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Offline cs.dkTopic starter

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Ozone generators
« on: June 03, 2017, 08:41:19 am »
I'm looking for a ozone generator. It will primarily be used for car AC systems. I borrow a professional one sometimes that makes 10 g/h - But it's very pricey (~7500 USD).

I'll rather have my own. Just the cost, if i'm dropping it, it gets stolen, or what ever.

I know some ozone generators wear over time. What exactly does wear in them? Are the pricey to maintain?

Any experience with something like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PRO-Commercial-Ozone-Generator-10000mg-10g-Ozonizer-Air-Purifier-Sterilizer-/190787629617?hash=item2c6bd43231:g:C78AAOSw7hRWO1U-
http://bastionshop.eu/en/glowna/34-ozongenerator-ioniesator-16g-oder-24g-ozongerat-air-source-air-purifier.html
 

Offline ralphrmartin

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Re: Ozone generators
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2017, 06:37:12 pm »
You do know that ozone is seriously toxic, I take it? Free radicals and all that... :-[
Perhaps I misunderstood - you mean you will use it to sterilise car a/c systems, not as a component of one... ::)
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Offline cs.dkTopic starter

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Re: Ozone generators
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2017, 07:35:32 pm »
You do know that ozone is seriously toxic, I take it? Free radicals and all that... :-[
Perhaps I misunderstood - you mean you will use it to sterilise car a/c systems, not as a component of one... ::)

Yes,
I know the danger of ozone - I'm a welder by education. ;)

I've had great success with the unit i can borrow. Wet dog smell, cigarettes, etc. - Vacuum the car, and clean the dashboard, seats, etc. Put the unit in the car, let it run for ~1 hour with the cabin fan at max, and recirculation on. After that, open all doors for half an hour, and the car smells like new inside.
 

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Re: Ozone generators
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2017, 07:44:38 pm »
Just use a high ozone producing UV lamp.  They are powered by AC mains and some of them have bases just like an ordinary full sized incandescent light bulb so you can use something like an extension cord / work light with a metal hood and ceramic / metal bulb socket as are common and inexpensive.

The bulbs are fluorescent light bulbs with integrated ballast circuits like normal visible compact fluorescents but they produce hard UV light and lots of ozone for the correct types.  As they are light bulbs they burn out after some hundreds of hours use or whatever depending on the care / handling of them and how many start / stop cycles you put them through.

Many germicidal / UV lamps are specifically designed not to put out a lot of ozone, so you want the type that isn't.
Ozone producing bulbs are also used in household air conditioning systems as well so I suspect you could buy some bulbs / fixtures from an HVAC place.

Some ozone producing bulbs do not include a ballast circuit and they mount more like small linear fluorescent tubes in which case you need a ballast and mount for the tubes. 

But the bulbs are usually inexpensive, i.e. less than $50 US, more like $20 depending on type / source.  And the light fixtures / ballasts if not integrated are usually not so expensive as well, e.g. under $100.

Anyway the bulbs produce a lot of UV as well as ozone so they will cause plastics and other sensitive surfaces to be bleached and degraded by the light and chemical action so you should use a non suscepible mount as I recommended (metal / ceramic parts exposed).  And you should use care that the light doesn't spill out onto any surface that will be degraded by it.  You can stick the thing into a box with a blower fan blowing air through it into a duct or something if you want.

I know UV light produces ozone - But they are quite expensive here in Europe.
They also have to be screened, so no one gets hurt.

I made these for a fish farm - The UV tubes are 130W, they can and will cause arc eyes (photokeratitis) in a minute.
The problem is, they are very expensive, fragile, and to create a housing for them, it's not the way to go i think.

 

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Re: Ozone generators
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2017, 08:31:28 pm »
You might want to use low pressure Hg vapor lamps, used to kill bacteria in pools. Some people and me use them to cheaply erase EPROMs. They generate lots of UV light at 254nm, which seems to be enough energy per photon do break down oxygen into ozone.
http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xuvc+lampe.TRS0&_nkw=uvc+lampe&_sacat=0
 

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Re: Ozone generators
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2017, 03:28:01 am »
I guess the ozone generators used in cars are based on the ceramic types. Most of them are made to the corner cutting Chinese safety standards, so some careful re-work is most likely needed.

https://www.banggood.com/220V-Ozone-Generator-10g-Double-Ceramic-Plate-Integrated-Sterilizer-Air-Ozonizer-p-1090728.html?rmmds=search


You will need UVC-tubes (less than 200nm) to convert oxygen into ozone, and as you say, the are not toys.

Ozone is extremely aggressive to most plastics and many electrical contacts, so they will wear out. I have worked with both UVC and high intensity xenon lamps, and both suffer from problems caused by ozone.
 

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Re: Ozone generators
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2017, 04:18:35 am »
I have one I built from one of those cheap Chinese kits. It consists of a couple of ceramic corona plates and a little HV power supply, it works pretty well.
 

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Re: Ozone generators
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2017, 02:41:40 pm »
The UV needed for EPROM erasers produces ozone so that is one source for the bulbs and complete units.
 

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Re: Ozone generators
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2017, 05:51:47 pm »
As I understand it, high frequency AC coronal discharge is the most effective method of producing ozone; UV fluorescent lamps with a quartz bulb are a distant second place.

Usually the coronal discharge occurs between two plates which have a thin dielectric coating so act like a lossy capacitor; anodized aluminum could probably be used for the electrodes in a pinch, but it is unlikely to stand up to long periods of use (ozone is very strong oxidizer, second only to fluorine).
 

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Re: Ozone generators
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2017, 06:31:14 pm »
As I understand it, high frequency AC coronal discharge is the most effective method of producing ozone; UV fluorescent lamps with a quartz bulb are a distant second place.


Yes. Ozone is normally considered an unwanted side effect of the UV light.
 

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Re: Ozone generators
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2017, 10:14:08 pm »
Watch out for mold in air conditioners. Also watch out for ozone killing mold and then large amounts of fungal toxins from that just killed mold suddenly entering environments people live in. Thats definitely what happens when ozone is used in a building setting to kill existing mold.
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Re: Ozone generators
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