New Beeprog 2 disappointment

[wraper]

OK, I bought a BeeProg2 and have now noticed that my new universal TSOP48 adapter does not work with it (DIL48/TSOP48 ZIF 18.4mm (ord.no. 70-0065)). What would you advice? Sell that programmer fast and what to buy instead or to buy all adapters needed?

You should not have bought that programmer in the first place!

Get rid of it as fast as possible...

Yep, get rid of it and get one which just works without trying to suck the last money out of you. And the worst part is that it's very hard to justify buying expensive adapter for the IC you may never see. And when you will need it for one off job, you won't have a tool capable programming it.

[sotos]

I have this http://www.elnec.com/en/products/device-programmers/preprom-02alv/
 I will give it away, because of the modules it needs every time and the parallel port that it must have to work. A new replacement costs about 450 euro which I cannot give.
http://www.elnec.com/en/products/universal-programmers/smartprog2/
 
I am thinking to buy this.
 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221092473435?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
any suggestions will help me decide.

[blacksheeplogic]

This sounds like a company wishing to cut its own throat. They must think their customers are stupid ! Customers will likely lose all confidence in the company and move to a different universal programmer platform that does not employ such tactics.

It sounds like the device is being subsidized with the development/marketing expenses spread over the programmer and adapters. Inconvenient, but quite a common practice else where and it's possible that the low cost programmers available are a factor in this decision as they have determined a price point needed in the market.

I have a Conitec GALEP-5D 120 pin programmer and I can chose to build my own adapters (they provided documentation),  buy their's or buy someone else adapters. It's all the same to them because they determined the programmers cost per unit needed to covers there development cost based on expected sales. In other words I had to pay up front for all of it's capabilities  irrespective of what I actually needed.

The cost of my programmer is significantly more that the Beeprog 2 even with the added expense of what ever adapters you need. It's really just a matter of how you want to pay. At the end of the day the costs have to be recovered from somewhere, and it's not a rip off, or that they think the customers are stupid.

If their particular pricing model does not work buy something else, but I think this kind of pricing model will become more common as i's an option where you pay for what you need & use.

[all_repair]

I am thinking to buy this.
 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221092473435?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
any suggestions will help me decide.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-411-minipro-tl866-universal-programmer-review/900/?topicseen

I have given up hope of getting The universal programmer.    The too clever one like Beeprog2 is not guranteed to be around as the customers are not stupid to bite.   And hoping the free update for all new chips for programmer like TL866 is also unfair.  They shall be around as long as new sale keep coming in.  Being a China maker probably enjoy a lower business cost and also a larger market of electronic engineers and SMEs to sell to.  Hopefully that shall keep the programmer active longer.   The small size of TL866 makes it the first one I reach for nowsaday.

[wraper]

It sounds like the device is being subsidized with the development/marketing expenses spread over the programmer and adapters. Inconvenient, but quite a common practice else where and it's possible that the low cost programmers available are a factor in this decision as they have determined a price point needed in the market.

Elnec programmers are not low cost at all, there is nothing to subsidize.

I have a Conitec GALEP-5D 120 pin programmer and I can chose to build my own adapters (they provided documentation),  buy their's or buy someone else adapters. It's all the same to them because they determined the programmers cost per unit needed to covers there development cost based on expected sales. In other words I had to pay up front for all of it's capabilities  irrespective of what I actually needed.

The cost of my programmer is significantly more that the Beeprog 2 even with the added expense of what ever adapters you need. It's really just a matter of how you want to pay. At the end of the day the costs have to be recovered from somewhere, and it's not a rip off, or that they think the customers are stupid.

Your programmer is also much more capable with much more complicated electronics. Also it's has 240 pin drivers, so adapter modules ere completely understandable.

What Elnec does is obfuscating the pinout, so you need tens adapters for ICs in the same package  . It's insane, it is useless as a general purpose programmer when you don't know what you need to program tomorrow. It's just not real to get decent number of adapters.

http://www.elnec.com/products/programming-adapters/
Example:
DIL48/QFN64 ZIF-CS AVR-2   special   70-2327   0 [36]
DIL48/QFN64 ZIF-CS AVR32-1   special   70-1053   1 [36]
DIL48/QFN64 ZIF-CS XMEGA-1   special   70-1155   1 [36]
DIL48/QFN64 ZIF AVR-3   special   70-2613   2 [53]
new converterDIL48/QFN64 ZIF AVR32-2   special   70-2340   1
DIL48/QFN64 ZIF XMEGA-1   special   70-3101   5 [53]

It's freaking 6 adapters for only just one particular kind of package of different AVR MCUs  .
You will sell your house and your wife into slavery too and won't be able to buy even half of those adapters.

[sotos]

It sounds like the device is being subsidized with the development/marketing expenses spread over the programmer and adapters. Inconvenient, but quite a common practice else where and it's possible that the low cost programmers available are a factor in this decision as they have determined a price point needed in the market.

