong, you'd smell the pig trucks, which was about as bad as you'd imagine.)
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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #294 on: February 22, 2016, 11:18:55 AM »
$800k/mo seems pretty outrageous to me. That would be at least 50 well paid engineers plus bennies and overhead. Obvious there are some hardware costs in there, but that really smells fishy to me.

According to LinkedIn they have 24 employees:
https://www.linkedin.com/vsearch/p?f_CC=3038762&trk=extra_biz_employees_deg_connected
So maybe double that as everyone is not on Linkedin, or bother to update.

Also, it seems they have a production clean room and all the latest toys. Just their production setup alone would cost a lot, they are making their own transducers apparently.

I have no doubt the facilities and tech would be very impressive if you visited, which is almost certainly the reason Perry invited me (apart from fire fighting and pre-empting my announcement I was thinking about doing a video on it).
 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #295 on: February 22, 2016, 11:22:50 AM »
I think they settled a year or two ago.
I think Dweck may have dodged a bullet there!

I heard she got a sizeable chunk of the company.
 

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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #296 on: February 22, 2016, 04:40:56 PM »
$800k/mo seems pretty outrageous to me. That would be at least 50 well paid engineers plus bennies and overhead. Obvious there are some hardware costs in there, but that really smells fishy to me.

According to LinkedIn they have 24 employees:
https://www.linkedin.com/vsearch/p?f_CC=3038762&trk=extra_biz_employees_deg_connected
So maybe double that as everyone is not on Linkedin, or bother to update.

Also, it seems they have a production clean room and all the latest toys. Just their production setup alone would cost a lot, they are making their own transducers apparently.

I have no doubt the facilities and tech would be very impressive if you visited, which is almost certainly the reason Perry invited me (apart from fire fighting and pre-empting my announcement I was thinking about doing a video on it).

I'm certainly cynical about these types of companies, but every picture I've seen is of a lab with gear that's either on par or inferior to what I have in my personal lab.  If I had a high end facility and was dying for cash, I'd showcase the facility.

As for building one's own tranducers, thats just a total headscratcher. Maybe there's an IP issue that drove the decision, but ultrasonics is a technology that's at least seven decades old and well into maturity. So, inventing their own production techniques really strikes me as odd. Typically that's what one has to do after everyone that knows what they're doing tells you to FO. 

If I visited, maybe I would find the production equipment (if it exists, I have my serious doubts) interesting, but I'm not sure about being impressed. I'm more impressed by companies that manage their cash flow toward a self-sustaining future. ;-)
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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #297 on: February 22, 2016, 04:48:27 PM »
As for building one's own tranducers, thats just a total headscratcher. Maybe there's an IP issue that drove the decision, but ultrasonics is a technology that's at least seven decades old and well into maturity. So, inventing their own production techniques really strikes me as odd. Typically that's what one has to do after everyone that knows what they're doing tells you to FO.

Maybe the IP is from the steering side? (i.e.) how to locate the other transducer and blast it with nature's finesttm ultra sonic?
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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #298 on: February 22, 2016, 04:52:53 PM »
(I used to live in Smithfield, VA (Ham Capitol of the World) and on days when the wind was jussst right, you could smell smoked ham. On days the wind was wrong, you'd smell the pig trucks, which was about as bad as you'd imagine.)

The real danger here is SALTY HAMS



Although there is the ham of truth!:




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Re: The uBeam FAQ
« Reply #299 on: March 06, 2016, 08:08:48 PM »
Meredith tweeted this the other day and them promptly deleted, presumably after someone tapped her on the shoulder and said that's probably not a good idea.
A photo of their first ASIC.
What does that mean? Well it obviously means that they were not close to production if this is their first ever ASIC. It's not even packaged yet, just hot off the wafer line.
And it shows were the money has been going too, ASIC's aren't cheap.
Also, what ASIC is it? The transmitter? The receiver?
It also shows how much further they have to do before actual production.

And of course, more classic Meredith - "Keeping silicon relevant in the valley" as if no one else is doing it  ::)

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