Author Topic: possible to repair 0.2 mm spacing flat flex cable?  (Read 9434 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline SArepairmanTopic starter

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 885
  • Country: 00
  • wannabee bit hunter
possible to repair 0.2 mm spacing flat flex cable?
« on: July 30, 2013, 02:56:45 am »
I have a tape drive head with a ripped flat flex cable. It is an expensive drive but the problem is that I would need to repair something along the lines of 100 conductor 0.2 mm spacing flat flex which tore.


I assume this is completely impossible. Its a weird cable assembly (comes off the head in two arcs)
« Last Edit: July 30, 2013, 02:58:39 am by SArepairman »
 

Offline c4757p

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 7799
  • Country: us
  • adieu
Re: possible to repair 0.2 mm spacing flat flex cable?
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2013, 03:04:55 am »
Nothing is impossible if you just believe in yourself!


OK, yeah, it's completely goddamn impossible, about an order of magnitude worse than the also impossible 0.5mm.
No longer active here - try the IRC channel if you just can't be without me :)
 

Offline SArepairmanTopic starter

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 885
  • Country: 00
  • wannabee bit hunter
Re: possible to repair 0.2 mm spacing flat flex cable?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2013, 04:31:57 am »
I was thinking about maybe using some kind of slow cure conductive epoxy under a microscope using a thin wire to apply but I would like to hear a success story before I start buying expensive epoxies
 

Offline amyk

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 8275
Re: possible to repair 0.2 mm spacing flat flex cable?
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2013, 07:16:28 am »
I was thinking about maybe using some kind of slow cure conductive epoxy under a microscope using a thin wire to apply but I would like to hear a success story before I start buying expensive epoxies
Assuming you can sacrifice a bit of length (several mm should be sufficient), cutting a piece of the cable out and inverting it on top could work. Expose the conductors on all 3 mating surfaces and use anisotropic conductive film to glue it all together under a press. You'll definitely need a microscope for alignment.

 

Offline flolic

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 386
  • Country: hr
    • http://filiplolic.com/
Re: possible to repair 0.2 mm spacing flat flex cable?
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2013, 07:46:04 am »
It probably can be done, but it's not easy...


Resistor is 0805, for size comparison.



 

Offline SArepairmanTopic starter

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 885
  • Country: 00
  • wannabee bit hunter
Re: possible to repair 0.2 mm spacing flat flex cable?
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2013, 10:31:09 am »
Hmm. I like the film idea.

If I can do this it would mean a cool 500$ in my pocket so I might give it a try.
 

Offline ablacon64

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 370
  • Country: br
Re: possible to repair 0.2 mm spacing flat flex cable?
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2013, 10:38:35 am »
It probably can be done, but it's not easy...

That was a fine job! Congrats! How did you do it? Maybe scratching the surface where you wanted the solder to bind?
 

Offline flolic

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 386
  • Country: hr
    • http://filiplolic.com/
Re: possible to repair 0.2 mm spacing flat flex cable?
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2013, 11:04:03 am »
Yes, you need to scratch protective coating from the ends to expose copper tracks. And then "just" solder two ends of flex cable together with the help of flux. But most important thing is to precisely adjust the ends, and to fix them with the Kapton tape while soldering.
After soldering everything must be carefully taped over with the Kapton tape to give mechanical strength.
 

Offline ablacon64

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 370
  • Country: br
Re: possible to repair 0.2 mm spacing flat flex cable?
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2013, 11:25:39 am »
Very interesting, I have an iphone 4 LCD with a broken touch cable, I'll see what I can do. That image was inspiring, thank you! :)
 

Offline robrenz

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 3035
  • Country: us
  • Real Machinist, Wannabe EE
Re: possible to repair 0.2 mm spacing flat flex cable?
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2013, 11:48:52 am »
Very nice job flolic :-+  My only suggestion IF the joint is actually going to flex, is to expose the copper for a short distance on opposite sides of the film and then overlap the joint a small amount (forming a lap joint instead of a butt joint). Tin both sides and then reflow it together.  Then use kapton tape to even the lap joint on both sides then a kapton strip over both sides of the actual joint. The butt joint is only a solder bridge and the solder may fatigue over time and become open or intermittent.

Offline brainwash

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 463
  • Country: de
    • Hack Correlation
Re: possible to repair 0.2 mm spacing flat flex cable?
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2013, 02:00:51 pm »
I would be interested if something like this can be accomplished with FFC containing carbon-based tracks.
I tried to do that same thing once but any temperature on the iron that was able to melt the solder was also melting the substrate as well. Conductive silver paint might be better but not sure how well would that be modeled on 0.2mm.
 

Offline krivx

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 765
  • Country: ie
Re: possible to repair 0.2 mm spacing flat flex cable?
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2013, 02:23:48 pm »
Is replacing the flex an option? Itead now do flex pcbs in small quantities...
 

Offline SArepairmanTopic starter

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 885
  • Country: 00
  • wannabee bit hunter
Re: possible to repair 0.2 mm spacing flat flex cable?
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2013, 07:13:05 pm »
This is a weird cable connected to weird connectors (it has like 100 pins in a connector that's like 1 inch by 3mm. I don't think I can get that custom made.

Plus soldering it to the head (4 cables total of like 300 pins?) is probobly a night mare in itself.

That is a good idea, to tin and put together.

I will be most impressed with my self if I can do this job.

The picture IS very inspiring btw.  :-+
 

Offline brainwash

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 463
  • Country: de
    • Hack Correlation
Re: possible to repair 0.2 mm spacing flat flex cable?
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2013, 08:16:36 pm »
Can you post a pic?
 

Offline SArepairmanTopic starter

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 885
  • Country: 00
  • wannabee bit hunter
Re: possible to repair 0.2 mm spacing flat flex cable?
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2013, 03:07:30 am »
I would be interested if something like this can be accomplished with FFC containing carbon-based tracks.
I tried to do that same thing once but any temperature on the iron that was able to melt the solder was also melting the substrate as well. Conductive silver paint might be better but not sure how well would that be modeled on 0.2mm.

I will post a picture some time soon.

So I figure tin both, lay them down on microscope glass, align them under microscope, ppress down with another glass and then heat both sides of the glass (while its clamped) so the solder melts and the two pieces fuse, test for continuity with a bee's dick probe then put kapton strain relief.  :scared:

I figure it should come out to 25$ an hour, if its a 500$ unit....  :-DD
Or maybe 250$ an hour if the gods look down upon me....
« Last Edit: July 31, 2013, 03:09:33 am by SArepairman »
 

Offline amyk

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 8275
Re: possible to repair 0.2 mm spacing flat flex cable?
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2013, 10:50:26 am »
I would be interested if something like this can be accomplished with FFC containing carbon-based tracks.
I tried to do that same thing once but any temperature on the iron that was able to melt the solder was also melting the substrate as well. Conductive silver paint might be better but not sure how well would that be modeled on 0.2mm.
Anisotropic conductive film sounds like it'd be ideal for this, since it conducts only in one direction. Rather expensive for a roll of it, although you don't need to use much.
 


Share me

Digg  Facebook  SlashDot  Delicious  Technorati  Twitter  Google  Yahoo
Smf