Elnec programmers are not low cost at all, there is nothing to subsidize.

I have a Conitec GALEP-5D 120 pin programmer and I can chose to build my own adapters (they provided documentation),  buy their's or buy someone else adapters. It's all the same to them because they determined the programmers cost per unit needed to covers there development cost based on expected sales. In other words I had to pay up front for all of it's capabilities  irrespective of what I actually needed.

The cost of my programmer is significantly more that the Beeprog 2 even with the added expense of what ever adapters you need. It's really just a matter of how you want to pay. At the end of the day the costs have to be recovered from somewhere, and it's not a rip off, or that they think the customers are stupid.

Your programmer is also much more capable with much more complicated electronics. Also it's has 240 pin drivers, so adapter modules ere completely understandable.

What Elnec does is obfuscating the pinout, so you need tens adapters for ICs in the same package  . It's insane, it is useless as a general purpose programmer when you don't know what you need to program tomorrow. It's just not real to get decent number of adapters.

http://www.elnec.com/products/programming-adapters/
Example:
DIL48/QFN64 ZIF-CS AVR-2   special   70-2327   0 [36]
DIL48/QFN64 ZIF-CS AVR32-1   special   70-1053   1 [36]
DIL48/QFN64 ZIF-CS XMEGA-1   special   70-1155   1 [36]
DIL48/QFN64 ZIF AVR-3   special   70-2613   2 [53]
new converterDIL48/QFN64 ZIF AVR32-2   special   70-2340   1
DIL48/QFN64 ZIF XMEGA-1   special   70-3101   5 [53]

It's freaking 6 adapters for only just one particular kind of package of different AVR MCUs  .
You will sell your house and your wife into slavery too and won't be able to buy even half of those adapters.

Thank you. That’s why I want to sent it away, plus the parallel port it needs.

[HiRam]

Can you tell me which programmer is able to read soldered chips with a test clip (e.g. SOIC "8"). Or reading NAND Chips with a Uni Clip 48? (http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?t=68892). Can you do such things with a GALEP-5D?

[Nukster]

Can you tell me which programmer is able to read soldered chips with a test clip (e.g. SOIC "8"). Or reading NAND Chips with a Uni Clip 48? (http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?t=68892). Can you do such things with a GALEP-5D?

There's almost no support for NAND flash chips with Galep programmers.

[figo]

I've been following this forum for some time now but this is my Seven post.
I was interested in buying a beeprog2 programmer, but from what I'm reading here, there's a lot of disappointment here about the sales policy practiced by the company.
I wonder worth buying this programmer?
Can I use universal support with this programmer?

For example I wanted to read / program a flach nand (K9GAG08U0E) tsop48.
Buying a universal tsop48 dip48 mount can I read / program tsop 32/40/48?

[amyk]

Looked at the adapter prices again. $300+ for a tiny PCB with a socket on it.
Then again, the prices for the sockets alone are somewhat of a ripoff too.

[figo]

So, this tsop48 universal mount does not work on beeprog2? 
It only costs $ 9.29 (approximately).
I do not need a bracket that does 10,000 original readings. 20 or 30 readings are already good. 

[figo]

I have to buy the original?

https://www.elnec.com/en/products/programming-adapters/DIL48_TSOP48_ZIF_18.4mm_NAND-3/?utm_source=sw&utm_medium=search

[figo]

Nobody answers ?     

I'm really thinking about buying a beeprog 2 and wanted to have some more info on it.

By the way, does anyone have one used to sell?   

I am interested ...   

[figo]

Nobody answers ?   

[wraper]

Looked at the adapter prices again. $300+ for a tiny PCB with a socket on it.
Then again, the prices for the sockets alone are somewhat of a ripoff too.

Elnec generally use quiet cheap sockets which can be found on tenfold cheaper Chinese adapters.

Nobody answers ?   

Everything is already told in the old posts. If you want to buy money sucking pain in the ass, then go on. You will need elnec proprietary adapter.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/new-beeprog-2-disappointment/msg397730/#msg397730

[razberik]

Slovak company. That says everything.
(I am Slovak)

[anman]

I'm using for daily work nand programmer PROMAN - enough  http://ali.pub/zdr5b

[janoc]

Slovak company. That says everything.
(I am Slovak)

Um, that is a bit broad brush, mate. Tad unfair, don't ya think? Not to mention what it says about *you* when you labeled everything Slovak as a rip-off. 

 (tiez som zo Slovenska)

[figo]

I'm using for daily work nand programmer PROMAN - enough  http://ali.pub/zdr5b

We are talking about very different programmers. This programmer does not even support flach nand K9GAG08U0E.
They are very different programmers, even in price.
The proman programmer costs just over 100 € supports 5.000 or 6.000 memories? and the Chinese software is not known if it will be updated.
The programmer elnec beeprog 2c costs 1050 € but currently supports 96.000 memories and  every  month  this  number is updated 2 times online.

[wraper]

I'm using for daily work nand programmer PROMAN - enough  http://ali.pub/zdr5b

We are talking about very different programmers. This programmer does not even support flach nand K9GAG08U0E.
They are very different programmers, even in price.
The proman programmer costs just over 100 € supports 5.000 or 6.000 memories? and the Chinese software is not known if it will be updated.
The programmer elnec beeprog 2c costs 1050 € but currently supports 96.000 memories and  every  month  this  number is updated 2 times online.

Yes it does support K9GAG08U0E and many more. This is specialized NAND Flash programmer, so total supported IC count might be less, so what. You won't be able to program anything with elnec anyway, unless buy tons of specialized adapters. For the price of 1-3 adapters you can buy another non NAND programmer which will support the rest of the small eeprom, flash, MCU ICs.

[figo]

Note: After checking, this programmer does not support K9GAG08U0E chip,
Description of supporting it in aliexpress are wrong.

Supported samsung chip list.

Supported Devices:
ProMan NAND programmer can support user-defined model parameters, then theoretically
Support all 8bit NAND chips. If you do not have a template that you want for the program in the following list, you can
Please contact us to confirm we can support this.
Hynix <>
128 Mbits: HY27US08281A
256 Mbits: HY27US08561A
512 Mbits: H27U518S2CTR, HY27US08121A, HY27US08121B
1 Gbits: HY27UF081G2A, HY27UF081G2M, H27U1G8F2BTR, HY27SF081G2M (1.8V)
2 Gbits: HY27UF082G2B, H27U2G8F2CTR
4 Gbits: H27U4G8F2D *
8 Gbits: H27U8G8G5D *, HY27UG08 *
<Samsung>
128 Mbits: K9F2808U0A, K9F2808U0B, K9F2808U0C
256 Mbits: K9F5608U0A, K9F5608U0B, K9F5608U0C, K9F5608U0D
512 Mbits: K9F1208U0A, K9F1208U0B, K9F1208U0C,
1 Gbits: K9F1G08U0A, K9F1G08U0B, KK9F1G08U0C, K9F1G08U0D, K9F1G08U0E
2 Gbits: K9F2G08U0A, K9F2G08U0B, K9F2G08U0C
4 Gbits: K9F4G08U0A, K9F4G08U0B-PCB0, K9F4G08U0C, K9F4G08U0D-SCB0, K9G4G08U0 *
8 Gbits: K9G8G08U0A, K9G8G08U0M, K9K8G08U0A, K9F8G08U0M

[wraper]

OK seems it was listed as supported at the beginning, but then it was dropped because of some issue. You can still get GQ-5X which certainly supports K9GAG08U0E.

[figo]

I want to be clear one thing, I'm not here to advertise this or that brand, but I'm confused that they talk so badly about elnec and beeprog 2, this programmer can not find the sale used anywhere on the Internet . Except I'm Chinese.
If there are so many people who feel cheated by elnec, why do not they sell their programmers and buy other brands? Is it simply because it is currently the best programmer on the market (within its price) and the one who has the best and biggest team to develop software on a daily basis?
Is not it the one with the best technical support and the best after sales service? This is also very important.

The already several months that I look for a beeprog 2 used to buy on the Internet, until now I have not found any ...
Already from other brands encounter many ...

[wraper]

I want to be clear one thing, I'm not here to advertise this or that brand, but I'm confused that they talk so badly about elnec and beeprog 2, this programmer can not find the sale used anywhere on the Internet . Except I'm Chinese.
If there are so many people who feel cheated by elnec, why do not they sell their programmers and buy other brands? Is it simply because it is currently the best programmer on the market (within its price) and the one who has the best and biggest team to develop software on a daily basis?
Is not it the one with the best technical support and the best after sales service? This is also very important.

The already several months that I look for a beeprog 2 used to buy on the Internet, until now I have not found any ...
Already from other brands encounter many ...

For the price of ownership it pretty much sucks. You barely can find ANY used programmer from ANY manufacturer, so lack of them in second hand market is not an indicator of their awesomeness. Also, I guess, you cannot find them online because they do not sell that many of them if they need to screw up their customers on adapters that much.

[wraper]

You can get, for example, Xeltek SuperPro 6100 if going to blow the money elnec costs.
http://www.xeltek.com/resources/competitor-comparison/elnec-beeprog-xeltek-superpro-comparison/

On the other hand, SuperPro6100 models are equipped with 144 pins. There is only one QFP64 or QFP100 socket adapter needed. Each adapter is fully universal for all IC devices of the same package type. So, one Xeltek QFP64 adapter does the job of 70+ Elnec QFP64 adapters (or one adapter plus 70+ pin-conversion PCBs)!